The basic point is: Marriage wasn't given to "Christians", it was given to humanity as a whole, in Genesis 2. When Adam and Eve sinned, they were still married. They should remain married, they shouldn't have sexual activities outside of their own relationship, etc. Just like work was given to humans, not just to Christians. Unbelievers have the God given responsability to "subdue the Earth" and to live from it. So yes, unbelievers should be marrying each other, and believers should be marrying each other.
@@SaanichtonMinistries this is a free country and if I want to give someone a complement, I will. Thank you very much. A complement is not stroking anyone’s ego.
This is Pastor John "at his best" (as it were) .... taking a lifetime devoted to understanding the Bible and following Christ... and applying it to real life questions/problems/situations............... ........... this particular question didn't really interest me much, but I figured Pastor John would have something good to say... and as usual he way exceeded my expectations :)
"That which God has joined together let no man cast asunder." What about those who God has NOT joined together, those that (he that is in the world) has brought together?
Very good point indeed, without definition, what are we talking about? A lot of arguments can be shortened by having definitions. From the states point of view, marriage is about legal rights, plights, protections, expectations, taxations and so on. That is THEIR definition. Religious people have other definitions they work with. Their definitions are based upon their faith.
Should we as Christians attend a Catholic wedding, first communion or baptism? Some pastors say that it is allowed as long as you don’t participate in the actual service, etc. Others say that we should offer our congratulations with a gift but we shouldn’t attend because that is a sign of approval. Which one is it?
I've witnessed a marriage where the couple are in the church but did not begin in Christ nor are fully in Christ. I was initially strongly opposed to the mercy of the church letting the couple stay together knowing it's God who unites a couple rather than mankind, but I now understand what's of significance. That we are in a fallen world where sin causes us to do foolish things escapes me at times. A started marriage without the hand of God is much like the consequences of sin in perpetuation, and so, I am pained because this couple cannot say, "God united us", but what's of more importance is the salvation of them both. I initially had no hope for their salvation given their marriage, but I see God is so merciful and powerful as to still be able to reach out to them so that they may believe in Christ Jesus.
More grace sir... Whether or not it is a believer living in an area God will still shine his lovely sun. Whether or not it is a believer that sowed in that field God will still give his blessed rain. Whether or not the land is full of sinners God will not stop giving air for the inhabitants to breathe. God acknowledges man (human) as man (human)... Yet all these will not for once change the decision of God to judge the wicked once his hour of grace is over. Part of the intension of God is that reproduction (a part of his purpose for marriage) and core responsibilities attached to it should be done within the confines of marriage; when unbelievers honour this wisdom (on marriage) from God he accepts it as from the assigned creatures of his - as God assigned marriages to men... This all the same would not, as noted earlier, change God's final judgement plans against them should they not accept his provision of redemption for them before their expiry on earth, though he acknowledges their properly carried out marriage. -------------------------------------------------------------------- "...My help comes from the Lord, who made heaven and earth - *HOLY DEPENDENCY* - ...Give us help from trouble, for vain is the help of man..." God bless you!
If one of them comes to the faith, they would be subject to the rules of one being in faith and the other not, which means that the marriage is still valid before God, even if the marriage began before conversion.
Yeah ofc they are look at the Old Testament Potiphar and his wife were considered marrried in the eyes of the Lord. The Egyptians were pagans and yet God still viewed them as married. So yeah Gods principles of marriage are applicable to all and so is his standard for it. The terms for divorce and remarriage stand with all and will judge all because we are judged by Gods words. They are the ultimatum and the conclusion for all.
@@ladyhumblebee2784 I don't understand how i spoke blasphemy here.... the bible identifies Potiphar's spouse as his wife...this passage is from genesis 39. The context of it is taken from the fact that jose0h is working for potiphar. genesis 39 verse 7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me. see here the bible identifies that potiphar is married qnd potiphars wife tries to cause joseph tp commit adultery. in the next verse it identofoes potiphar as married again in verse 8
But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand; here again it identifies her as the master's wife.....joseph even identifies it as a wrong act as he refuses to lie with her as he knows its wrong and also a betrayal of the trust he has with potiphar whom entrusted him with more things...
furthermore, the bible says that we are to obey the laws of the land. so if you register a marriage via the state an dit os your first time getting married then legally by law and in the eyes of God you are marrier because God wantw Christians to obey the laws of the land they live in so if two non believers get married via the state law then they are married legqlly qn dif it is their first time getti g married then in the eyes of jesus they are married.
Pick up your cross and follow Jesus. I'm going to assume you're dating and not married. A non believer will always turn you from God, they will never understand that Jesus is #1 in your life. They can't share in the joy of the Lord with you. How can you have a relationship with someone and you can't share your greatest treasure, Jesus Christ. How can he lead you if he is following the ways of Satan? Seek the Lord and let his love and desires for you change your heart toward this person.
Hey Pamela! I admire your courage to share! If you are married, I strongly encourage you to get involved in a biblically founded church and seek help from there. Marriage is never something you and your husband would walk alone on. The church community is to come along side to pray, teach, rebuke, comfort and help. If you are dating, I can testify first hand how hard it is to leave an unbelieving boyfriend. I became a Christian while in an intimate relationship with a guy. I delayed and delayed, avoided and avoided, but there was no way to run. After the conviction was strong enough for me to break up, I was so devastated that I became suicidal. But God every time met me where I was and life-transforming miracles happened. I’m now married to a guy who loves the Lord and I’m so glad I chose God over my ex. I just wanna encourage you that if we are in Christ, all suffering is not worthy compared to the glory we have in Christ when we walk in his way. I love you as a sister and I will pray for you!
Do not fornicate, and get out while you still can. I left a relationship with a non virgin unbeliever. I dared to not fornicate with her, thank God, and was advised by a wise pastor to back out. We did kiss, and she wanted to fornicate, but I maintained self control. After that sad split, my new expectation for a suitor/marriage partner was she had to be a virgin and believer or bust. I would settle for nothing less. God provided me with a virgin bride some time later after long waiting and long suffering and against all odds as I was getting a bit older by then… now, laughter and joy some 20 years later with ecstasy, children, solid home and so much more. Marriage and family is a good as it gets in this life, but adulterate it, and it can be the worst of things….
The documents we used to forgo a marriage license was untrue but we were married because of these untrue documents. My lawyer says this is a valid reason for our marriage to be voided. But in the eyes of God are we married if we had dishonest documents?
David Pawson once remarked that he told a wife to NOT go to church without her unbelieving husband and stay with him for Sunday. When he asked, she remarked that she wants him to be her spiritual head, and lead…. You know the end result? The husband got saved and they both ended up going to church together. I would give the same advice to any woman. Going to church (various religious philosophy) never makes you complete in Christ. And follow you husband as long as you do not sin in the process and pray for his sanctification.
