DB2020 - Classic & Retro History and Gear
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- čas přidán 20. 02. 2020
- In this video, Karl, Ian and Mike (Bloke on the Range) discuss the Classic & Retro divisions at DB2020, along with the gear they're using in their respective divisions.
Karl (Classic Manual) - Winchester 1873 & 1911
Ian (Classic Automatic) - FG42 & French 1935A
Mike (RETRO) - Colt SP1 & Browning HighPower
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This could be a movie, French Resistant Fighter Ian, Gunslinger Karl and alternative Universe Mercenary Steve Jobs
I'd watch it.
"Three Men & a Trenchcoat"
Time Machine Mercenaries
French Resistant Fighter Ian, Gunslinger Karl and alternative Universe Mercenary Steve Jobs walk into a bar...
I've had this idea in my head for a while but can never think of an actual plot.
Bloke looks like a tactical Steve Jobs
_"I spent all of my money on ammo, and I'll be damned if I don't use it!"_
The Watcher I’m going to steal that line!
This comment is gold
lol.
Steve "Wet Work" Jobs
Everybody gangsta ‘til Ian starts speaking cursive
Lol
And not just any cursive, but fractured (fracking?) French.
Got three New Vegas characters today on inrange.
... It was a long time sinse I played New Vegas but was all guns in?
I know the High power was in called the 9mm pistol.
1911 some version was in one of the expansion packs and was there a unique 1911 or a unique High power? (Bennys custom ivory pistol)
the french 7.65 pistol (I need close caption on numbers) not in the game im sure of it.
the M16 (some version of it. gamedevs are/was notorious poor whit getting them correctly together whit the full AK tree) Service rifle (semi auto only... I think).
the level action was for sure in. not sure what name it had.
the german Rifle... Im sure it was not in in any capacity... in fact I done think there was any side loaded gun in the game at all.
@@Zack_Wester For what it's worth, the 1911 was in with an expansion, and it had a unique variant as well.
The hi-power was the base game's 9mm.
And the service Rifle is *pretty* close but it's gonna few changes. Probably for royalties or something.
This is the perfect comment
@@Zack_Wester the assault carbine was quite a bit closer to an M16 than the service rifle. The cowboy repeater was lever action, so were the brush gun and trail carbine.
@@Zack_Wester The service rifle was some weird AR 10/AR 15 hybrid thing in 556 with wooden furniture that I still want to build IRL some day to pair with a BHP.
The 1911 was just called the 45 auto pistol iirc and it was added with the honest hearts DLC with a whole group of mormons who all carry 1911s and practically worship JMB. You get a special commander model from Joshua Graham at the end of the DLC call a Light Shining in Darkness. Benny's pistol Maria was a BHP with a ivory gripped with the virgin Mary engraved on it.
"And it is chambered in 7.65 French long."
*extremely excited extremely British voice, "you finally found ammunition for that?"
Ian's excitement over finally getting ammo for his pistol is a level of joy I aspire to achieve in life.
Sorry Ian, but Karl's outfit totally ROCKS.
It does!
Hard tie for me, but ladies love the classic beret+aviator combo
If only Karl had a coach gun tucked under that magnificent coat... absolute perfection.
Seriously, I want that whole rig.
@@SlavicCelery thatd be 3 gun though ... *vomits*
This is the oddly specific historical content I require.
Also, I love manual actions and a majority of my collection is stuff like Savage 99s, I just suck at planning and never make it to DB.
They look like a mid-level encounter in a post apocalyptic RPG. I'm quite sure that at the end if this video i'm going to get a side quest ...... Ian kinda looks like he's got a unique weapon and hat *quicksave* .
*cutscene*
Hey guys! I'm Ian, and I haven't seen the likes of you in these parts...
Crossover module for Twilight: 2000 X Space: 1889 X GURPS Cyberpunk?
I absolutely cannot overstate how ready my body is for lever gun karl
Come get your Kasarda drill
Glad to see Bloke making it out here to the land of gats
Didn't expect to see your ass here
Didnt expect to see u here......
Calling all masochistic war thunder players.
