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  • @JoMoJack
    @JoMoJack Před 2 lety +7824

    "This is the lockpickinglawyer, and today we're going to open this Tesla Model S using only a magnet on the end of a drill."

    • @stevejohnson1685
      @stevejohnson1685 Před 2 lety +407

      "This is the lockpickinglawyer, and today we're going to open this Tesla Model S using only a magnet on the end of a ballpeen hammer."

    • @FloydBunsen
      @FloydBunsen Před 2 lety +27

      I have no knowledge of the locking system on Teslas. Could this work?

    • @DontThinkSo11
      @DontThinkSo11 Před 2 lety +198

      @@FloydBunsen Best you could do is make the system think you've pulled on the door handle while still retracted, it won't actually unlock without either the owner's phone or key fob. But if you have that the door handle automatically extends anyway.

    • @isthatatesla
      @isthatatesla Před 2 lety +41

      You might be able to open the door but the alarm and Toccata en Fugue will be blaring. Ask a passenger who has inadvertently triggered it while the key was with the driver.

    • @ShamWerks
      @ShamWerks Před 2 lety +111

      "this is the lock picking lawyer, and today we're going to open this Tesla Model S using the magnet Bosnian Bill and I made."

  • @Ryukachoo
    @Ryukachoo Před 2 lety +1067

    Matt: "I don't know electrons, they scare me"
    Also matt: "so, here's the wiring diagram for my electric car build"

    • @anonym3017
      @anonym3017 Před 2 lety +66

      also matt: worked for tesla

    • @biggieb400
      @biggieb400 Před 2 lety +67

      Also Matt: I looked at the signal on my oscilloscope

    • @bj42paul
      @bj42paul Před 2 lety +54

      Also Matt: so I hooked it up and wrote a Raspberry debugger.

    • @krooner
      @krooner Před 2 lety +23

      And he have an Oscilloscope with better screen resolution than my phone

    • @MrVelociraptor75
      @MrVelociraptor75 Před 2 lety +15

      To be fair, Matt said he's scared of things he can't see (stupid electron goblins). He can see wiring diagrams and code and electric cars...

  • @andredepaulagomes
    @andredepaulagomes Před 2 lety +1249

    About the DFMEA meetings, AvE once said wisely:
    "you make something foolproof, then the world comes and invents a bigger fool"

    • @fredpinczuk7352
      @fredpinczuk7352 Před 2 lety +23

      Alternative phrase though by my mentor: "You can make things idiot proof, there is always a bigger idiot".

    • @dominicbeltz9057
      @dominicbeltz9057 Před 2 lety +11

      Two thing are infinite the universe and human stupidity and I am not sure about the universe-einstein

    • @Get_yotted
      @Get_yotted Před rokem +5

      Bumblefucks all around us

    • @MasterMoonClap
      @MasterMoonClap Před rokem +2

      that quote represents the human race

    • @LyuboA
      @LyuboA Před rokem

      NOT the World America 🇺🇸 the Land of Morons

  • @kirkjohnson6638
    @kirkjohnson6638 Před 2 lety +396

    When your door handle is actually a closed loop, digital computer controlled motor driven position actuation system with additional safety devices and sensors, it might just be overkill.

    • @robokid20001
      @robokid20001 Před 2 lety +146

      I know how to make it even better: a lever that actuates a mechanical linkage that directly opens the door.
      Oh wait.

    • @tomrogers9467
      @tomrogers9467 Před rokem +27

      @@robokid20001 And don’t forget the analogue security access device. You know, that piece of metal with all the little bumps in it that you manage to lose every few weeks!

    • @creativecraving
      @creativecraving Před rokem +4

      It means that all the breakable parts are outside of the door itself, and probably easier to reach and replace.

    • @icantseethis
      @icantseethis Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@robokid20001 Step aside, young padawan: just use a cable hidden behind a speaker cover. You're welcome.

    • @bigdougscommentary5719
      @bigdougscommentary5719 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@robokid20001Mechanical door handles NEVER have ANY problems. In ICE FANTASY land.

  • @louwrentius
    @louwrentius Před 2 lety +1359

    Matt’s Tinder Profile: the delicate touch of a mechanical engineer 😘

    • @jeremyn83
      @jeremyn83 Před 2 lety +19

      *ex-Tesla mechanical engineer -- gotta get the right swipes and not left swipes

    • @csn583
      @csn583 Před 2 lety +24

      "Careful hands, and patience."

    • @robertheger9048
      @robertheger9048 Před 2 lety +12

      With a current fork lift license

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq Před 2 lety +6

      @@robertheger9048
      and "dangerous goods" endorsement....

    • @josephking6515
      @josephking6515 Před 2 lety

      He needs BigClive's *Vice of Knowledge* to go with his delicate touch.

  • @MickeyC3040
    @MickeyC3040 Před 2 lety +770

    Watching this during my lunch break having just come from a multi hour DFMEA meeting. He speaks the truth

    • @davewilliams6172
      @davewilliams6172 Před 2 lety +8

      This is the way!

    • @Myrune1
      @Myrune1 Před 2 lety +112

      I was the guy in those meetings everyone hated.
      Me; does something really wonky with the new widget.
      Head Engineer; "None of our customers will ever do that!"
      Me; "I'm one of your customers and I just did."
      Head Engineer; "Shit! How do we fix this?"
      Snicker....

