The IRON WARRIORS Legion in the HORUS HERESY | Legion IV : Origins & Lore
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- čas přidán 27. 04. 2022
- Let's continue our series on the Legions of the Horus Heresy with the fourth legion, the Iron Warriors. Many Legions changed over the course of the Heresy as their Primarchs remoulded them in their image, all except for the Fourth...
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Fun fact only 1 in 10 Iron Warriors realised Perturabo was bad news for the Legion.
Yea but that info had to be beaten in to them
@@ARKWOLF20000 And they took that info to the grave with them
“The Iron Warriors were fans of ANY technique that would speed up astartes production” …oh. Oh no.
I’m sure even Purtarobo wouldn’t like that 🤰
oh noooo.... why dear Emperor.... WHYY !
Ahhh the Daemonculaba...still the most horrible thing this setting has ever come up with
@@PopeMetallicus So far! :D
If you know you know... and are worse off for it.
Perturabo: Hey Dorn, I bet you can't grind your legion into this trap I created for you to the point that you need to pile your own dead bodies to cross ditches and scale walls!
Rogal Dorn: Oh yeah?! I bet I can!
"The Horus Heresy is the founding myth of the Warhammer 40000 setting." - I never thought of it like this but it is so simple and true. Very well phrased.
Yeah, I actually spent a few years deliberately not reading the HH books and avoiding all spoilers. It was because I had always accepted that the HH was basically a mythological event that was never meant to be understood and known and studied. It was basically a prehistoric event.
I've come around though. GW did a good job with the story, and even maintained some of that mythical/prehistoric feel.
Finally, someone who covers the legion in short and fun videos that isn't Majorkill.
Major kill is an immature and painful individual
How good is anything except Majorkill
He can be funny sometimes, feels very forced alot of the time though
"Iron within, iron without" is also the best motto in my opinion. Grimly stoic and resolute.
Followed by The Flesh is weak.
@@milesthanx6803 "...but deeds endure"
“Float like a Cadillac. Sting like a Beemer.” and “I am speed.” by White Scars Also go pretty hard
I also like the Minotaurs.
Hey wait a second...
Also reflects that one must be indomitable internally as well as externally
Iron Warriors are still one of my favorite legionse, traitor or loyal. Somehow, bitter, jaded nerds who (canonically) play wargames in their downtime really speak to me. I just wish the hazard stripes were easier to paint
Check out Duncan Rhode's Iron Warriors tutorial, strong base of yellow and then the black over that.
@@briochepanda making it sound easy = Rude
@@steppenworf121 Theory is easy, application the tricky part. Dunno where the rude part comes from. I've pointed to a source and given a rather cut down principal for painting the hazard stripes.
Its by no means a cake walk and the rampant use of armour trimming breaks up the wider spaces. This does make it easier to paint the markings in the sense that you're working in smaller areas, rather than wider spaces where the margin error is far tighter
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The plain fact of the theory is that its easier to paint black over yellow, the scary part is ballsing it up.
I've painted imperial fists with black trim and painting the shoulder pad trim was fear inducing given the amount of glazing that went into building up the yellow.
Tl:dr hazard stripes are daunting and Duncan Rhodes has a great method of doing and an encouraging manner that makes them less scary, so my apologies if my clipped comment came across as chiding.
@@briochepanda I was joking, mate.
@@steppenworf121 Aye mine was probably a bit of an overly wrought response from a too tired brain. I've got a habit of waffling on at times.
Really liking this series so far, solid presentation, and enough info to understand the nature and personality of the legion without going overboard
It seems that there is always something new to learn about the legions. I think the style is great and I'm enjoying the pace that you're spinning these yarns at.
Reading the Perturabo Primarchs novel inspired me to paint an Iron Warriors force. Seeing them fighting the Hrud was such a cool concept - the most stubborn and inflexible Legion fighting an enemy that literally uses time against them.
Now if only Hrud had models, so you could field them on the tabletop. An Unaligned unit you could slot into any force (though maybe with a rule excluding Iron Warriors, for obvious reasons).
"For the Iron Warriors, this was just another war..."
