New Civic Type R v M135i v A35 v S3 v Golf R: DRAG RACE
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- čas přidán 20. 01. 2023
- Thanks to Zain for helping to organise this race: / f1__german
We’ve got our hands on the new Honda Civic Type R, so of course, it’s time for an epic hot hatch drag race!
We’re putting the Type R up against its key competitors - the new Golf R 20 Year, the AMG A35, BMW M135i and Audi S3 to see which is quickest over the 1/4-mile. So let’s see how they compare.
Starting with the Golf R, it’s powered by a 2-litre turbocharged 4-cylinder engine that can deliver 333hp and 420Nm. It’s equipped with AWD and weighs in at 1,480kg. Next up it’s the S3, which has the same sized engine and can put down 310hp and 400Nm of torque. It’s also got AWD and tips the scales at 1,500kg.
The BMW also comes equipped with a 2-litre turbo 4-cylinder, which produces 306hp and 450Nm - the highest level of torque in this line-up. It’s heavier than both the Golf R and the S3, coming in at 1,525kg. However, it’s not the heaviest car here. That honour goes to the AMG A35, which weighs in at 1,555kg. It still packs a punch though, with its 2-litre turbo 4-cylinder engine being able to put down 306hp and 400Nm.
Then finally we have the Type R. Under the bonnet, you’ll find a (you guessed it…) 2-litre turbocharged 4-cylinder engine, that can put down 329hp and 420Nm. It may be the lightest car here, at 1,429kg, however, it’s also the only manual! What’s more, it only drives the front wheels!
Surely the Type R can’t snatch the win?! There’s only one way to find out for sure… LET’S RACE!
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What's the best car in this line-up?
All cars are insane! But I love the VW R 20 Year, AMG A35 and Honda Civic Type R!
AMG
VOTE: Hyundai Getz
banana car
A35
That A35 is as stock as Dom Torretto's dodge charger was.
LMAOOOOOO
🤣🤣🤣🤣😭
Definitely lmaooo
Kekw 😂
Pretty sure they come with a MASSIVE blower....
That A35 did a 12.5 run whereas the A45 in a previous video did a 12.1 with an extra 110 hp. Whoever brought that A35 is a joker.
Ye im pretty the owner was lying
@@abayamangali or he just bought it used and he doesn't know it's tuned.
My stage 1+ A35 did a 12.5 at Santapod when I had it so it’s definitely not stock😂
@@xIcarus227nah when you buy a car you will know if it’s tunned mate
@@jjtv2356lol
That “gee, I wonder why” from Yianni at 10:06 was priceless 😂😂😂
Cause Matt is never happy till he has some type of win ..lolol
to my ers, it sounded like a british rocky balboa
Ikr🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm an AMG man but I can't help but love the new TYPE-R. Sensible family hatchback with a hint of chav!
Family hatch? So you would take grandma to Sunday meeting in that thing?
@@krane15 no, I outgrew Sunday meets twenty years ago!
The Golf R is quick, but that A35 was soooo suspicious as being stock. Take that to the dyno please Mat! Great race Carwow!
Ye dosnt make sense
I'm sure the A35 is using a set of very sticky track-ready tires. Or, the Golf R's tires are worn out.
@@marinoint that would make no difference on a roll
100%
Stop crying is AMG power!!!
That a35 is 10000% tuned.
Yup and owned by a grown man in a hoodie. Nuff said
There’s a chance but it could be because of better tires , better driver , better conditions compared to the previous video , or maybe Mercedes just tuned the A35 themselves to have a bit more hp
Or running on better fuel. The 20 year golf r was the slowest r yet they’re getting slower?
