GINGER BAKER at Ludwig drum clinic North Hollywood - June 22, 1991 - also Bun E. Carlos, Hunt Sales
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- This Ludwig drum clinic in North Hollywood featured guest appearances by Ginger Baker (Cream), Bun E. Carlos (Cheap Trick), and Hunt Sales (Iggy Pop, David Bowie). Also, not in the video, the drummer from a band called Salty Dog. Ginger Baker played drum solos, answered questions from the audience, and jammed with a bass player named Michael. Recording was not allowed, so my filming was surreptitious.
0:00:00 - intro
0:00:14 - Bun E. Carlos (Cheap Trick)
0:00:27 - Hunt Sales (Iggy Pop, David Bowie)
0:00:43 - drummers trying out drums
0:01:12 - Bun E. Carlos drum solo
0:02:18 - Bun E. Carlos talks
0:02:43 - Ginger Baker sets up drums
0:06:41 - Ginger talks about drums
0:07:56 - drum solo #1
0:09:44 - drum solo #2
0:10:59 - drum solo #3
0:12:48 - drum solo #4
0:17:39 - Q&A
0:26:39 - examples of Baby Dodds drumming style
0:28:05 - Q&A continued
0:44:59 - drum solo #5
0:52:44 - jam with bass player Michael
1:04:08 - end of jam / exit
1:05:03 - credits
VIDEOGRAPHY / EDITING: ELECTRIC EARL
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The drummer who brought unbelievable polyrhythms AND independence to rock drumming, despite his disdain for much of the popular music genre. Ginger always said (correctly), "It's not how fast you play. It's what you say."
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agree 100% with every word. Ginger is a fucking legend, but somehow he still doesn't get enough credit for the things you mentioned
Only Danny Carey, is his worthy successor.
I would venture so far as to say its what you PLAY
@@ochocabra1542 It's because Ginger Baker was an asshole.
Ginger pursued other horizons in Africa. He learned new techniques over there. He is in a category all his own.
Ginger Baker; Bun E Carlos; Hunt Sales - some serious heavies in that room
New respect.. He’s better than I thought he was
I don't think I've commented yet but man I got to say sincerely thank you very much for you're surreptitious filming. My God I have watched this over 12 times and I can only watch this cause you preserved it!. And of course big thanks to the man Mr. Peter Edward Ginger Baker
Same here ! I've watched this great powerhouse drummer give this outstanding performance over n over!!
@@danielcruz8347 I especially love this period of his life. He had just got married, was back in the music business and playing better than ever. It really shows through his supersonic playing and the occasional big grin xD. Nah but he did the MI Vault and Budapest gig then. He was so relaxed and its some of the best playing I ever heard Ginger do
@@Beniscool950 Yes, I always liked Mr. Ginger Baker since frist time I heard them Spectacular drums!! Thank you for replying & sharing!!
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Ginger is one of the best
Thanks so much for this gem..
This jam with Michael the bassist, it was so brilliant😊
That’s 13 year old me in the red t-shirt at 0:12 seconds 😁
Cool!!! Have good one today!!
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Saw him a few times in late 80's then in the 90's with Masters of realty. What he does on the drums in impossible at times and it sounds amazing
I saw a Ginger Baker drum clinic in Cleveland at Midwest Music, it was called by Pearl and Brookpark roads next to Peaches record store. It was just him, no other drummers and I got to shake hands and get autograph. I think it was 1989 or 90. I remember taking autograph to school the next day, and apart from a couple of knowledgeable dudes, the general consensus was "How can you listen to all that old crap?"
you tube is full of stuff ginger did in these two years mike , he was great , not long clean of heroin .
Reply to Your "Dudes": Any modern drummer, particularly fusion drummers, is indebted to Ginger Baker, for it was he who first demonstrated the innumerable ways that jazz/African styles of drumming can be applied to popular music. It was Ginger who had the musical audacity to continually change the syncopation of virtually every rhythm he played. For example, instead of playing 4/4 time with the accents on two (2) and four (4), he frequently accented beats one (1) and three (3). Simple but *groundbreaking* in the world of Rock... It's the reason that Cream's "Sunshine of Your Love" became one of the most popular songs of the late '60s. African syncopation applied to Anglo-Saxon, common-time popular music! Fantastic stuff for serious drummers. Ginger's four-way independence and masterful use of *all* the drum rudiments? Again, groundbreaking. So, he certainly belongs in the pantheon of the world's great drummers.
(Oh, it's also important to remember that Ginger played many *rudiments* on his bass drums, which created a dialogue between his hands and his feet. Ginger credited Count Bassie and the great, great drummer Louis Bellson as musicians who had a tremendous influence on his mastery of double-bass drumming.) And there, in small part, you have it, "Dudes". Don't you dare to put down Ginger Baker, who acquitted himself quite well in his drum battles with two of his jazz drummer heroes: Art
Blakey and Elvin Jones. They were Ginger's "Drum Uncles", as he expressed his relationship and respect for this pair of extraordinary drummers
And they admired Ginger's drumming. Nothing more needs to be said.
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Listen, I’m a ginger maker fan for 30 or 40 years, but I’m also a drummer he’s falling apart around 54 minutes. And for him to say that Bonham couldn’t swing a lick and he was a way better drummer than Bonham was pretty embarrassing. If you were to give John Bonham a snare drum and ginger snare drum and they had a competition Bonham would’ve KILKED. Again, I am a ginger fan I love what he did with cream and thereafter. I loved the footage that I’ve seen him in the early 70s playing double bass drum in a really advanced way, but he could not really hang with with his jazz heroes. Let’s get that straight if you’re serious swinging jazz dude if you’re really listened to bop and you can play it you cannot say that Ginger could hang with Elvin Jones or Tony Williams Max roach, but Mitch Mitchell could! And I was at Sam Ash maybe seven or eight years ago just outside of Philadelphia picking up something and Ginger son was doing a drum clinic and I was just lucky enough to be there and he could play circles around his father his father couldn’t swing didn’t have the four-way independence that his son has. I saw Kofi 20 feet from me and a side view plan a drum clinic for close to an hour the guy had unbelievable for Rite independence was playing advanced poly rhythms that his dad never dreamed of being able to play. And he was way nicer dude. Could not have been a nicer guy!