Switzerland is the true land of gats
“...and if you notice the road in the background, that’s what we call the “InRange Death March” which, if your squad is lucky, you’ll only have to do twice...”
Twice a freaking day.
Man, that sucked.
Sean Smith and then twice more going to and from the car...oof
I've got that Swedish coat (centre) and it has to be VERY cold to wear it. You cannot do it up unless it is sub-zero. They were certainly around in WW2 but possibly date back as far as 1913. I wonder whether any would have been in the USA in your period. Very heavy and restrictive of movement - I tried to shoot a bow in one once and that didn't work.
can’t believe you’re here, love your vids mate.
Do you happen to frequent this channel often? Didn't expect to see you here.
When you and the boys all took different paths in life but the loves still there.
You may not know this, but Ian is specifically dressed as a member of the PPFF (Popular People's Front of France) who infamously fought against their rivals the FPPF (French Popular People's Front) over their counter-revolutionary belief that proper nouns count in Scrabble.
"We're not the People's Front of Judea! We're the Judean People's Front."
Have the PPFF and the FPPF ever got together and debated what the Romans ever did for them?
SPLITTER
good point the French resistance was a farce.
@@Ponen77 You mean the Germans.
I really hope Ian's character got a hold of that FG after cappin a German with a liberator.
Let's set the scene for that: Ian's town has been captured and occupied. Enemy forces are holed up in the local church, city hall, and anywhere else that offers a decent field of view in case Allied troops arrive. Ian's wife walks up to a small group of soldiers offering "aid" in the form of wine, a baguette, and "companionship" ... The enemy are preoccupied and don't notice Ian creeping up behind them with an old shotgun until he opens fire and his wife pulls a Liberator out from under her jacket.
@@AM-hf9kk please continue I must hear more.
That's cannon now
@@Hubert_Cumberdale_ continue the story if no one else does... pretty please.
@@AM-hf9kk Ian shoots the oldest looking soldier right in the back severing his spine, theres 2 left, one desperately trying to get to his STG suffers the same faith as his comrade, Ian with his shotgun barrels smoking that smell like rebellion, guves the signal to his wife, his wife pulls her just found dusty liberator, and manages to put a shot in the third soldier's chest, as he's agonizing in the floor Ian quickly disarms the two soldiers bodies, and goes to finish off the third soldier, they see each other eye to eye, the 17 yr old scared soldier, thinks of his familly as he shouts
"Bitte erbarme dich", Ian grabs the soldiers just recently manufactures FG 42, with conflicting toughs going trough his mind, as he sees the wounded soldier slowly closing his eyes, calling for his mom, Ian and his wife vanish from the scene, but that scared soldier is still on Ians head, to this day...
"Malaysian desert fatigues and a sweater."
Nothing can be more polar opposite than that!
Also, I think that's probably why Malaysia (and then Singapore which broke away to its own state) adopted the M16 quite early (it's pretty much adopted as a service rifle alongside the L1A1 and then the Steyr AUG), with M16 rifles well known and in the public consciousness since the 1970s. The Borneo campaign might have been the one that puts the AR-15 to its paces even before it got to Vietnam and convinced both the Brits and the Malaysians to get it, and Singapore was granted a license from Colt to produce it (hence, the designation M16S1 for Singaporean-made A1 guns). I would need to verify all of this, but I think it's interesting to tell the history of the AR-15 and M16 in this region.
I was in the jungle near Chiang Mai, Thailand once. It was winter and freezing, didn’t know that was possible in the tropics. I wish I had a sweater.
@@johnyricco1220 As somebody from the region (Malaysia specifically), yes, it can get quite cold, but that's an exception, not a rule (in fact 70 degrees F is "cold" for significantly many of us). Otherwise, hot and humid interspersed with lots of rain, so a jacket is not beyond the realm of the imagination and enough to keep you warm.
In fact, it's so warm in Malaysia that British residents during the Empire days seeked to settle at higher altitudes to get away from the heat. This why there are places called Fraser's Hill and Cameron Highlands, and continued to be referenced as such.
That being said, Chiang Mai is quite further north and deeper inside the Asian mainland. It makes sense that a cold front would form.
To me, the most annoying thing about the kit as a whole is not having any headgear.
