BAM! RV MANUFACTURER LOSES BIG IN COURT! WITH LEMON LAWYER RON BURDGE & GOOD NEWS
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- RV Lemon Lawyer Ron Burdge shares some good news for RVers with lemon RVs with the Wingman as well as a story that one manufacturer likely regrets!
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Good job you old goat wingman. ❤️
A good friend of mine,😮 who was a mechanic retired a couple years ago. He wanted to live in an R. V. He read all kinds of books and magazines about R. V's. He even went to a couple factories in Indiana Where they build RV's. What he learned was that they used the cheapest materials from the tires up.
Slide outs are a nice idea, but you have the same problems whether you buy a $100,000 RV or a $2 million Prevost. Vehicles and holes in the frame structure, cantilevering modules and motorized sliding components don't play well together.
I saw a video from a woman who bought a Thor small motor home for $125,000. She hasn’t been able to use it for a year because they can’t fix her slide. She was told her warranty doesn’t cover slides!! They are actually telling her it’s not a structural issue. One repair place showed her a ONE inch gap between the slide and the rollers! Then, they had cut out a portion of frame to install something and no one remembered to weld it back. It’s unbelievable.
THIS MAKES ME QUITE HAPPY I BUILT MY OWN RV BY CONVERTING AN BUS!!😊😊
Dodged a bullet, decided to skip a Covid model for a 08 dutchman motorhome. Low milage, stored inside, clean throughout. 60k miles now ,a few minor repairs, way ahead financially, like over $100,000. Thank you and Liz for the heads up
I was going to be a lawyer until I found out that the law is not interested in truth, it is only interested in winning. Admit your faults and deal fairly with people. But lawyers make that impossible too!
You nailed it ,attorneys are 80% of our problems!
I hired Ron Burdge in the 90s for my lemon BMW motorcycle. Very stressful time, but Ron and I persevered and won.
Settling (one week before trial) with BMW of North America meant, full refund on bike, magazine subscriptions and attorney fees.
I am very thankful for Ron Burdge’s commitment to the fight.
The manufacturers will strive to run out your clock. Never give up.Ultimately, my stack of paperwork and photos were important for the victory.
P.S. I found Ron after a lot of searching, best in his field.IMHO
I hope the days of RV manufacturers building defective products are coming to an end.
You should seriously share notes with Liz Amazing.With a collective voice, your message will be more effective. She’s not viewer competition. Great guest today. There is hope.
Yuk!!
I have bought 3 motorhomes in my life.All were used and in good condition. I expected I would have some updates, which I do my self . If buy good used units you save a lot of money.
It's about time the rv industry is held to responsibly. This has been going on a while.
I don’t want to go to court over an RV purchase. I just won’t buy one.
@@sgt.grinch3299 - First step in the process of purchasing an RV is to retain a lawyer, and make sure you factor in your future lawyer fee into your purchase price….. note to self - research if lawyer fees can be financed with the RV bank loan.
Economist: You get what you pay for.
Shady RV manufacturer: Hold my beer.
People make mistakes. But when flaws are DESIGNED there's gotta be accountability.
Worst industry in the country! So many people with little or no money being scammed is just disgusting! If you don't think this industry needs GOVERNMENT regulation, buy two....
and campgrounds are too expensive now. cheaper one around here is 750/month. some 1200/month. ridiculous for renting 30x70 piece of land
You shouldn't be buying things like rvs if you have little or no money.
@@chrisbuxton2778 You have a point. I think it should only be people with moderate and excessive funds that should be robbed blind. DUH!! Are you an RV salesman or in the industry?
@mzollnerable lmao. Everyone knows the industry yet they keep buying. Spending thousands of dollars on something they use 5 days a year. They are as asinine as the rv industry and you.
I don’t think government control is good but SOLID state lemon law is what is needed to hold manufacturers accountable for damages to consumers. RVs would be built right and make any repairs good.
Decided to keep my 87 bounder,still looks good and no problems. Wanted something new but absolutely not after looking at the prices and crappy quality.
Bounder, was a game changer in the industry. Great price, great storage and tank capacity’s , not fancy but very functional. Good quality with simple systems that worked. I’m not up on the new ones but you have a classic. We did see some rusting problems on the compartment floors that had to be repaired after many years, but very fixable. Certainly worth keeping up in my opinion.
