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Nobody can be arsed to remember EVERYTHING in computer science, it's better to be able to solve questions with the resources you have access to than to just memorize as many random facts as you can.
@@dorkpool768 wow... you got it rough! 😅 electricity is so far from coding.. to this day.. i might not be able to tell you different between live wire... and... what the other one is called (cant remember hahaa) .. i just remember ground is brown
The sad thing is, the advertisement isn't even presenting the company in a good light. If computer scientists can't do this test from the top of their heads then the test is clearly not well laid out and does not represent what you need to know to be a computer scientist.. Like, why would anyone EVER need to be able to write SQL from the top of their heads? You will always have access to a computer when you are writing SQL and most likely even use something like Visual Studio Code that gives you IntelliSense...
Proof that when you have completed generalized study, a vast percentage of said study will either be forgotten or irrelevant to the specialized knowledge which you gradually obtain in a much more specific field.
Kind of, but that's still not the proof. I am studying now and based on what the guys in the video talked about, they had troubles either with some unrelated stuff (e.g. ordinal numbers, what do they have to do with CS? it's more about maths, set theory in particular; or flip-flops, it's more about electrical engineering rather than CS, it's like asking a doctor something about cooking because food is related to health) which makes not that signifficant part of studying, or about some very specific stuff like SQL, which can be easily forgotten if you don't need it on a regular basis, while some people do need it. Uni gives you a broad range of knowledge so that you can work in a lot of areas after graduating and also gives you a lot of 'passive' knowledge, i.e. things you don't remember on the spot, but you can easily refresh your memory in a couple of days instead of much more time to learn it from scratch
Антоша Пушкин He doesn’t understand the fact that different knowledge and theories can be applied to different careers and specifications. Like even though you have to take Physics in Computer Engineering, doesn’t mean that knowledge will help you in your future career path. However, if you were to work on physics engines or nuclear power, then taking physics would come in handy. People like him always come on the internet and try to prove how pointless they believe college is. Little do they know a lot of the technology they use is created because of college graduates who went through Chemistry, Physics, Circuits, Linear Algebra, Computer Science, etc. I just laugh at those people who are so simple minded and ignorant of the world and knowledge.
Please don't mistake me based on a single sentence. I have made no statement to claim that college/university study is pointless or worthless; you've put those words into my mouth. That's not a very honest or polite thing to do. (Look up Cathy Newman for example.) As a matter of fact, I have put in 8 years of university study; a double bachelors degree and then moved on to a research masters degree. The engineering principles I learned in my undergraduate study were so many and varied that very few of them were ultimately applicable/relevant to my masters research. Finite element analysis was one facet of engineering I was introduced to in my undergrad studies, and comprised a significant part of my masters. The other major component of the research (simulation development) was programming based. All capability I have in programming and software design is self taught, and was pretty much as important to the project and its outcome as the knowledge I had gained from my bachelor studies. Hence my single sentence comment based on my personal experience, in addition to my pending commencement of an industrially affiliated PhD project. Contrary to the assumptions made about my one sentence (do I need to write an essay for every comment these days to establish context?), there is definitely gain to be made from further study. It's not so much what you learn, but you learn HOW to learn. The individual is made able to tackle new concepts and problems with confidence and the ability to quickly locate knowledge resources to bring themselves up to speed on the topic. My original comment echoes my sadness/frustration that the content of several years of my previous study is not currently of use to me, nor has it been since I learned it. And that is a given in all fields. I wish that 100% of my time spent studying could be leveraged behind my current research, but that's a bit idealistic perhaps. I would consider it simple minded and ignorant of the world and of knowledge, to lump someone into some pre-constructed or pre-conceived category or stereotype based on a single sentence, but time teaches us all. Next time, ask questions. For example, what is your background/experience which made you aggressive to defend the educated? I actually appreciate that. I've copped quite a bit of derision/belittlement myself in the past for committing myself to so much study. Cheers.
same thing happens in medicine. Specialists that encounter high acuity cases that are very specific to their field have trouble diagnosing basic, low-acuity cases that they haven't been exposed to since residency. You can have a bariatric surgeon perform triple bypass surgery but have trouble diagnosing acute otitis
University teaches you how to think properly. That's the biggest thing you learn in a computer science degree I think. But remembering all the extra fluff is just that, fluff and isn't needed.
I consider fluff to be things like ordinal numbers. Proper memory management, pointer logic and design patterns etc are all things people should learn. But hey, c's get degrees haha. Let's just say I scrapped through more than one course with a c or close to it.
70% of what I took away from A-level (biology, maths, physics, chemistry) was irrelevant in medical school. 50% of what I took away from medical school has no real-world applications in clinical practice. As a doctor, I access maybe 20% of my knowledge to help my patients because this knowledge is privileged information. That is, they aren't information readily available on the internet (i.e. how the health system works, different streams of funding, the right people to contact for specific problems etc.) Most patients do most of their research on Google before they come to see me and they know a lot more about themselves than I ever will. Also, these days, I spend more time curbing misinformation rather than giving information. Lol. Much of my job involves calming patients down because the internet is very scary.
+John, Perhaps. But there will always be misinformation so that's where we come in. :) Then again, some people would rather believe misinformation (i.e homoepathy) than mainstream medicine.
You could dedicate some portion of your time to finding ways in which your knowledge is relevant to this rapidly changing world. At least that's what I would do, were I a doctor (or lawyer; same difference).
+John, That's a good thought. Indeed, me and my colleagues are constantly baffled by the rapid changes in the world of medicine we feel we couldn't keep up! If only we had a crystal ball.