One helpful thing from this episode was that it highlighted how silly many of the arguments/disagreements Christians have with each other are. In some ways the answer is both yes and no.
he needed to see something about notmarrying a divorced woman now should he divorce her no bec god hates divorce . so is he in a perpetual sin of marraige that god did not condone , and what if she divorced him can he now marry anny one or woman bec she got rid of him , and what if you were married in Hawaii by a witch doctor or shamon which is my situation as we are separated now , im so con fused said VINNIE BOBARINNO
I think it is certainly the case that the Lord acknowledges marriages between non-believers because of many of the points Pastor Piper covered. That being said, I would assert a necessary qualification. There are some "marriages" that are nothing more than a celebration and codification of wickedness and evil. Marriages that are perpetrated by and for evil designs, such as forced marriages and marriages involving children, are not God-honoring and I do not believe God grants legitimacy to them. When women who lived in territories occupied by ISIS or the Taliban, for example, were forced to marry those fighters and were then subjected to brutality, rape, and slavery ... should we, as Christians, assert that these are valid marriages and that God supports them? Absolutely not. Such wickedness stains the holy and divine gift of marriage and it is certainly not something God would bless. It is evil perpetrating evil for the sake of evil under the ennobled mantle of marriage. Even in a more "civilized" setting, when a family forces a young woman to marry a man she does not know and does not love, under threat of physical violence and disownment, this is again an example of cultural wickedness perpetrating wicked practices, creating slaves, fostering abusiveness, and celebrating the dehumanization of women. I cannot see the Lord honoring or accepting such wickedness. Just because something is called "marriage" doesn't make it so nor does it automatically cover the inherent wickedness of the "relationship." Yes, I am sure we could find several examples in the Scriptures where people who were in "forced" marriages were used by God to do great things, but that is not really what we are talking about. God can and does, of course, use what men mean for evil for His good purposes and divine plan. That being said, I do not believe He honors, validates, and supports lies. Grace Community Church with John MacArthur is a church. Bethel Redding with Bill Johnson is also a "church." Does God support and validate and give grace to both simply because they are both called "churches?" Certainly not. They might bear the same title and pretend to be the same thing ... but the former is a church, the latter is a den of lies. The point is that titles and legalities alone do not trump the truth of what something is .. or is not.
If two christians get married in a church but hav not yet filed with the state are they married in God’s eyes? I have my own answer. What is your answer?
@@memowilliam9889 Yes, it is an contradictory position. If two Christians are married before the Lord on Friday, but because of some bueracratic blunder, do not receive their legal marriage certificate for two weeks, are they not married? If they are intimate with each other on their wedding night, is that fornication? Utter nonsense. The legalities of men do not trump the spiritual supremacy of the Lord. Case in point: plenty of people will get divorced, follow all the legal requirements for the dissolution of the marriage bond, and yet ... unless one of them was an unbeliever who left or unless adultery was involved, they are still married in the eyes of God. Christ said that if anyone marries a divorced person (who was divorced for any reason except adultery) they are still married in the eyes of God. Thus the "legality" of divorce has no bearing whatsoever on the actual and ultimate spiritual reality of the marriage bond still being intact. Someone will no doubt say that we must follow the laws of the land in which we live ... give to Caesar what is Caesar's and so on. That is fine and I agree in principle. Marriage was never Caesar's; I has been and will always be the divine creation and gift of the Lord.
Being married in a church, doesn't give you any special power per say? Its just a testimony for non believer, future believers and to be a exemplary to futures young Christian's to see how important testimony it is. I find as believers, we do so many thinks to reflect as testimonial Christian's
I would say No, as it must be a legal marriage. Scripture says obey the rules of the land. The rules of the land require a marriage licence. scriptures say to follow Authority also. As long as it doesn't directly violate Gods command such as homosexual marriage, that's unlawful. Also live peaceably with ALL men, thefore would it kill ya to get a marriage license? Stay blessed 🙌
Here’s one reason: I wouldn’t believe the marriage bride that’s made by men is the bride marriage of God, because God’s marriage of bride is beyond greater than the bride marriage that be of men.
I got a question! It’s always in my mind I no gif fir gives all sin I believe that . But here is my question . Day your married okay I’m happy in my marriage. But my husband has his own problems don’t want marriage counseling. But here is the question. This is what he believes. It bothers me because he thinks this way. Can you plan a sin . And you no it’s a sin your going to sin and do it . He thinks it don’t matter I’ll ask for forgiveness. I feel gif will ask you why you planned it boing it was wrong that’s just me. What dose anyone think of that?? I really need answers it bothers me.
I feel you should never plan a sin. Then ask for forgiveness. I think it’s wrong but that is where his mind set is . God forgives every sin. I do believe that. But . I do not believe you can keep planning sins and ask for forgiveness. It is wrong . I no god will judge him everyone will be judged . But who feels the same way I do ?
@@jeanniebrown3593 To me, it doesn't sound like he's a true believer. A true believer wants to please God. The works prove that the faith is real. Those works are showing that the belief is not real.
Any body else got a comment on this? Please I would love to here what people think about this. Because a sun is a sin . If you plan to sin and ask for forgiveness . Your not not a true believer and your making a joke out of god I feel . It’s very wrong I feel . We can’t even talk about it he thinks I’m wrong I feel that way but it bothers me deeply .
Yes they are as long as they are not adulterated. IE divorced and remarried. So many marriages are not marriage out there, but 100% adultery based on the teachings of Yeshua on the issue. Divorce is NOT recognized in the NT, but adultery is recognized as sin in the context of divorce and remarriage. At the same time, we read those who “practice” adultery shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. God help any and all pastors or teacher who are pro divorce (teach false exemption clause loopholes) to please the crowd rather than God. I believe they are in danger of hell’s fire based on the chapter in Galatians where we are warned collectively about the practice of sin. Pastors might not do divorce and remarriage adultery (the act) themselves, but by teaching it to others, they are in the “practice” of it nonetheless, and will be dammed accordingly. We have spent about 90% of our ministry efforts addressing this serious issue of the family and monogamy. Marriage was taken extremely seriously in Jewish culture, and this should be a wake up call to how serious God takes it and how seriously we should. Maybe they will be among the many saying, “Lord Lord” Right? Depart from me “workers of lawlessness” so those who “practice” sin. I have seen pastors in gospel preaching churches marry divorced couples who had unfinished legal issues/ business concerning money and parenting in divorce court with their separated families! Absolutely appealing that any pastor would do that in our adulterated generation.
We departed a Bible believing conservative Brethren assembly because they maintained divorce and remarriage adultery was justifiable if the right circumstances permitted. A man married a divorced married, and it was accepted by the elders….
For me I’ll say not, but because God’s bride is by powers through the name Jesus Christ; which is a reason that powers in Jesus defeats lust and temptation which is from the devil.
When two non believers get married and if one becomes a believer later, the marriage becomes legit, because one person became a believer. Scripture is clear on that. 1 Corinthians 7:14 The unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband
As a Christian. When we speak truth of the Word of God . It doesn't always bring comfort. Conviction sometime doesn't do that. If the Word is received. Change can come. That being said. We know that there are over 100 scriptures in the Bible that leads us to believe that God is not in a marriage of a unbelievers . Point blank period. It's self explained. God insulted marriage , but He's not in every marriage. Yes people can get married. You don't have to be a Bible teacher or scholar to know this . Think about what you are saying. If God is requiring you to not do something with someone because we should be Holy as He is Holy. 1 Peter 1:16 ) why would He take part in something that without Him is not Holy. Dude. They are unbelievers . How can God be in it? Ridiculous. I'll try to help you out . ( 2 Corinthians 6:14, 2 Corinthians 15: 33, 1 John 2: 15, Proverbs 13: 20, Matthew 7:6 . I can go on and on . Sir. You might be laughing at the words or the terms of words that people use , and say you don't really understand them but If it's not Holy. Ask yourself this question. Why would you tell anyone that God of the Bible is in their marriage when they have rejected God . They have not acknowledge Him as their Lord , and Savior. Why would you lie to make someone feel comfortable when the end of the day. Hell is their home if they don't repent and believe ? This is the main reason why some people don't need a social media outlet .
@Zach Edwards I have read it. And read it again. And these are the passages I'm so doubted and troubled about. I'm not married. But I love a non Christian, who's moral standards and the way he's treating me is extremely close to a Christian husbans. Of course he's not perfect. He's supportive towards my faith. Of course he attacked it in situations. Then I explained things to him and he claims it all makes sense. He doesn't know the Lord and me marrying him would probably be a disobedience.... Yet... Could he be saved or helped into salvation through me this way? It's a bit difficult...
@@foxtanii9056 do not marry a non believer. It will never end up good for you, unless the Lord has mercy. They don’t even know Christ, even as a believer meeting the standard for a husband is hard enough! 1 John 4:8 shows that you do not know love if you do not know God... do not let your heart make the decisions for you. It will be a yoke and burden around your neck to not be led by a Spirit filled husband.