My buddy ended up after losing his job and a nasty divorce so ended up living in one full time. What he found is in reality that these things are made poorly, not made to last and not made to be used. Things broke constantly and leaks were common. Getting things fixed was near impossible even when he tried to get it fixed out of pocket due to parts availability.
So true about slide-outs. RV Engineering is worse than pathetic. RV manufacturers do not care at all if things are reliable or even functional beyond the delivery date.
So glad I listened to this. Learned somethings that would apply to other than an RV. I have had reservations about NDAs and am now aware of Consumer Review Fairness Act. Thank you for doing this.
What you guys are talking about is exactly why my wife and I decided not to buy an RV. It just wasn’t worth a hassle, combine that with the problems with RV parks and the price of RV parks and fueled and all that we could stay in hotels cheaper.
Same with us.. We had always planned to buy an RV after retiring.. But, since the covid debacle, it is apparent that RV manufacturers are employing anyone that will show up to work.. Some of the things I have read about the quality of RVs at every price point, as well as the manufacturers and dealers not wanting to cover them, I will stay in short term rentals or hotels..
After a lifetime of tent camping we bought our first tow behind in 2016.
Since them we had 3 RVs, two pull behind and the current Motorhome.
The two pull behinds where Forest River Rockwoods so somewhat recognized as "top of the line" and they basically had no problems.
Our Motorhome is a Thor product and produced in 2021 so during Covid era.
Two things that saved us a lot of headache:
1 - Our dealer (where we bought all 3 of them) did a really deep evaluation and found 46 items then fixed before delivering the MH to us.
2 - Besides trusting our dealer, I now take the MH to Thor service facility instead the dealer, the reason is because is faster and when you are paying (we have extended warranty) things are different.
3 - I did/do almost all repairs I can do at home because many independent Rv repair guys are not any better than what you find working at dealers...
Lesson is:
1 - Have a good dealer
2 - Have an extended warranty
3 - Learn to work on it yourself
Even people with cash enough to buy Prevost have problems.
Alan, you and Ron are great people to help us consumers fight with some of these unscrupulous dealers when necessary! Thanks!
I currently own two class Bs that have had problems from the start. One was fixed under warranty but took several months. I diagnosed and fixed a water leak in a joint myself than let them rip out the fresh water tank. I love both my RVs and we’ve immensely enjoyed our trips to the national parks and boondocking in the forests.
I can’t believe that a person has to spend so much time for buying an RV in good faith and then spend so much time fighting the manufacturers for their poor quality products they sell to the consumers. There are thousands of RV’s out on the road with problems strictly because of low quality parts and quality control that these manufacturers don’t by choice do with they are being made.
Keep the videos coming, Alan. People need to hear these things!
Tent camping is a option we did with our kids,growning up. Way cheaper, and alot of fun. Now retired, live in a 2003 Winnebago and it's been rock solid. Buy older and used. But check oit with good inspection. Learn to work on them.
Agree 100%, older RVs are quality, better made, less problems. 🤗👍
Need to have our illustrious politicians haul the heads of these companies before congress and start investigating their business practices.
If you buy a RV the first thing you need to buy for it is a large tool box. If you don’t know how to use those tools, give some serious thought to using motel rooms.
Famous words - “I know a really good lawyer, an honest one, trust me”.
I thank God I bought my rv before the pandemic rush.
The great American yard ornament.
Don’t be afraid to rv….just buy used….do your homework….enjoy
We went with no slideout because I just did not want to deal with the almost inevitable issues. Slideouts are nice but unless you just must have the space, I think your a whole lot better without them. No mechanical slides, no wall intrusion, stronger walls and less site location issues.
Great video. I’ve always considered slide outs to just be something else to go wrong. In my search for a class C, I was adamant that it had to have no slides. Found one and, so far, it’s performing well. I was willing to give up the extra space the slide provides.
Well if you aren't ultra-wealthy and are a little bit of a do it yourselfer I think you'd be better off buying an older rig and spending some money to refit that one. I have a 24 yearl old Monico and I have spent a lot of money on it, some of it self-inflicted, but for all it's issues it has never been something that can't be fixed. All the equipment they installed back in those days was high quality stuff and you can get most of it off the shelf today. Also the cabinetry is very good. No particle board in this rig anywhere. None. It's built of steel, aluminum, fiberglass, plastic and plywood and they used plenty of screws. All fifty cabnet soors and drawer fronts and real walnut. All the plywood appears to marine grade.
