The True Nature & Purpose of the Others! - Game of Thrones Season 8 (End Game Theory)

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  • Welcome back for another A Song of Ice and Fire and Game of Thrones Season 8 End Game Theory video. Today I will be discussing the true nature and purpose of the Others. This is a theory that was sent to me via email just a few days ago. It was uploaded to Reddit over 4 years ago, and it was also given two gold awards. Since this was such a popular theory, I am wondering how people feel about it today. We are getting very close to finding out how Game of Thrones will come to an end. Does this theory about the White Walkers and the Night King still hold up? Why did the Others come back? What do the Others want? What is the Night King's plan, and end game? What role does Jon Snow have in the end game? Let me know how you feel about all of this down below. Thanks for watching the video!
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  • @u2girlz789
    @u2girlz789 Před 5 lety +75

    You have the best channel for Thrones! I’ve tried others and I always come back to you! Keep it up!

  • @Ariastyr
    @Ariastyr Před 5 lety +68

    "A villain is a hero of the other side." - George R.R. Martin

    • @jarroddavis7485
      @jarroddavis7485 Před 3 lety +2

      Im pretty sure aaron said that to michonne on thes walking dead as well

    • @knightr0685
      @knightr0685 Před rokem

      @@jarroddavis7485 The walking dead is shite

  • @amoghskulkarni
    @amoghskulkarni Před 5 lety +33

    Theories shattering just like the night king did

  • @Filippo6264
    @Filippo6264 Před 5 lety +268

    Your intro with Littlefinger's phrase gives me goosebumps every time. I love it, i need it

    • @yasarkhan672
      @yasarkhan672 Před 5 lety +3

      Same here

    • @fpsdovah2572
      @fpsdovah2572 Před 5 lety +3

      New ringtone XD

    • @ShinOSRS
      @ShinOSRS Před 5 lety +3

      Yup, same. It's so epic x_x.

    • @tgolobic94
      @tgolobic94 Před 5 lety +5

      I whisper it along 😂

    • @Ariastyr
      @Ariastyr Před 5 lety +1

      Same here. I love his videos, but I admit that opening is the best part, lol.

  • @youknowthosedudes2583
    @youknowthosedudes2583 Před 5 lety +43

    Now I'm actually pissed off that the show didn't do this justice

  • @HOTDNews
    @HOTDNews Před 5 lety +255

    Plot Twist
    The Night King: Just wants to have some living friends, as everyone just runs away
    Cersei Lannister: Sets up an orphanage

    • @VivekCNair-jy4ct
      @VivekCNair-jy4ct Před 5 lety +9

      Makes sense for The Night King to desire some human friends.
      But for Cersei to set up an orphanage for even her children 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.

    • @masonredeemed9937
      @masonredeemed9937 Před 5 lety +4

      Game Of Thrones can I make a suggestion. Since you do so well with your breakdown videos; how about before season 8 you break down each season either all at once or episode by episode?

    • @miagodson985
      @miagodson985 Před 5 lety +1

      he could chill the beer I don't see any ice machines in esteros

    • @cjwrench07
      @cjwrench07 Před 5 lety +3

      Well if his buddies didn’t try eat everyone, who stayed, he could have some.
      It’s like that one bad friend who tries to fight everyone when he’s drunk. You can’t take that fool to any new party without trouble.

    • @cjwrench07
      @cjwrench07 Před 5 lety +1

      Or, he could just have a kink for brown hair/eyes, but all the northern girl’s hair turn white, and eyes turn blue, when he changes them.

  • @melissablackwood
    @melissablackwood Před 5 lety +86

    Did you ever wish that Jon would've just shouted "What do you want?" at the Night King during any of their epic tv staredowns? The NK didn't have to answer, of course. But dammit, at least ask the guy, instead of standing there brooding like a dumbass. "You don't understand." What, Jon? What don't we understand?

    • @bonnafide2606
      @bonnafide2606 Před 5 lety +13

      The CZcamsr GrayArea, once in a discussion with Joe the Magician, about the epic staredown at Hardhome, described it as "flexing and throwing up gang signs." I about wet myself 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @melissablackwood
      @melissablackwood Před 5 lety +1

      @@bonnafide2606 I remember that! It was hilarious.

    • @bethaofhouseblackwood234
      @bethaofhouseblackwood234 Před 5 lety +5

      It's so good to find a fellow member of house blackwood. The biggest upset was no house blackwood on the show.

    • @melissablackwood
      @melissablackwood Před 5 lety +3

      @@bethaofhouseblackwood234 Not by name, but definitely by blood... Dany, Jon, Bloodraven, the 3 Baratheon brothers, Shireen, & Gendry. Not too shabby! :)

    • @thomasspotzl4240
      @thomasspotzl4240 Před 5 lety +4

      That's because Jon Snow knows nothing.

  • @kidscareerpublicschoolkapr7552

    Night king wants to go into westrois to know podricks secrets 🙃🙃🙃🙃

    • @robertdapoppa2778
      @robertdapoppa2778 Před 5 lety +9

      if anyone learns it PLESAS pass it on God know we need it

    • @theknightking2739
      @theknightking2739 Před 5 lety +12

      Take time to explore your woman an you'll have the power podrick has

    • @cjwrench07
      @cjwrench07 Před 5 lety +10

      Pod’s secret is simple. He’s actually half-octopus.