Now one of my favorite quotes to explain the IW
I've been strangly intrigued with the IVth legion. I find Pertabo to be a complicated character thats hard to describe accurately. The buliding resentment of the legion reminds me of Anakin Skywalker's growing resentment for the jedi order. It seems internally they have an inner conflict. Wanting the honor and respect, but not willing to seek it openly. They want to prove their consitency, not simply be given or attain honor. The firm and calcultive legion is a player who is always in it for long game. Finding a way to win, reguardless of the cost.
I think he is just a psycho. Killing his own man in a lottery isnt realy a well thougth out thing...
@@fullgreys0n738 for sure, Anakin killing tons of younglings wasn't very sane either. Both Pertabo and Anakin are examples of how twisted reasoning can lead you to dark places.
Forsure, logic without true compassion leaves one vulnerable to severe "EMOTIONAL DAMAGE..."
Perturabo and the IV always seemed like the most tragic of the traitors
Most of the traitors are tragic
I'll call it a time between them and the World Eaters.
You're absolutely killing it with these videos. These feel like required viewing for anyone wanting to delve into the lore of the Astartes.
This is a lot more tragic than I thought. Loving this series!
HH is a tragedy, i mean its still the Warhammer universe so no one's really the good guy but given the setting its definitely a tragedy. Brother killing brother, the best made plans shattered, the sheer loss of life.
Good job! The only thing I feel you got wrong is Perturabo not having any support from other legions. In dact I believe it’s been stated that him and Magnus were actually friends
That's correct, he was bff with Magnus, bonded by their love of knowledge. He was actually quite liked before years of the trench war made him despise almost everything.
@@TheTopo8798 could you point us to any relevant novels/shorts (i'm guessing perturabo's and maybe parts of magnus's books from the primarchs series… anything else? iron warriors were my first csm legion, and i still like to see the big moody git crack a smile sometimes (even though he doesn't get as much attention as pretty much any of the loyalist primarchs/legions, and most of the traitor ones)
@@soupalex I would definitely go with Perturabo: Hammer of Olympia. I haven't read Magnus' yet so I don't know if it's reflected there. That said in the A Thousand Sons HH novel I think there's passing references to Perturabo in Magnus' chapters. He made Magnus a cool doohickey at least as I recall.
@@walstafa tq!
@@soupalex Purterabo and Magnus friendship can be found in the Magnus Primarch novel.
Purty is actually friendly and fun in that until things get serious
In decades of being in the hobby I never explored the Iron Warriors but this was really enlightening! I always just assumed they were the "easy-to-paint chaos guys who were all grim and liked sieges" XD
My guy has his lights matching his outfit while telling lore! keep doing what you do! Its refreshing to not hear lore that is word for word from some wiki page!
thanks!
I am not able to understand how this channel doesnt have at least two million subs (yet!)
Keep the great work Ian!
I ENDORSE THIS MESSAGE
I really like these videos, but i feel what stands this channel apart from other 40k lore channels hva always been the sight to how the game itself have evolved over time.
I'd love it if these videos included a segment on how the lore has been reflected in the game throught the versions.
100%!
AFAIK, there has always been only one version of each Legion's rules for Horus Heresy, with some new units added with new Black Books. But so far, The Horus Heresy as a game has had only one official rules edition, so no real changes to discuss there.
Perturabo has to be my fave Primarch. He is such a bad ass and a very interesting and flawed character.
My opinion on the iron warriors has really changed as I got to know them and their struggle during the heresy
Angel Extaeminartis was a major changing point in my opinion of the iron warriors , they went from a bit dull imo, to having way more depth and character behind their seemingly plain exterior
The fanbase's opinion of the Iron Warriors is a perfect mirror of the in-universe opinion: cold disdain for a brutally effective but boring and petulant Legion.
One of the ways you can interpret the whole HH is that it's a parable of the damage a shit father can do to his sons. And one kind of damage that kind of father can do is to create an obedient but resentful son: a child who does what he's told and therefore LOOKS like he's turned out alright...until the resentment bubbles up. A long term problem that's easy to miss if you're an uncaring and inattentive parent. And a personality that isn't as sexy or exciting for the fambase like the angrier and cooler Legions. It's a fitting reception for the Iron Warriors.