7:02 "the civilian and indigenous people understood that" I always love to point out that not only was Custer outnumbered and attacking the Lakota in a position they couldn't retreat from, but he was outgunned by lever actions while his troops were still using trapdoor rifles.
Bloke looks so excited to be there and I'm excited to see him in these videos!
@@randymagnum143 True, but I gotta say, watching him take 2nd in Irons at Finnish Brutality with God's boomstick was pretty awesome
thats a true league of extraordinary gentlemen right there
Best Rifle: Ian
Best Pistol: Mike
Best Outfit: Karl
The best part of DB for me was how willing Karl was to participate in the Derpgru shenanigans whenever he got the chance
I'm so glad you're doing this with Bloke. He must be so happy to be able to do this, since Switzerland doesn't have much IPSC I hear...
@@sjoormen1 XD
Ian adopting a french theme and Karl adopting an old west theme-I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!
I'm surprised bloke on the range didn't go with dhofar rebellion. I guess he was hoping to get a ruby the size of a tangerine.
I bet he was glad he didn't go with the Mirbat shorts and webbing combo!!
Look, it’s a bloke in the desert
Your french is really great actually, as a french, seriously, it's pretty good, I can understand what did you say, for the FG-42, actually in french museum we can saw some capture FG-42 and STG-44, so it's maybe possible to see a french resistant use one of this ^^
Quelle museum? Le 1er Armee ont capture quelques uns a toute fin de la guerre, mais je serais tres supris si la resistance en attrapait. Pardon mon manque de marcques d'accent, je ne suis pas francais.
The guy in "Retro" with tthe most modern kit; just InRangeTV things...
Fact.
Just need to get SinistralRifleman in the picture.
@@Lowlandlord he shot retro and armored last year iirc
@@InrangeTv I see what I did there; I think I must've googled an old DB rules/divisions document where classic did allow for more modern setups than current retro. Yup 2018 Classic was up to 1986...
Yes, it has begun, the Brutality-ing.
Like .50 cents a round for extremely obscure ammo for a french gun that didn't exist until now really isn't a bad price lol
Apparently they also make 8mm Nambu for about the same price per round, which is great because that used to be at least $1 per shot from anywhere else.
EDIT: I took a look at Steinel's site. I was reading the price for the 20 rd box thinking it was the 50 rd box. 8mm Nambu is still well over a $1 per round. I regret the error.
Heck Karl, your loadout wouldn't have been entirely out of place right on up into the 1930's, let alone the 1910's. The interwar period wasn't exactly a time when the average joe could go wasting money left and right, and if his dad or grandad's lever gun still worked and put meat on the table, it's a cinch it'd still be in use.
Tell you what, though: I'd love to see Karl do a '30s version, where he replaced the '73 with one of those Peace Officers Equipment Company Remington Model 8s with the detachable 20-round magazines...
@@jic1 I don't even want to think about how hard it would be to find a rifle with enough matching magazines, but it would be cool to see. Alternately, he could use a standard Model 8 with stripper clips, assuming you could find a few correct or at least usable clips.
Knew a guy in the 80s using one, from Arkansas
I have an idea for a kit:
Velvet Revolution
VZ58
CZ-75
Acid wash jeans
U2 shirt (preferably the BOY album cover)
ADIDAS shoes
Win.
That sounds like modern Alberta hipster kit
Hey Karl I do the opposite of your set up when I'm out on my farm sometimes I'll have an AKM rifle and a Colt Single Action Army as my side arm lol.
split personality: Russian soldier/Arabic insurgent and Revolver Ocelot
@@screamsinrussian5773 It gets extra confusing when I use the 1860 Richards and Masons conversion in 45 colt made by Italian's at Uberti lol
WOLVERINES!!!
@@TheBiggestIron You know now that you say that I guess I do have Swayze's load out lol
But... why?
Look forward to seeing the High Power in competition, on CZcams. You used to see them a lot IRL, but not so much in serious tacticool competition videos pretty much ever since the Beretta came out. (With 1 more round in the magazine.) Okay, ever since Lethal Weapon came out.
This post is an encyclopedia entry for *real* small arms history.