    • @MickeyC3040
      @MickeyC3040 Před 2 lety +66

      @@Myrune1 I launched a manual car uphill in second gear just to test one of my prototypes. My software/controls guy (who's work we were really testing) sitting next to me was speechless. Never doubt people's abilities to "think differently"

    • @mrmcflunday2164
      @mrmcflunday2164 Před 2 lety +25

      I have a mate who loves to make the manufacturer engineers head explode.. lol 🤣

    • @daveamies5031
      @daveamies5031 Před 2 lety +48

      @@MickeyC3040 I have taken off from traffic lights in 3rd gear (admittedly slight down hill gradient in stop start traffic) I have also clutch started in reverse (just to see if I could) I also work in software testing, my colleagues refer to me as "the anomaly" or just "Not Normal"🤣

  • @luminescentlion
    @luminescentlion Před 2 lety +420

    Mechanical Engineers when they encounter something electrical: "As a simple mechanical engineer I don't understand this stuff"
    Electrical Engineers when they encounter something mechanical: "Ah this is a mechanical problem, so as an electrical engineer, I am over qualified"

    • @revimfadli4666
      @revimfadli4666 Před 2 lety +8

      Then chemistry comes

    • @ChrisLeeW00
      @ChrisLeeW00 Před 2 lety +58

      Me, a software engineer: "I bet I can figure this out" and then I break something.

    • @martylawson1638
      @martylawson1638 Před 2 lety +21

      And yet, some of the worst mechanical drawings I've ever seen are in electrical datasheets...

    • @MrWeelliott
      @MrWeelliott Před 2 lety +19

      This explains how I often run across electrical car conversions with horrible mechanical design.

  • @mr.skeltal8687
    @mr.skeltal8687 Před 2 lety +89

    "we don't deal with invisible fields, if I can't see it then it must not be there"
    Got me cracking right up, I'm in the world of analog tech so I totally get this lmao

    • @HAWXLEADER
      @HAWXLEADER Před 2 lety +3

      Well magnetic sensors are analog so...
      (Remember the aux to cassette tape converter? Pure few cents analog trickery 👌)

  • @mondotv4216
    @mondotv4216 Před 2 lety +278

    Says he’s a simple mechanical engineer, then pulls out the oscilloscope! Great video Matt.

    • @favesongslist
      @favesongslist Před 2 lety +40

      And connects up and programs both a Arduino and Raspberry pi computer systems

    • @shadowxsm
      @shadowxsm Před 2 lety

      my curiousity and interest peaked at this part!

    • @questioner1596
      @questioner1596 Před 2 lety +1

      Oscilloscopes are used in the general first year of engineering.

    • @favesongslist
      @favesongslist Před 2 lety +1

      @@questioner1596 So wish I could have gone to Uni, I had to learn to use my Oscilloscope myself

  • @yodasbff3395
    @yodasbff3395 Před 2 lety +336

    For an ME you have an incredible amount of knowledge about electronics. I'm an EE and what you just said blew me away. As always I really enjoy your videos. 👍👍👍

    • @SuperfastMatt
      @SuperfastMatt  Před 2 lety +67

      Wow, thanks!

    • @Renzsu
      @Renzsu Před 2 lety +58

      I'm an IDE and I like glue

    • @Turbochargedtwelve
      @Turbochargedtwelve Před 2 lety +36

      EEs get stuck at their desk too much, they let MEs out to play more. That gives them a lot more general knowledge, just don’t as us to pointed of questions. You’ll find the knowledge only goes so deep, that is the benefit of spending more time on a specific area.

    • @richardallen1629
      @richardallen1629 Před 2 lety +21

      Also in my experience, Mechanical Engineers just love breaking stuff to see how it works. I did a stint in software QA at a game company also, and strangely the programmers didn't share my excitement at finding new ways to make stuff fail 🤔 Those meetings sound like soul crushing ways of killing creatively destructive dreams.

    • @LoudGuitar14
      @LoudGuitar14 Před 2 lety +9

      @@richardallen1629 Yes we do! I want to know what it is, what it does and if I can break it! If I can break it then I want to know if I can make it better. Keeps us MEs employed and entertained. A close second for entertainment is the look of panic an EE gets if I joke I tested for voltage by licking something

  • @marc-andrerenaud1394
    @marc-andrerenaud1394 Před 2 lety +132

    Seeing how precise and patient the "delicate touch of a mechanical engineer" can be made laugh out loud. Well done. Thank you for the laughs and thorough look at Tesla's new design.

  • @alexkram
    @alexkram Před 2 lety +29

    Great video Matt. I still think the motorized door handle is asking for expensive problems down the road and is a solution for something that was never a problem. However if they are going to do it anyway, at least Tesla made an elegant, simple design.

    • @Globbs
      @Globbs Před rokem +2

      we love throwing junk in landfills.

    • @subjekt5577
      @subjekt5577 Před 3 měsíci +2

      The only possible advantage I could see is rind resistance, but honestly I'd rather just have physical handles. Especially on the inside. Gimme back my buttons too.
      Oh and the sdcard slot+headphone jack+replaceable battery on my phone while we're at ut

    • @alexkram
      @alexkram Před 3 měsíci

      @@subjekt5577 the model 3 door handle design is pretty aerodynamic and no motors.

    • @jonc4403
      @jonc4403 Před 8 dny

      @@alexkram It's still a bad design. With a good mechanical door handle, a sheet of ice on the handle does nothing, you pull the handle, the ice breaks off, you open the door. With a handle that's flush, you go get the heat gun....

  • @EngineersHomestead
    @EngineersHomestead Před 2 lety +146

    The DFMEA comment spoke right to my soul. At my university as ME students we took only one EE212 class. I'll never forget the wise words from my mechatronics professor regarding electronics: Don't let the smoke out!

    • @SmilingDevil
      @SmilingDevil Před 2 lety +15

      That would be „don‘t let the magic smoke out“ and you know why engineers always fail when the try to make stuff dummy proof? They go against evolution at that point, evolution always manages to produce a bigger dummy, Nature wins.