@@ProfDCoy i'm disappointed that much of the community seems to have the opinion you describe of the iron warriors and perturabo, but i guess i can see where it's coming from. they're not exactly presented as the most personable, even on the rare occasions when they do take centre stage in the fluff… i think your characterisation of a quiet and (seemingly) reliably obedient son that quietly resents their impassive or absent father, their hatred rotting them away from the inside, is very apt (i guess primarchs being described as suffering with "daddy issues" and the emperor as an absentee father, is not new exactly, but "if the shoe fits"…)
@@soupalex oh yeah, I definitely didn't invent the idea of the HH as a meditation on bad fatherhood!
And you're right that it's sad but understandable that the fanbase treats IW much like Big E did. If anything, it's a weird window into another way to be a good dad: you should take the time to care about your "boring" son and his feelings, even if he's not acting out like your younger brat is. "Outwardly functional" isn't the same as "healthy". It's just temporarily easier to ignore.
You are so good at explaining this stuff so succinctly. You’re like the opposite of occulus imperia. He does a wonderful in universe explanation with character and flair, you explain it efficiently and neatly like, well, an iron warrior
Awesome video can’t wait for more of the legions to come out. Good way to learn the basics of the legions
Loving those legion lore vids. Lots of good information in a very straith to the point and concise format. 10/10.
Always so happy to see one of your uploads, please keep up the good work!
Just want to say this series is great, and I look forward to the next video each time. It's such a pleasure to hear your take and your knowledge of how the lore has changed over time. Cheers Ian :]
These videos on each legion are great. Looking forward to the next one!
I just want to say I like these videos on each legion its condense and focused on what are they and what have they done and not many youtubers do that so look forward to all the legions
I just want to say that you are really knocking these out of the park for me. Short and sweet...I get the general idea over my morning cup of coffee. Thank you!
Christ mate you’re cranking these out! Thank you
These videos are awesome. Easily my favorite thing you've done.
Excellent synopsis, maybe the best I've heard. Perturabo is my Primarch. He's my absolute favorite character in 40k and it was Angel Exterminatus that got me back to the game after an absence of 2 decades. They really need to tell us what's going on with him today. I have my head canon, but I'd really love to know if he's really a Daemon Prince and how that all worked out. Thanks for the video.
Man what a great series. Really helps if people are picking a legion to play. Keep it up!
Subscribed! I’m enjoying these series and can’t wait for the 9th legion
I’ve chosen the IVth legion for my upcoming heresy project, your video helped shape their storyline for me so thank you!! ❤️
Excellent as always!
These videos are SO good, thank you! 😃
Another great video. Loving this series.
Love these videos. Knowing I need to wait only 13 more releases until we get to Salamanders is pain.
Damn these keep getting better & better
I just watched Iron Within on WH+ and instantly had to look up your vid on th Iron Warriors
Love these lore videos, that go in depth into legions early history pre-primarch. Wil you ever cover the Blood Angels, I'd like to know how they were perceived early on, fresh from the factory so to speak.
"During the Great Crusade, Venus was dominated by War Witches who fielded armies of Litho-Gholem. The early Iron Warriors Space Marine Legion led the conquest of Venus during the Mehr Yasht campaign."
One of those metal AF quotes I'd love to know more about that just leads to dead links.
One of the things I simultaneously love and hate about the setting.
Also, Ah yes, we're in wars of attrition and have a core elite element that does what infantry does...take positions and grind the enemy in submission.
The primarch's response..."kill 1/10th of your unit for doing exactly what you're supposed to do...well."
This is one of those moments were Jimmy Space *should* have leaned in and said..."Um belay that...no. 10% losses for no damn reason is stupid. We're fighting a war. With literally everyone."
But that would have required him to NOT be the worst Dad in the universe and to possibly *think* about how another being felt.
Agreed. The Venus campaign sounds _awesome._ Which makes it infuriating that we hear basically nothing about it, much less have the tools within the game to reenact those battles.