Divorce is a gift, a way of escape to those whom the enemy has put his hooks on them through joining them to one of his own. It happens to unbelievers and also to those who fall away from the faith.
I just heard a divine testimony about this topic. The answer is no. God thinks differently. Accdg to the testimony, the couple should go to a bible-believing church and renew their vows because in the eyes of God they are not married. God didn’t put them together. They chose to be together and they’re not blessed by God. God has no fellowship with satanic church.
@@cov4571 With that reasoning, then all the Old Testament men of God were not married as they were not Christians. There were no Bibles in those days either. Christianity is a New Testament state before God which only started after Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was sent to form the 'body of Christ'. Your 'divine testimony' is wrong.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 I’m not referring to Old Testament marriages. God was with them. They were under the law. What i’m talking about is today. It’s alright. I’m not forcing you to believe.
@@cov4571 Why not refer to OT marriages. They were men and women of Faith just like us. They looked forward for a work to be done, we look back in Faith at a finished work of redemption. The Law was not given until Moses. What about Adam and Eve, what about Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Rebecca, Jacob and Rachel. Like I said, your 'divine testimony' is wrong.
If a couple man and wife are in a non - christian marriage for a lifetime and are loving and faithful, will they go to damnation and hell after they die and burn for eternity?
@@melissam64 That sounds like to me it isn't very belevolent God ? , my goodness just thinking of all the Catholics that are still burning in hell for eating meat on Fridays during lent , and now can .
HEY.HEY. A MARRIAGE IS A COVENANT BETWEEN A HETEROSEXUAL COUPLE TO TAKE A STAND WITH HIM. SAVED AND BAPTISED. NO GOD, NO COVENANT NO MARRIAGE. YOUR COMMAND TO RAISE GODLY CHILDREN. NO GOD NO COMMAND TO BE FULFILLED. I AM THE LORD THY GOD. THOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. GET IT AND GET IT IN YOUR HEART. RULE NUMBER 1. PERIOD
Do not be unequally yoked to unbelievers The scriptures says. that's for our own good or eles it would be difficult. However once entered into a marriage with an unbelier, it is still a marriage and you are married to that person untill death, in the new testament church
isn't unequally yoked means when the 2 have different ideas about where the marriage is leading them? having important goals such as kids and wives n believers? @@letstalkbiblewithshun.s
This is probably a not easy to answer question. And you could argue back and forth (as with millions of other questions) if a non-christian marriage is valid for God or not. No matter if the answer is yes or no, does it really matter? The dividing line between a lost sinner and a saved child of God is the important issue. Even if the answer was "yes", a valid non-christian marriage wouldn't save anybody from eternal separation from God. Only Jesus does. It's not bad at all to think about things like from time to time that but in the end (to me at least) it seems like not good use of our time when we are discussing something biblical/God related (I'm not talking about a topic that is more or less secular) but we are wasting time and energy (discussions can quickly get exhausting and emotional) when we are talking about a non-significant, non salvation related topic when you are already talking about God and the bible and therefor are so close to the Truth you didn't have to change the topic. But you can also discuss the validity of such marriages and if you agree, you go your ways and absolutely nothing has changed. And if a non-believer would hear an answer such as "no, (the biblical) God doesn't recognize non-christian marriages and he doesn't even hear their prayers", that wouldn't turn this man away from the allegedly loving God rather than closer to him.
God clearly through his word joined male and female the 2 became 1 flesh. Period. Please tell me in KJV not these ridiculous translations where GOD only joins "CHRISTIANS"? That is just ridiculous to me.
well said but if someone was properly married (two never married singles of opp. sex) and then divorced and remarried then this is not called marriage but adultery. Jesus said "marry again" because what else He should say? dating again? if the 2nd marriage was valid then Jesus wouldnt call it adultery! Its a sin and those people needs to stop living in a sin! simple. also marriage is a covenant and not a contract and every covenant involve blood just like the blood from womens hymen during wedding night - that should sumarise the fact that every marriage (even non-Christian) is valid in Gods eyes. marriage is pretty much universal with some exceptions (=same sex marriage etc).
Any and every marriage transcends the bindings and snares of any religion or profession of faith. Why we fail in this revelation, utterly, is a result of what we call the "Imago Dei," which is Latin for "The image of God." The Imago Dei is the belief that man perfects God's image as either male OR female, man OR woman. Unseating this belief and teaching as bearing any element or trace of truth is a testament of nature herself. It is what we find in nature that allows us to resolve the Imago Dei as a teaching that is false. Nature abhors waste. Nature abhors imbalance. In all things, nature always strives for balance or harmony. No more do we witness this than in the ecological cycle in which we have birth, life, death, regeneration, and the cycle begins again. No, nature is not God. And though nature is not God, it is for us to appreciate that at a minimum, she represents the merest, least, or littlest of what is of God. Meaning, that we should expect that God also abhors waste, spiritual or otherwise. And so, that we reckon how the Imago Dei is a teaching that is utterly false. It is for us to ask, if the man stands as the fullness of God's image, why the woman? Even more so, if the woman prevails as the fullness of God's image, why the man? Why the waste if either the man or woman stands as the fullness of God's image? It is on this basis of waste, as an ontological matter, ever before we consider one passage of Scripture, we settle the Imago Dei as a false teaching. And by such settlement, by such assurance, are we better to enter the teachings of the Bible with a renewed sense of purpose and understanding that we might make straight what this church has twisted. How then does this aid us to resolve non-Christian marriages as yet being of God? It lies in the reality that it is only when we prevail in the earth in the pillared pair of "male AND female" that we take part in God's image (Genesis 1:26-28). It is only when we participate in the earth as betrothed, husband and wife, and especially father and mother we partake in the reality that is God's image. Wherein we are to be utterly aware that there are three stages of this reality we affect in the pillared image of male AND female. As to the first and initial phase, there is "God's Image," in the betrothed. It is as the "betrothed" that we recognize this phase of God's image as the "prospective phase" wherein the man trains up his wife that she might declare him as someone she's willing to follow. And then there's the "participant phase" when we take on the roles of husband and wife. But there's the zenith of God's image when we affect the roles of father and mother. Why as father and mother, God's image ascends to its zenith is that it is then we affect the presence of God. By which we participate in the reality of our partaking in the LORD's Promise (John 14:23). All, of which, as to whether we prevail to realize the LORD's Promise (John 14:23), hangs on what the father teaches and commands his children. And that this condition as to whether a man's home realizes the LORD's Promise (John 14:23), hangs on the truths he instills in his children, is not conditioned on the religion or faith he professes. The difference between these three phases or stages of God's image centers on the power of the spoken word. Here, it is only necessary we give attention to the "zenith phase" as father and mother. It is only as father and mother that we affect God's presence since it is then we've taken up the obligation to train up a soul as to the way it should go. Wherein, it is by the word spoken in the house of a father and mother that serves as the standard that distinguishes those marriages that are of the LORD (John 14:23), and those that are of man. That is, we sanctify our marriage by what we teach our children and the beliefs that prevail in our home. How this pertains to marriages broadly and universally? We are to walk in the assurance that truth is not resigned or relegated to any man, people, or religion. It is possible for truth to come from any man or people. However, it falls to the church to be a witness to the truth and to that which is true. It is our obligation to walk in the earth as bearers of truth since Jesus is LORD, and LORD is synonymic with the truth. And because no other religion finds itself bound to lifting up and preserving the Light that is Jesus. We find ourselves burdened with upholding the truth and what is true, as the LORD is Truth. As to those other marriages, it is for this cause Jesus says: "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd" (John 10:16). But given how we, as Christians and children of this church, find ourselves seeking the basis upon which we foster division between men, even where it pertains to such a universal reality as marriage. It is not those who do not profess Jesus, who are of any concern. The concern is with those of us who do. Since we are the wolf-shepherd who fail in knowing what is from the beginning as it pertains to God's image. And if nature is able to rebuke our claim as to the Imago Dei as the perfection of God's image. How much even more so is the LORD troubled over our failure to be established in a truth that's ontologically revealed.