    • @jpkatz1435
      @jpkatz1435 Před 2 lety

      Where someone who will only freekout will see it and freekout, as in call the Fire Department.

    • @nicholasjohnson2313
      @nicholasjohnson2313 Před 2 lety +7

      Me too, I've been in those meetings at Tesla... I feel his pain.

    • @GREGGRCO
      @GREGGRCO Před 2 lety

      I was thinking...trunk monkey....

    • @Snoop_Dugg
      @Snoop_Dugg Před rokem

      I don't understand.. don't let components catch fire or don't let people know something burnt out?

  • @J-Eagan
    @J-Eagan Před 2 lety +96

    9:06 You could measure motor current, and use that to detect when you are stalling out due to hitting a hard stop. Same way automatic roll down windows work.

    • @mechadrake
      @mechadrake Před 2 lety +42

      but current is invisible, therefore do not exist, so he can't. ;)

    • @AlexWhittemore
      @AlexWhittemore Před 2 lety +7

      @@mechadrake oooh yeah fair point.

    • @jamescole6846
      @jamescole6846 Před 2 lety +10

      @@mechadrake If you think current is invisible, jab a metal rod into a live breaker panel and see it :)

    • @mechadrake
      @mechadrake Před 2 lety +4

      @@jamescole6846 he said it is. Did he stutter? ;)

    • @BrosBrothersLP
      @BrosBrothersLP Před 2 lety +4

      No far easier you try movinh the motor a little and look if the handle moves if not you stop

  • @Omar.Alamoudi
    @Omar.Alamoudi Před 2 lety +8

    The entertainment and educational value of this video is through the roof. This was my first visit to this channel, and it wont be the last, thanks!

  • @anthonyzorn773
    @anthonyzorn773 Před 2 lety +15

    I'm not an engineer, but seeing that we share the same patience and with the same delicate touch I'm wondering if I've been an engineer this whole time without knowing!
    Loved this video, very informative and highly entertaining!

  • @dustin9258
    @dustin9258 Před 2 lety +173

    I’m an EE and I’ve never heard of that type of sensor either… or the SENT communication protocol. Very informative video. And I must say, I don’t know too many ME’s who own an oscilloscope, also impressive haha.

    • @uliwehner
      @uliwehner Před 2 lety +10

      i work in a lab, we have several oscilloscopes, boxed up, in a storage closet. Haven't been used in at least a decade... just can't bring ourselves to send them to the landfill

    • @richardallen1629
      @richardallen1629 Před 2 lety +31

      @@uliwehner someone will want them! Mine has a big orange sticker on it that says "Tested, BAD" and I love it. Sell or give them away on something quick and easy like FB marketplace and you will make some happy people and have an empty cupboard to put actual rubbish in 👍

    • @RaglansElectricBaboon
      @RaglansElectricBaboon Před 2 lety +2

      I'm an ME who ordered the exact same scope just before watching this video!

    • @matroosoft4589
      @matroosoft4589 Před 2 lety +2

      Your profile picture is telling me you're working at Dewlett Packard

    • @Mil-Keeway
      @Mil-Keeway Před 2 lety +5

      ​@@uliwehner +1 to what richard allen said, young EEs or hobbyists starting out are always looking for scopes. I would've been happy getting an old clapped-out analogue scope when I started 10 years ago, but they were too expensive because companies that replace them send them to the landfill, unlike what they do with old laptops that get refurbished and sold to poor university students...

  • @Jer_Schmidt
    @Jer_Schmidt Před 2 lety +1008

    Fantastic video, this is why I’m on CZcams all day!

    • @856Dropout
      @856Dropout Před 2 lety +11

      I miss your content. It was and is excellent. In hope all is well.

    • @theothertonydutch
      @theothertonydutch Před 2 lety +9

      Go touch grass bro

    • @adoreslaurel
      @adoreslaurel Před 2 lety +1

      Yes I spend too much time on a chair doing same and my back is making me may big time.

    • @adoreslaurel
      @adoreslaurel Před 2 lety

      oops I Meant PAY.

    • @ERrnesST
      @ERrnesST Před 2 lety +2

      The algorithm is meant to be a drug. :3

  • @Papinak2
    @Papinak2 Před 2 lety +5

    I guess that end position is measured by current going to motor, similar to obstruction detection in power windows.
    Btw, Skoda had flush handles in 1950s - all mechanical. But they were phased out because of safety concerns

  • @Exilum
    @Exilum Před 2 lety +18

    I love the "delicate touch of a mechanical engineer" lmao

  • @nox_chan
    @nox_chan Před 2 lety +71

    "If I can't see them, they must not be there"
    Story of my life as a young ME

  • @olsonspeed
    @olsonspeed Před 2 lety +21

    The Tesla door handle is in diametric opposition to Musk's "the best part is no part". The flush mechanical door handles on my truck have worked flawlessly for decades.

    • @stuartstephens
      @stuartstephens Před 2 lety +6

      My thoughts as well. While they are a nifty bit of engineering, they still seem overcomplicated (I'm an electrical engineer, but even so I still go with simpler is better.) The mechanical handles on my 60 year old car still work just fine. I've also wondered how well Tesla door handles deal with ice and subzero temperatures.

    • @Notdave29
      @Notdave29 Před 2 lety +7

      That’s a great philosophy when designing a rocket, not so great on a 80k luxury car. The useless but cool gadgets and random features is what makes cars in that price range sell. At least the parts count and reliability of the useless gadget seem headed in the right direction.