At least 1 stage chip tune!😅
You can make all the excuses you want, but, better tyres, fuel etc etc isn't going to make almost a second difference in the quarter. It has to be fiddled with a little
I was looking at the Type R today as well! great minds...
really enjoyed this video.. how about a drag race comparison between Volkswagen Arteon R vs Audi S5 Sportback vs BMW M440i Gran Coupe vs Mercedes C43 AMG? that would be really interesting 😃
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That A35 is 0.9 seconds quicker than the one in the A45S vs A35 video and a full second quicker than the one in the S3 vs M135i vs A35 video. As others have pointed out, there's almost no chance it is stock.
the A35 driver said it was "pretty stock" - translation: "tuned AF"
13,4 was veeery bad time for A35. You can find 12,9s did by A35 limousine compeletly stock in Santa Pod. Maybe previous car tested by Carwow hasnt been broken-in yet or wasnt in Sport+ mode and switched off traction control. You cant compare two cars. They had also several different factory softwares. The best update was in Nov 2022
It would most probably be stage 1 tune.
@@skylinedrag I agree, however the time achieved here is still a half second faster.
I don't believe in any circumstance that a stock A35 would be able to beat that time, done on a prepped surface, by a full half second here on an unprepped surface.
However, that's just speculation. :)
@@sauravchhabra840 I could definitely see an A35 running a time like that with an ecu remap and perhaps some light mods.
After all, that M139 is a beast of an engine!
That A35 faster than a stock A45 😂
yes 😂
hahahahahah
no stock a 45 does 11.97 mat showed timing gear in a video before but they always say 12.01 in carwow videos
Lol
@@princeking1562thats still crazy for 120 hp less
Like to see lap times with the Civic and have a Megane RS up there too against those
Start using drone footage from a Birds Eye view,
non the less a great video as always!!! But can we see that A35 on a dyno 😅
That A35 surely is tuned, suspiciously fast one compared to others in these drag race videos.
to be honest 13.4 was done in damp/wet conditions , here is completely dry
Even in previous drag races, it is slower than the golf and Audi
@@deffoboy6934 yep. And also even slower than R32GT-S Type M.
@@alienzz51 yep. Skyline R32GT-S Type M also done better than Golf R actually.
@@alienzz51 You may be on to something. A35 hooks up really hard on launch, but the A45S has a better 4WD system still (can put more power to the rear). I could believe this sets them apart launching in the wet.
I've seen tuned a35's that were not able to do a quarter in 12.5 seconds that one has definitely had some work done.
The A35's drag time is also better than TVR TUSCAN SPEED 6.
when the A35 driver said "pretty stock" what he really meant was "tuned AF"
@@TheBreakfastLover yep cause stock does it in 13 seconds flat (1/4 mile)
No way that A35 was stock. It’s sucks when the comparisons are not on equal terms
why didn't he just opened the hood?
Matt you should compare all these hot batches with real real stats with bhp and weight. I know that you did it for the previous video however it be great if you did it with these cars.
Some a35's came out of the factory with 330bhp , tuners for mercs like MSL performance have found as much when tuning them.
Illegal tints oooops
Btw black and chrome goes pretty good together ,nice job.
legal until u get caught
@@xilnes7166 wait? Thats illegal.
@@lonewolf1300 what about white tinting?
@Purwanti Allan white? I've never seen it ,but on a black car it wouldn't look good ,neither on a white ,it will make it look like a van.
Thanks Honda for keeping the manual transmission alive. We appreciate it more than you think.
STI828, the Honda Civic Type R 2023 is still gold.
But the market in general doesn’t. In a few years you won’t see a manual.
Don’t appreciate the price tag!! My god...
@@thomjanson9644 it's expensive but it's also a pretty serious yet underestimated sports car made for lap times while the others are just buffed grocery getters (which i doesn't mean in a negative way)
Sad to know it might be the last in history of FW manual
Toyota GR Yaris' best time was 12.5sec as well when it won on your drag race against BMW e46 M3 and Mitsubishi Evo VI. 😛
Yeah! The GR Yaris is incredibly quick,.. similar or better performance and much lighter hence most probably more fun than these £41K+ cars here!
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The 1 series is the car I learned to drive in, don’t car about the looks because I love to drive it, one car you should definitely drive one day
This drag race reminds me the old Carwow drag races! We want more drag races like this one!
Anewa sudda..
For the common mortals (as we say in italy🤣).
@@slpunk8078 i bet so.