From Larry Alex Taunton: John Piper Weighs In on Trump Timothy Keller is not an evangelical anomaly. In a recent blog post, popular pastor John Piper asserts Republicans aren’t morally rigid enough. Whipping out the ultimate tool in the pastor’s complexifying toolbox, he employs biblical Greek to add authority to his case against Trump and against voting at all. (Some pastors love to do this. It is their way of saying “don’t try this at home.”) He says the president is guilty of “unrepentant sexual immorality (porneia), unrepentant boastfulness (alazoneia), unrepentant vulgarity (aischrologia), [and] unrepentant factiousness (dichostasiai).” One wonders how he knows Trump is unrepentant and precisely how he can be blamed for a factiousness. Did the president concoct a Russia collusion narrative? Did he spy on Hillary Clinton’s campaign? Did he illegally use the FBI to push false evidence? Did he do anything justifying impeachment? Did he support the looting, burning, and rioting in our streets? Did he take money from China through a family member serving as a proxy? As for his vulgarity and boastfulness, I suggest Piper get out more. Trump is fairly typical of the chest-beating, plain-speaking businessmen one finds in places like New York, New Jersey, Boston, and Philadelphia. Piper then uses a similarly fallacious argument of moral equivalence to that of Keller, suggesting that abortion is no more sinful than Trump’s hubris: I think Roe is an evil decision. I think Planned Parenthood is a code name for baby-killing and (historically at least) ethnic cleansing. And I think it is baffling and presumptuous to assume that pro-abortion policies kill more people than a culture-saturating, pro-self pride. By my count, Trump’s “self-pride” has killed no one. Indeed, he has transformed the judiciary, and in the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court there now exists the first real chance in decades to overturn the murderous Roe v. Wade decision. As president, Trump has even kept us out of silly wars, preserving yet more human life. But for Piper, Trump’s hubris is reason enough to abstain from voting. I am reminded of a quotation attributed (perhaps inaccurately) to George Orwell: “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” Orwell or not, the sentiment is true. Like many of those who do violence on our behalf for the sake of our freedom, Trump is a rough man. That’s too much for Piper. Oddly, Piper represents a segment of the evangelical population that demands his president bear the characteristics of an elder, pastor, or high priest. This runs counter to the biblical narrative. I am thinking of how the Lord used not merely ungodly kings, but outright pagan kings like Nebuchadnezzar and Darius to render justice on behalf of his people. In Esther chapters 4-8 we see Mordecai, a Jew, appeal to King Xerxes through his queen, Esther, to save the Jews from the plot of Haman. The king responds decisively and destroys the plotters. This story is not altogether different from the situation we face insofar as the lives of the unborn are at stake to say nothing of where the Left’s radical agenda will lead us as a nation. But in Piper’s estimation, Xerxes is no better than Haman. There is a difference between private sin and public policy, and it would be foolish to confuse the two. Does Piper make the same demands of his barber, his mechanic, his accountant, or his surgeon? Or does he look for someone who can do the job competently? Conclusion Tim Keller and John Piper have had long, fruitful ministries. No doubt both are under a great deal of pressure to declare decisively on this election. Moreover, Keller is battling pancreatic cancer and deserves our prayers and well wishes. That said, I believe both are egregiously wrong in this instance. Matthew 24:24 tells us the time will come when even the elect will be led astray. Such is the power of the “social justice” lie. Like Satan masquerading as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), social justice-in this case, the thin end of a socialist wedge-holds out the hope of heaven on earth. But it cannot deliver on such promises. In her book The Russian Revolution, historian Sheila Fitzpatrick superbly characterizes the socialist revolutionary spirit: All revolutions have liberté, égalité, fraternité, and other noble slogans inscribed on their banners. All revolutionaries are enthusiasts, zealots; all are utopians, with dreams of creating a new world in which the injustice, corruption, and apathy of the old world are banished forever. They are intolerant of disagreement; incapable of compromise; mesmerized by big, distant goals; violent, suspicious, destructive. … They have the intoxicating illusion of personifying the will of the people, which means they assume the people is monolithic. They are Manicheans, dividing the world into two camps: light and darkness, the revolution and its enemies. They despise all traditions, received wisdom, icons, and superstition. They believe society can be tabula rasa on which the revolution will write. It is the nature of revolutions to end in disillusionment and disappointment.… All revolutions destroy things whose loss is soon regretted. It is the nature of socialist revolutions to end in “disillusionment and disappointment” because, as we have already noted, they begin with the wrong premise: there is no God. * * * * * The forces of darkness threaten to engulf this land as they have engulfed so many before it. They cannot be allowed to succeed. But if good men and women do nothing, how can we expect a different result? Let us exercise our freedom to choose our leaders judiciously as we pray for our nation. Larry Alex Taunton
I voted for Trump in 2020. I would again. Last time I checked, Piper is human and is wrong sometimes. In this case he was actually right about Trump, he (at least was) all of those things.
Men created marriage so that they could own women as being their personal property. The word "sin" was also created by men of religion that wanted us to believe that a god existed that was judging us.
God created Marriage you can see that with Adam and eve . He created Marriage as a gift, it was man who corrupted it . Sin was not created by man or religion The first being to sin was Satan. Sin isn't just a word its literally harming and killing people destroying relationships Marriage its even affecting you with bitterness. God never created sin , because sin is not with God it goes against him and God hates sin because look what it did to us , look all around you , you see people dieing people getting abusive manipulated etc . Jesus died on the cross for all of us but it is up to us to accept the free gift of salvation
@@apologeticministry They are all myths created by men, to serve their own selfish purposes. The myth Adam and Lilith stemmed from Judaism, and the Christians created the new myth of Adam and Eve. If you believe that a god created Adam, and then created Eve out of Adam's rib, and that the god wanted them to marry ... that would incest. If you take apart the silly stories, you will see that they were, and are, nothing other than man created myths.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you have to be a flaming atheist, how about women created marriage so they'd have committed help in raising her children.
@@junevandermark952 The world is what's feeding you lies. From goo to you by way of the zoo. Your ancestors were not a spontaneously occurring bacteria. It all takes faith.
The basic point is: Marriage wasn't given to "Christians", it was given to humanity as a whole, in Genesis 2. When Adam and Eve sinned, they were still married. They should remain married, they shouldn't have sexual activities outside of their own relationship, etc.
Just like work was given to humans, not just to Christians. Unbelievers have the God given responsability to "subdue the Earth" and to live from it.
So yes, unbelievers should be marrying each other, and believers should be marrying each other.
Pastor John Piper, you’re awesome. Praise the Lord for him using you to deliver the message.
Please try not to stroke the egos of pastors and teachers….we strive to always maintain lowliest of stances.
@@SaanichtonMinistries this is a free country and if I want to give someone a complement, I will. Thank you very much. A complement is not stroking anyone’s ego.
Thank you for our daily bread Lord. Love you Lord and thy percepts.
May the peace of the Lord be with you, now and forever more, amen
Thé scripture that comes to mind is
« Without faith it’s impossible to please God »
amazing message, as always
This is Pastor John "at his best" (as it were) .... taking a lifetime devoted to understanding the Bible and following Christ... and applying it to real life questions/problems/situations...............
........... this particular question didn't really interest me much, but I figured Pastor John would have something good to say... and as usual he way exceeded my expectations :)
"That which God has joined together let no man cast asunder."
What about those who God has NOT joined together, those that (he that is in the world) has brought together?