    • @olsonspeed
      @olsonspeed Před 2 lety +1

      @@Notdave29 "Useless" is on the nose.

    • @allterrainrandy2587
      @allterrainrandy2587 Před 2 lety +2

      There’s nothing like having your car greet you every time you walk up to it. It’s only annoying when you walk past it and you’re not getting in.

    • @olsonspeed
      @olsonspeed Před 2 lety +2

      @@allterrainrandy2587 I am filing that under "unnecessary".

  • @Raeilgunne
    @Raeilgunne Před 2 lety +5

    I've had to do FMEA work groups as a mechanic, so don't worry, engineers aren't the only ones that get that burden. Generally it involves an intro topic of 'well, last week one of our equipment operators did something that wasn't covered previously, lets figure out why and how'

  • @finecutpost
    @finecutpost Před 2 lety +1

    A freezing cold morning here in Melbourne Australia, perfect day for sitting in front of my heater watching Super Fast Matt videos on CZcams. Thank you.

  • @eduardotejeda
    @eduardotejeda Před 2 lety +30

    "The delicate touch of a mechanical engineer", 🤣🤣🤣.

  • @JanBabiuchHall
    @JanBabiuchHall Před 2 lety +60

    Alright that's actually really freaking clever. Saving this sensor in my mental toolbox. Thanks!

    • @derekwallin2624
      @derekwallin2624 Před 2 lety +3

      Agreed, I love seeing novel examples of great ideas. How to effectively use 1 sensor do replace the need for 4 others is really interesting to see.

    • @stevejohnson1685
      @stevejohnson1685 Před 2 lety +2

      There's that other sensor, a quadrature infrared sensor, that if you look up the datasheet, gets you a visit from your local FBI office :-)

    • @JanBabiuchHall
      @JanBabiuchHall Před 2 lety +1

      @@stevejohnson1685 post the link. I dare you.
      Also what? I looked it up and found some angular position sensors. Why would that be suspect? I know FLIR is export controlled and the government cares if you want too many FPS because it could be used for night vision goggles and projectile guidance but why would an angular position sensor be of interest?

    • @Markfps
      @Markfps Před 2 lety

      @John Brennan don't cry

    • @Markfps
      @Markfps Před 2 lety

      @John Brennan and lithium but no one made a safe, cool and viable high mileage car until Tesla made it

  • @rafidahmedrd
    @rafidahmedrd Před 2 lety +1

    No sponsors are mentioned in the video. Man, you are awesome.

  • @radioace318la
    @radioace318la Před 2 lety +2

    6:32 They design encapsulated non-accessible electronic gizmos with printing so small an electron microscope is necessary in order to read the part number solution. Awesome!

  • @karisdarkness
    @karisdarkness Před 2 lety +28

    "I have careful hands, and I have patience"
    I'm having a good time

  • @jacknewzeland4913
    @jacknewzeland4913 Před 2 lety +27

    This is my contribution to the prevention of DFMEA meetings and my vote to keep you producing the excellent quality content you have given us so far.

    • @RaglansElectricBaboon
      @RaglansElectricBaboon Před 2 lety

      Me too. I've been in these meetings and never want to go back. I've subscribed to keep him out of them for longer :)

  • @Jacob_hst
    @Jacob_hst Před rokem +8

    “I don’t deal with invisible fields” is a very strong statement from somebody who studies stress and strain tensors.

  • @Nikoxion
    @Nikoxion Před měsícem

    Stuff like this is super interesting to come by while working with cars.
    Although I often find it difficult to share in an interesting fashion like you did here. Props!

  • @Lluraeden
    @Lluraeden Před 2 lety +46

    That delicate 3lb sledge got me dying over here!

    • @NavinBetamax
      @NavinBetamax Před 2 lety +1

      Gently.....Gently ........I avoided a violent death ! Lol !

  • @danielbruin
    @danielbruin Před 2 lety +351

    Thanks for this! Was wondering how it worked for a while, great to see. :) And totally agree with the physical buttons and switches, helps me to find the problem way faster. ;)

    • @tacosaregood5038
      @tacosaregood5038 Před 2 lety +1

      I was wondering too, pretty interesting handle!

    • @MadScientist267
      @MadScientist267 Před 2 lety +2

      The problem is there are a whole bunch of useless parts.
      A lever and a rod... Works great! 🙄

    • @boblewis5558
      @boblewis5558 Před 2 lety

      RUBBISH! You obviously are unaware of all the faulty signals that come from a microswitch! When subjected to even moderate vibration, even a hard closed microswitch can open & close its contacts several hundred times a second! It's NOT just "switch" bounce (when the switch state is changed) but "contact" bounce when it is "supposed" to be in a KNOWN state but isn't! DOH!

    • @MadScientist267
      @MadScientist267 Před 2 lety

      @@boblewis5558 Ever heard of debouncing caps? Siddown lol

    • @boblewis5558
      @boblewis5558 Před 2 lety

      @@MadScientist267 don't be absurd, of course I have, but there are circumstances where they have to be too large in value to do the job effectively. Capacitive touch or proximity switches - fine, but mechanical ones? No!

  • @yoongilimerence
    @yoongilimerence Před rokem +7

    a flush mounted handle is easy to accomplish without ANY electronics, just simple linkages. But I guess that would go against the tesla design philosophy

  • @EpicBenjo
    @EpicBenjo Před rokem +1

    The DFMEA meetings sound so interesting lol. I’d like to come up with all the ways it could be broken lol

  • @petemarshall9212
    @petemarshall9212 Před 2 lety +26

    The careful like a "surgeon" disassembly was perfect, keep the the videos coming. Asome engineering

  • @WickedTRX
    @WickedTRX Před 2 lety +45

    Most likely the current for the motor in monitored, so if for some reason the current spykes and the solid state sensor detects the handle isn't fully retracted it must be chopping fingers and it deploys.
    I installed DBW throttle bodies on my carbed bike and used a Hall sensor TPS, it's impressive the precision they have.