@@12ealDealOfficial Not really, I mean anecdotal history, from someone that loves the High Power, and has been shooting for decades, but not like these 3 guys. Not even close.
@@Psiberzerker This comment was sarcastic but acknowledging the influence Hollywood has on public interest in firearms.
There are lots of videos/matches here of Ian using his Israeli Hi Power as his pistol. I could not tell you which exact videos, but it always performed just fine.
That Borneo campaign is something to behold. The tip of the spear in their element.
I'm so glad you guys are working with the Bloke. Great gear too!
Awh yeh, KowBoyKarl is back! With his friends, Ian the Frenchie and some bloke. Can't wait to see more discussions with you three as this series progresses.
I sincerely feel for Bloke, those mag safeties on the Hi Power are the bane of my existence.
As always this is just awesome, unique stuff I feel you just don't see anywhere else. Love the LARPing aspect, and I love your enthusiasm for the historical elements and how it relates to today.
Their costumes are so cute.
Yeah its like a Halloween dress up and it looks kinda cool
it's not a costume, it's a way of life
Three absolutely beautiful rifles, with some excellent sidearm choices to boot! I'm glad Ian finally acquired some ammo, and I'm drooling over Karl's lever gun. Gonna be a good match!
It’s my new favorite channel, In the Bloke’s Range!
Most soldiers even today still don't actually carry two guns. While it has become a thing recently, it still remains a relatively rare thing done only by specific types of units and some leaders depending on the country.
Rothary And units in the US Army that experimented in Iraq and Afghanistan based on perceived CQB needs. The close, multi level nature of urban warfare has encouraged a lot of sidearm issue.
Excellent stuff! Waiting for the next upload, cheers and kippis from Finland!
Brilliant to see you all together
So excited for this!
Love that you went with the winchester.
Was really hoping it was the 1876 but the 73 will work!!
You guys are the best, I always look forward to this excellent content.
Karl, a good many years ago, Col.Cooper observed that the WWI mag pouches were the best of the low cost options. For fast access, he recommended folding the flap back and placing a loose round beneath each magazine. I find my 1918 vintage surplus pouches great in the field, and they do have room for magazines with base pads. Loved the video.👍.
Great gear and I'm glad to see Mike could make it to the US to shoot.
Steinel, Stynell, Styknell, Stainell... definitely spelt the way it sounds.
excited to see bloke's progress from Finnish Brutality. Thanks for all you guys do putting up interesting and informative content out there!
Great gear and outfits :) Thanks to all the sponsors!!!!!
I've got a Miroku Win'95 from the 90's, and she's a beauty too!
@@Lowlandlord Occasionally, but damn can she run DOOM.
Before the recent adoption of the SIG 320, the people in the infantry platoon issued a pistol were; the Platoon Sergeant, the Platoon leader, 240 gunners, and possibly the medic. Now they have decided to issue a handgun to both the team leaders and squad leaders. It essentially quadruples the numbers of pistols issued to an individual platoon.
On active duty army in the mid 80's 1911 were issued to M60 gunners and some motar men. Company Commander, Platoon leaders and NCO'S carried M16 a1 rifles. FYI my rifle was essentially the same as Bloke on the Range carries. (Full Auto excluded)
Thanks for the info Evan
I honestly enjoy listening to your reasons for the gear more than watching the match itself
I thought I was looking at a Metal Gear Solid V cosplay for a second
Now that Ian has that 32 French long ammo,that MAS 38 smg needs to be in a mud test! :)
Git that guldern bugle rifle in dat Arizona caliche clay too
Outstanding kit Karl!
This is going to be so EPIC!!!!
Excited for these videos
Desert Brutality was so awesome
I wanna do Classic Manual next year
be one of nine!
@@TheWolfsnack hell, I wanna be 1 of 15. And maybe come in 2nd. 😀
@@BurningMonkey Good luck to ya dude.....I have thought it looks like a blast.....and I have the guns for either
Very cool. Good to see bloke on the show
Cold, that doesn't look cold, if it was actually cold Mike and Ian would need another layer, Karl you'd be good.