    • @AndrewK23777
      @AndrewK23777 Před 5 lety +7

      Pod's secrets are that Little Finger probably wanted to get information out of Podrick so he had the women flatter him way over the top and were never going to charge him in the hopes to get Pod to talk or at least lower his guard with questions , especially given the role Pod occupies and important characters he is often around.

    • @kidscareerpublicschoolkapr7552
      @kidscareerpublicschoolkapr7552 Před 5 lety

      @@AndrewK23777 Thanks god now realm is safe from all danger

  • @indigopatricia3871
    @indigopatricia3871 Před 5 lety +10

    I really like this theory, it ties in to the cave etchings @ Dragon Stone & some of Old Nan’s stories. Not much has been said about the comet at the beginning of the story, which seems to set off a flurry of awareness of ‘something coming’ from many in Essos & Westeros.

  • @SistaCassie
    @SistaCassie Před 5 lety +36

    When you look at the Night's King(Night King) you can see he's not evil, he is pissed off. Everytime I see him, I'm like, "who hurt you?"

    • @HopeUnquenchable
      @HopeUnquenchable Před 5 lety +7

      The children of the forest?

    • @MylaCruz11
      @MylaCruz11 Před 4 lety

      Starks

    • @treasurequest1271
      @treasurequest1271 Před 3 lety

      Wildlings?

    • @wadewilson8011
      @wadewilson8011 Před rokem

      They literally show who hurt him in the show. I know it's a "euphemism" but still. 🙄

    • @jjh2456
      @jjh2456 Před rokem

      Yeah…I always look at how he avoided a 1v1 match against Jon. He specifically did not want to kill him. So it tells me there is more to him than what we are told.

  • @CZ-dg7te
    @CZ-dg7te Před 5 lety +68

    I agree and offer a slight variation on the pact/conditions... As we get closer to the end I can't help but thinking that the "Bittersweet" ending will be kind of the like the Pirates of the Caribbean series where they "win" but Will Turner ends up having to take the place of Davy Jones and escort souls to the "Other" side, even though he gets Elizabeth Swann as his wife he can't be with her and their son. I think the pact involved conditions "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell," the natural dead had to be given to the Weirwoods, as well as some special expiration condition (AA, PTWP, LH etc., Comet, Special Blood) .The North Remembers but they forgot the pact and stopped offering their dead to the weirwoods. The Others were stirring before the dragons, so something else is the trigger. I believe they were triggered by Jon's birth, and maybe they're here to collect the dead they were owed (or are just twisted from their original purpose like Davy Jones was too) and a new King. Dany isn't evil either she is there to aid his transition and restore the balance, she will need to stab John with dragon glass to bring the Dawn, kind of like Elizabeth cutting out Will's heart so he can be the new immortal Davy Jones. Lightbringer can be their child, or some physical entity symbolic of the pact. So even though Jon is the heir of Rhaegar, the inheritor to Winterfell per Robb's will, wed to Danaerys and (maybe has a son), he will just barely get to have everything he ever wished for and then have to give it all up for the pact. How's that for Bittersweet?

    • @lushswiat-powell8508
      @lushswiat-powell8508 Před 5 lety +6

      Claire Dishong i like the theory that Jon's birth triggers the awakening. remember Crasta has given 99 sons to the others so they have been awake for some nice little chuck of time. As far as the dragons birth goes, remember what the house of the undying taught us... thier magic was reborn with the dragons and is strongest when they were near.

    • @C0rnvillain
      @C0rnvillain Před 5 lety +3

      Like in world of Warcraft "there must always be a lich King"

    • @Galahad54
      @Galahad54 Před 5 lety +2

      Arya remembers. The North remembers. Winter came for the Freys, because they did not keep a pact. Arya was not born to be a queen. Arya respects the pact. Jon has been with his aunt. J + A = the pact

    • @EmmaLPeel
      @EmmaLPeel Před 5 lety +3

      Jon’s birth makes much more sense. If the dragons were the trigger, this would’ve all jumped off when Aegon conquered Westeros. It’s not like Daenerys dragons are the first in Westeros and she’s not even using them to reek havoc across the 7 kingdoms the way Aegon did. I totally believe it is time for the agreed upon terms of the pact to met. That’s why the symbols from the cave on Dragonstone keep emerging, the funeral pyre Dany walked into, the symbols arranged by the Others out of body parts, the spiral the Dothraki made when they surrounded Dany on horseback. The symbols are all markers to this future event approaching. It’s completely a Davy Jones/Will Turner thing.

  • @AlexBruegl
    @AlexBruegl Před 5 lety +5

    Not gonna lie, I check CZcams every day hoping you have a new video up. There are a lot of channels put there like yours, but you happen to be one of easiest ones to listen to and always have the best content!

  • @MaeMaeTube
    @MaeMaeTube Před 5 lety +64

    You sir are a blessing to the public. Only 4 more months my friend and the final farewell to the show begins and the new long night for the books begins.
    Thank you T.T.

