3 hours of o'brien stood in the transporter room trying to find things to do to pass the time.. Using the transporter to play jenga. Transporting his head into the ladies gym. Transporting a paper plane onto the bridge
@@Chris-rp9df He was in war when he learned how to operate a transporter. He held a deep grudge against his enemies and he also was a brave fighter. So don't just see him as a simple operator that solved a lot of technical problems.
As I recall, the concept of using the holodeck to 'resurrect' various TOS characters in order to get advice was one they talked about doing in the development prior to the 1st season. It ended up never happening because the idea of Picard running down to the Holodeck to ask the cyber-ghost of Kirk how to solve their problem would have made it hard to take him - and the other characters - seriously. I think that's a pretty wise choice, honestly, and it feels like the movie you talked about here would have had the same problem.
It's the concept used to narrate the final episode of Enterprise. A milestone episode which wrapped up the series and established much significant lore. But also a divisive and generally hated episode because it was all about fat old Riker brooding on his holodeck, the central cast were essentially background filler in their own show.
@@pwnmeisterage I haven't seen it - I've actually never seen Enterprise - but man, every trek-related conversation for months afterwards seemed to slide into annoyance or occasional outrage. Culminating in one of my absolutely humorlessly obsessive Trekie friends getting all trepidacious as though he was coming out of the closet, and saying, "You know what? I've been avoiding saying this for a long time out of loyalty, but I honestly like Stargate SG1 better than Enterprise."
A random holodeck episode with the TOS characters would have been fun though.. certainly better than dressing them up like robin hood. Maybe Riker could have given Picard a TOS holonovel for his birthday or something and they all go and play it.. It could have been a fun filler episode
@@mahatmarandy5977 Enterprise was a good show, overall. It started slow, some of the main characters were dull, the CGI of the era looks badly dated now, and the intro theme music was ... objectionable. But it grew on me. The showrunners did a decent job of maintaining and building canon, even though the series was a prequel to TOS. Some of the multi-episode arcs were quite interesting. And the final season (which aired _after_ the network gave the show the axe) had some excellent episodes. I think it's worth watching if you like Trek. It ain't SG-1, lol, and you probably won't like every episode but you will probably find it entertaining. For all its flaws, it's still better than what CBS has been offering over the last decade.
@@pwnmeisterage I'm not much of a Trekie, I'm afraid. Love TOS as a kid, never fully warmed to TNG, disliked DS9, and actively hated Voyager, so I never made it to the ends of those series. Didn't watch any Trek at all until about 8 years ago when I was *literally* trapped on a balcony overnight with nothing but an ipad and a wifi connection, so I watched the reboot movies and didn't hate 'em. Had I not been locked outside the 3rd floor of a building all night, I never would've watched. Had no interest, but as I said, I kinda liked 'em. No interest in Discovery, and a slight interest in Picard until I heard more about it, so I didn't bother. I'm told Strange New Worlds is good, but at this point it's been about 26 years since Star Trek was selling anything that I was interested in buying, so I'll probably never watch it. No criticism of anyone that likes it, of course, I just think maybe that club doesn't want people like me in it. :)
Gene's idea for the Klingons going back in time to save JFK, and Spock being the gun man on the grassy knoll just sounds so stupid. I first read about that in William Shatner's Star Trek movie memories.
Yeah. That book was a source for me too. Some weird stuff in there. Weird concepts for the movies, Shatner moving into a tiny trailer after his divorce, etc.
Gene was seldom a very uniquely imaginative writer. Typically plucking stuff from other writers and mashing together. Spock having to kill the virtuous historic figure is from the first two drafts of City on the Edge of Forever. Putting a mysterious figure at the grassy knoll had been done 100 times in novels and shows. The future unraveling and thermonuclear destruction because a time traveler saved JFK was a short story in the 70s, eventually done in the 80s Twilight Zone. In that it was JFKs descendent, a time historian from the 23rd or 24th century. The God Thing was pretty much his most unique story, and he got to kill off Sulu. GR didn't like Takei from the get go. NBC wanted him kept in the cast and on the bridge.
I liked the Red Dwarf version of the JFK assignation, where the killer on the grassy knoll was a time traveller version of JFK killing an earlier version of himself to correct the timeline.
The Holographic Kirk idea had one major issue. The Holodeck version of Kirk would only be able to create Kirk from public and Starfleet records meaning the answer Picard wants would had already been in the Enterprise computer to just look up.