There are so many xenos species, variant human cultures, and specialized technologies from the Crusade that make one think, "that would be really cool to play on the tabletop". The War Witches of Venus and their Litho-Gholems. The Hrud. The Invisible Guard of the "Emperor of Mankind" from the first HH novel. An entire galaxy of cool groups that we hear very little about and never get to play as.
Instead, we have the Horus Heresy, the event occurring after all those groups were dead or near to it, and involves Space Marines almost to the exclusion of everyone else. If your faction didn't already have either a model range or an organizational framework from 40K, you weren't allowed to participate at all.
This is not even getting into all the xenos races or weird human cultures that still exist in 40K, but still have no models. Like the Rak'ghul, Catachan Devils, or Enslavers. Imagine if any of these various groups got models. Unaligned so they could slot into any army, or run in Kill Team. Or with rules for running detachments entirely of survivors of the Imperium's conquests, banding together for survival and revenge.
It’s addition by subtraction!
It's incredible just how terrible Jimmy space is at literally everything apart from the custodes 😂
If I may play devil's advocate: If big E, right after giving Perturabo the keys to his own legion, then immediately steps in and contradicts one of his first significant decisions on the molding of said legion, Perturabo would NOT have taken it in the spirit of constructive criticism. And from a strictly logistic perspective, the Iron Warriors had rock solid geneseed and they "recruited" like monsters. They recovered fine. It wouldn't have been worth it for the damage it would have done to Big E's relationship with Perturabo at the time. Or he could have been a douche and been totally cool with it. You never know with that guy.
@bluecho4: I’m surprised that James Workshop hasn’t taken the opportunity of the 30k relaunch to rebrand it as “Age of Darkness” or something so they have the option of easily expanding to cover the reunification, crusade and scouring.
This series is fantastic, and a great new spin on something that is usually well established and well known. The IVth are my choice in HHv2 and I love their background and methods. They are a very underappreciated legion.
such a great series thank you!
towards the end you showed a picture of i believe is honsu, yet no mention. loving it so far cant wait for word bearers
Turns out I will watch lore videos as long as Ian does them and they're 15 minutes! 😎
Iron Warriors have been my army of choice for the better part of nearly 20 years. Good stuff!
A true son of Olympia ! Iron within brother ! (20 years too)
I'm very torn between the extremes of the emperor's children (especially at the start of the heresy and the corruption of the pursuit of perfection).
And the reliable cold brutal pragmatic iron warriors.
Can't decide which I'd rather collect 😩
Yes
This video is incredible!
Amazing mate! Incredible storytelling for a 40k newbie
I’ve always had an interesting relationship with the Iron Warriors. While they may not be among my most favorite legions (that would include Dark Angels, Alpha Legion, White Scars, Blood Angels, Raven Gaurd, and Night Lords), I love how simple their concept is. I also simply enjoy the base but solid gunmetal Gray color sceme that they have.
When painting your armor is ineffective so you just leave it stock
Wait - so these videos are great, and also going to come out a blistering pace?! I was assuming I’d be rewatching all the past ones several times over before this would come out.
Their release schedule is totally random depending on what other videos I happen to get ready at the time, but I AM planing to have them all out by the time the game is released!!
I love this series. Thanks.
Fantastic shirt to discuss the 4th legion.
Nice still one of the hardiest legions to paint, darn hazard stripes!
I've been dusting off my old 3rd edition Iron Warriors and thinking about getting back into the game. Very nicely timed!
I know the game is very different, but I had an old story narrative from back then that I'd like to continue with my buddies.
Great video!
Perturabo is my favorite primarch of them all. That hyper focus of him, the preference to work alone on problems, finding tech or ideas and working with them to improve them, most of his traits speak deeply to me.
Peter Turbo is the 2nd greatest Primarch after Robot Girlyman of course.
most underrated WH40K channel love ya dude and tell all my 40K friends about ur vids
It's pretty fuckin gangsta that they were still killing it during the Siege of Terra but just got pissed off and left
Awesome stuff Ian. Doubt anything was meant but the black book art @2:20 is a pre-Fenris space wolves and not an iron warrior, just FYI.