    • @cjwrench07
      @cjwrench07 Před 5 lety +4

      Keegan Devlin I cant wait for his content for the Prequels series.

    • @el34glo59
      @el34glo59 Před 5 lety

      I thought it was 3 months

    • @Jack-S
      @Jack-S Před 5 lety

      6 days now my friend

    • @FastNCurious88
      @FastNCurious88 Před 5 lety

      I hope you both decided to keep living 😬😬

  • @cameronschmitt649
    @cameronschmitt649 Před 5 lety +22

    According to an episode in 7, they are social. They cry for help. They react to insult (the hound's rock throw).

    • @pontius2000
      @pontius2000 Před 5 lety

      cameron schmitt...the wight cried for help, and the wight responded to getting hit by the rock. The White Walkers haven’t done anything but kill and create more wights

    • @possemis
      @possemis Před 5 lety +1

      @@pontius2000 nah the white walkers are not just killing machines, otherwise they would not wear black uniforms (the night king and his 12 officers), have a sigil or leave messages. i also think the last hero from the first long night is probably the current night king. during the episode in which crasters baby is turned into a WW, you can clearly see 12 officer WW in the background. the last hero also had 12 companions during the first long night. and we know that the night king and white walkers during the first long night did not wear uniforms and the first night king had a beard. this is clearly seen when jon shows the dragonglass cave and drawings to dany in season 7. i think the last hero went to the children to ask for help and there they made him the second night king, the second night king killed the first and took the army of the dead back north as part of the agreement made between the first men and the second night king/last hero with his 12 companions also becoming white walkers.

  • @LincyMcGabby
    @LincyMcGabby Před 5 lety +38

    The notification that always brightens my day😃🔥👌

  • @kimjranwilhelmsen860
    @kimjranwilhelmsen860 Před 5 lety +156

    Ive read the books all over again. And the night king missed one big part. A dragon is not a slave...

    • @Matthew-cp2eg
      @Matthew-cp2eg Před 5 lety +27

      The dead do not care.

    • @helloyoutubers4959
      @helloyoutubers4959 Před 5 lety +10

      @@Matthew-cp2eg Viserion is a white walker dragon, not a white. He has free will

    • @Matthew-cp2eg
      @Matthew-cp2eg Před 5 lety +16

      @@helloyoutubers4959 there is no support for your statement.

    • @Devin_Stromgren
      @Devin_Stromgren Před 5 lety +21

      The non sentient undead are called wights, not whites.

    • @kooldudematt1
      @kooldudematt1 Před 5 lety +3

      @@Matthew-cp2eg Actually there is an entire Talking Thrones video on it, soooo yeah.

  • @Proppur_
    @Proppur_ Před 5 lety +3

    This is one of the best theories I’ve heard by far. Thanks for sharing it, and a thank you to the OP! Great food for thought. Especially considering Martin’s quote about Tolkien, and essentially saying that GoT won’t be another simple good vs evil story, and also considering Martin has said the ending will be bittersweet. A+ theory here

  • @sl9wdive
    @sl9wdive Před 5 lety

    You have the best channel for Thrones! I've tried others and i always come back to you! Keep it up!

  • @Trucker0308
    @Trucker0308 Před 5 lety

    Excellent job doing this research Dan!

  • @themutualfriend5286
    @themutualfriend5286 Před 5 lety +133

    I gotta say this theory makes a lot of sense.

    • @helloyoutubers4959
      @helloyoutubers4959 Před 5 lety +14

      Does it?, So why didn't the WW attack Aegon Targaryen 300 years earlier?, It makes zero sense.

    • @DC-rm5lo
      @DC-rm5lo Před 5 lety +7

      The Mutual Friend it doesn’t Rhaegar believed he was Azor Ahai that’s why he spent so much time training he wanted 3 children only was able to get 2 he married Lyanna and had Aegon aka Jon I believe that he’s Azor Ahai and he will fall in love with Khalessi and have to kill her in order to stop the Night King or the other way around either way one of them will NOT survive the end of this story I also believe that Bran will warg into the Ice Dragon and Jon or Dany will ride the other dragons and they will build a wall of dragon glass keeping the walkers out BOOM that’s my theory remember this

    • @fred9532
      @fred9532 Před 5 lety

      @@DC-rm5lo Technically, if they rebuilt the wall over the magic, while the Dead are on the other side, they should cease t exist ? It would not hve to be 700 feet tall. Just standing in full length.

    • @timkratz742
      @timkratz742 Před 5 lety +1

      @@helloyoutubers4959 Maybe they need a long enough winter?

    • @elizajane691
      @elizajane691 Před 5 lety

      Hello CZcamsrs come on dude. Dragons had never been on Westeros before . Plus it not like they messed with the North .

  • @bobbicatalano
    @bobbicatalano Před 5 lety

    Definitely something to think about.. Awesome video as always ❣️ I'd prefer your logo on the shirts👍.

  • @curiouscreations3000
    @curiouscreations3000 Před 5 lety

    As always enjoyed this video!