@@gabriele4142 for god sake. 😂
@@purwantiallan5089 🤣🤣
That A35 has been tuned not standard.
Yep. 460bhp when its fully tuned. It also has Weight Reduction Stage 2 applied.
Excellent drag races, but I want to see the Civic Type R up against other front wheel drive hot hatches - please make this happen 🙏 😀
New MANUAL TRANSMISSION hatches race...
What like the fk8 🤣 that won't happen
You mean the Toyota Corolla GR or the Golf GTI?
@krane15 both if carwow can make it happen. FWD Manuel transmission hot hatches 👍
@@krane15 whats a Corolla GR? You mean Yaris GT?
Please do a dyno drag race with that Mercedes A35. It should seriously not be that fast to the quarter mile.
A35 has much more power after break-in process. Mine has 336HP 100%stock
@@skylinedrag I drive the A35 myself and seriously it’s not quicker than an Golf R. It also shouldn’t be quicker than an Audi S3. I love my AMG, but it’s definitely not that that quick.
@@_carfreak_2812 You should go for software update in Mercedes service. My last update of gearbox and engine map in service area made car much faster in comfort mode and middle range has improved, but indeed Golf 8R seems to be even quicker above 150kmh
@@skylinedrag what’s your break in process? Is it simply not going above 4500 rpm for the first 5000km and not staying at the same rev for a prolonged period? Anything else?
@skylinedrag it's still not gonna do 12.5. I've tested mine many times. Stock, tune only, exhaust + tune. Even with perfect start, tyres and other conditions, you will not get a 12.5s quarter mile stock.
Matt, we need to know about that a35. If they are now that quick I’m going to buy one.
I love these kind of races
Let’s run the A35 on the dyno. Thumbs up to propose video 👍🏻
Or what about KTM X-BOW on the dyno?
@Purwanti Allan everytime I check car wow comments it's always you talking absolute nonsense 90% of the time
@@purwantiallan5089 everytime I check car wow comments it's always you talking absolute nonsense 90% of the time
He can detuned it for the drag race
How is everybody ignoring how good/fast did Sam shift from 6th gear to whatever gear in that roll race?
to third
I bet he didn’t. He was locked in 3rd, no one could check him 😅
@@f00lxpl i was also thinking that. but why would he need to be in 6th, can't he just cruise in 4th and then drop to 3rd for more power? Unless my knowledge about cars is terrible.
@@ismailkoya66 from 4th to 3rd would be a touch quicker, good point
Because comfy cruising is from highest gear low rpm, changing to third.
I’d love to see a sole review of that Golf R 20 year edition to see how it really compares to the mk8 R. Not so sure it’s any quicker????
It’d be great if you can put down the trap speed along with the quarter mile time for these races.
I was a bit shocked by just how fast that Golf R was. Definitely a serious daily. Great vid as always.
The road handling has always been a disadvantage on Golfs, taking curves is not their strong point
Yes dyno 340 hp :)
You should see what a tuned one does!
bad typeR😂
Daily to mechanics too
shout out to the editors for putting mat's face on those exhaust tips 😂 I hadn't laughed this hard in months
How many minutes in the film?
@@rustafwa8519 Just watch the fucking video
4:15
Watch this one and skip to 2:45 and thank me later lol
m.czcams.com/video/z5KhvllVUP4/video.html
Lol one of their signature inclusions
Put a Stage1 on all Cars and than Race again pls 👌🏻
Matt since there will be no more audi tt being made can u do a drag race with all off them from mk1 to mk3
Yo, I had an A35 just like the one in the vid, and no way it's that fast lol! Even with stage 1 tune, it could only do 12.7
Yeah yeah, I had a Golf just like that one here, and there is no way it would do 12.5, it could only do 13.5
It was even the same color, I promise
@@sashoxxx the Isuzu 117 Coupe done better than A35 tho.
@@sashoxxx what a fucking hater😂😂😂😂😂😂
My friend has stage 1 software and exhaust from MG motorsport. He did 12,32s. Car has 376hp. I need to measure mine stock car. It was dynoed and result was 336hp with milage 13000km
Perfect way to start off your Saturday Morning, cheers to you Matt and the Car wow team!