Many might not remember or be aware of what IMAX was in the 90's. The length of the film was limited because the platters could only hold about an hour or so worth of film. There wasn't many IMAX theatres and they were restricted to showing films made specifically for IMAX, usually they were documentaries. There was a lot of hype surrounding the Star Trek IMAX film and they even had official IMAX pamphlets saying a star trek project was coming soon. These IMAX specific films were really special visually, and it's tech that isn't equaled to this day. When Nolan released Dunkirk on IMAX 75mm film, I was lucky enough that one theatre in Calgary still had the old film projector. While there are still a few IMAX film projectors still showing stuff in film, those prints are upwards of 20 years old and look horrible. 75mm IMAX film is noticeably more vibrant and with a ton more detail. And not in one of those subtle ways, like the way audiophiles claim you can hear the difference between cables, but in a way that anyone can notice. It would have been great to see star trek in that format.
I don't know any specific details, but I know at one point following the end of Voyager, Paramount was talking about doing a trilogy of movies about the Romulan War. It would have featured entirely new characters as the core cast, though the synopsis I read did mention that Archer and the Enterprise would make a sort of extended cameo in the first or second movie. Anyway, I thought that was a really interesting concept: to make a movie series that wasn't 100% dependent upon the TV shows, with their own characters and backstories and dynamics and things. Shame it iddn't happen.
You should check out Star Trek: Horizon here on CZcams. That is basically what you want, although the story while set during the Romulan war, isn’t really about the war itself.
@@davetycho8330 Huh. I'm more tolerant of fan films than 'real' Trek these days, so I'll probably do that. I thought Fan Films were forbidden now, though.
All I ever wanted was a Deeps Space 9 movie. That series ended in a way that would have made a very good jumping off point for a movie, perhaps to tie up loose ends, perhaps to invite new questions. 4 TNG movies was too many, honestly.
I also dreamed of a DS9 movie back in the day. I vaguely remember it being mentioned back then that it would have been a financial risk because DS9 simply did not have the popularity of TOS or TNG. DS9 was my favorite ST series but if I doubt that the average non-trekkie would even know who the captain of DS9 was while everyone knows Kirk and Picard.
"For the last time Gene, no. We are not going to make a Star Trek movie where the second most popular character from the show murders one of the most beloved presidents in US history."
@@rickhernandez3803 In terms of writing It's a good stepping stone that can branch off into a lot of philosophical and scientific topics, but for some reason it usually involves Hitler.
some of the best trek, is trek Gene didnt approve of... ds9 for example... he also hated the most memed TOS movie as it went against his ethos... we can love his creation without agreeing with all his views...
I loved Nemesis. It was a great film. With the exception of Roddenberry's anti-God first film, which I believe would have failed during that time and alienated him from future projects, I would have LOVED to have seen any or all of these in some form. I am a devoted Trekkie since 1969.
@@ctg6734 What? Nemesis didn't feel like Star Trek at all. It felt like a TV sci-fi movie of the week. I also hate how the movie says that if Picard had been born into slavery he would turn into Dr Evil.
I never recall hearing the one about JFK but I wonder if Roddenberry gave the idea to the team of Grant Naylor for Red Dwarf in their episode where where they go back in time and accidentally prevent by bungling the assassination of jfk. Then JFK is revealed to be a philanderer and the the country flees all the cities in like there's nobody in those cities anymore. So they have to take JFK back in time to kill himself he then disappears because his timeline no longer exists and so the shot came from somewhere but there was nobody there
What I was told back in the day, true or not, I can't say, but it's what I was told. Is that imax had a mandate to only be used for educational films. The film and the process were quite costly, which is why the films were shorter than a feature. Also, to allow more audiences into the theatre to help recover the costs. These days, unlike the late 70s and early 80s, more people are willing to pay more for the experience. Which made feature films in the imax format to become more feasible.
Glad to hear it. It's just the auto-translated script by Google, which I added for most major European language groups. Happy to hear it was good enough for you to enjoy!