Very good response.
Very good point indeed, without definition, what are we talking about?
A lot of arguments can be shortened by having definitions.
From the states point of view, marriage is about legal rights, plights, protections, expectations, taxations and so on. That is THEIR definition.
Religious people have other definitions they work with. Their definitions are based upon their faith.
Amen Powerful
Should we as Christians attend a Catholic wedding, first communion or baptism? Some pastors say that it is allowed as long as you don’t participate in the actual service, etc. Others say that we should offer our congratulations with a gift but we shouldn’t attend because that is a sign of approval. Which one is it?
I've witnessed a marriage where the couple are in the church but did not begin in Christ nor are fully in Christ. I was initially strongly opposed to the mercy of the church letting the couple stay together knowing it's God who unites a couple rather than mankind, but I now understand what's of significance. That we are in a fallen world where sin causes us to do foolish things escapes me at times. A started marriage without the hand of God is much like the consequences of sin in perpetuation, and so, I am pained because this couple cannot say, "God united us", but what's of more importance is the salvation of them both. I initially had no hope for their salvation given their marriage, but I see God is so merciful and powerful as to still be able to reach out to them so that they may believe in Christ Jesus.
More grace sir...
Whether or not it is a believer living in an area God will still shine his lovely sun.
Whether or not it is a believer that sowed in that field God will still give his blessed rain.
Whether or not the land is full of sinners God will not stop giving air for the inhabitants to breathe.
God acknowledges man (human) as man (human)...
Yet all these will not for once change the decision of God to judge the wicked once his hour of grace is over.
Part of the intension of God is that reproduction (a part of his purpose for marriage) and core responsibilities attached to it should be done within the confines of marriage; when unbelievers honour this wisdom (on marriage) from God he accepts it as from the assigned creatures of his - as God assigned marriages to men... This all the same would not, as noted earlier, change God's final judgement plans against them should they not accept his provision of redemption for them before their expiry on earth, though he acknowledges their properly carried out marriage.
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it is a pretty clear cut answer....yes, because no one, on conversion is ask to remarry, or leave that relationship...
Yes! as long as they are according to the Law of the land.
Hello pastor John! I have a question but i dont kwon were to put it or how send it to you... can you please help me?
People who ask that question need to read their Bibles in all love…..
If one of them comes to the faith, they would be subject to the rules of one being in faith and the other not, which means that the marriage is still valid before God, even if the marriage began before conversion.
Define the terms.
Yeah ofc they are look at the Old Testament Potiphar and his wife were considered marrried in the eyes of the Lord. The Egyptians were pagans and yet God still viewed them as married. So yeah Gods principles of marriage are applicable to all and so is his standard for it. The terms for divorce and remarriage stand with all and will judge all because we are judged by Gods words. They are the ultimatum and the conclusion for all.
Please, repent to the Lord Jesus for your blasphemy.
Amen!
@@ladyhumblebee2784 I don't understand how i spoke blasphemy here....
the bible identifies Potiphar's spouse as his wife...this passage is from genesis 39.
The context of it is taken from the fact that jose0h is working for potiphar.
genesis 39 verse 7
And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
see here the bible identifies that potiphar is married qnd potiphars wife tries to cause joseph tp commit adultery.
in the next verse it identofoes potiphar as married again in verse 8
But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
here again it identifies her as the master's wife.....joseph even identifies it as a wrong act as he refuses to lie with her as he knows its wrong and also a betrayal of the trust he has with potiphar whom entrusted him with more things...
furthermore, the bible says that we are to obey the laws of the land. so if you register a marriage via the state an dit os your first time getting married then legally by law and in the eyes of God you are marrier because God wantw Christians to obey the laws of the land they live in so if two non believers get married via the state law then they are married legqlly qn dif it is their first time getti g married then in the eyes of jesus they are married.
Pastor John.. I am involved in a relationship with a non believer. It is difficult to leave
Pick up your cross and follow Jesus. I'm going to assume you're dating and not married. A non believer will always turn you from God, they will never understand that Jesus is #1 in your life. They can't share in the joy of the Lord with you. How can you have a relationship with someone and you can't share your greatest treasure, Jesus Christ. How can he lead you if he is following the ways of Satan? Seek the Lord and let his love and desires for you change your heart toward this person.
Hey Pamela! I admire your courage to share! If you are married, I strongly encourage you to get involved in a biblically founded church and seek help from there. Marriage is never something you and your husband would walk alone on. The church community is to come along side to pray, teach, rebuke, comfort and help.
If you are dating, I can testify first hand how hard it is to leave an unbelieving boyfriend. I became a Christian while in an intimate relationship with a guy. I delayed and delayed, avoided and avoided, but there was no way to run. After the conviction was strong enough for me to break up, I was so devastated that I became suicidal. But God every time met me where I was and life-transforming miracles happened. I’m now married to a guy who loves the Lord and I’m so glad I chose God over my ex. I just wanna encourage you that if we are in Christ, all suffering is not worthy compared to the glory we have in Christ when we walk in his way. I love you as a sister and I will pray for you!
If you're not married, be strong and leave.
I was in your situation last month but my partner got saved a week before i planned to do it-it's hard but do it cuz there's no real long term goal
Do not fornicate, and get out while you still can. I left a relationship with a non virgin unbeliever. I dared to not fornicate with her, thank God, and was advised by a wise pastor to back out. We did kiss, and she wanted to fornicate, but I maintained self control. After that sad split, my new expectation for a suitor/marriage partner was she had to be a virgin and believer or bust. I would settle for nothing less. God provided me with a virgin bride some time later after long waiting and long suffering and against all odds as I was getting a bit older by then… now, laughter and joy some 20 years later with ecstasy, children, solid home and so much more. Marriage and family is a good as it gets in this life, but adulterate it, and it can be the worst of things….
Does that mean we can do anything as along as we believe in JC?
The documents we used to forgo a marriage license was untrue but we were married because of these untrue documents. My lawyer says this is a valid reason for our marriage to be voided. But in the eyes of God are we married if we had dishonest documents?
Marriage is honourable in all
Scripture says
What about when lgbt people take part in it?
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ROMS1 26.27
Mentions unnatural relationships
So gods ordained marriage is male female
@@angloaust1575 I agree. I just like to see how others reply to that.
David Pawson once remarked that he told a wife to NOT go to church without her unbelieving husband and stay with him for Sunday. When he asked, she remarked that she wants him to be her spiritual head, and lead…. You know the end result? The husband got saved and they both ended up going to church together. I would give the same advice to any woman. Going to church (various religious philosophy) never makes you complete in Christ. And follow you husband as long as you do not sin in the process and pray for his sanctification.
One helpful thing from this episode was that it highlighted how silly many of the arguments/disagreements Christians have with each other are.
In some ways the answer is both yes and no.
he needed to see something about notmarrying a divorced woman now should he divorce her no bec god hates divorce . so is he in a perpetual sin of marraige that god did not condone , and what if she divorced him can he now marry anny one or woman bec she got rid of him , and what if you were married in Hawaii by a witch doctor or shamon which is my situation as we are separated now , im so con fused said VINNIE BOBARINNO
I think it is certainly the case that the Lord acknowledges marriages between non-believers because of many of the points Pastor Piper covered. That being said, I would assert a necessary qualification. There are some "marriages" that are nothing more than a celebration and codification of wickedness and evil. Marriages that are perpetrated by and for evil designs, such as forced marriages and marriages involving children, are not God-honoring and I do not believe God grants legitimacy to them.
When women who lived in territories occupied by ISIS or the Taliban, for example, were forced to marry those fighters and were then subjected to brutality, rape, and slavery ... should we, as Christians, assert that these are valid marriages and that God supports them? Absolutely not. Such wickedness stains the holy and divine gift of marriage and it is certainly not something God would bless. It is evil perpetrating evil for the sake of evil under the ennobled mantle of marriage.