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@@doubleL_S Carwow nailed it yet again.
The Civic is the real fun and Track car! It will chew up the rest and triple on them in fun-factor! Just the brakes will give enough advantage on a twisty road…
Great video 🤗👍
8:46 I wanna see that too, hot hatch dyno competition. I loved that dyno video and i'd love to see that become a series, where you take like 4-5 comparable cars to the dyno and see what they put down.
FIAT 500F 1968 and FIAT 500 2009 say hi.
Love it, I prefer these type of drag races over supercar ones.
👌
You can watch supercar drag races with 0.25 speed, that should pretty nail your wishes 😅
Honda Civic Type-R has been totally disadvantaged with awd Germany cars because its the only one with manual transmission and a fwd. I ganuantee this, if that Honda has a awd, with a MT, the guys in Germany cars will be singing a different tune. So, Excellent job for Hondas for keeping the manual transmission alive.
This are all great fast cars but I can’t forget about the good old times (15 years ago) when we had hot hatches with really great engines like Alfa 147 GTA, VW R32, BMW 130i… just listening te new cars reving is depressing considering the money they cost
What an amazing drag race carwow, brings back the 2017 vibes when you did a similar drag race like this. So happy to see the new Civic Type - R in this race. Thank you!
FIAT 500F 1968 says hi.
Love the look of the thing. They forgot that with that price you get aloy of extras which are just absent from the other cars where you pay for everything.
That AMG A35 is definitely tuned! Mat should put that A35 in a dyno!
Repeating what mat says🤣🤔🤔🤔
A drone’s footage would really add to these drag race videos.
(Probably been suggested before.)
I'm still happy with the BMW 140i Xdrive after turning off the stabilization and traction control in sport plus mode and ideally with DTE 400Ps and 600Nm ... .
The golf r sounds better than the new c63s😂
Lollll
Akrapovič🔥😎
true
It Definitely doesn't drive better than a 63s 🤣
Literally
Golf r generation drag race from the mk4 right till the mk8 would be sick
Yes i like this idea!!
Problem is MKIV and MKV R32 are slower than many new vans & kombi
@@dasteknoviking There are a few FI MKIV & MKV R32s out there, even some MKIV with FI + DSG so they might be able to hold their own in the drag race😉
@@blue32s ya, only way to make a VR6 move is with boost. By today's standards even though the "power is similar" in terms of horses.. A GTI can wax either one bone stock.
Can you get the Mini Cooper s john cooper works 5 door in the hot hatch drag races
According to the dyno, the VAG vehicles scatter about 30-40hp upwards. Make Software at the #TypeR to 370hp then the whole thing looks different ;-)
No, not really. I´m a honda guy but for the money, the performance out of the box is underwhelming. Honda can´t keep up anymore. Same engine for 3 gens, but now, you can buy it in 70k+ integra 5dr chassis... :)
That’s amazing you guys got the new type R on the drag strip! Great content
That A35 is definitely tuned. The owner may genuinely think it’s standard but bought it previously tuned. I have part ex many cars in the past, that had been tuned and I’ve not told the dealers, so the next owner wouldn’t have any idea they are driving around in a tuned car.
The fully tuned A35 has 464bhp imo.
@@purwantiallan5089 don't talk about cars if you know nothing about them
Kind of a dick move,isn't it?
OOOORRRRR... He is lying.
@@dansan9858 “the owner may genuinely think it’s standard” implies that he could be lying or may not be to his knowledge. Or did you miss that part?
Missed drag races like this one a lot!
That doesn't make sense. There on nearly every day.. why would you miss them...
This bot needs reprogramming..
@@rasherbasher8203hot hatches u mongo. He said he misses drag races like this one, this race specifically has midrange hot hatches.
@@rasherbasher8203 but also actually cool.