If you picked up on what they kept hinting at, they might need that "stuff" at some point, they just wouldnt know it off the top of their heads, or theyd look it up. No reason to clog your mind endlessly like universities teach, learn to use your resources
goes to show that a level computer science is an introduction to all areas of computer science rather than what they were studying at uni which is a deep understanding of one specific field. since you dont even need the a level its possible they never even learnt it
Most of the stuff you learn in any school you won't need in real live. The problem is you can't know what you'll need, so the more you know the better prepared you are. Having said that. An University degree is a foundation for your career and further studies. Since when is a foundation a fully build house? The knowledge from an University lets you learn and adapt to change faster than someone that does not have a solid foundation. There are exception just like with anything else, this is why I'm talking about the average guy. Your line of thinking reminds me of: xkcd.com/1050/
All your text is based on the statement "Most of the stuff you learn in any school you won't need in real live. ", which i didn't say, if you read carefully i actually said "theorical stuff".
batabatonica ik you werent replying to me but theoretical computer science is a qualification in itself. People who study it will absolutely be needing it in their job.
In my programming class we take exams with full access to the internet, Stack Overflow and our books, to imitate the work of real programmers... you still need to have a good understanding of the concepts to be able to use those tools.
Damn. That seems a good way of doing it I think... Actually, I do BTEC, with lots of course work where we are allowed to use the internet in the projects. But in the written exams, we have to just rely on memory.
I wish we had that. In our lectures we have to write our code on paper and we can't use any resources except for what was provided on the test. Our lab exams are a bit more lenient since we can use all of our past lab work but not the internet.
I got high 90's in my A-level maths and continued to get a degree in engineering. Around Jan this year, I decided to go over a past paper from my A-level maths, and I'm not embarrassed to say that I struggled with many of the questions. All of my defining knowledge is developed through experience. A static exam has its place for comparative measurement between peers, but it really has no place in the 'real world'
I got 100 and I disagree. Yes, I do struggle with some of the questions and I believe defining knowledge is primarily developed through experience in the field but a static exam has its utility in the 'real world.' A static exam may not measure one's ability to perform real-world tasks adequately but it covers a wide variety of topics you may not use significantly in an actual work environment yet may need to understand to correct issues in your code and optimize.
This is true for every single degree you can get. They throw walls of text at you expecting you to memorize them as if you wouldn't be able to research a solution on the spot and somehow need to have every answer ready at the top of your head. They don't bother teaching you how to think, just what to think.
Obviously they are all very intelligent individuals but this just goes to show that passing standardized assessments and understanding your field are two completely different things. Personally i think the latter is where formal education fails. Probably why the top entrepreneurs and executives say that they don't really care about degrees.
M. de k. Nah Cambridge is so competitive someone with a CS degree does know there stuff. She just probably hadn’t done architecture since Alevel herself, or at least since year 1 (at Cambridge all modules are cord in year 1). That doesn’t make her a bad computer scientist- she doesn’t need to know about architecture to be a software dev for example.
Just a word of encouragement. I failed A-Level computing. But I'm now a 3rd year computer science student who has already found a job as a software engineer. There are a lot of factors to being successful like teachers and environment. so you shouldn't feel down and just keep on trying to progress
Please tell me everything from Failing computing to landing a job in software. I want to learn from you so I can also land a job as a full stack developer! Should I do a degree in cs or do a software engineering degree apprenticeship? Any help is much appreciated thanks!
@@shakz2077 I failed computing. I dropped it but then I carried on with 3 other subjects Maths, Physics and accounting. I finished with DDD. So I got on to a course with a foundation year (even if you don't have the requirements, you still might get in via clearing). and then I graduated 1st class (your classification doesn't really mean much in the real world). and then I just applied for jobs. Does that help? The most important thing tho isn't really your grades, it's your mental health btw.
@@ll01dm thank you, this helps. Are foundation years worth it and are they easy? I’m trying to get into the university of Birmingham for a computer science degree but I don’t have a stars, the only way I can get in is through a foundation year.
@@shakz2077 they are worth it imo. I've met several people come out of foundation years, and they have done really well for themselves. TBH for me, uni was just easier than a-levels (except 2nd year). 3rd year is just time management, if you can do that, it's doable
@@ll01dm alright, thank you so much for the advice, a levels have stressed me out so much becuase I’m not keeping up with everyone else. In secondary I used to be the top student of the year in computer science for 3 consecutive years but now when I came to sixth form I’m doing so bad. Hopefully things turn out better for me
I last worked with SQL some 3 years ago. While it was very easy to learn and apply, I probably wouldn't be able to use the right commands for the right type of query off the top of my head. lol
Compilation is a poorly defined concept to begin with. I've heard people argue it's interpreted and not compiled, it's compiled and not interpreted and now I've heard it is both.
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At my school, there are seperate programs for computer science and computer engineering. Computer science deals more with high level language programming and much more software theory while computer engineering has more of an emphasis on low-level/computer architecture. I hear things about logic gates, D flop flops, and program counters which I learned from my digital systems classes (comp eng) while my friend can run circles around me about frameworks and code. But cmon. SQL can be learned in a day if you really tried.
Computer science is the study of if and how something can be computed. Computer engineering is the study of how to build machines that compute solutions for problems. There is a bit of intersection, but not really one that interest most students.
Same here, I went with the computer engineering side of things and now I work almost exclusively with C++.... just goes to show college is about learning how to learn and rarely results in work that is orientated with your college workload.
At my uni we also have "software development", which is the more practical end. We learn a bit of both of their expertise (advanced computer logic and advanced physics), but nearly not as deep as them. Our curriculum revolves around practical thinking, and a gifted genius can usually stroll through the tests with minimal learning, because the exams are practice oriented. They always give the bare minimum material to "cheat from", because they know, being able to memorize them all won't make a difference, being able to correctly and efficiently use them will. People fail left and right, not because they didn't know enough, but because they chose to 'learn' instead of 'practise'. Most comp.sci. and comp.eng. students here cannot wirte a basic software without the source code looking like a mess, meanwhile even some of our better BSC students are being offered contracts at respected software companies already. As a tradeoff we probably won't ever work in hardware development or advanced computer science research, because that's not what we are about.