    • @2OO_OK
      @2OO_OK Před 2 lety +3

      Do you have your bike project online? Would really like to see it.

    • @rompdude
      @rompdude Před 2 lety +3

      This.
      There is no direct logic style feedback per say, but you can monitor load as wicked said. You could probably test it by trying to stop it popping out. If it gives up fairly quickly and retracts, it's monitoring load.

    • @AlexWhittemore
      @AlexWhittemore Před 2 lety +2

      Measuring for stall torque and simultaneously making sure that motor commands correspond to actual handle deflection based on the magnet angle sensor seems probably sufficient to me, agreed.

    • @LoanwordEggcorn
      @LoanwordEggcorn Před 2 lety

      Agree. Controlling electric motor torque is probably something someone at Tesla knows how to do, even EE interns.

  • @yourgod9597
    @yourgod9597 Před 2 lety +1

    Fun fact, my 15 year CD drive can detect if it is half open (it closes automatically if so), closed or open and it uses touch sensing like pushing what a bunch of nubies. It's motorised and if it is not able to close fully it will open very fast and tries to close again.

  • @mechmotion
    @mechmotion Před 2 lety

    I repair the CNC machines at my shop, and one of my running jokes is the "hard reset" mini-sledge hammer for software issues.
    Usually, the machines start working right if they see me coming with the hammer. It's uncanny.🤣

  • @KrustyKlown
    @KrustyKlown Před 2 lety +42

    great review of the new door handle design.... as an automotive engineer, I always thought that original door handle was a great example of how NOT to design a part. Never understood why engineers put those microswitches on the parts that Moved!!!.. since that makes the wires & connections bend/move, ultimately breaking.

    • @kain0m
      @kain0m Před 2 lety +5

      No kidding, the old design is just plain awful - a perfect example of under-engineering. Zero consideration of the use case went into that design.

    • @KrustyKlown
      @KrustyKlown Před 2 lety +4

      @@kain0m Tesla grew quickly, with few experience automotive engineers. Now they have some more experience.

    • @Nicodemus1971
      @Nicodemus1971 Před 2 lety +2

      First time I've seen that original door handle. My god that is astonishingly awful. Given how complex the rest of the car is and the level of autonomy, if that design philosphy and lack of riguor was present in just 1% of the components that is a frightening prospect.

  • @BuddyCorp
    @BuddyCorp Před 2 lety +16

    I'm a mechanic. Here's the problem with iterative design. Without proper version control, and excellent record keeping, you could be looking for a 2017 Model S door handle, only to realise that you need the 2017 v2.13 handle. It's nice to see they've made a concerted attempt at being backwards compatible, though.

    • @Kammaol
      @Kammaol Před 2 lety +1

      Doesn't have be like that - those two units could very well be interchangeable without SENT. I imagine it just gives them huge saving and standardization cannot prevent progress.
      On the other hand have you ever looked for a replacement part for you car? I have to measure everything and compare part to pictures every time. Manufactures don't care about some schmuck who will try to get replacement parts in 10 years and will use whatever non-interchangeable parts they have on their hands so the production line doesn't stop.

    • @AlexWhittemore
      @AlexWhittemore Před 2 lety +4

      One assumes this is the number one, or maybe number two, reason Tesla famously doesn't let ANYONE work on their cars. The only way to get the right part is to look up the original build sheet by VIN, and even that will probably miss the epoxy blob or painters tape loom retainer, or 3D printed mount.

    • @deeeezel
      @deeeezel Před 2 lety

      @@Kammaol I guess you’ve never worked on a Mercedes Benz, they still produce anything with a part number in small batches, if the parts not available you just wait and sooner or later it’s made.

    • @chillstar
      @chillstar Před 2 lety

      @@deeeezel I have a 27 year old Benz. While it's true that some parts have come back into production, in my experience this is rate. There are many NLA parts and more all the time. At first it was mostly aesthetic parts, but I was recently told that the adjustment shims for my diesel injectors are NLA. It's a big worry if they've stopping making critical service parts like that.

  • @HamiltonSRink
    @HamiltonSRink Před rokem +1

    Hall effect sensor. Think of it as one of the many ways semiconductors can be made. In this case, we have power, ground, and signal out. The signal changes depending on the presence or absence of the magnet being nearby. No moving parts, and generally quite reliable.

  • @Hansengineering
    @Hansengineering Před 2 lety +2

    If i'm making that I sense when the opener arm is at the end of its travel by the current used by the motor. It can *try* to close against the end of the linear gear, but it will be immediately obvious it is already closed. The part just has to be strong enough to live up to that momentary stall load.

  • @ReemerFeddes
    @ReemerFeddes Před 2 lety +29

    Good that the Jaguar does not need DFMEA meetings!

    • @SuperfastMatt
      @SuperfastMatt  Před 2 lety +70

      DFMEA = Drive until it Fails then Matt Engineers an Alternative design

    • @troo_story
      @troo_story Před 2 lety +1

      @@SuperfastMatt 🤣

    • @martincerveny2284
      @martincerveny2284 Před 2 lety +1

      You don't need to bother with it when you have millions of fanatic betatesters :-D

    • @GunFunZS
      @GunFunZS Před 2 lety +3

      Based on their reliability that's probably true of factory jaguars too.

  • @gsmdo8836
    @gsmdo8836 Před 2 lety +136

    Excellent stuff as ever Matt - engineering with a hammer made me snort my coffee. All hail the algorithm...