  • @jayb-wickorsnow5956
    @jayb-wickorsnow5956 Před 5 lety

    Awesome theory bro and sickk merch. Dont get littlefingered! Lol love it

  • @mdarragh6805
    @mdarragh6805 Před 4 lety +2

    This theory is interesting. Other than George confirming that all the Starks are magical, we have not read any evidence that Sansa or Rob posses any magical abilities. Still it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for doing this!

  • @lelisalelo1597
    @lelisalelo1597 Před 5 lety +19

    4 mins in and I'm here.. representing Kenya!
    Keep up the good work

    • @VivekCNair-jy4ct
      @VivekCNair-jy4ct Před 5 lety +2

      Love to Kenya by an Indian guy for all that your country did for the world.
      Thank you Kenya!!

  • @SusieRed
    @SusieRed Před 5 lety +1

    When you said, "...getting so close to the end of the television show." it brought a tear to me eye!

  • @tomericson2859
    @tomericson2859 Před 5 lety

    Yeah, your channel popped up on my YT recommended list a few weeks ago and I binge watched most of your stuff the first day. Great channel and great research. Sunday night can't get here quick enough. It's nice to know I'm not the only GoT junkie that needs their fix. k

  • @mrsduncanthetall
    @mrsduncanthetall Před 5 lety +5

    wow a DIPLOMAT. i love it .ive always wonder who translated those convos in the past 😵😂❤. thanks Dan

    • @syedmobeen2303
      @syedmobeen2303 Před 5 lety

      CICI STARK dothraki never passed the sea what’s the point of translation 🙄

  • @josephjohnson2126
    @josephjohnson2126 Před 5 lety

    Don't stop making videos your the perfect person for this

  • @UAPReportingCenter
    @UAPReportingCenter Před 5 lety +3

    Amazing theory... Rhaegar marrying Lyanna finally makes sense!! Ive wondered about that for years. Im a reddiitor but havent seen this theory. Great job!!!

  • @rochelbanks9177
    @rochelbanks9177 Před 5 lety

    Great theory! Love it, it fits so much.

  • @iiamkee21
    @iiamkee21 Před 5 lety

    We only have 4 more months until I turn my cable back on and we all find out the end game to the show !! I love these theories they really make me think hard about ll the little clues left for us in the show and book. Keep it up!!!

  • @carolelder3319
    @carolelder3319 Před 5 lety

    That was FANTASTIC. And probably correct. I watched this twice once with a bowl of ice cream :)

  • @roderickbraganca
    @roderickbraganca Před 5 lety

    NICE DUDE.never thought about this. but i'm buying. best theory ever

  • @Shelly-mz9yf
    @Shelly-mz9yf Před 11 měsíci

    Beautiful you got it 😀 can't wait for season 2

  • @lu4212
    @lu4212 Před 5 lety +55

    Jon does fit the Nights King to perfection in wiki, both lord commanders, both have a brother called Brandon, both gave his seed to a woman, the Night’s King was a Stark, Jon is half Stark, the nights Kings name is banned, Ygritte in the books tells Jon his name is evil, Brandon the breaker was king in the North but assuming the information is a bit false perhaps it was his actually his unamed brother? Jon could well become the Night King its a good theory

    • @cathylanders6377
      @cathylanders6377 Před 5 lety +2

      I hope not

    • @lu4212
      @lu4212 Před 5 lety

      @@cathylanders6377 me neither

    • @trentmeikle8609
      @trentmeikle8609 Před 5 lety +4

      He may become the nights king but he won't become The Night King

    • @lu4212
      @lu4212 Před 5 lety

      @@trentmeikle8609 true

    • @nelsonalva
      @nelsonalva Před 5 lety +3

      True, and they both have heads :|

  • @thundaciousD
    @thundaciousD Před 5 lety

    Dude! Mind blown! It makes sense and definitely fits. Come on April!!!

  • @pennydreadfulism
    @pennydreadfulism Před 5 lety

    Lol “don’t get littlefingered” is pretty good dude XD

  • @MaRz-ef8hj
    @MaRz-ef8hj Před 5 lety

    Great job! I love that u tried to go with a more creative look after all the trademarks. Yes i am very interested and if u can be sure to leave this open im sure ppl will still want to be buying even long afyer the series is over. Thanks again for all ur entertaining and out the box thinkn!

  • @OleT967
    @OleT967 Před 5 lety

    Merry Christmas to you to 😁

  • @mischarowe
    @mischarowe Před 5 lety +1

    It's an interesting theory. The main flaw, I think, is it doesn't explain why the Others didn't move south during the time the Targaryens were at their strongest. Dany is hardly the first Targaryen after that so-called pact, to have full fledged dragons and be immune to fire.

  • @lesliegalen7018
    @lesliegalen7018 Před 5 lety +2

    Very interesting. Lately, tho, I’ve been wondering about Arya and Littlefinger. Did she take his face? Did she feed him to the weirwood tree? Can she use his face to infiltrate Kings Landing? Thanks for all the lovely discussions!