Nah, man. It's almost like quantum mechanics for doctors. Doctors don't need to understand quantum interactions and to know how to solve Shrödinger's equation because it's too low level from what they do. It's a good if you understand underlying ideas and mechanisms of complex systems, but usually you don't need to or you should understand very limited set of it. For example, if you are a Java or C++ programmer, it's good to understand how to write cache-efficient code, i.e. that memory usage should be temporally and spatially localized, but you don't need to understand every aspect of computer architecture because problems you solve have nothing to do with computer architecture. I used to think like you some time ago, but that's naïve. It's good to know basics, but it's usually not necessary
"Write SQL...off the top of my head?" Literally what I was thinking during an interview last week. Bruh, comp sci people google shit just like everyone else.
Cardinals are about cardinality (like of a set) - the number of elements. Ordinals are about the order (like ordered indices of elements in a countable set)
People have there specializations upon graduation and they will forget what they don't need anymore. However, at a earlier stage, we need to touch the "surface area" of many fields to find out what we are interested and good at. Well, high school education is doing that job.
This just goes to show how the term 'Computer Science' has become corrupted to mean very different things now. For example, Programming is not Computer Science and neither is Software Engineering. What was it Djikstra said - “Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes”. When I learned my CS, it was defined as the ‘Theoretical Study of Computation’, and, as such, it was really a branch of mathematics. We used to have saying about the computers we had (the few that we had), ‘The computers are for email and writing-up, please use the blackboards for the computer science.’ If we switch disciplines to something like the construction industry, we should perhaps think of the Computer Scientist in terms of the ‘Materials Scientist’. Materials Scientists go as deep as studying substances’ atomic structures, and essentially spend their time devising new, better, materials. Those new materials are, in turn, used by Civil Engineers (the Software Engineers), to design structures that are fit for purpose. They don’t need to know the atomic structure etc of the materials they employ, just some of the essential properties (c.f., the running time of an algorithm vs designing algorithms in the first place). Lastly, we need people to build what the Civil Engineers design - these are the skilled builders/programmers. There’s a pyramid structure to all of this - fewer theoreticians, more builders. What we should be teaching in schools is not ‘computer science’, but more mathematics. Indeed, that’s something that my old institution recommends if you want to come and study Computer Science there - maths, further maths, decision maths, statistics - all the maths you can swallow, and not this crap - I don’t know what to call it - ‘computer science’ A-level thing.
I found that in A levels especially in exams you have to do what you been told, and fight against logic to pass them. If you try to apply what you learned in a practical view while you studying you will suffer a lot.
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Seriously, seeing such things on CZcams really does lower one's confidence level, now doesn't it? I'm going to be taking CIE A-Level Computer Science 9608 and, to make matters worse, I'm going to self study it. Any advice would be highly appreciated so feel free to share some...
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Lol that reminds me - my boss is the SVP of the division of our company. I was given an assignment and asked if it would be better to present the data as a histogram. He didn't know what a histogram was lmao, nor a frequency distribution chart.
i'm sat on an A for my coursework, got my exams in a few weeks. Im fairly confident in my computing skills already but the syllabus is filled with specifics that if you miss may fail you so i guess its best to go through with that... For me chemistry is gonna be the real pain in the ass to revise.
"Draw a logic circuit" What a nightmare lol!!! I was never so happy to finish a class as I was my digital circuits class. I enjoy coding, not designing logic circuits!
I’m sorry to say this but I am glad that even top students don’t know everything in CS. I’m myself a student in 3rd year and honestly is very difficult, the learning never stops but it’s also a very competitive field
I'm not sure if this applies to every subject, but I feel like Cambridge is the most difficult A level exam board. For instance, the A level Math Edexcel course is basically the same coverage as the AS level Cambridge Math course. Let's not mention the increased question difficulty in Cambridge as well.
I'm not surprised, even if it's an ad. Finished in the top 10% of my graduating year (not computer science) and went straight to a master's degree. I took on the national exam of my "expertise" area a few years later and I couldn't answer half the questions because of how dumb they were. I think the prime example, and one that everyone can understand if you're studying engineering is... those 3 years studying maths in high school go to shit when you learn on how to do stuff that took 3 pages to solve with a 3 step equation or when you were thaught on how to use those 3 years of maths in 1 calculus class in 4 months because of how simplified those maths could get. I've never ran into major problems at work and holy crap, that exam made me sweat more than any of the projects I've been involved ever did in terms of not knowing stuff.
You know it'd be REALLY SWELL if there wasn't some bizarro elevator music playing at the same level as the mutterings of these three blokes. You know, so I could understand the important stuff they say.
I asked my professor that is close to retire and has worked on pretty much everything including computer vision to help me with my UDP maintaining a constant connection, and he wasn't sure how to do it exactly. CS is huge, you can't know everything.