    • @rick67hou
      @rick67hou Před 2 lety +3

      It made me sort my coke.
      Not the reaction I was expecting.

    • @troo_story
      @troo_story Před 2 lety +2

      Diet coke in my case. Truly. 🤣

    • @GREGGRCO
      @GREGGRCO Před 2 lety

      Yep. Been there. Popcorn here.

  • @seth9993
    @seth9993 Před 2 lety +1

    you explaining reminds me when listen to a lecture not knowing wtf is going on and just keep nodding my head like I know what is happening

  • @NozNK
    @NozNK Před 2 lety +1

    "and suppliers that would actually answer the phone" SHEEEEEEESSHH that one hits close to home

    • @GulfCoastGrit
      @GulfCoastGrit Před 2 lety

      Right? People have a hard time imagining a world where businesses just don't do business with you. The average person can walk into any store and get what they want as long as it's available. B2B is a totally different animal and there's nothing more frustrating than not being able to get what you need because the vendor doesn't consider you worth their time.

  • @WafflerSupreme
    @WafflerSupreme Před 2 lety +28

    LOL DFMEA meetings are the best though. I always come out of it with a greater understanding of the human condition.

    • @Ilkanar
      @Ilkanar Před 2 lety +2

      "-Ok jeff why do you stopped comunicating with people outside your job?
      -EVERYONE. IS. RETARDED."

    • @jacobr7964
      @jacobr7964 Před 2 lety +4

      " I always come out of it with a greater understanding of the human condition."
      This is the most polite way of saying "A vast, almost incomprehensible portion of the population are so stupid it is physically painful to contemplate that stupidity for anyone with an intelligence greater than the average kumquat" that I have ever read.

  • @CrusaderWorId
    @CrusaderWorId Před 2 lety +4

    You look like older PolarSaurusRex

  • @DouglasJMark
    @DouglasJMark Před 2 lety

    Great video! Found you from a comment on Munro Live's Gigacasting Evolution video. Thanks!

  • @BestHakase
    @BestHakase Před 2 lety

    You can measure something-something electrical from the power lines when the motor is stuck. So the motor is the sensor and signal wires are the power wires.

  • @phenomanII
    @phenomanII Před 2 lety +8

    That was the most convincing reason to subscribe I have ever heard.
    I already watch and like the videos, subscribed now.

  • @anomamos9095
    @anomamos9095 Před 2 lety +5

    They'd put a load measure on the motor power circuit to determine if it is drawing more power than normal and cut the power if it goes past a predetermined limit.

  • @Arek_R.
    @Arek_R. Před 2 lety +1

    You're the first mechanical engineer I've ever saw to be able to use raspberry pi

  • @RossGoneRogue
    @RossGoneRogue Před 7 měsíci

    I remember doing the DFMEA on my senior design project in college. I made ram air ducts for our front brake rotors and while I listed all the things like debris getting in there, the mounts breaking and everything else; I didn't think of a car kissing ours in a curve and ripping the entire front bumper off the car and it happened in the first 2 hours of a 12 hour race

  • @44Bigs
    @44Bigs Před 2 lety +41

    That’s an amazing transformation. I like how they kept the mechanical spring loaded concept intact but optimised the hell out of the electronics.

  • @TilmanBaumann
    @TilmanBaumann Před 2 lety +17

    I'd bet that this thing also detects motor stall based on current draw. I'm sure it won't self destruct itself if the hal sensor positions don't match up with he push lever thing

    • @GingerNingerGames
      @GingerNingerGames Před 2 lety

      If it say motor current and no change in position I've probably just stop or run the motor backwards for a set time

  • @LucianoBAF
    @LucianoBAF Před 2 lety +1

    As an electrical engineer, after seeing what you said on this video, if I saw you in front of me...
    We would probably hang around. Love the video and sense of humor ❤️

  • @emmacoltoff3375
    @emmacoltoff3375 Před 2 lety +1

    I worked on that sensor that you smashed. Makes me wish I had done the same.

  • @Greg29
    @Greg29 Před 2 lety +18

    I'm so glad I saw this, I have a 2021 MS on order and the door handles were one thing I wasn't crazy about after seeing so many people complaining about them breaking. Good to know that they've been fixed.

    • @kwik01
      @kwik01 Před 2 lety +3

      Well... about that... My 2017 Model S has these Gen3 handles... the paddle gear is apparently still cheap crap and it broke, so no more present. At least the door did pop open when I pushed on the handle, so that was nice. Thanks to Electrified Garage I was able to buy the part on eBay and fix it myself (warranty expired 3 months ago of course). Still enjoy the car, though.

    • @samnangchea5025
      @samnangchea5025 Před rokem +1

      They're still totally crap.
      You can redesign anything you want, but if you build it like crap, it will break.

  • @Stu_2112
    @Stu_2112 Před 2 lety +6

    "early Model S was just a kit car" ......man, you shoulda worked on Roadster! That actually WAS a kit car! 😂
    And your thoughts on FMEA's is sooooooo true.

  • @RustySharks
    @RustySharks Před 2 lety

    That last bit where you didn't want to go to DFMEA meetings got me

  • @robd003
    @robd003 Před rokem +1

    Could you do a video showing how to retrofit the new door handles on older cars?

  • @Fukkeduck
    @Fukkeduck Před 2 lety +3

    @0:52 That statement is not correct. I work for a independent car manufacturing plant that builds BMW's. Updating parts is a continuous process. Whenever an engineering change has been made by BMW, it gets updated immediately in all manufacturing plants. And our previous clients had the exact same process in place.