IRON WITHIN! IRON WITHOUT
I really enjoy your content Ian! Keep it coming!
love that your shirt fits the color scheme or the iron boys
We'll see how far the themed lighting and shirts get me!! I know I'm good til Imperial Fists, but Blood Angels might be a stretch...
@@ArbitorIan nothing a bottle of ketchup won't solve
Iron Within Iron Without. Thank you for this lore break-down on the ole work horse legion unafraid to dive face first into all the nitty gritty aspects of war, that their more arrogant and prideful cousins would scoff at
Hey Ian, great job as always. Just one criticism, I think it would be more helpful that you title Legion number in the title if only to get more eyes on it. Yes, you've done it on the thumbnail, but it's a bit too small I feel!
My personal favorite legion only rivaled by ironically the Imperial Fists, everything about them is so cool. I am gonna be running the 4th with lots of Armour, because that is the best look for a space marine tank imo
Awesome video! World Eaters soon?
I love your lore videos
White Scars are next! The Legion I know least about.
Good call wearing the black and yellow shirt. I see the hazard markings when I squint.
This is the Legion GW said is my best fit. TBH as someone who studied Civil Engineering I always thought it would be the FISTS. 😡
Fantastic vid Ian. It's a shame we don't see Pert abroad in 40k
Picking a yellow pattern shirt while talking about a legion that loves a bit of yellow/black industrial trim? I see you, Arbitor!
Love these videos mate - you got a new subscriber! will you be doing one on the iron hands? i am torn between White Scars and teh Iron Hand sfor the Horus heresy 2nd Edition thats due soon.
That's the next one! I'm going in order...
@@ArbitorIan You legend!
I've just finished reading Angel Exterminatus and realized that I identify with Perturabo the most out of all the other primarchs. I know there are a lot of memes about him and IW, but I don't care:)
Ya he's the disappointing nerd son son can't please his dad....just like me
@@daveeol1987 I see it a bit differently: a smart guy whose potential was repeatedly stifled by his uncaring dad, who only cared what his son could do *for him* , his interests. and later that blew up in his face. which is more or less my case:D
"disappointing herd son" is more of a Magnus type, imo:D
One of my favorite legions
4:32 A Squat!!!
The one thing, that I don't like about the Iron Warriors story is Perturabo being elevated to deamon prince when he had a noted loathing of all things deamon and demonic.
Hopefully when we get a BL novel covering the event we will see what caused him to choose ascension. Remember that HH is just expanding on stuff and adding to snippets of lore that has been in the books for years but not fully explained.
@@archmageeldran2567 I rather they retcon that
Would there ever be a chance of a seige of Terra video? Even an overview?
Loving this current series as ever.
I think maybe a 'unification and Crusade' overview and maybe a 'Horus Heresy History in 20 mins' might be worth doing
@@ArbitorIan Sounds brilliant, topics I'd definitely be interested in hearing more about. Could be good to round off the series?
Thanks for the reply, you run a fabulous channel.
Took me 4 episodes to realize you are going in number order. 🤦🏽 excited for imperial fist and world eaters episode. Can’t figure out which I want to paint for 30k
Oddly enough, out of all the traitor legions, the Iron Warriors had the most that turned their back on their Primarch and stayed loyal to the Imperium. Some even fought along their old rivals the Imperial Fists.
I like having a documentary about my brothers
Hey Ian, could I ask where you get your shirts? They're rad. I want some.
Lovely
Hey Ian, would you ever want to cover anything Age of Sigmar related? Based on your conversation on the "This Is Revolution" podcast, I bet you and Mr. Mephisto could tear it up.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to AoS, I'd love to see Warhammer fantasy get more love from youtubers, especially people like Ian who have been in on this shit for decades. Old cool Warhammer will never cease to be the coolest.
@@tappajavittu yeah warhammer fantasy has a lot of great stuff in it, but you're really missing out if you write off all of AoS. Like I think the Idoneth are one of the coolest factions lore-wise that GW's ever made, and I didn't care much for Stormcast until I watched Dawnstir's video on them, now I think they're incredibly interesting.
@@Micahaphone Just ignore me, I'm just an old man yelling at clouds who don't like the new cool toys.