@@purwantiallan5089 yes hot hatches are awesome
Were the mercedes from this and the video earlier the same year? Because they had some kind of problem with pump if I'm right, so it didn't go to the fullest in the previous video
Yo Matt I beg you end it once and for and do the m140i vs the rs3 vs the golf r
Man i really appreciate the way you speak i love your videos greetings from Spain
The owner of the A35 said "pretty stock" not fully or absolutely stock so could hint towards some sort of remap because there is no way that is stock. Also digging the look of the new Golf R. A £47k civic?? They can keep it.
a 48k golf, they can keep it
all the cars there are 50k and offer similar performance as you can see. the civic is the fastest around the track though
@@missileniall25 A meaningless stat though.
@@ngc-fo5te So being quickest around a track is meaningless stat for you?
Also, 47k for a civic is much, but 48 for a freaking GOLF is not?
You kids need to stop playing video games.
At least the civic has some character unlike the golf.
Still overpriced
If the A35 isn't tune, i am a banana... 😂
Yep you’re a banana because it’s an A35 😃
@@slamminx3 lol a stock a35 does a 1/4 in 13.4 13.5 sec not 12.5 sec that is a45 territory it is tuned
@@christohees9150 OP edited their original message 👍🏻
@@slamminx3 👍
Almost 6 minutes before the actual race. Cross eyed 🔔 end
That A35 was definitly tuned 😂😂 maybe just a remap but that was not stock 😂😂😂
Can we see an M-light drag race of all models please😁
Or Calsonic cars Drag Race?
Can't skip this one. Great videos man 🇿🇦
Please do all BMW M car drag race..love to see how it goes
tbf though to the civic, its was gona be hard to get leading edge regardless especially when gear changes are auto/computer on all the other cars versus the Civis manual gearbox.
I'd love to see more dyno test videos!
Always love a hot hatch race!
So Matt Watson, the 20th anniversary R is 2 tenths slower than the standard R from your original drag races. Is that the larger wheels inhibiting drag performance?
Hey Matt can you review a Suzuki Diaz?
A35 with stage 1 tune is around 350hp / 480nm witch looks very much like this one.
Golf R is such nice hot hatch, but almost 50k is madness!!
Noway near worth that much
High 30s makes sense
@@rg6982 totally agreed, especially considering that piss poor interior.
@@xIcarus227 The interior of the golf 8 R is pretty amazing for its class. Don't compare it to the gti's interior, that one was poor but also got some upgrades.
The FWD Civic is right up there in price so what do you expect?
@@CB-sh9zz you've got no idea what you're talking about.
The R has the exact same interior as the GTI with a few differently colored pieces of trim and more supportive seats. If it had a good interior, car journalists wouldn't have completely smashed it in their reviews.
Your 'for its class' argument is also amusing, as in this very video you can see an M135i with an infinitely better interior and which is also 8k cheaper. Yeah, it's slower but nowhere near as slow as the price difference would suggest.
Furthermore, for a few grand more you can get an M240i which is better than this Golf in every possible category bar none.
Take my advice and watch a few reviews before saying such nonsense. Or maybe you did, but you're having a hard time accepting the fact that the 8R's interior is just bad.
So glad it's Not Clickbait ... great line up
How could it be clickbait 😂
The way he used the civic's engine braking was awesome
A35 is definitely tuned
Agree, it cant be stock when looking at all other drag races I have seen with the A35.
BMW fanboys ain't having the Merc win. It would be okay if the bimmer won right?
@@bernard5260 haha exactly
@@bernard5260 talking like a true Merc fanboi.😂
Honestly don't care either way, both brands are moneypits.💀
@@bernard5260 Nothing about bmw fanboys about this. Golf should have won, everybody knows that. Golf is almost as fast as the a45s and now we are supposed to believe that a35 is almost as fast as the a45s too?
I’ve seen all these cars driving around , the only one to turn my head was the civic type R in red
Need to do this with the gla amg 45 for real.
that 135i definitely wasn't in sport+ during reving and gearbox seemed like comfort mode during roll? normally kicks down hard
Thank you, thank you, thank you......just the line up I was hoping to see and you guys delivered. Love the Civic.
lol even though it's a donkey?
@@chickenclips the dude behind the wheel is the donkey... Even with the FN2 you don't get that kind of drop in power when properly shifting from first to second gear...