    • @scottgaree7667
      @scottgaree7667 Před 2 lety

      That's updating parts. Tesla updates entire subsystems on the fly, not on model year boundaries. Batteries, computers, motors; you know, the easy stuff.

    • @Fukkeduck
      @Fukkeduck Před 2 lety +1

      @@scottgaree7667 I don't think you even read my comment. I'm talking about many changes on many parts every single week, 52 weeks per year. On the fly and all while the production lines never skip a beat.
      Tesla ain't special in that sense. Welcome to the automotive world.

  • @thequixotryworkshop2424
    @thequixotryworkshop2424 Před 2 lety +3

    Thanks for another entertaining, yet very informative video Matt! Love your sence of humor!!!

  • @FCHammerTime
    @FCHammerTime Před rokem

    9:30 "Would it break itself trying to lever the handle back farther than it would go?" The control module could monitor the current to the motor and if there's mechanical resistance there would be an increased current demand

  • @Worldopain
    @Worldopain Před rokem

    My father was a mechanical engineer. He designed automation for the big 3 for 30 years, so this kind of stuff is bang up my ally. Much love from Detroit area, Michigan..

  • @davidvoisin1925
    @davidvoisin1925 Před 2 lety +14

    I Love your channel. The only thing that beats your technical acumen is your sense of humour (spelt the way it was first intended!). Keep up with the good work (and the sarcasm).

  • @brandonmatthews9526
    @brandonmatthews9526 Před 2 lety +5

    Hey Matt, on the idea that it wouldn't know if it was stowed or deployed, or if there was something in the way of it stowing, a lot of these DC motors nowadays are controlled via H bridges with a shunt built in so I'm sure Tesla is monitoring motor current in the little control module to detect when the handle is seeing more resistance than a free-moving handle would.

    • @mechadrake
      @mechadrake Před 2 lety +3

      and ice exists on this planet, handles freeze again :D

  • @thekyledebacker
    @thekyledebacker Před rokem

    I worked at NUMI in Fremont in 2012 as a college summer temp job as a material research board technician. Basically I received, inventoried and routed parts to engineers for failure analysis. I went though probably 12 pallet sized boxes of door handles in 3 months or so. Door handles always seemed to be an issue.

  • @cyrustakem7993
    @cyrustakem7993 Před 2 lety

    DFMEA meetings sound the best.
    "someone is going to try to shove a stick there"
    "no one is that stupid"
    "yes they are"
    that sounds like a fucking amazing meeting

  • @FordGranada75
    @FordGranada75 Před 2 lety +8

    One question remains: are the new door handles interchangeable with an old one that's prone to failure?

    • @derekwallin2624
      @derekwallin2624 Před 2 lety

      OOOOH interesting. I would assume no due to connection differences. Changing from the old analog type sensors to the new digitial would mean a very different computing scene up the line.
      but thats just this dumb MEs thoughts.

    • @dfabeagle718
      @dfabeagle718 Před 2 lety

      @@derekwallin2624 sounds legit - the body control module has to be able to read the SENT signal.

    • @chrstphrr
      @chrstphrr Před 2 lety

      @@dfabeagle718 maybe the old cars would work with swapping the module that receives the SENT signals? Or that would cause a cascade of other parts that would also need to be replaced to "simply" retrofit the newer door handle modules to an older Model S.

    • @KiwiNeale
      @KiwiNeale Před 2 lety

      Could be done if someone developed a converter module that interfaces between the new SENT door handle and the old wiring harness. The signals from the new handle get converted to signals which the old body control computer expects to see. An aftermarket supplier opportunity?

  • @MasterofNoneTV
    @MasterofNoneTV Před 2 lety +3

    this was an amazing insight. I audibly said "wow", and "what? No way" a few times during this video. Props for making me say things out loud Matt!

  • @justinssleeyt
    @justinssleeyt Před 2 lety

    mechanical engineer here. i loved this teardown & analysis. commenting to spare you from future DFMEA meetings.

  • @maxartemas5995
    @maxartemas5995 Před rokem

    Something similar to the "SENT" system has been present in model railways for years. It's called DCC, which uses AC rather than DC to send signals to locomotives, points and other devices. Each DCC chip is assigned a programmable code, and when you use a DCC bus to send signals, it sends a signal that only the chip that it is trying to send signals to can read. This means you can have several devices reading complicated instructions on the same two wires. It's mostly used to run multiple trains on the same, unisolated track layout, with independent control.

  • @peterflynn9123
    @peterflynn9123 Před 2 lety +9

    That was a cool video. I love finding solutions to problems - and the update is WAY more elegant.

    • @jasonross5358
      @jasonross5358 Před 2 lety +2

      I’m still disturbed by the lack of (always open) external handles. If a Tesla crashes, and power is lost, bystanders will not be able to quickly pull the doors open.

  • @856Dropout
    @856Dropout Před 2 lety +6

    This is quickly becoming my favorite channel on all of CZcams. I learn something with every video. Multiple things in fact.

  • @e-test9810
    @e-test9810 Před 2 lety

    3:40 sometimes the door handle freezes and you pull extra hard on it causing it to break.

  • @cj691
    @cj691 Před 4 měsíci

    It sure sounds like they can do a mixture of measuring the motor current and testing the rotation of the handle sensor while trying to actuate the motor.

  • @derekwallin2624
    @derekwallin2624 Před 2 lety +8

    I love this guy. Absolute best engineering humor. F*

  • @Goodgu3963
    @Goodgu3963 Před 2 lety +5

    I absolutely love this channel's mix of "car repair show" + "professional youtuber" + "sarcastic comedy" It's a combination I didn't know I needed, but absolutely do.