A lot of these older rigs were built to last and with some investment and work they will still do the job quiet well. Also you won’t be spending money on lawyers and waiting 6 months to get a dealer to fix what they messed up to begin with. You fix it or find someone to fix it.
The only problem that irks me are the RV snobs that try to keep out everyone but the new rigs. That is a problem that needs to be fixed.
We had a 1994 Western RV fifth wheel, the thing was just a tank, never any real problems and it was heavily used. Sold it to friends who still have it.
We are on our 14th rv in 32 years. I can say that we've not really had any issues other than, what I would call, the standard higgeldy-piggeldy items. Our current is a 2020.5 Heartland Big Country 4011ERD. We've been all over the midwest, the west and spend winters deep into Mexico. My gripes are NOT Heartland specific, but mfg. wide. POOR insulation in the belly. The last 2, a Montana & the current, it just got to where I took off the belly pan and replaced the insulation with some good Corning pink R7 and re-installed the coroplast. The second are the poor mattresses. We just give them to a secondhand store and put in a quality Sealy. Last is, again, not Heartland specific but a supplier. The water valve made by Anderson. Ours is the newer style, brass. 9 months it fills the on board tank when set to 'city'. No 'jiggling' or turning will stop it. Being a retired plumber, I took it off. ZERO way to do ANY maintenance on it. Heartland sent a new one under warranty (always had good service from them). I installed it. 9 months later it again does the same thing. I call Anderson. " Oh you have to turn the valve one direction all the time" (ZERO notes in the booklet saying this) "but we'll send you another". Installed it. 6 months later it again does it, even always turning it one direction. This time, despite saying 5 YEAR WARRANTY they want me to PAY for a new one, PAY to send the old one back and IF they find it defective, I'd be reimbursed for the valve only. Well I just put my years of plumbing together and re-configured the whole shebang and I'll not give Anderson ANY good lip service. 2 years on my renovation with no trouble at all.
I hate government regulation but…it’s needed here
Glad to hear of some of these serious problems getting resolved, too bad it takes attorneys to resolve.
Thank you for ALL your videos chock full of great and helpful information!
Timely topic for us post covid RV owners.So far we are doing well with our purchased RV.
That's why I absolutely love Liz Amazing on youtube
Quite an eye-popping result, Alan, the manufacturer ends up paying multiple times what they would have had to pay if they had just agreed to mediate the case earlier! We have been very fortunate, we are on our third RV. The first two were junk. The current one is a Newmar Dutch Star, built in January of 2020, so just before the crappy Covid catastrophes were foisted upon unsuspecting RVers. This coach has been great, a few minor issues, but overall great build quality. I'm sure it helps that we are able to store it at home in a climate-controlled garage. Given that we live in Florida, I wouldn't want to spend as much on an RV that is exposed to the harsh weather conditions here 24/7, 365, although I suppose it's counterintuitive to think that way, since they are supposedly built for that purpose!
Thank you for posting
I have a 2000 34' dolphin motor home, this coach is rock solid! I wouldn't even think about a new one.
I have a 2003 Winnebago 36 ft motorhome, also solid.
2000 Four Winds Infinity- we looked at the dolphin and loved it, but I wasn’t ready to drive something that long!
As a former RV mechanic, I can tell you. An RV is peobabably the worst putchase a person could ever make.
Unionize the rv consumers.
Can enough owners of a brand ban together and do a class action suit?
The clock for RV warranty needs to only run when the RV is in usable condition.
If you buy an RV and something under warranty breaks the first month of use the warranty clock stops until it has been repaired to the customers satisfaction. If that takes 2 years so be it. The RV owner still has 11 more months of warranty. That would solve 95% of the problems in the RV industry.
I had slide out issues on that 20-4 Jayco Melbourne. In the mBR slide it was separating from the floor. In the drivers slide in lr/kitchen the rollers & flaps failed & I had to pay for that too. But I bought used so no warranty. I had an inspection but apparently wasn’t thorough enough. Still a great unit once repaired. Found issues before they got too big. Kinda miss the tan tank now . . . ;-)
Skip the first minute and half.