It's so sad that putirabo was like, the best traitor Primark and he would have turned if the emperor just came down and gave him a hug
Putirabo made me lol, great typo.
If I ever run Heresy it be as this legion, tho just for fun I'd run loyalist rather then traitor.
What are the Horus heresy black books you mention in the spoiler warning? Google only brings up the black library books.
I was hoping for an explanation of the hazard tape
Looking forward to alpha legion 🙂
I thought the Iron Warriors and Thousand Sons were pretty close? I know Perturabo and Magnus were very close at least; Magnus' two requests to the Emperor during the siege of Terra were redemption for his sons and redemption for Perturabo.
How does he have a shirt for EVERY legion😭🙏
*Iron Warrior:* Father! I got 90% in all my subjects!
*Perturabo:* And the other 10? Beat your brother...
The story of the iron warriors makes me wonder what if things could’ve indeed been different and It was Dorn whose Legion was tasked for siege Warfare while Pet got to make so much more than just weapons.
Would things play out similarly with Dorn instead becoming bitter and fall to madness? Would Dorn in-fact be perfectly fine and Petrobo would still end up the way he is with his fall? Maybe the Heresy doesn’t even happen or at least can’t be as devastating as it was if Horus didn’t have access to someone with as much ability, resourcefulness and competence as Pet. So many possibilities
IRON WITHIN...
IRON WITHOUT!
@@bentilbury2002 You turn the iron on and you shake it all about...
@@ArbitorIan Knees bent
Arms stretched
Ra-Death to the False Emperor-Ra!
Love this im working on a offbranch od theniron warriors who staid loyal during heresy but left the imperiam post heresy due to the dognatic nature of the new religion they have this seige warfare and mechanised nature but ones they left the inperiam they began to grow a culture settling on a planet that was run by a freeblade knight group allied with it they sort became the defacto militery of this rogue planet neither loyal to the inperiam nor would they ever join their brothers in chaos they slowly developed a culture where they care for the planet under their protection and alow families on the chapter but are still very willing to throw their own lives away in mass but not just because aome general demanded it but for the idieal of what the imperiam was supost to be the future of humanity
In recent years they have acted on better terms with inperiam due to guilemans return they see a loyalist prinarch with guilemans pragmatism as a win for humanity
I've long wondered why there aren't more loyalist iron warriors. Think about it: after centuries of unappreciated sacrifice, the legion finally finds their gene-seed father, and what does that 'father' do? Judges their losses marks of failure and their sucesses inadequite, then commands them to beat their own brothers to death because just to teach them all a lesson. You'd think that would be enough of a rejection to redirect some marines feelings of bitterness and paranoia towards Pertarabo himself leaving them uninclined to follow Pertarabo when he turned traitor.
There were a fair amount of loyalist Iron Warriors it seems, judging by how often they pop up in the books.
Fair point, it is rumoured that some later chapters are actually made up of and are desendents of iron warriors, but for obvious reasons one would want this to shrouded in mystery for multiple reasons
Dantioch was a boss.
@@ArbitorIan there were plenty apparently. But being Iron Warriors they didn't go around trumpeting their loyalty. They just stoically got on with stubbornly defending the Imperium and their designated position. Often then being butchered by numerically superior traitor forces rather than sensibly retreating and regrouping.
But plenty also survived and there are many loyalist chapters with secret iron warrior geneseed even to 40k like the "ultramarine" silver skulls
A decent amount of Iron Warriors did stay loyal, because they were garrisoned on conquered worlds and stayed there for most of The Great Crusade. They didn't spend as much time with the legion and didn't develop hatred and bitterness towards the Imperium. After the Heresy, they either joined the Blackshield Space Marines or ptetended to be part of another legion. The latter is what happened to Dantioch's surviving battle brothers. As for chapters, I'm pretty sure the Minotaurs are confirmed to have Iron Warriors gene seed. The Marines Malevolent are not confirmed to be a successor of anyone, but share quite a lot of traits with the 4th legion. And finally, both the Silver Skulls and the Scythes of the Emperor are speculated by some to not actually be Ultramarine successors, but rather Iron warriors ones, but there's very little proof especially for the Scythes.