  • @petarzrinski7991
    @petarzrinski7991 Před 5 lety

    Great video :-)

  • @mdarragh6805
    @mdarragh6805 Před 4 lety

    This theory is really good! It makes a lot of sense

  • @shirleybarra1450
    @shirleybarra1450 Před 5 lety

    This is the best theory I've seen.

  • @lionessmummy4418
    @lionessmummy4418 Před 5 lety

    The "Don't get Little fingered" is hilarious!

  • @tonydemasso3691
    @tonydemasso3691 Před 5 lety

    I love this channel.

  • @lostsoldier212
    @lostsoldier212 Před 5 lety

    That's a fantastic theory, especially the part about the Stark and Valerian blood. I think it is Preston Jacob, but I remember a great theory that this isn't a medieval story but some sort of dark ages after a planet wide or intergalactic war went nuclear. The theory indicated mutations in the generic code...wargs, valerians, telepaths, mages, faceless men and whatnot.
    Good video!

  • @C.Romero7
    @C.Romero7 Před 5 lety +1

    Great stuff sounds possible

  • @plumbussmith
    @plumbussmith Před 5 lety

    great vid

  • @TheKadanz
    @TheKadanz Před 5 lety +35

    I've lost any kind of trust in the show runners to give any kind of deeper explaination as to what the purpose is of the WWs. I bet they're going to be the stereotypical mindless killing machines which the protagonist (jon snow) has to destroy in order to be the hero at the end of it all. Ever since they got past the books, the show has turned into a traditional hollywood-esque dramatis.

    • @luuksnijder2278
      @luuksnijder2278 Před 5 lety

      They took over a year for the writing of the script... I guess they have a good ending for us in petto

    • @ozking842
      @ozking842 Před 5 lety

      @@luuksnijder2278 It does seem more Hollywood predictable than before.. Eg. episode 2 of season 8, enjoy the party death awaits many of you..

    • @ozking842
      @ozking842 Před 5 lety

      @@luuksnijder2278 Also GRRM "If you think this has a happy ending you have not been paying attention!"

  • @taddawson68dawson68
    @taddawson68dawson68 Před 4 lety

    Not sure. But always glad to see your content. Cheers

  • @robbrown7765
    @robbrown7765 Před 5 lety

    Sounds like a fascinating theory. Keep an eye out for this.

  • @connorabadmoney
    @connorabadmoney Před 5 lety

    Love the apparel brotha!

  • @childoficeandfire7986
    @childoficeandfire7986 Před 5 lety +17

    I agree with the Jon becoming the new night king part, Jon is already technically dead and beric said to Jon, that he's life won't be a happy one during his time in this world

    • @robertoortiz1922
      @robertoortiz1922 Před 5 lety +5

      Child of Ice and fire “ we wont find happinesss in this world. But we can save a lot of them while we are here. “
      “ i am the shield that guards the realm of men.”

    • @childoficeandfire7986
      @childoficeandfire7986 Před 5 lety +3

      @@robertoortiz1922 it's doesn't sound like a promising future for Jon 😖

    • @el34glo59
      @el34glo59 Před 5 lety

      Idk

    • @anniebananny4
      @anniebananny4 Před 5 lety

      Child of Ice and fire : did you notice that when baric said to kill him and you kill them all, Jon said “you don’t understand “... that has plagued my mind ever since. What does Jon understand that he isn’t saying?

  • @dougtexas
    @dougtexas Před 5 lety

    I like this theory! Not all of it, but lots of it.

  • @christopherbrown1391
    @christopherbrown1391 Před 5 lety

    I do like some of the theory I think a new truce will go down between Brandon and the night king great video I will definitely try and purchase a hoodie good job

  • @malovela
    @malovela Před 5 lety

    This is harder to believe after the penultimate episode, but I guess it's still possible. In any case, I like it a lot. Thanks.

  • @JoniukasVader
    @JoniukasVader Před 5 lety +4

    Talk Time!!!

  • @naturalbrunette07
    @naturalbrunette07 Před 5 lety

    Wonderful

  • @oakenshadow6763
    @oakenshadow6763 Před 5 lety

    Sounds very good.

  • @giaalvarado2063
    @giaalvarado2063 Před 5 lety

    Dude! You should have told us about the store sooner so we could ache ordered in time for Christmas. Oh well. Guess I'm getting myself a new year's gift. Haha

  • @pruthvivanra795
    @pruthvivanra795 Před 5 lety

    This is a crazy but a sensible one

  • @Ladymimikyu778
    @Ladymimikyu778 Před 5 lety +13

    I do truly believe there was some kind of deal made that has been broken, but I feel that will be for the books only and the TV show will just have the others just be the bad monster invaders that Jon will destroy but not without alot of death. I seen d&d say that the whitewalkers won't talk in the show as death doesn't speak. So I think they going for that angle of they just monsters. But if not I shall be pleasantly surprised. Amazing video as always ♥ keep it up and happy holidays @Talking_Thrones and to all xoxo

    • @VivekCNair-jy4ct
      @VivekCNair-jy4ct Před 5 lety +4

      But Miss Nicole, they took an year off to write well and finish the show.
      They had probably written very well.
      I do agree with you that they won't reveal the exact definitive origin of the Whitewalkers, but they'll hint us many things.
      Why do I think so??
      Because there are spin-offs to this novel that are going to come out .
      They'll keep vital information for the spin-offs.