Great you tube info about anything on RV life. The wingman is a real friend of all us RVers and love his conservative views. 🇺🇸👍
Good info regarding how all lawsuits work. Consumer Review Act - Free Speech can't be taken away.
Does CZcams read the comments? I like your videos and find them informative? If CZcams does not read comments, I’d be happy to comment the word interesting or informative multiple times to help
I've been around awhile and I have seen a lot of changes in the RV industry. There were a lot of great campers in the 60s and 70s that were bought up or went bankrupt in the early to late 80s. Being a RV mechanic in those days you had to go the extra mile to replace parts with not the exact fit part that came from a different manufacturer. Then RVs became more complex with slide outs and second bathroom's and more electronics. But there are fewer manufacturers today in the industry than even in the 90s and early 2000s. The industry is just a very few huge companies manufacturing under different names and the consumer doesn't realize this when they buy their RV. Thank God for these platforms and others that help the general public ( when someone really wants to do research on what they are buying) to get into the coach and really look it over before purchasing it because poor slide mechanisms and poor fit and finish are not things that are easily fixed after a coach goes up and down the road.
Experience tells me to approach both rvs and lawyers with a high degree of skepticism.
Greedy people are a lot like a person with a gambling addiction. They don’t have the common sense to see that they are going to lose their money over poor decisions. They live in a fantasy world where they are not subject to any kind of logic. They are the lucky ones who always win. Until they lose everything.
Thanks Ron!! Thanks Alan!!
Thank you for doing this. The money for these defective RV's is tremendous.
There are some good RV companies and RV shops ( like a local Mom and pop RV center that has been in business for multiple generations ). Even our RV a 2016 Forest River Wildwood needs regular maintenance and a few odd part replacements. As an example the grate on our stovetop needs some grommets replaced. That was a wear item and cost less than $5 for a bag of grommets and about 5 minutes to fix it.
sorry i only speak english since I live in the USA
Thanks for the info
Thanks, honest info.
I wish I had some way of getting my money or at least a different unit. I was sold a unit with a leak that was not discovered until after the warranty. Long story but actual facts. Because I was unable to repair it I gave it to a guy who hunts and was able to fix it so it is at least being used instead in a junk yard. 20k was lost on that unit for me. Unreal how thee companies get away with this garbage.
Thank you Wingman.........
Manufacturers should stand behind their products so Ron wouldn’t have the law practice that he does. Stories like this keep me from purchasing an RV. Instead I just save the money and go on more vacations.
Great job!
Thanks Wingman👍
Maybe try looking into negotiating price based upon "AS IS" no warranty?
Then get full warranty coverage through your auto insurance company.
Thank you. 👋🙂.
I’ve commented on your channel many times. I never had any response from you or anyone else. Ergo, what I was commenting about was either not interesting or pertinent. That’s why I quit wasting my time. But in this case, since you asked, comment, comment, comment.
The only thing these unscrupulous dealers and manufacturers understand is the bottom line. Sue them until their eyes bleed.
Larry from Texas
Very informative 🎉
Great video
I'm in the market for a new travel trailer and I will not get one with a slide.
Good one!
Great Show
No way I'm buying a new RV. I have a 2010 and will keep it for several more years. Never had an issue.
Yeah, I have a 1994 Winnebago trailer I bought several years ago.
I updated it to look new.
I wouldn't trade it for a new one if the new one was free and I was offered $1000!
Great Video 👍👍👍
most of the sliders problems come from frames that are cut and not replaced the manufacturers forget to put a fuel pump in they cut the frame to do it they don't put the frame back the frame buckles the structure of the RV buckles and the slide out doesn't work...
I own a 2004 Holiday Rambler Alumascape 33 foot 5th Wheel that is very well made, however when it needs attention, I usually do it myself. My advice is, if you can't repair an RV yourself, stick with hotels and motels.
A five star hotel with room service and a concierge and air travel is much cheaper than paying $500/hr to an attorney to try to get that piece of junk RV running the way they market it.
LESSON TO BE LEARNED: Do NOT buy anything made after 2019!
I have a 1994 Winnebago trailer. I undated it to look like a new one. I repainted it grey and dark blue, undated it in and out.