Plus, those exams are not intended for someone to score well on... when I took the CompSci GRE I think I got a 50% on the questions but that was 99th percentile.. as long as you're being compared to peers a test can be made overhard... it's better to do that if you want accurate results
I’m a 2nd year CS major so I probably don’t have the credence to say this but most of my programming knowledge wasn’t from my courses, but just googling what I didn’t know.
on my uni website for the CS degree page, there was a quote from one of the alumni saying something like "a CS degree is basically a problem-solving degree, good coding skills come when you get a job" and tbh that made me feel a lot better about my future lol super fun video too and I think it really goes to show just how irrelevant exams will be later on in life *sigh*
I'm a Data Scientist but I could answer most of the question as they are generally related to Math. One who thinks he/she can master Computer Science without studying Math, they are hell wrong. You gotta study Math and use logical concepts to solve such questions. Practically, Math is the only thing which you won't forget ever.
my uncle made fun of me when i said i wanted to study math. i told him that i can use math for a lot of things but he said that even he knows a great deal of it but doesnt even use more than half of it. he says he only deals with basic math, he is an engineer who owns a small steel detailing company
Computer engineering in italy courses udergraduate degrees: 3 courses about math analysis. 1/2 courses about algebra and logic. 1 course about computer architectures. 2/3 courses about electronics. 2/3 courses about telecomunication. 2/3 courses about automation. 5/6 courses about functional/object oriented/data base/ algoritms /et simila arguments. 1/2 extra courses. How is structured in your country computer engineering undergraduate degrees?
Currently studying for my 1st year compsci exam at uni and the way they make you learn and apply knowledge for an exam is so so different to learning how to be a competent programmer- compsci exams are ridiculous
Honestly it’s a load of you know what. What they should do is just train you for your job instead of giving you tests which prove your memory not if you can actually do the job.
I've just finished my 2nd year of my CS degree and I can confirm that a lot of the material that is taught during Computing class at high school is dumb.
You should understand, that not everyone will be a simple coder after university. I have also forgotten some of the stuff, but I still use the concepts of my field, which is AI, someone who isn't doing AI will thing those things are useless. Anyway it's good to at least have some understanding of the concepts. Anyway it would have been better, to see the questions, or at leas get a summary, I got only a very general idea what they were.
I learned what ordinal numbers were in primary school math. i've never even heard that term in university. what does it even have to do with computer science?
Video is Okay... You should show the questions that they're doing so the viewer can follow along. I couldn't tell how difficult the question was because they were just kind of mumbling it to themselves
A level/gcse student: *gets a good mark*
Government: *they are getting too good at this, let's add some more content and get rid of the extra help on the front*
Lol that's true, I'm taking gcse french and someone I know that took A level French said it was as hard as the current GCSE papers
Lol
That goes to show even the top computer scientist uses stack overflow
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Well , Albert Einstein did say that " Never memorize something that you can look up"
Nobody can be arsed to remember EVERYTHING in computer science, it's better to be able to solve questions with the resources you have access to than to just memorize as many random facts as you can.
Everyone who codes does
"its a lie"
"I cant even fix my own wifi in my room!"
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ikr, my dad keeps asking me to do random things. Like damn, I know how to code not how to repair the house electricity.
@@dorkpool768 wow... you got it rough! 😅 electricity is so far from coding.. to this day.. i might not be able to tell you different between live wire... and... what the other one is called (cant remember hahaa) .. i just remember ground is brown
Let's not forget that this is an advertisement
The sad thing is, the advertisement isn't even presenting the company in a good light. If computer scientists can't do this test from the top of their heads then the test is clearly not well laid out and does not represent what you need to know to be a computer scientist.. Like, why would anyone EVER need to be able to write SQL from the top of their heads? You will always have access to a computer when you are writing SQL and most likely even use something like Visual Studio Code that gives you IntelliSense...
@@MiniDemonic The company hasnt made the test, thats just what 17-18 year olds are required to do in the UK.
@@etch3130 So the UK government is dumb then.
@@MiniDemonic Not so fast. Exam boards give out grades and set questions. So atleast one of about 5 exam boards is dumb.
Proof that when you have completed generalized study, a vast percentage of said study will either be forgotten or irrelevant to the specialized knowledge which you gradually obtain in a much more specific field.
Kind of, but that's still not the proof. I am studying now and based on what the guys in the video talked about, they had troubles either with some unrelated stuff (e.g. ordinal numbers, what do they have to do with CS? it's more about maths, set theory in particular; or flip-flops, it's more about electrical engineering rather than CS, it's like asking a doctor something about cooking because food is related to health) which makes not that signifficant part of studying, or about some very specific stuff like SQL, which can be easily forgotten if you don't need it on a regular basis, while some people do need it.
Uni gives you a broad range of knowledge so that you can work in a lot of areas after graduating and also gives you a lot of 'passive' knowledge, i.e. things you don't remember on the spot, but you can easily refresh your memory in a couple of days instead of much more time to learn it from scratch
Антоша Пушкин He doesn’t understand the fact that different knowledge and theories can be applied to different careers and specifications. Like even though you have to take Physics in Computer Engineering, doesn’t mean that knowledge will help you in your future career path. However, if you were to work on physics engines or nuclear power, then taking physics would come in handy. People like him always come on the internet and try to prove how pointless they believe college is. Little do they know a lot of the technology they use is created because of college graduates who went through Chemistry, Physics, Circuits, Linear Algebra, Computer Science, etc. I just laugh at those people who are so simple minded and ignorant of the world and knowledge.
Please don't mistake me based on a single sentence. I have made no statement to claim that college/university study is pointless or worthless; you've put those words into my mouth. That's not a very honest or polite thing to do. (Look up Cathy Newman for example.)
As a matter of fact, I have put in 8 years of university study; a double bachelors degree and then moved on to a research masters degree. The engineering principles I learned in my undergraduate study were so many and varied that very few of them were ultimately applicable/relevant to my masters research. Finite element analysis was one facet of engineering I was introduced to in my undergrad studies, and comprised a significant part of my masters. The other major component of the research (simulation development) was programming based. All capability I have in programming and software design is self taught, and was pretty much as important to the project and its outcome as the knowledge I had gained from my bachelor studies. Hence my single sentence comment based on my personal experience, in addition to my pending commencement of an industrially affiliated PhD project.