    • @cjwrench07
      @cjwrench07 Před 5 lety +3

      They can only give away enough secrets, that won’t impact the Prequel Serie(s). If we know everything, just finding out how they are made isn’t that interesting.
      I personally trust the writing for this season, because of the input from GRRM m, and knowing how it’s ending in the book.

    • @Ladymimikyu778
      @Ladymimikyu778 Před 5 lety +1

      @@cjwrench07 oh GRRM worked with d&d for this last season? Then it's gonna be epic in every way and now I am looking forward to it even more ☺

    • @cjwrench07
      @cjwrench07 Před 5 lety +3

      Nicole rea Yeah, they brought him in as a direct consultant, not an outside one like the past. They really wanted to hit a homerun with this last season.
      The talk was HBO was worded about the last season, when they didn’t have a book to go by, and asked him and his team to help them out. Especially since GRRM has his first draft into the publishers already, but the show-runners didn’t have direct access to it.

    • @Ladymimikyu778
      @Ladymimikyu778 Před 5 lety

      @@cjwrench07 awesome thanks for letting me know this. Gosh I am super excited now yay 😁

  • @DouglasSilva-lf7rm
    @DouglasSilva-lf7rm Před 5 lety

    Interesting idea

  • @ciaraconover2290
    @ciaraconover2290 Před 5 lety

    Great prices on merch!

  • @KnightLincoln
    @KnightLincoln Před 5 lety +1

    I always found The Pact theory most compelling.
    What I never really looked up closely, is Azor Ahai (Song of Fire) being a villain, in the Prince That Was Promised (Song of Ice and Fire) story.
    Yet, from what we heard about prequel series - "Long Night" - about legends being fabricated and history rewritten, I've come to expect the other theory - of Corpse Queen being just a girl, possibly Wildling, very convincing. If Night's King had been just like Jon Snow - trying to make peace with hated Wildlings, being falsely accused and killed by his brothers, then demonised in pages of history by the honorable Starks... That, I would consider interensing spin on the story as well.

  • @BootlegBil
    @BootlegBil Před 5 lety +1

    What if Night King has carried a curse all this time? (Which is seen with his control of White Walkers, in turn with control of Wights)? The whole reasoning behind trying to stop Night King would be total misunderstanding of what his battle is all about.
    Remembering something Dany said a while ago, about breaking the wheel. Remembering, also, The Night King showing Jon his 'power' was more like 'lift this curse from me'. - Other things fall into place too, if you follow the breadcrumbs, skipping the red herrings.
    The Game Of Thrones isn't about what so many have believed it to be.

  • @SouperSaiyan96
    @SouperSaiyan96 Před 5 lety +2

    Theory
    Part of the peace pact will require Dany to be turned into a white walker (Azor Ahai tempering his blade in Nissa Nissa's heart). Jon and Dany will rule from the wall as the King and Queen of winter.

  • @brandonsmith4841
    @brandonsmith4841 Před 5 lety

    I like this theory x

  • @nicholasustianowski1087

    I think it is a good video with a good theory

  • @antionettekidd9749
    @antionettekidd9749 Před 5 lety

    Those quotes are clever.

  • @SuperConejo87
    @SuperConejo87 Před 5 lety

    That seams like a bitter sweat ending for me! Makes sense! Jon and Dany's child will be the sweater part ("a dream of spring"), Jon's taking the Night's King place and Dany's dead is the bitter part.

  • @leoferwer1813
    @leoferwer1813 Před 5 lety +4

    It seems more than possible. Martin said once and once again that asoiaf is not the battle of good against evil, so...
    And we can't forget jon is dead in the books. Yes, he will be resurrected, but, he'll remain human after that? There is a good chance that in the books he will return with more consequences than in the tv series, and if he returns as something a bit inhuman, his destiny (whatever it might be) could be the same as gandalf or frodo in lotr: to go away, far from the living.
    Or it could be that jon and dany must procreate to bring the world a true son of ice and fire, like the tv show is heading to, apparently. But i personally find that awkward, because jon is already a son of ice (lyanna stark) and fire (rhaegar targaryen). So his son with dany will be a son of ice melting in fire, sort of (3 targs v 1 stark in the dna pool)...
    And maybe there is another possibility: dany marrying the nights king and going north of the wall. She os fire, the nights king is ice. Who knows...

  • @skiloz0245
    @skiloz0245 Před rokem

    This is a great theory

  • @annclark3914
    @annclark3914 Před 5 lety

    Thk U Sir, Fascinating! My Mouth Is Open!! If N Whn I Do Get 2 Read These Books, U Make It Much Easier 2 Understand Wth Soooo Many Options. Thks 4 My Wkly "Fix".

  • @DewitticusBrett
    @DewitticusBrett Před 5 lety +1

    I love this theory and GRRMs allegories. The story is a great side story of how we are destroying the very home that let's us live. Just a genius with how he writes.