:37 🤔 I seem to vaguely recall a VERY old character biography article, written not long after the release of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, about Dr. McCoy actually settling down with Natira from the multi-generation asteroid colony ship Yonada, after it finally arrived at the new planet that the Fabrini passengers were meant to colonize. This would be after the completion of the Enterprise's 5 year 《extended to 7 years》mission. STTOS: S3/E8 "For the world is hollow and I have touched the sky." ~~Live Long & Prosper 🖖🏻👽🛸🪐 🌌🔭
@@CaptRobau Starfleet reactivated McCoy for the V'Ger mission & he ended up remaining in Starfleet afterwards. I recall wondering what happened to his life with Natira, it was never explained 💔 "In other words, Captain, Sir, they drafted me!" 《no wonder he was so pissed off!》 At about this same time, I also came across an article explaining the differences between the STTOS Klingons & the STTMP Klingons. STTOS Klingons were Kahless Klingons & those from STTMP were Imperial Race Klingons. 2 separate races, but still related to each other 🫂 It also explained that the Klingons experimented with genetic engineering to create "Fusion Race Klingons." Klingons whose DNA was spliced with those of other races 《Human 🧬 Andorian 🧬 Tellerite 🧬Orion 🧬 Vulcan, etc.》. This was intended to make interactions with other species easier to accomplish. I realize none of this is cannon & I'm not sure those articles would even still exist after so many years 📚📖🔍👀❓️🤷🏻♂️ 🌌🔭
I am surprised they asked Hurley to do a script since he has been away from TNG for a number of years at that point and wasn't there during the boom years, kind of makes you wonder what they thought he could bring to it. The IMAX movie is one I was really interested in and I remember reading an interview with Berman where he talked about it and it sounded like they were well into development, just needed Paramount to say okay which obviously never happened. I am guessing Paramount didn't see 45 minutes feature film in IMAX as being a money maker - could have been a good 10-15 years ahead of everyone else. With those last 2 it is kind of funny as I remember finding a fanmade picture online back around 1995 for Star Trek Destiny where it was a crossover of like Data, Dax, Sulu, Scotty so the idea of a crossover movie was always floating around (I mean the comics did it a few times too) but I wonder how many of the rumors were because people saw that image online and thought it was legit. Also wonder how serious they were about it because if you do one and it flops bigtime, then you basically kill your entire franchise. Generations is kind of the example, it wasn't a total flop but far from what people wanted or expected, imagine one of those 2 films being made and fans going meh.
Nemesis bombed BECAUSE they blew up Data while also introducing an obvious plot device meant to restore Data but never did anything interesting with him. B4 ended up being a totally useless new character who never did anything. Picard even gave them another opportunity to fix this but still never did anything with the character. They actually should have gone through with the sequel except instead of going back in time get Data before he was blown up, just do what was obviously intended from the beginning and use B4 to implant the back up of Data's memory into.
I never knew ST: Nemesis was a failure. Personally I thought it was right up there with the Wrath of Kahn. Because it became a real battle of wits with an opponent who was just as crafty as the crew of the Enterprise-E.
I guess I am one of the few that really liked Nemesis. I really liked the last idea, but the first one sounds like Roddenberry had an ax to grind rather than tell a good story, so I am glad Paramount stopped it.
Yeah. He was becoming a bitter old man and pretty twisted, but got better before he died...after he got sick and a bit of humility. One thing is he got to kill off Sulu. He and Takei didn't like each other....i have a feeling that morphed after 1992 into dissing Shatner as Kirk was Gene's fantasy self.
@@richardthomas5362 in the pitch outline of 'The God Thing' in 1978. That was not made, TMP was made via a large rewrite including several things in The God Thing....but instead the three characters Paramount wanted to get rid of were either killed or ascended.....the Vulcan (unneeded cause Nimoy signed a contract)....the Sex Empath and Captain Decker (unneeded because Shatner signed a ckntract)
@@richardthomas5362 in 1977, 78 Star Trek Phase II that was going the movie route in 78.... was going to basically be "Enterprise RFD" Star Trek without the two traditional main characters, but all the familiar supporting characters
I think the idea of the JFK assassination as being a watershed moment for progressivism in the United States (and by extension, Earth) is an interesting idea but I am not at all surprised it was passed on. Can you imagine a film, just over a decade after his death, about a group of *villains* who go back in time and *prevent* JFK's assassination? and then our "heroes" have to literally murder the president that the nation still remembers? That would be like Archer and the Enterprise crew going back in time and carrying out 9/11.
I always suspected that after Star Trek Nemesis Data's memories could be restored into B4, B4 did have Data's memories stored in him but was not able to access them due to being an earlier Soong android model than Data. That would have been the main reason that I would have wanted to see another Star Trek TNG movie, not to mention that I loved TNG. It would have also been cool to see something that happened involving The Voyager crew (after they made it back to Earth) and/or cast members from Deep Space 9 (other than Worf being awkwardly inserted into the TNG movies without even trying to explain it in the later TNG movies).