Contrary to the assumptions made about my one sentence (do I need to write an essay for every comment these days to establish context?), there is definitely gain to be made from further study. It's not so much what you learn, but you learn HOW to learn. The individual is made able to tackle new concepts and problems with confidence and the ability to quickly locate knowledge resources to bring themselves up to speed on the topic. My original comment echoes my sadness/frustration that the content of several years of my previous study is not currently of use to me, nor has it been since I learned it. And that is a given in all fields. I wish that 100% of my time spent studying could be leveraged behind my current research, but that's a bit idealistic perhaps.
I would consider it simple minded and ignorant of the world and of knowledge, to lump someone into some pre-constructed or pre-conceived category or stereotype based on a single sentence, but time teaches us all. Next time, ask questions. For example, what is your background/experience which made you aggressive to defend the educated? I actually appreciate that. I've copped quite a bit of derision/belittlement myself in the past for committing myself to so much study. Cheers.
The thing is these concepts lay the foundation for everyone to branch off to specializations that take a subset of these concepts
same thing happens in medicine. Specialists that encounter high acuity cases that are very specific to their field have trouble diagnosing basic, low-acuity cases that they haven't been exposed to since residency. You can have a bariatric surgeon perform triple bypass surgery but have trouble diagnosing acute otitis
University teaches you how to think properly. That's the biggest thing you learn in a computer science degree I think. But remembering all the extra fluff is just that, fluff and isn't needed.
I wouldn't say it's not needed, but it can be learned again if you need quite fast and easily
Cameron Porter use that justification after a C is given to you on a test.
I consider fluff to be things like ordinal numbers. Proper memory management, pointer logic and design patterns etc are all things people should learn. But hey, c's get degrees haha. Let's just say I scrapped through more than one course with a c or close to it.
Cameron Porter everything they teach you is needed otherwise why would they teach it to you in the first place ?
Im sick of people justifying degrees by saying they teach u "how to think". U do not need an overpriced 3+ yr degree to learn how to think.
70% of what I took away from A-level (biology, maths, physics, chemistry) was irrelevant in medical school. 50% of what I took away from medical school has no real-world applications in clinical practice.
As a doctor, I access maybe 20% of my knowledge to help my patients because this knowledge is privileged information. That is, they aren't information readily available on the internet (i.e. how the health system works, different streams of funding, the right people to contact for specific problems etc.) Most patients do most of their research on Google before they come to see me and they know a lot more about themselves than I ever will.
Also, these days, I spend more time curbing misinformation rather than giving information. Lol. Much of my job involves calming patients down because the internet is very scary.
Should have studied psycho as well
Sounds like your profession is quickly becoming irrelevant.
+John,
Perhaps. But there will always be misinformation so that's where we come in. :) Then again, some people would rather believe misinformation (i.e homoepathy) than mainstream medicine.
You could dedicate some portion of your time to finding ways in which your knowledge is relevant to this rapidly changing world. At least that's what I would do, were I a doctor (or lawyer; same difference).
+John,
That's a good thought. Indeed, me and my colleagues are constantly baffled by the rapid changes in the world of medicine we feel we couldn't keep up! If only we had a crystal ball.
Goes to show that in the real world you don't even need most of the theorical stuff they teach you
If you picked up on what they kept hinting at, they might need that "stuff" at some point, they just wouldnt know it off the top of their heads, or theyd look it up. No reason to clog your mind endlessly like universities teach, learn to use your resources
goes to show that a level computer science is an introduction to all areas of computer science rather than what they were studying at uni which is a deep understanding of one specific field. since you dont even need the a level its possible they never even learnt it
Most of the stuff you learn in any school you won't need in real live.
The problem is you can't know what you'll need, so the more you know the better prepared you are.
Having said that. An University degree is a foundation for your career and further studies.
Since when is a foundation a fully build house?
The knowledge from an University lets you learn and adapt to change faster than someone that does not have a solid foundation.
There are exception just like with anything else, this is why I'm talking about the average guy.
Your line of thinking reminds me of:
xkcd.com/1050/
All your text is based on the statement "Most of the stuff you learn in any school you won't need in real live.
", which i didn't say, if you read carefully i actually said "theorical stuff".
batabatonica ik you werent replying to me but theoretical computer science is a qualification in itself. People who study it will absolutely be needing it in their job.
In my programming class we take exams with full access to the internet, Stack Overflow and our books, to imitate the work of real programmers... you still need to have a good understanding of the concepts to be able to use those tools.
Damn. That seems a good way of doing it I think...
Actually, I do BTEC, with lots of course work where we are allowed to use the internet in the projects. But in the written exams, we have to just rely on memory.
I wish we had that. In our lectures we have to write our code on paper and we can't use any resources except for what was provided on the test. Our lab exams are a bit more lenient since we can use all of our past lab work but not the internet.
"Write SQL off the top of my head?"
Honestly that should be easy as f for basic SQL
I got high 90's in my A-level maths and continued to get a degree in engineering. Around Jan this year, I decided to go over a past paper from my A-level maths, and I'm not embarrassed to say that I struggled with many of the questions. All of my defining knowledge is developed through experience. A static exam has its place for comparative measurement between peers, but it really has no place in the 'real world'
I got 100 and I disagree. Yes, I do struggle with some of the questions and I believe defining knowledge is primarily developed through experience in the field but a static exam has its utility in the 'real world.' A static exam may not measure one's ability to perform real-world tasks adequately but it covers a wide variety of topics you may not use significantly in an actual work environment yet may need to understand to correct issues in your code and optimize.
This is true for every single degree you can get.
They throw walls of text at you expecting you to memorize them as if you wouldn't be able to research a solution on the spot and somehow need to have every answer ready at the top of your head. They don't bother teaching you how to think, just what to think.
im revising for my exam now and seeing that they were struggling has made me so happy i loved this video.
this guy XD
Obviously they are all very intelligent individuals but this just goes to show that passing standardized assessments and understanding your field are two completely different things. Personally i think the latter is where formal education fails.