  • @mikecobalt7005
    @mikecobalt7005 Před 6 měsíci

    :) Excellent

  • @catalian1
    @catalian1 Před 5 lety +3

    I still think you should talk about the Night King's cloak pin. I know the outside resembles a crow. It is the inside that is important to me. It shows the round tower at Winterfell with Bran falling out. The show has also shown the symbiotic connection between them. Also, there is a connection of their powers that are very similar.

    • @ctruth6185
      @ctruth6185 Před 5 lety +2

      The Night King was a three eyed raven gone bad.

  • @TheColdBone
    @TheColdBone Před 5 lety

    Love it. I like the idea of a union restoring the peace. Hope the show gives us an ending that's still as grounded in the world of the books as this theory.
    When it comes to the show though and the way it has drawn all this attention to Daenerys not being able to have a child and now sleeping with Jon, I'm worried they'll do something involving giving up their baby to the others to forma peace treaty and that would probably cover the whole Azor Ahai imagery of sinking a sword into his lover's chest.
    Just a thought tabout the direction of the show that struck me as I heard you speak

  • @Am-jb8yp
    @Am-jb8yp Před 5 lety +103

    Regarding The Others waking up because of Targaryens, it cant be true.. the Valeryians had hundreds of dragons and they were outside of Westeros and still the Others did nothing to cross sea.. instead of fighting the Valeryians who are the threat to the Others, they decided to fight Men..? the Long Night already passed thousands of years ago and the 'threat of the dragons' came to Westeros like 500 years ago with Aegon and that was way after the Long Night, and still the Others did nothing when Aegon came.. so nope I dont think that this is a valid reason for the Others to wake up and start moving. Also about the Wall being made by the Others, If they made it to keep people out of their lands.. why are Men guarding the Wall and not them (the Others)? also not valid.. I think that there was a pact or something like that back then or maybe they just ran off to the lands of always winter and men couldnt follow..But regarding the Night King, I think that he's so freaking smart and he has the ability to know things.. like maybe the future. Because when John went beyond the Wall to get a deadguy for proof, the NK just surrounded him and kept waiting, now obviously he had spears and his aim is OP so he could've finished them 1 by 1 lol but he didn't he kept waiting for Dany to come so he can get a dragon, how did he know that Dany or dragons are coming? why not kill them with spears? does he have the ability to see the future? Or maybe he wargs into animals to spy on the other side of the wall? just like Bran is doing by spying on the NK? So many questions!!

    • @helloyoutubers4959
      @helloyoutubers4959 Před 5 lety +20

      Lol, well done you broke this theory on it head

    • @elizabethdelgado5937
      @elizabethdelgado5937 Před 5 lety +1

      Damnnnnn KO !

    • @miltonwanzala
      @miltonwanzala Před 5 lety +3

      The night king might be a green seer like bran stark so yes, he might have the ability or even stronger ability then the 3 eyed
      crow

    • @Am-jb8yp
      @Am-jb8yp Před 5 lety

      Milton wanzala yes thats a 100% but im not talking about seeing the past or the present.. my question is how does he know that something is coming or about to happen?

    • @johnnycashew9101
      @johnnycashew9101 Před 5 lety +6

      You want alt shift x for proper solid GoT theories. this dude isnt that good
      He even explains this theory way better and doesnt try to hawk merch

  • @peterquinn5012
    @peterquinn5012 Před 5 lety +8

    This idea may not be spot on. but it is the right kind of thing that fits the story. In the show old nan's tale of the early lord commander falling in love with an other that had a face as pale as the moon is a reflection on Jon and Daenerys. She is the moon of Drog's life. Also, if you listen to Jon at the end of season 6 he says that the real enemy does not wait out the storm he brings it. At the beginning of season 7 Daenerys 'stormborn' lands in Dragonstone whilst a major storm rages. They discuss that she was born during the worst storm in living memory. I think that it is possible that somehow she will become a whte walker and rule with Jon north of the wall.

  • @HeyitsUnotMe
    @HeyitsUnotMe Před 5 lety +1

    Sounds good

  • @josephinewinter
    @josephinewinter Před 5 lety

    love it :)

  • @danielgriffin3875
    @danielgriffin3875 Před 5 lety

    Interesting, very.

  • @malakhi08
    @malakhi08 Před 5 lety

    Wow I like that theory

  • @djiboutiafrica2523
    @djiboutiafrica2523 Před 5 lety +1

    Don't get Littlefingered is a great slogan to live by.

  • @multidiverse
    @multidiverse Před 5 lety +10

    It will not occur in the book because, although the writing/storyline has lagged significantly in the past couple of seasons, it is not the story that the showrunners are trying to tell. In the book, maybe, because the wall has not come down. That being said, I am sure the Free Folk would love to point a finger at the Crows and say that they're violating a Pact; Rhaegar already had an heir and did not need to keep the throne away from Dany (especially since she was not guaranteed to be born); this theory is stating that Targaryens are the reason for the Others and their army in the first place (which is laughable because the Long Night, as we are told, first arrived 8,000 years ago and well before Valyria was even a power); and Dany is, herself, a bit of Ice and Fire when you consider her Blackwood blood (Aegon V and Queen Consort Betha Blackwood (blood of the First Men and keeper of the Old Gods) beget Jaehaerys II, beget Aerys II, beget Daenerys I); even Bloodraven would be a great candidate for the merging of Ying and Yang forces. Dany's coupling in the show with Jon is another Pact of Ice and Fire (on top of Jon being, in the show, the latest example of Ice and Fire, unless you want to say that it is too late (in which case, give a girl a break). I like the idea, but the Others had plenty of Ice and Fire combos to choose from, even having Bloodraven forgo his own life to work and balance things out.