Man! Look at that setting! I hiked 2 km in snowshoes so I could have a go at a 300 m 10 shot challenge yesterday, Arizona, drive ten minutes out of town, "pull over this looks good". Hahaha, if you guys haven't tried Snowshoeing Army style you should come up here and we'll put you in a harness and you can show the good folks what it's like to be Infantry in an Arctic environment.
As for the later, I'm pretty sure I could make that happen. I know some people, who know some people...
I love that you had bloke on the range out to the US to fire something he can't get over there, that's awesome. I always watched him and thought it would be cool if he came to the US to play with some toys that are available here. I wanna see more foreigners from Europe or Australia come shoot our guns it's always nice seeing how much fun they have
Me, an Italian viewer: * cries in Uberti *
Probably too late but that photo of Karl might have been a good channel merch item, that coat is simply magnificent. Reminiscent of Brian Dennehy in "Silverado".
Even a photo of all three of you together in your outfits would be nice, signed even. The outfits are especially good this time, well above and beyond your normal great efforts. Good job! Thanks can't wait for the actual shooting.
Look forward to the match videos.
Saw it was desert brutality and liked before i started it, love it, been waiting since FB for this one. Nice to see bloke there too. Still trying to start Brutality down under.
1 gun!
I'm no where near ready to compete yet, but i hope it happens.
Great set of videos.
thanks guys ,great video!
Wondering when Ian finally gets to shoot that MAS-38 on camera since he's got the ammo figured out.
What's the coat, Karl? And where can I get one?
Ditto. That was my first thought.
Its called livpäls m/1944 a Swedish army peltcoat.
@@swedish992 do they still make them?
Mackelmore - Thrift Shop
@@ymran2187 certainly not
Very cool I’m glad you guys used The 73 Winchester
I'm really looking forward to more info on that Miroku! Agree completely that the lever action is the original assault rifle.
If you go along and pay attention to the story of Bonnie and Clyde lever guns continuously pop up. I also have a picture of my great grandfather and his friends from the 1920s and they had mausers, 1899 SW revolver and a Winchester 1892 with a shoe string sling. A few other guns as well but hard to identify.
This is so awesome!
And it begins! I’m so stoked to see the desert brutality stuff.
This is going to be fun! Inwas hoping to see Karl rock a wheel gat but I totally understand why he went for the 1911.
Karl bought that coat last year in last season's Sears catalog. He just got it parcel delivered out to the West just in time for the match.
This looks like so much fun!
I can’t tell you how much I want to be doing this with you all!
It'd be cool to see Ian and Karl's take on the Mexican Revolution c. 1911-1920
hahaha! love it when Ian tries to speak French! (but, it's not bad at all)
yeah he's good at it
My father-in-law, an Air Force medical service corps officer, carried a Browning Hi-Power pistol in a soft leather shoulder holster with canvas straps under his jungle fatigue shirt (over his OD T-shirt) as well as an M2 carbine. Neither weapon was issued to him. To the day he died he had a red scar under his arm from the rash the holster caused in that humid environment. So, there was two gun in Vietnam.
I just want to say... i f r e a k i n love seeing more of mike on inrange!!!
I would love to see Ian demonstrate a jump setup for the fg- 42.
Karl, love the coat. Looks more stylish than my Czech M85 for the inclement British weather we're having at the moment.
Karl's coat is fire flames awesome.
As a light machine gun pilot i did actually did rate a sidearm.
Was pretty nice on the move in house to house situations.
glad to see you're wearing the armband in the correct manner.
You STILL need a correct holster for the Mle 35A however...
FG42s were deployed in Italy. Ian needs a Justice and Freedom icon on the green white read tricolore ... 😉
Oh man Karl out here flexin' with a Miroku Winchester? I can't wait to see more about that 👀
That french at the start was very good Ian
Classic manual. Like your InRange patch says really : show up or shut up.
It was just -20 below here in Duluth. Can't imagine it's that cold out there.
Infectious enthusiasm!
Karl, any chance you'll actually _take_ that photo?
so jazzed for this series!
I love how excited Bloke got when Ian said he had ammunition for the pistol.
Yay! Glad to see Mike in the mix. Too bad no Chap.
I love all 3 set ups!