Probably why the top entrepreneurs and executives say that they don't really care about degrees.
M. de k. Nah Cambridge is so competitive someone with a CS degree does know there stuff. She just probably hadn’t done architecture since Alevel herself, or at least since year 1 (at Cambridge all modules are cord in year 1). That doesn’t make her a bad computer scientist- she doesn’t need to know about architecture to be a software dev for example.
Just a word of encouragement. I failed A-Level computing. But I'm now a 3rd year computer science student who has already found a job as a software engineer. There are a lot of factors to being successful like teachers and environment. so you shouldn't feel down and just keep on trying to progress
Please tell me everything from Failing computing to landing a job in software. I want to learn from you so I can also land a job as a full stack developer! Should I do a degree in cs or do a software engineering degree apprenticeship? Any help is much appreciated thanks!
@@shakz2077 I failed computing. I dropped it but then I carried on with 3 other subjects Maths, Physics and accounting. I finished with DDD. So I got on to a course with a foundation year (even if you don't have the requirements, you still might get in via clearing). and then I graduated 1st class (your classification doesn't really mean much in the real world). and then I just applied for jobs. Does that help? The most important thing tho isn't really your grades, it's your mental health btw.
@@ll01dm thank you, this helps. Are foundation years worth it and are they easy? I’m trying to get into the university of Birmingham for a computer science degree but I don’t have a stars, the only way I can get in is through a foundation year.
@@shakz2077 they are worth it imo. I've met several people come out of foundation years, and they have done really well for themselves. TBH for me, uni was just easier than a-levels (except 2nd year). 3rd year is just time management, if you can do that, it's doable
@@ll01dm alright, thank you so much for the advice, a levels have stressed me out so much becuase I’m not keeping up with everyone else. In secondary I used to be the top student of the year in computer science for 3 consecutive years but now when I came to sixth form I’m doing so bad. Hopefully things turn out better for me
SQL is the most "human" sounding language out of all of them though.
MobiusCoin i so agree with u
Nope. Brainfuck is.
"Es cue el"
I last worked with SQL some 3 years ago. While it was very easy to learn and apply, I probably wouldn't be able to use the right commands for the right type of query off the top of my head. lol
Nope. I vote for python(of course as a programming language not as a query language)
Seeing this makes me feel a little better about not being the smartest in my CompSci classes
"Some people can do it, I am not one of those people"... count me in 😭😭😭
Except JavaScript compilers exist.
MrTeknotronic of course it is.
Yeah, JavaScript is a compiled language, it's compiled at runtime. It's a common misconception that it's an interpreted language.
with webassembly it can be compiled properly on the server beforehand
Isn't it some sort of hybrid?
Interpreted and compiled.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Compilation is a poorly defined concept to begin with. I've heard people argue it's interpreted and not compiled, it's compiled and not interpreted and now I've heard it is both.
This kind of video is really interesting to watched
They sound like my friends who always complain the questions but still got an A in the exam. 😅
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At my school, there are seperate programs for computer science and computer engineering. Computer science deals more with high level language programming and much more software theory while computer engineering has more of an emphasis on low-level/computer architecture. I hear things about logic gates, D flop flops, and program counters which I learned from my digital systems classes (comp eng) while my friend can run circles around me about frameworks and code. But cmon. SQL can be learned in a day if you really tried.
Computer science is the study of if and how something can be computed. Computer engineering is the study of how to build machines that compute solutions for problems. There is a bit of intersection, but not really one that interest most students.
But I have stackoverflow... sometimes all you need to know is how to use it and what you can use it for.
Same here, I went with the computer engineering side of things and now I work almost exclusively with C++.... just goes to show college is about learning how to learn and rarely results in work that is orientated with your college workload.
At my uni we also have "software development", which is the more practical end. We learn a bit of both of their expertise (advanced computer logic and advanced physics), but nearly not as deep as them. Our curriculum revolves around practical thinking, and a gifted genius can usually stroll through the tests with minimal learning, because the exams are practice oriented. They always give the bare minimum material to "cheat from", because they know, being able to memorize them all won't make a difference, being able to correctly and efficiently use them will. People fail left and right, not because they didn't know enough, but because they chose to 'learn' instead of 'practise'.
Most comp.sci. and comp.eng. students here cannot wirte a basic software without the source code looking like a mess, meanwhile even some of our better BSC students are being offered contracts at respected software companies already. As a tradeoff we probably won't ever work in hardware development or advanced computer science research, because that's not what we are about.
u definitely cannot learn sql in a day. It becomes very rigourous with the creation and all
I have to do this exam. It's nice to see you guys try.
Man I need to eat for this exam -- said every student most days of their lives lol
I feel so much smarter for knowing what ordinal numbers are.
Why are they doing flip flops? isn't that an Electrical Engineering concept?
Computers are based on logic circuits. Understanding those is essential for understanding processor architectures ect.
It's computer engineering, but an electrical engineer would design it
Raizzor18 it's like saying that doctors have to know a lot about cooking because food is related to our health
It is not "related to" it is the basis. A better comparison would be that doctors need to know a lot about chemistry, which they do.