  • @ExxonYT
    @ExxonYT Před 2 lety

    one of those middle wires is data/power out to the latch. (I work for the company that supplies tesla door latches)

  • @Legominder
    @Legominder Před 2 lety +5

    5:12 "Apple uses a lot of magnets."😅true indeed.
    And, I have to say: Magnets actually are magical.

  • @jenkinseric2
    @jenkinseric2 Před 2 lety +6

    One of the best videos I have ever seen about anything. I love your sense of humour (I am in Canada so I spell humour the right way). I am keeping track of your Jag. great series

  • @chrismonsen
    @chrismonsen Před 2 lety +35

    Oh you are so close to 100K!!!! Congratulations!

  • @TheMan1958
    @TheMan1958 Před rokem

    I have been experiencing the miss-planned doorhandle thing and had to wait a whole week to have it fixed at the support org. at upplands vasby, 2 minutes from my home.

  • @matt_uk
    @matt_uk Před 2 lety +1

    Very interesting video, but your description of how the angle data is transmitted via the SENT protocol is somewhat off the mark. It does not rely on the duration of a pulse; it is encoded digitally and sent in the 4-bit data packets D0 to D2. Values range from 0000 0000 0000 to 1111 1111 1111 (which equals 0 to 4095) when using the single sensor format. There are some other formats which encode the data packets in a slightly different way, but the principle remains the same.

  • @seasong7655
    @seasong7655 Před 2 lety +8

    I guess the downside of the new design are the magnets, which can be demagnetized and also require rare earth elements. Also the SENT protocol needs to measure the duration of the 5V, so if the timings of the quartz crystals drift apart over time, then it can also cause issues.

    • @jpinto3912
      @jpinto3912 Před 2 lety +10

      Those are tiny (coffee machine, laptop, etc, all use these), nothing comparable to the kgs needed on the motor rotors. The way to demagnetize these is by subjecting them to 100+ºC temperatures. If your door handle sees that, the door card, paint, etc, are toast. SENT has a calibration pulse, making all output relative to it, so it works with large deviations of sender-receiver timebases.

    • @davewilliams6172
      @davewilliams6172 Před 2 lety

      @@jpinto3912 I knew that....honest!

    • @RustOnWheels
      @RustOnWheels Před 2 lety

      @@jpinto3912 darn clever protocol!
      And couldn’t have come on a better time! I was thinking about using CANbus doe my Hudson. Not anymore!

    • @seasong7655
      @seasong7655 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jpinto3912 Heat can cause it, but also impacts, like during a car crash.

    • @ikocheratcr
      @ikocheratcr Před 2 lety +4

      Crystal drift, or any other clock frequency changes are not an issue, the SENT protocol has a synchronization pulse at the start of every packet (32bits = packet).

  • @Captkilla11
    @Captkilla11 Před 2 lety +47

    All Hail the algorithm!

  • @TomBekaert
    @TomBekaert Před rokem

    I've watched many a Superfast Matt video. This is the one where i set my slider back to 6 min 27 seconds ON REPEAT!

  • @Cassandra_Johnson
    @Cassandra_Johnson Před 2 lety

    If they monitor the current draw on the motor at the drive circuitry, they can know when it reaches the limit. Remember how you used to be able to knudge your cdrom tray to get it to retract? Same idea.

  • @DHxJarsyl
    @DHxJarsyl Před 2 lety +10

    "If I can't see them, they must not be there"
    AHhh, superfastmatt just got snapped out of existence.

  • @ConstantijnKool
    @ConstantijnKool Před 2 lety +3

    can the new ones be retrofitted to older model s cars?

    • @SuperfastMatt
      @SuperfastMatt  Před 2 lety +2

      The old ones are controlled on the door handle, and the new ones are controlled on an exterior controller (door controller maybe). Though an intermediate controller could probably be added. I doubt Tesla has done this.

  • @beeza
    @beeza Před 2 lety

    “The door handle will begin to present itself”
    Making it sound like an animal planet mating clip

  • @kageotaku
    @kageotaku Před rokem

    As an ME, your comments about not being able to see fields and therefore they must exist really resonated with me.

  • @questioner1596
    @questioner1596 Před 2 lety +10

    Something I hope is brought up in DFMEA meetings is the effects of cold and ice. I've had Toyotas that won't fully latch the hatch in winter because the interior heat melts the snow around the door, it falls to the bottom and refreezes. I end up going outside several times per winter with a hair dryer. I imagine the Tesla door handle might break as described if ice jams it open.
    Also, I had an iPhone5 that would give a temperature lockout telling me to allow the phone to cool off before I could use it whenever I would go ice fishing at -30°C. I figured out the problem when I turned the phone over: "Designed in California." It's not always stupid users but designers who can't imagine use cases outside of their own experience.

  • @rennkafer13
    @rennkafer13 Před 2 lety +12

    DMFEA meetings vs "Every time man invents an idiot-proof system, God invents better idiots"

    • @Biden_is_demented
      @Biden_is_demented Před 2 lety +1

      They are already here. It´s just that they haven´t got their hands on a Tesla yet. And when they do, their first mistake is taking the car to a gas station to refuel.

  • @Dansk55
    @Dansk55 Před 2 lety +2

    This actually made me appreciate my old Toyota even more. And this is from someone who's owned a newer Audi Q5

  • @jaykaknes1133
    @jaykaknes1133 Před 3 měsíci

    I spoke with a former Tesla tech that is now running a private garage that services all types of EVs. We discussed the old vs new Model S door handle. The old style though prone to failure is repairable. The new style is not. It is prone to failure due to the insufficient sealing of the wires in the module. $500 for a new handle or $200 to fix the old one.