Even in a more "civilized" setting, when a family forces a young woman to marry a man she does not know and does not love, under threat of physical violence and disownment, this is again an example of cultural wickedness perpetrating wicked practices, creating slaves, fostering abusiveness, and celebrating the dehumanization of women. I cannot see the Lord honoring or accepting such wickedness. Just because something is called "marriage" doesn't make it so nor does it automatically cover the inherent wickedness of the "relationship."
Yes, I am sure we could find several examples in the Scriptures where people who were in "forced" marriages were used by God to do great things, but that is not really what we are talking about. God can and does, of course, use what men mean for evil for His good purposes and divine plan. That being said, I do not believe He honors, validates, and supports lies. Grace Community Church with John MacArthur is a church. Bethel Redding with Bill Johnson is also a "church." Does God support and validate and give grace to both simply because they are both called "churches?" Certainly not. They might bear the same title and pretend to be the same thing ... but the former is a church, the latter is a den of lies. The point is that titles and legalities alone do not trump the truth of what something is .. or is not.
JESUS CHRIST MADE IT CLEAR..
how can God Hear non prayers . he does but he doesn't recognize it ,,,,,,ok ,,,,ok
There's a difference between marriage and holy matrimony
If two christians get married in a church but hav not yet filed with the state are they married in God’s eyes?
I have my own answer.
What is your answer?
Absolutely they are. Legalities merely document that the bond has occurred ... they are not the bond itself.
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Agreed. But i know Christians that disagree - much to my sadness.
@@memowilliam9889 Yes, it is an contradictory position. If two Christians are married before the Lord on Friday, but because of some bueracratic blunder, do not receive their legal marriage certificate for two weeks, are they not married? If they are intimate with each other on their wedding night, is that fornication? Utter nonsense.
The legalities of men do not trump the spiritual supremacy of the Lord. Case in point: plenty of people will get divorced, follow all the legal requirements for the dissolution of the marriage bond, and yet ... unless one of them was an unbeliever who left or unless adultery was involved, they are still married in the eyes of God.
Christ said that if anyone marries a divorced person (who was divorced for any reason except adultery) they are still married in the eyes of God. Thus the "legality" of divorce has no bearing whatsoever on the actual and ultimate spiritual reality of the marriage bond still being intact.
Someone will no doubt say that we must follow the laws of the land in which we live ... give to Caesar what is Caesar's and so on. That is fine and I agree in principle. Marriage was never Caesar's; I has been and will always be the divine creation and gift of the Lord.
Being married in a church, doesn't give you any special power per say?
Its just a testimony for non believer, future believers and to be a exemplary to futures young Christian's to see how important testimony it is.
I find as believers, we do so many thinks to reflect as testimonial Christian's
I would say No, as it must be a legal marriage. Scripture says obey the rules of the land. The rules of the land require a marriage licence. scriptures say to follow Authority also. As long as it doesn't directly violate Gods command such as homosexual marriage, that's unlawful.
Also live peaceably with ALL men, thefore would it kill ya to get a marriage license? Stay blessed 🙌
Here’s one reason: I wouldn’t believe the marriage bride that’s made by men is the bride marriage of God, because God’s marriage of bride is beyond greater than the bride marriage that be of men.
So then people should not divorce out of a second marriage because it's a real marriage, right?
Well for worldly applications one probably should, like change of names, property split, etc.
It is not a real marriage its adultery. Follow jesus and no preacher read corinthians 7
I got a question! It’s always in my mind I no gif fir gives all sin I believe that . But here is my question . Day your married okay I’m happy in my marriage. But my husband has his own problems don’t want marriage counseling. But here is the question. This is what he believes. It bothers me because he thinks this way. Can you plan a sin . And you no it’s a sin your going to sin and do it . He thinks it don’t matter I’ll ask for forgiveness. I feel gif will ask you why you planned it boing it was wrong that’s just me. What dose anyone think of that?? I really need answers it bothers me.
I feel you should never plan a sin. Then ask for forgiveness. I think it’s wrong but that is where his mind set is . God forgives every sin. I do believe that. But . I do not believe you can keep planning sins and ask for forgiveness. It is wrong . I no god will judge him everyone will be judged . But who feels the same way I do ?
@@jeanniebrown3593 To me, it doesn't sound like he's a true believer. A true believer wants to please God. The works prove that the faith is real. Those works are showing that the belief is not real.
Any body else got a comment on this? Please I would love to here what people think about this. Because a sun is a sin . If you plan to sin and ask for forgiveness . Your not not a true believer and your making a joke out of god I feel . It’s very wrong I feel . We can’t even talk about it he thinks I’m wrong I feel that way but it bothers me deeply .
Yes they are as long as they are not adulterated. IE divorced and remarried. So many marriages are not marriage out there, but 100% adultery based on the teachings of Yeshua on the issue. Divorce is NOT recognized in the NT, but adultery is recognized as sin in the context of divorce and remarriage. At the same time, we read those who “practice” adultery shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. God help any and all pastors or teacher who are pro divorce (teach false exemption clause loopholes) to please the crowd rather than God. I believe they are in danger of hell’s fire based on the chapter in Galatians where we are warned collectively about the practice of sin. Pastors might not do divorce and remarriage adultery (the act) themselves, but by teaching it to others, they are in the “practice” of it nonetheless, and will be dammed accordingly. We have spent about 90% of our ministry efforts addressing this serious issue of the family and monogamy. Marriage was taken extremely seriously in Jewish culture, and this should be a wake up call to how serious God takes it and how seriously we should. Maybe they will be among the many saying, “Lord Lord” Right? Depart from me “workers of lawlessness” so those who “practice” sin. I have seen pastors in gospel preaching churches marry divorced couples who had unfinished legal issues/ business concerning money and parenting in divorce court with their separated families! Absolutely appealing that any pastor would do that in our adulterated generation.
We departed a Bible believing conservative Brethren assembly because they maintained divorce and remarriage adultery was justifiable if the right circumstances permitted. A man married a divorced married, and it was accepted by the elders….
People need to choose what and who they love more….God and His will and Word, or divorce and remarriage adultery… choose wisely!
Precepting law.
Of course all marriages are sacred. But in Jesus they are not only sacred but secure and blessed. Everyones better off with Jesus than without Him✝️
explain more: secure and blessed
For me I’ll say not, but because God’s bride is by powers through the name Jesus Christ; which is a reason that powers in Jesus defeats lust and temptation which is from the devil.
Well yes - if they commit adultery then that's a sin attributed to them so it is something I believe God recognizes
When two non believers get married and if one becomes a believer later, the marriage becomes legit, because one person became a believer. Scripture is clear on that. 1 Corinthians 7:14 The unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband
As a Christian. When we speak truth of the Word of God . It doesn't always bring comfort. Conviction sometime doesn't do that. If the Word is received. Change can come. That being said. We know that there are over 100 scriptures in the Bible that leads us to believe that God is not in a marriage of a unbelievers . Point blank period. It's self explained. God insulted marriage , but He's not in every marriage. Yes people can get married. You don't have to be a Bible teacher or scholar to know this . Think about what you are saying. If God is requiring you to not do something with someone because we should be Holy as He is Holy. 1 Peter 1:16 ) why would He take part in something that without Him is not Holy. Dude. They are unbelievers . How can God be in it? Ridiculous. I'll try to help you out . ( 2 Corinthians 6:14, 2 Corinthians 15: 33, 1 John 2: 15, Proverbs 13: 20, Matthew 7:6 . I can go on and on . Sir. You might be laughing at the words or the terms of words that people use , and say you don't really understand them but If it's not Holy. Ask yourself this question. Why would you tell anyone that God of the Bible is in their marriage when they have rejected God . They have not acknowledge Him as their Lord , and Savior. Why would you lie to make someone feel comfortable when the end of the day. Hell is their home if they don't repent and believe ? This is the main reason why some people don't need a social media outlet .