Nah, man. It's almost like quantum mechanics for doctors. Doctors don't need to understand quantum interactions and to know how to solve Shrödinger's equation because it's too low level from what they do. It's a good if you understand underlying ideas and mechanisms of complex systems, but usually you don't need to or you should understand very limited set of it. For example, if you are a Java or C++ programmer, it's good to understand how to write cache-efficient code, i.e. that memory usage should be temporally and spatially localized, but you don't need to understand every aspect of computer architecture because problems you solve have nothing to do with computer architecture. I used to think like you some time ago, but that's naïve. It's good to know basics, but it's usually not necessary
Didnt know dywane wade was a computer scientist
funny, this came up in my recommended just after came back from my A Level equivalent Computer Sci exam.
i forget everything after the exam's done. that's what google's for
"Write SQL...off the top of my head?" Literally what I was thinking during an interview last week. Bruh, comp sci people google shit just like everyone else.
Cardinals are about cardinality (like of a set) - the number of elements.
Ordinals are about the order (like ordered indices of elements in a countable set)
People have there specializations upon graduation and they will forget what they don't need anymore. However, at a earlier stage, we need to touch the "surface area" of many fields to find out what we are interested and good at. Well, high school education is doing that job.
This just goes to show how the term 'Computer Science' has become corrupted to mean very different things now.
For example, Programming is not Computer Science and neither is Software Engineering. What was it Djikstra said - “Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes”.
When I learned my CS, it was defined as the ‘Theoretical Study of Computation’, and, as such, it was really a branch of mathematics. We used to have saying about the computers we had (the few that we had), ‘The computers are for email and writing-up, please use the blackboards for the computer science.’
If we switch disciplines to something like the construction industry, we should perhaps think of the Computer Scientist in terms of the ‘Materials Scientist’. Materials Scientists go as deep as studying substances’ atomic structures, and essentially spend their time devising new, better, materials. Those new materials are, in turn, used by Civil Engineers (the Software Engineers), to design structures that are fit for purpose. They don’t need to know the atomic structure etc of the materials they employ, just some of the essential properties (c.f., the running time of an algorithm vs designing algorithms in the first place). Lastly, we need people to build what the Civil Engineers design - these are the skilled builders/programmers. There’s a pyramid structure to all of this - fewer theoreticians, more builders.
What we should be teaching in schools is not ‘computer science’, but more mathematics. Indeed, that’s something that my old institution recommends if you want to come and study Computer Science there - maths, further maths, decision maths, statistics - all the maths you can swallow, and not this crap - I don’t know what to call it - ‘computer science’ A-level thing.
I found that in A levels especially in exams you have to do what you been told, and fight against logic to pass them. If you try to apply what you learned in a practical view while you studying you will suffer a lot.
I'm going to start computing a level in September, this was so interesting to watch!
it is really fun!
@@starwarsjoey228 You find writing 6 markers comparing floppy disks to USB sticks fun?
@@alexandrucoca9770 we didn't have a teacher for 2 years, so ask we did was code games on computer, now we realised there are 2 papers, and one paper barely has any coding, and we have to learn half the content in one month for the exams😭😭 please send help
This is more of a criticism of the exam than of the students/graduates.
Shout out to the entrance chime sounding exactly like a Ring notification and riling my dogs up 😂
Seriously, seeing such things on CZcams really does lower one's confidence level, now doesn't it?
I'm going to be taking CIE A-Level Computer Science 9608 and, to make matters worse, I'm going to self study it.
Any advice would be highly appreciated so feel free to share some...
I'm self studying too especially the programming papers..
God i know I'm gonna fail
neha sk stay strong man, I'm the same boat as you. You doing one next week?
Bernard Spinround Yes on friday. Paper 4.
neha sk yeah same here - I'm self studying too. I'm not sure if you've already used it, but here's a link to all available past papers:
pastpapers.papacambridge.com/?dir=Cambridge%20International%20Examinations%20%28CIE%29%2FAS%20and%20A%20Level%2FComputer%20Science%20-%209608
Are you writing in Python or VB.net?
Bernard Spinround Thank you i am currently working out past papers indeed. I use VB (:
“Man I need to eat for this exam” 😂
Lol that reminds me - my boss is the SVP of the division of our company. I was given an assignment and asked if it would be better to present the data as a histogram. He didn't know what a histogram was lmao, nor a frequency distribution chart.
i'm sat on an A for my coursework, got my exams in a few weeks. Im fairly confident in my computing skills already but the syllabus is filled with specifics that if you miss may fail you so i guess its best to go through with that... For me chemistry is gonna be the real pain in the ass to revise.
My success on homework assignments depends on Stack Overflow. Exams are based on how small I can write in my note sheet.
Well this just makes me so much more excited for my computer science exams next year :'(
"Draw a logic circuit"
What a nightmare lol!!! I was never so happy to finish a class as I was my digital circuits class. I enjoy coding, not designing logic circuits!
A Level Computing and Mathematics unironically taught me 80% of my degree
I remember most of them well. No wonder I'm unemployed : (((
Are you still unemployed?
@manraj singh Same, I am giving my A Level Computer in 1 month lmao
It’s like asking a calculus iii student to draw the unit circle
I'm stressing out because of my Computer Science exam...
have you tried watching more youtube?
Me too...
bump, i gotta do gcse computer science.
the OCR A-level computer science programming paper is ridiculously difficult, paper one is so easy. Strangest A-level subject ever.
"I'm stressing out because of my Computer Science exam..."
Wait until you have a job.
goes to show that every exam ever is memorization not so much applying what you have learned.
"Write SQL? On top of my head?!" that's my guy , to me 100% accurate
I’m sorry to say this but I am glad that even top students don’t know everything in CS. I’m myself a student in 3rd year and honestly is very difficult, the learning never stops but it’s also a very competitive field
I'm not sure if this applies to every subject, but I feel like Cambridge is the most difficult A level exam board. For instance, the A level Math Edexcel course is basically the same coverage as the AS level Cambridge Math course. Let's not mention the increased question difficulty in Cambridge as well.
I do edexcel and sometimes use cambridge papers as practice and tbh I think thats a stretch
Tbh it is harder but still doable
I find it easy. This makes me feel so better!