Mr Ginger Baker fearless drummer!!
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I believe that music store is a vape store now. I was lucky enough to see Ginger play at the Music Box in Cleveland in 2015. He was in bad shape physically, but played well - all things considered. I would have liked to see him play with Masters of Reality. I really liked that record he played on with that band.
I have to say those Ludwigs Baker is playing sound awesome. "The drum kit is more American than apple pie, because we were having that in England." I love his rants on that. He's wrong about the Japanese kits but I still love it when he goes off on this topic.
This is a GEM ! TY !
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that jam at the end was really cool :)
Love ❤️ Ginger.
Me too!! 💐💙🥁🙏🏼💐
Baker - Total voodoo artist. Trance inducing stuff.
For me, it wasn't so much a trance that he induced, more like drowsiness. He was a powerfully boring player.
@@cardinalRG Great drummer, "powerfully boring" comment.
@@guitar1067 --While I appreciate that you were bored by his comment, whatever that was, I have an opinion only about his playing.
sorry I did not see this before. I loved it. As Eric Clapton said after Ginger's death "he had the gift of time".
AHHHHHHHHHHH amazing
kinda funny how the segment of drummers trying out kits, is basically what ginger was talking about when he said that one beat is better than twenty. those drummers stink!
Bun E. Carlos was just informally messing about on the kit and that is no way indicative of his playing in Cheap Trick which is powerful and tasteful.
@@drummer78 Ok, what’s your point? he wasn’t the only one being filmed nor did I single him out.
@@kapalin846 My point is that your comment seems like it came from someone who has never sat behind a drum kit because if you did, you would know that occasionally you just mess about to “try em out”. You aren’t always making it where you are “trying say something” every single time behind the kit. Bun E Carlos and the other drummers were just messing about the kits to feel them out. Anyway, that’s my point…and that’s that.
@@drummer78 bro ive played the drums for 22 years and have worked in drum shops and as an instructor. they are all playing the same ole cliche double bass chops. not that hard to spot. peace!!
Carlos, seamless breaking tempo at the end of "Dream Police" is extraordinary. Give that a listen. Try that yourself, it's not easy.
Thanks Ginger for explaining the 8/8 with the BD and then 12 with the hands over it here.
WTF! He is full of shit
Ginger seemed in a somewhat good mood here
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After this lol I really need to hear some Phil Rudd
Bun E Carlos is one of these people whose name is used to sell very average drums at stupid prices to mugs who think it actually matters.
Fact.
I see the Neil Peart add at 4:20
10:00 sounds like 2 good drummers playing in complementary unison.
Filthy isn't it?
Yeah but at 54 minutes he’s struggling it’s pretty horrible. And I’m a ginger Baker fan
Theres only one proper drummer here and his name is Peter, just tuning the drums he soars above the others!
16:29 oh yeah double bass? Have a bit of this.
yea, played against the ride pattern!!
The 1990’s were not a good time for Ludwig Drums. I have to disagree with Ginger regarding Japanese drums. Yamaha, Tama and Pearl were making great drums then and continue to do so.
Remember when drum solos made sense and were rythmic? Now it’s blast beats and double pedal kicking that makes no sense.
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Was the camera man scared of Ginger? Great shots of Bun E Carlos playing and not so great of Ginger.
Apparently you missed the part that said: "Recording was not allowed, so my filming was surreptitious."
Beware of Mr. Baker!
Iwould bet the drums are birch ,just by that sound , Ihave looked and ludwig were doing birch at this time
Ginger looking like David Koresh’s angry uncle…
Spot on!!
What kind of psycho brings a baby to something like this???
Who brought the baby? I missed that part
@@williamperri3437At the very beginning.
How does a human being do this???
A lot of this is very elementary. Get advanced technique for the modern Drummer and the new breed and go through it
They sound like they have GB syndrome that cause Ginger was the MAN!!!!
Hope that baby has ear plugs😢
I never found Baker's drumming that interesting. There are many and more interesting drummers around than Baker. Dave Weckl. Steve Gadd. Joe Morello. Max Roach, Billy Cobham, Simon Phillips, Will Chalhoun, Carter Beauford. Steve Jordan to name a few.
His appeal is lost on me too. For me, Cream would have been a better band with another drummer.
Man are you 2 guys in the minority!However you are entitled to your opinion as anyone else is.Maybe you are right and Micky Dolenz should have been in Cream instead of the Monkees!
@@ronzant927 --Yes, it’s all personal taste, and your preference for Mickey Dolenz is quite an interesting example of that.
Whatever floats your boat
Right?I thought so since a record company had to provide lessons so THEY could record and actually PLAY live.Just wanted to clear the air that the Mickey Dolenz thing was pure sarcasm and that he was actually a real cool guy.Check out the pics he took at Mama Cass Elliots ranch in '69.Clapton,Crosby,and other big names all in attendance and Mickey clicking and filming away!According to Jack Bruce and Clapton themselves Cream worked because of the talent within and personally I couldn't see anyone of them being replaced or they would have perhaps done so.All the chips landed perfectly and the rest is proverbial history and like all other God given things as meant to be.Cheers