And what if a Christian marries a non Christian?
@Zach Edwards I have read it. And read it again. And these are the passages I'm so doubted and troubled about. I'm not married. But I love a non Christian, who's moral standards and the way he's treating me is extremely close to a Christian husbans. Of course he's not perfect. He's supportive towards my faith. Of course he attacked it in situations. Then I explained things to him and he claims it all makes sense. He doesn't know the Lord and me marrying him would probably be a disobedience.... Yet... Could he be saved or helped into salvation through me this way? It's a bit difficult...
@@foxtanii9056 do not marry a non believer. It will never end up good for you, unless the Lord has mercy. They don’t even know Christ, even as a believer meeting the standard for a husband is hard enough! 1 John 4:8 shows that you do not know love if you do not know God... do not let your heart make the decisions for you. It will be a yoke and burden around your neck to not be led by a Spirit filled husband.
@@sovereigngrace9723 thank you Chris. I know... I really want him to be delivered regardless of us being or not being together
Divorce is a gift, a way of escape to those whom the enemy has put his hooks on them through joining them to one of his own. It happens to unbelievers and also to those who fall away from the faith.
Of course they are. God's standards are not just for Christians, they are for all mankind.
I just heard a divine testimony about this topic. The answer is no. God thinks differently. Accdg to the testimony, the couple should go to a bible-believing church and renew their vows because in the eyes of God they are not married. God didn’t put them together. They chose to be together and they’re not blessed by God. God has no fellowship with satanic church.
@@cov4571 With that reasoning, then all the Old Testament men of God were not married as they were not Christians. There were no Bibles in those days either. Christianity is a New Testament state before God which only started after Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was sent to form the 'body of Christ'. Your 'divine testimony' is wrong.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 I’m not referring to Old Testament marriages. God was with them. They were under the law. What i’m talking about is today. It’s alright. I’m not forcing you to believe.
@@cov4571 Why not refer to OT marriages. They were men and women of Faith just like us. They looked forward for a work to be done, we look back in Faith at a finished work of redemption. The Law was not given until Moses. What about Adam and Eve, what about Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Rebecca, Jacob and Rachel. Like I said, your 'divine testimony' is wrong.
Figures.
If a couple man and wife are in a non - christian marriage for a lifetime and are loving and faithful, will they go to damnation and hell after they die and burn for eternity?
Yes they will burn in hell for eternity because they are non Christian. Jesus will say “depart from me, I never knew you”
@@melissam64 That sounds like to me it isn't very belevolent God ? , my goodness just thinking of all the Catholics that are still burning in hell for eating meat on Fridays during lent , and now can .
HEY.HEY. A MARRIAGE IS A COVENANT BETWEEN A HETEROSEXUAL COUPLE TO TAKE A STAND WITH HIM. SAVED AND BAPTISED. NO GOD, NO COVENANT NO MARRIAGE. YOUR COMMAND TO RAISE GODLY CHILDREN. NO GOD NO COMMAND TO BE FULFILLED. I AM THE LORD THY GOD. THOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. GET IT AND GET IT IN YOUR HEART. RULE NUMBER 1. PERIOD
Can a Christian marry a non Christian?
Do not be unequally yoked to unbelievers
The scriptures says. that's for our own good or eles it would be difficult. However once entered into a marriage with an unbelier, it is still a marriage and you are married to that person untill death, in the new testament church
isn't unequally yoked means when the 2 have different ideas about where the marriage is leading them? having important goals such as kids and wives n believers?
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This is probably a not easy to answer question. And you could argue back and forth (as with millions of other questions) if a non-christian marriage is valid for God or not. No matter if the answer is yes or no, does it really matter? The dividing line between a lost sinner and a saved child of God is the important issue. Even if the answer was "yes", a valid non-christian marriage wouldn't save anybody from eternal separation from God. Only Jesus does.
It's not bad at all to think about things like from time to time that but in the end (to me at least) it seems like not good use of our time when we are discussing something biblical/God related (I'm not talking about a topic that is more or less secular) but we are wasting time and energy (discussions can quickly get exhausting and emotional) when we are talking about a non-significant, non salvation related topic when you are already talking about God and the bible and therefor are so close to the Truth you didn't have to change the topic. But you can also discuss the validity of such marriages and if you agree, you go your ways and absolutely nothing has changed.
And if a non-believer would hear an answer such as "no, (the biblical) God doesn't recognize non-christian marriages and he doesn't even hear their prayers", that wouldn't turn this man away from the allegedly loving God rather than closer to him.
God clearly through his word joined male and female the 2 became 1 flesh. Period. Please tell me in KJV not these ridiculous translations where GOD only joins "CHRISTIANS"? That is just ridiculous to me.
well said but if someone was properly married (two never married singles of opp. sex) and then divorced and remarried then this is not called marriage but adultery. Jesus said "marry again" because what else He should say? dating again? if the 2nd marriage was valid then Jesus wouldnt call it adultery! Its a sin and those people needs to stop living in a sin! simple.
also marriage is a covenant and not a contract and every covenant involve blood just like the blood from womens hymen during wedding night - that should sumarise the fact that every marriage (even non-Christian) is valid in Gods eyes. marriage is pretty much universal with some exceptions (=same sex marriage etc).
Any and every marriage transcends the bindings and snares of any religion or profession of faith. Why we fail in this revelation, utterly, is a result of what we call the "Imago Dei," which is Latin for "The image of God." The Imago Dei is the belief that man perfects God's image as either male OR female, man OR woman. Unseating this belief and teaching as bearing any element or trace of truth is a testament of nature herself.
It is what we find in nature that allows us to resolve the Imago Dei as a teaching that is false. Nature abhors waste. Nature abhors imbalance. In all things, nature always strives for balance or harmony. No more do we witness this than in the ecological cycle in which we have birth, life, death, regeneration, and the cycle begins again.
No, nature is not God. And though nature is not God, it is for us to appreciate that at a minimum, she represents the merest, least, or littlest of what is of God. Meaning, that we should expect that God also abhors waste, spiritual or otherwise.
And so, that we reckon how the Imago Dei is a teaching that is utterly false. It is for us to ask, if the man stands as the fullness of God's image, why the woman? Even more so, if the woman prevails as the fullness of God's image, why the man? Why the waste if either the man or woman stands as the fullness of God's image? It is on this basis of waste, as an ontological matter, ever before we consider one passage of Scripture, we settle the Imago Dei as a false teaching. And by such settlement, by such assurance, are we better to enter the teachings of the Bible with a renewed sense of purpose and understanding that we might make straight what this church has twisted.
How then does this aid us to resolve non-Christian marriages as yet being of God? It lies in the reality that it is only when we prevail in the earth in the pillared pair of "male AND female" that we take part in God's image (Genesis 1:26-28). It is only when we participate in the earth as betrothed, husband and wife, and especially father and mother we partake in the reality that is God's image. Wherein we are to be utterly aware that there are three stages of this reality we affect in the pillared image of male AND female.
As to the first and initial phase, there is "God's Image," in the betrothed. It is as the "betrothed" that we recognize this phase of God's image as the "prospective phase" wherein the man trains up his wife that she might declare him as someone she's willing to follow. And then there's the "participant phase" when we take on the roles of husband and wife. But there's the zenith of God's image when we affect the roles of father and mother.
Why as father and mother, God's image ascends to its zenith is that it is then we affect the presence of God. By which we participate in the reality of our partaking in the LORD's Promise (John 14:23). All, of which, as to whether we prevail to realize the LORD's Promise (John 14:23), hangs on what the father teaches and commands his children. And that this condition as to whether a man's home realizes the LORD's Promise (John 14:23), hangs on the truths he instills in his children, is not conditioned on the religion or faith he professes.