    • @ninjakick1375
      @ninjakick1375 Před 5 lety +5

      I was actually thinking the same thing, Danys ice and fire in her own right, so was Rheager so was bloodraven. Being a child of ice and fire ain't unique to Jon. I grow tired of this Jon snow pandering and making Dany the villian of this story. Last time Iooked Jon didn't save 100 of thousands of slaves in slaversbay, but Dany did. But I guess jons sooooo honourable so we must all root for him

    • @multidiverse
      @multidiverse Před 5 lety +2

      That's my thing. Dany is shaking up the world for the better, and came west with most of known Essos united behind her. You're telling me that ending slavery and claiming a birthright is evil? How is she to know who Jon is (in the show), and that his claim is stronger?

    • @multidiverse
      @multidiverse Před 5 lety +1

      Plus, in the show, Bran was touch in the Westwood net by the Night King and allowed for their position to be discovered. This causes the death of the powerful 3-Eyed Raven, which worked in conjunction with the magical forces of the wall, and forces Bran to be the opposing force in a war that he barely understood was talking place. Blame Bran.

    • @bethaofhouseblackwood234
      @bethaofhouseblackwood234 Před 5 lety +2

      Yep, we at house blackwood class Dany as one of our own, She is just as much blackwood as she is targeyen. Tyto blackwood would be proud.

  • @diyacoshwany5184
    @diyacoshwany5184 Před 5 lety +1

    Being honest I really like it I don't want an ending with just battles and war and that's it this theory gives got a very good originality which even though it already has an ending with peace with Demons(thats what we believe) Is fantastic and also agrees with GRRM opinions of how much he hates war

  • @jayblack7495
    @jayblack7495 Před 5 lety +1

    I'm remembering Melisandra's powerful fixation on Stanis Borathian. She was blindly fixated on King's blood, and specifically, Stanis's blood. She made Stanis gaze into the flames until he saw what she saw. Though I doubt that Stanis was "resurrected" after B. of Tarth killed him, I often wonder what Melisandra's actually saw. She may not fully see the pieces on the board, but she does seem to know how the prophecy plays out. I hope the show expounds the full extent of "The Red Woman's" knowledge. I feel as if she is the only one who knows the identity of the Night King . . .
    Time will tell.

  • @andersgustafsson5533
    @andersgustafsson5533 Před 5 lety +1

    I think the white walkers came down because the future night king replacer, Jon Snow, was coming to age. And they go south with force to not give him a chance to decline the deal.
    Loads of dragons and dragon riders have been around earlier without them marching south...

  • @ThisIsYourOnlyWarning
    @ThisIsYourOnlyWarning Před 5 lety

    This makes a lot of sense! Haven’t you already made a video or videos, saying something similar about the ending being an agreement or new pact? Except this elaborates your original theory, I’m guessing since we got the teaser showing the ice and fire clashing with each other. Damn I hope this is the ending though, it would be a proper ending for this amazing story.
    Edit: I’m definitely getting a hoodie!

  • @bethaofhouseblackwood234
    @bethaofhouseblackwood234 Před 5 lety +6

    I know one thing for sure, Danys azor ahai.

  • @JRHightower1987
    @JRHightower1987 Před 5 lety +4

    Is Gin Alley quote takin? One of my favs, I was Fookin Legend of GinAlley

  • @SuperCaelia
    @SuperCaelia Před 5 lety

    Yes. I have thought since the very early days (Season 1) that it ends in some kind of balance. I don't have direct evidence of it; only a reference to what the story is based on. The books are inspired by the Wars of the Roses (Song of Ice and Fire) where the Starks (white rose York, white ice) and Targaryens (red rose, fire) end up uniting into a single house, Tudor (red and white roses combined; fire and ice combined).

  • @mariahcampisi9152
    @mariahcampisi9152 Před 5 lety

    I like this theory

  • @mlupine
    @mlupine Před 2 lety

    It is an interesting theory

  • @dawnhaley6954
    @dawnhaley6954 Před 5 lety +1

    Yes, something like that...I mean the SALT symbol used in the opening scene first season hints that no "Guest right" was offered. Salt and bread was offered to Robb & party before the Red Wedding... signaling "Guest Right" had been observed. So...I do think this is the most obvious ending. John taking a wife other than his choosing, I'm hoping not!

  • @jaydenleslie4431
    @jaydenleslie4431 Před 5 lety

    pretty cool theory. That would be a bitter sweat ending

  • @theking-jj6hd
    @theking-jj6hd Před 5 lety

    Hey man, just a suggestion after hearing all that about the Valyrian steel swords... maybe you had some thoughts on Brightroar???