I never did preparation for any test or exams. I only did it once on my final exam, but i got the task i i didn't prepare on. . . .feels good man!
I'm not surprised, even if it's an ad. Finished in the top 10% of my graduating year (not computer science) and went straight to a master's degree. I took on the national exam of my "expertise" area a few years later and I couldn't answer half the questions because of how dumb they were.
I think the prime example, and one that everyone can understand if you're studying engineering is... those 3 years studying maths in high school go to shit when you learn on how to do stuff that took 3 pages to solve with a 3 step equation or when you were thaught on how to use those 3 years of maths in 1 calculus class in 4 months because of how simplified those maths could get.
I've never ran into major problems at work and holy crap, that exam made me sweat more than any of the projects I've been involved ever did in terms of not knowing stuff.
man this is crazy because i am planning to take Computer Science.
My friend interned at Amazon as a software engineer. He told me majority of what was taught at school wasn't even used, especially the theory shit.
Heuh ordinal numbers are very entry level concepts, they're typically part of any course introducing statistics ...
You know it'd be REALLY SWELL if there wasn't some bizarro elevator music playing at the same level as the mutterings of these three blokes. You know, so I could understand the important stuff they say.
I asked my professor that is close to retire and has worked on pretty much everything including computer vision to help me with my UDP maintaining a constant connection, and he wasn't sure how to do it exactly. CS is huge, you can't know everything.
Isn't UDP connection-less? Did you mean TCP?
Plus, those exams are not intended for someone to score well on... when I took the CompSci GRE I think I got a 50% on the questions but that was 99th percentile.. as long as you're being compared to peers a test can be made overhard... it's better to do that if you want accurate results
Do one for physicists!
Did they get to prepare beforehand?
I’m a 2nd year CS major so I probably don’t have the credence to say this but most of my programming knowledge wasn’t from my courses, but just googling what I didn’t know.
on my uni website for the CS degree page, there was a quote from one of the alumni saying something like "a CS degree is basically a problem-solving degree, good coding skills come when you get a job" and tbh that made me feel a lot better about my future lol
super fun video too and I think it really goes to show just how irrelevant exams will be later on in life *sigh*
Write SQL from the top of your head at A-level? Just had a uni exam on databases and the SQL questions were multiple choice.
I'm a Data Scientist but I could answer most of the question as they are generally related to Math.
One who thinks he/she can master Computer Science without studying Math, they are hell wrong.
You gotta study Math and use logical concepts to solve such questions. Practically, Math is the only thing which you won't forget ever.
holy shit so this whole clip is just an ad
"Write SQL off the top of your head? Some people can do it; I'm not one of them." LOL
Got my first a level computer science exam tomorrow....
Just googled how to pass computer science exam...
Same good luck.
The questions there looked a lot like my GCSE
so how did they do?
thing is the exams get harder every year so if they tried the latest exam they could possibly find it harder
Why are there datapath questions? PC + 4 fetch codes....odd exam. Computer engineering questions and you're asking cs majors?
I'm sorry but if computer scientist think that your test questions are bad then there is a problem
I took this test for my CompSci A-Level and got a C was definitely a harder paper than previous years
how about have the questions read out or displayed on the bottom?
Why is the volume on this video so goddamn low?
0:40 someone was humming Lego Racers
Not gonna lie I was really confused why a uni graduate student didnt understand a question but also when I found out it was 2016 paper I was ....
So black, brown and yellow computer scientist walks into a bar.....
my uncle made fun of me when i said i wanted to study math. i told him that i can use math for a lot of things but he said that even he knows a great deal of it but doesnt even use more than half of it. he says he only deals with basic math, he is an engineer who owns a small steel detailing company
This has to be GCSE because I get the exact same questions in electronics
Computer engineering in italy courses udergraduate degrees:
3 courses about math analysis.
1/2 courses about algebra and logic.
1 course about computer architectures.
2/3 courses about electronics.
2/3 courses about telecomunication.
2/3 courses about automation.
5/6 courses about functional/object oriented/data base/ algoritms /et simila arguments.
1/2 extra courses.
How is structured in your country computer engineering undergraduate degrees?
omg i wanted to know how they did
Currently studying for my 1st year compsci exam at uni and the way they make you learn and apply knowledge for an exam is so so different to learning how to be a competent programmer- compsci exams are ridiculous
Yup!
Honestly it’s a load of you know what. What they should do is just train you for your job instead of giving you tests which prove your memory not if you can actually do the job.
I wonder what were their scores
I've just finished my 2nd year of my CS degree and I can confirm that a lot of the material that is taught during Computing class at high school is dumb.
You should understand, that not everyone will be a simple coder after university. I have also forgotten some of the stuff, but I still use the concepts of my field, which is AI, someone who isn't doing AI will thing those things are useless. Anyway it's good to at least have some understanding of the concepts.
Anyway it would have been better, to see the questions, or at leas get a summary, I got only a very general idea what they were.
Now 10 years in professional life, I would struggle to resit these A-Levels. Even my degree of which I have forgotten 90% of its content.
So... you have a PDF for this test anywhere?
I've never heard a computer scientist use the term ordinal numbers. We just say indexes right?
I learned what ordinal numbers were in primary school math. i've never even heard that term in university. what does it even have to do with computer science?
Very little really. Like most of the questions they asked.
can you do Doctors vs MCAT?
Me at the start of this video: Oh what an interesting video
Me at the end: So...it was just an ad?
how search on google "what is the ordinal number ?"
Why is Javascript not compiled? Because it's an interpreter language for the browsers. Can someone verify this?
Video is Okay... You should show the questions that they're doing so the viewer can follow along. I couldn't tell how difficult the question was because they were just kind of mumbling it to themselves