The difference between these three phases or stages of God's image centers on the power of the spoken word. Here, it is only necessary we give attention to the "zenith phase" as father and mother. It is only as father and mother that we affect God's presence since it is then we've taken up the obligation to train up a soul as to the way it should go. Wherein, it is by the word spoken in the house of a father and mother that serves as the standard that distinguishes those marriages that are of the LORD (John 14:23), and those that are of man. That is, we sanctify our marriage by what we teach our children and the beliefs that prevail in our home.
How this pertains to marriages broadly and universally? We are to walk in the assurance that truth is not resigned or relegated to any man, people, or religion. It is possible for truth to come from any man or people. However, it falls to the church to be a witness to the truth and to that which is true. It is our obligation to walk in the earth as bearers of truth since Jesus is LORD, and LORD is synonymic with the truth. And because no other religion finds itself bound to lifting up and preserving the Light that is Jesus. We find ourselves burdened with upholding the truth and what is true, as the LORD is Truth.
As to those other marriages, it is for this cause Jesus says: "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd" (John 10:16).
But given how we, as Christians and children of this church, find ourselves seeking the basis upon which we foster division between men, even where it pertains to such a universal reality as marriage. It is not those who do not profess Jesus, who are of any concern. The concern is with those of us who do. Since we are the wolf-shepherd who fail in knowing what is from the beginning as it pertains to God's image. And if nature is able to rebuke our claim as to the Imago Dei as the perfection of God's image. How much even more so is the LORD troubled over our failure to be established in a truth that's ontologically revealed.
From Larry Alex Taunton: John Piper Weighs In on Trump
Timothy Keller is not an evangelical anomaly. In a recent blog post, popular pastor John Piper asserts Republicans aren’t morally rigid enough. Whipping out the ultimate tool in the pastor’s complexifying toolbox, he employs biblical Greek to add authority to his case against Trump and against voting at all. (Some pastors love to do this. It is their way of saying “don’t try this at home.”) He says the president is guilty of “unrepentant sexual immorality (porneia), unrepentant boastfulness (alazoneia), unrepentant vulgarity (aischrologia), [and] unrepentant factiousness (dichostasiai).”
One wonders how he knows Trump is unrepentant and precisely how he can be blamed for a factiousness. Did the president concoct a Russia collusion narrative? Did he spy on Hillary Clinton’s campaign? Did he illegally use the FBI to push false evidence? Did he do anything justifying impeachment? Did he support the looting, burning, and rioting in our streets? Did he take money from China through a family member serving as a proxy? As for his vulgarity and boastfulness, I suggest Piper get out more. Trump is fairly typical of the chest-beating, plain-speaking businessmen one finds in places like New York, New Jersey, Boston, and Philadelphia.
Piper then uses a similarly fallacious argument of moral equivalence to that of Keller, suggesting that abortion is no more sinful than Trump’s hubris:
I think Roe is an evil decision. I think Planned Parenthood is a code name for baby-killing and (historically at least) ethnic cleansing. And I think it is baffling and presumptuous to assume that pro-abortion policies kill more people than a culture-saturating, pro-self pride.
By my count, Trump’s “self-pride” has killed no one. Indeed, he has transformed the judiciary, and in the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court there now exists the first real chance in decades to overturn the murderous Roe v. Wade decision. As president, Trump has even kept us out of silly wars, preserving yet more human life. But for Piper, Trump’s hubris is reason enough to abstain from voting.
I am reminded of a quotation attributed (perhaps inaccurately) to George Orwell:
“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
Orwell or not, the sentiment is true. Like many of those who do violence on our behalf for the sake of our freedom, Trump is a rough man. That’s too much for Piper. Oddly, Piper represents a segment of the evangelical population that demands his president bear the characteristics of an elder, pastor, or high priest. This runs counter to the biblical narrative.
I am thinking of how the Lord used not merely ungodly kings, but outright pagan kings like Nebuchadnezzar and Darius to render justice on behalf of his people. In Esther chapters 4-8 we see Mordecai, a Jew, appeal to King Xerxes through his queen, Esther, to save the Jews from the plot of Haman. The king responds decisively and destroys the plotters. This story is not altogether different from the situation we face insofar as the lives of the unborn are at stake to say nothing of where the Left’s radical agenda will lead us as a nation. But in Piper’s estimation, Xerxes is no better than Haman.
There is a difference between private sin and public policy, and it would be foolish to confuse the two. Does Piper make the same demands of his barber, his mechanic, his accountant, or his surgeon? Or does he look for someone who can do the job competently?
Conclusion
Tim Keller and John Piper have had long, fruitful ministries. No doubt both are under a great deal of pressure to declare decisively on this election. Moreover, Keller is battling pancreatic cancer and deserves our prayers and well wishes.
That said, I believe both are egregiously wrong in this instance. Matthew 24:24 tells us the time will come when even the elect will be led astray. Such is the power of the “social justice” lie. Like Satan masquerading as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), social justice-in this case, the thin end of a socialist wedge-holds out the hope of heaven on earth. But it cannot deliver on such promises. In her book The Russian Revolution, historian Sheila Fitzpatrick superbly characterizes the socialist revolutionary spirit:
All revolutions have liberté, égalité, fraternité, and other noble slogans inscribed on their banners. All revolutionaries are enthusiasts, zealots; all are utopians, with dreams of creating a new world in which the injustice, corruption, and apathy of the old world are banished forever. They are intolerant of disagreement; incapable of compromise; mesmerized by big, distant goals; violent, suspicious, destructive. … They have the intoxicating illusion of personifying the will of the people, which means they assume the people is monolithic. They are Manicheans, dividing the world into two camps: light and darkness, the revolution and its enemies. They despise all traditions, received wisdom, icons, and superstition. They believe society can be tabula rasa on which the revolution will write. It is the nature of revolutions to end in disillusionment and disappointment.… All revolutions destroy things whose loss is soon regretted.
It is the nature of socialist revolutions to end in “disillusionment and disappointment” because, as we have already noted, they begin with the wrong premise: there is no God.
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The forces of darkness threaten to engulf this land as they have engulfed so many before it. They cannot be allowed to succeed. But if good men and women do nothing, how can we expect a different result? Let us exercise our freedom to choose our leaders judiciously as we pray for our nation.
Larry Alex Taunton
I voted for Trump in 2020. I would again. Last time I checked, Piper is human and is wrong sometimes. In this case he was actually right about Trump, he (at least was) all of those things.
God has no religion
Men created marriage so that they could own women as being their personal property. The word "sin" was also created by men of religion that wanted us to believe that a god existed that was judging us.
God created Marriage you can see that with Adam and eve . He created Marriage as a gift, it was man who corrupted it . Sin was not created by man or religion The first being to sin was Satan. Sin isn't just a word its literally harming and killing people destroying relationships Marriage its even affecting you with bitterness. God never created sin , because sin is not with God it goes against him and God hates sin because look what it did to us , look all around you , you see people dieing people getting abusive manipulated etc .
Jesus died on the cross for all of us but it is up to us to accept the free gift of salvation
@@apologeticministry They are all myths created by men, to serve their own selfish purposes. The myth Adam and Lilith stemmed from Judaism, and the Christians created the new myth of Adam and Eve.
If you believe that a god created Adam, and then created Eve out of Adam's rib, and that the god wanted them to marry ... that would incest.
If you take apart the silly stories, you will see that they were, and are, nothing other than man created myths.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you have to be a flaming atheist, how about women created marriage so they'd have committed help in raising her children.
@@junevandermark952 The world is what's feeding you lies. From goo to you by way of the zoo. Your ancestors were not a spontaneously occurring bacteria. It all takes faith.
@@junevandermark952 You think Jews didn't call the first man and woman Adam and Eve? That's pretty bizarre. Lilith? What are you smoking.