@@redhnc even with the Stig behind the wheel it's still a donkey 🐴
@Chicken Lips you realize that civic would just smoke all these cars on a track ?
@Chicken Lips throw curves into the mix and that civic will take those other cars
13:08 You can here him going down the gears to improve braking.
Racing driver Sam is doing everything to win😂
Though, I think none of the other drivers shifted while braking.
And he braked bit before others... Look at Video he is 2-3m at line behind others
Sam knows how to do so.
Would that really help in a one time break test though? Modern car brakes are normally good enough to easily lock up. The only reason you would want to use engine braking or upgrade your brakes would be if you were afraid they would overheat. But, I’m not a big car guy so idk
The limiting factor in a brake test is grip so that's gonna make fuck all difference
Do you mean "hear"?
This Exhaust Sounds 😩😩😩
Im a honda fan and Type R owner but i feel they are making the cars a bit softer the newer they get! And for that price it should have close to 400bhp and AWD??
Yanii saying "slow" you can just feel the wealth exude from that statement
On the brakes test the driver in type R used engine brake too, u can hear the engine reving up. Smart driver 👌
Where is the kia ceed and the renult Megan?
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The exhuast test wih your windows up still makes me laugh months later 😂
race start in 5:35
The A35 could maybe have some sort of afterburner like Clarkson´s Starion had. But it should undress itself, though
Pretty sure Honda was thinking “we’re gonna build the fastest hatch around a circuit” lol.
Rolling races should be done over a full mile not half mile, and that 10mph accelaration race is nice too, keep doing those
I don't think they have that much room there.
Does an Audi not disable the soft limiter when turning off traction control and putting the car in neutral? I can do that in my seat ibiza, I'd imagine it also works in other VAG cars
As for Yanni at 10:07 saying “I wonder why” 🤣😂😂😂
That A35 is sooooo quick…I want one!! That exact same one actually
At Matt, when is the dyno test happening on that A35?
Mat please do FWD hothatches like new Hyundai i30N, Focus ST, Megane RS. There are a lot of facelifts with around 300 HP!
Yes please, though is the Focus ST not RWD?! 🤔😯😀🤘 ...
@@tanner1ie No, no focus ever was RWD. :)
@@RealLeskot Hmm, well the RS is AWD at least, maybe that has an RWD mode 🤔😯😀🤘
Love the drag races, but wondering if you guys can do a new race in which you can asses a cars great cornering ability :)
Ragemydream, what about Calsonic Cars Drag Race next?
Not these rats. They can't even do a proper launching. In the first corner they would be dead
Yeah, like the Edmunds u-turn races
@@Thirty-Ninety i'm thinking a small togue track like on best Motoring :)
@@ragemydream
Yeah, that would be cool. Not depending on times, just to see if the following car can close the gap or not
All great dailys to mechanics too, with the exception of the civic
The price you pay in UK for the Type R is crazy. They are 51K $Canadian out here. (When you could get one but it was possible to buy at MSRP if you were in the line up.)
Should do a race between new type r vs old type r vs new civic touring vs old civic touring 😀
You guys should do track battles. I would love to see this. Lap times!
😂 Track battle lego cars would last longer
Exactly, for these cars a drag race isn't the right way to test them. Lap of the top gear test track is what we need
You should include the Dyno session race to make things more interesting
That's the point with these drag races
There are so many factors apart from their stats
Tires for example can make a huge difference or the oil etc.
Beside only because the manufacturer claims that it has 310 hp doesn't mean your car has 310 hp
I know 3 people with stock A35 who tested their cars
With the results beeing 342 hp, 348 hp and the last 358hp
curiously all measured around 400 nm
really wish we had that A35 here in the US. Such a nice looking car
I wish we had the 45s. I went for the 220 just because I felt the 35 sedan was a consolation lol
Can’t you import it? I wish i had one but here in Argentina it costs double it’s price
@@matiaswetzel 25 year import law applies to all vehicles that we can import to US
I mean the a35 sedan and the cla35 are preeety similar