If you parked it next to a new one, you might not see the difference.
But it's 1000 times better and more solid than the garbage made today.
I wouldn't trade it for a new one if the new one was free and you paid me $1000.
Sorry folks, NOT for sale!
If they get that "won't quit attitude" the lawyers can get together on the golf course and figure out how to bat it back and forth as long as possible to squeeze as much juice out of the lemon as they possibly can. The only thing they are going to take care of is their bank account.
Excellent news
Interesting info
We looked at new models before we bought ours two years ago, after hearing so many horror stories, I’m so glad we opted to but used for our first RV. We spent $10k and bought a 2000 Four Winds Infinity Class A in great shape with 53k miles on it. We have put a new roof on it, a new generator in it, re-sealed all the windows, put new shocks on it, and it’s a fantastic unit! I wouldn’t give this thing up for the world! It’s paid for, is reliable, and we don’t even have any slides on it for them to go bad. They can take these expensive newer units and shove them! If we want to upgrade some things- we do it as we go along!
That's what we did and I'm glad we took that route. Bought a 2000 Monaco about 7 years ago and fixed a lot of stuff over the years. I like this old rig just the way it is. Of course we aren't the kind of folks who need to turn heads with something everyone knows cost a half a million bucks or more and can handle a lot of repairs myself.
Most r vs are housing built below code and then subject things that structures aren’t normally exposed to .
I’m so glad that some court system somewhere has finally done the right thing!
NO RV or Motor home for me. My momma once said said "Lie to me once shame on YOU, Lie to me twice shame on me" No RV for me! I plan to keep MY money.
Until the DOT or other government department starts regulating the Rv industry, there will always be problems in faulty products. Maybe an RVA = Recreation Vehicle Adminstration.
PLEASE. We don't need another government agency. Better warranty laws will do just fine
Big government, no thanks
@@michaelshepard9409 Big Government safety regulations probably saves your life every day.
@@jakemanchester5139 I had a warranty issue and a local dealer, who sold the same unit as mine would not do the work because I did not buy unit from them. Yes we need better government regulations.
Closed on a 2024 Flair 28 an August 8, 2024 from Great American Huntsville. It's been sent back to Ford in Chattanooga two times for an AC issue and GARV owed me at closing $1065. for an add on I decided against. It's June 19, and still haven't been able to use the coach and no check. This will not help the RV business and its deadened my interest in RVing...
Like a washing machine made to last 5-6 years , mine went in Canada you can only get one year warranty, if you live in USA you can get 3-4 years says so in the manual Samsung , I bought a new Maytag washer they give one year warranty, then you can purchase extra 4 years that kicks in after a year , basically you pay for warranty the manufacturer should have on there products
Here is my comment for the algorithm! 👍😎
Love your shirt this episode !
Why not list the rv brands you would buy. Example……if I had a hundred k and wanted to by a travel trailer or a motor home small enough to get into federal & state parks it would be x, y or z. And then why. It isn’t always about price it’s also about quality.
Airstream and check it out first. RV Salesmen are same as Car Salesmen as same as politicians(both parties) . Will promise the moon you end up with a rock.
@@allamar9083 What animal smiles?: Sharks, Alligators, Crocodiles, Snakes, and RV SALESMEN.
About time!
I have a 2011 KZ 242RKS TT zero issues except maintenance as it should be, rock solid, live in it 4 mts of the year. Aint pretty like the new ones but im ok with that.
Mine is older than yours! And I agree with you! I’ll take old Golden Girls interior styling over shoddy construction any day!
I’ve never had a problem with slides there’s three on mine, I did have problems with jacks , there was a recall on the goose neck on mime the dealer would not touch it ,different dealer referred me to a rv repair in the USA that I took it to , I’m in Canada
I canceled a 2022 I order. Lost my deposit of $2k. But I don’t have any regrets
Yeah, you undoubtedly saved way more than the $2k you forfeited.
Talk to any reputable independent RV repair/parts business and they will tell you slides are the biggest and most numerous repair item on an RV. They will also tell you there are more slide repairs than all other big buck repairs combined.
excelent job
Bought a 2021 grand design 22 mile and love it I’ve had a couple issues and grand design have been great, my dealer General RV in Birch run Michigan they are useless.