That last one where Picard goes back to various times and has to convince other people to help him sounds like it would have been an excellent adventure.
Glad they were cancelled. Shocked to find out Gene Roddenberry was atheist. Due to a line in "The Paradise Syndrome" (ST:TOS) about "the flying lodge in the sky," seemingly a reference to the "Great Lodge Above," I thought he was a Mason. (I'm a born again Christian, but I know a lot about other beliefs.)
I still don't understand what was so bad about Nemesis. The journey, for me, was as much fun and as much Star Trek as the others. But then I don't watch with a critical continuity eye. Star Trek was/is about the adventure - not the details...
Many of the pitch ideas for filmed Star Trek in 57 years ARE AWFUL. Sometimes, however, the script writer or actors and directors make it work. If they pitched: The Cage Who Mourns For Adonis City Arena And the Children Shall Lead Mission to Farpoint ST4 save the Whales The TNG planet of the Nigerian kidnappers Planet of the 80s Aerobic Instructor Amazons First Contact Half of Voyager.... and you hadn't seen them all fleshed out they may all be Spocks Brain.
That idea for the 5th next gen movie was terrible. The over arching villains in season 2 that would take over starfleet admiral's bodies would have been a fantastic movie villain. At the end of season 2 there is a signal sent to the far reaches of the galaxy saying to the audience more are coming. I always hoped we would see those creatures again but we never did.
@@SuperSnakePlissken The Borg were great at first. I loved The Best of Both Worlds 1 & 2. I agree those creepy little aliens would have been cool to explore.
I didn't find ST-V to be atheistic. Ultimately I felt it made no concrete statements either way, apart from that the entity at the center of the galaxy was a false god. I suppose you could say that the false god influenced various alien species to have beliefs in a god, but I never really felt like that was what the movie was going for. Or if it was, it was poorly written enough that I didn't catch it. (And the movie certainly was poorly written). Granted, Kirk says that God is in the human heart, but, eh, that's a greeting card sentiment at worst, not straight-up atheism.
ST5 had that god as a false god, since he was imprisoned on that planet on the mythic center of the galaxy (aka Hell) That god was the serpent, deceiver with a psychologist-psychic-philosopher apostle looking for him. Remember the serpent is thrown to earth "ground" and the child of Eve shall crush his skull. Pretty much an ugly gritty version of Who Mourns Adonis crossed with Gen 3 and Revelation
@@mahatmarandy5977 IOW they only greenlit ST5 when The God Thing was not the orthodox One God....but one of the false aeons. A popular theme in Sci Fi writing 1900 to 1980.
@@STho205 Oooh! Aeons! Nice Gnostic reference. But, yeah, no movie studio in 1988 wanted to piss off Christians, particularly after the drubbing "The Last Temptation of Christ" took, even though that wasn't even an anti-Christian film. So, yeah, not willing to take any risks. Which was the wise call anyway.
Eh, it sounds like for the most part that it's a good thing most of these didn't get made. Though admittedly, the IMAX short film could have been fun, and the alternative to _Generations_ couldn't have been any worse than _Generations_ itself.
Your discussion of "God" themes is bizarre to begin with. No one else who goes through various movie concepts discussed by other sources includes many of these plot points.
The God Thing would have at least made sense. TMP was the same psychedelic nonsense bad 2001 style, but they just substituted NOMAD... I mean Voyager...to settle Gene's hurt ego for the rewrite by HB and not piss off half the audience.
Well I can see now how it was split into two movies, TMP and The final frontier expect they don't really mention "god" until the final act of the movie, and he's just some guy on the run.
I would love to see Miles as the main character!
He's the most important person in Star Trek history.
3 hours of o'brien stood in the transporter room trying to find things to do to pass the time..
Using the transporter to play jenga.
Transporting his head into the ladies gym.
Transporting a paper plane onto the bridge
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He was in war when he learned how to operate a transporter. He held a deep grudge against his enemies and he also was a brave fighter.
So don't just see him as a simple operator that solved a lot of technical problems.
Maybe if Seth MacFarlane wrote and directed it. I know the Orville isn't actual Star Trek but it is the best Star Trek made currently.
@@pitodesign Poor Miles, the most important character and all he got was a nagging wife
As I recall, the concept of using the holodeck to 'resurrect' various TOS characters in order to get advice was one they talked about doing in the development prior to the 1st season. It ended up never happening because the idea of Picard running down to the Holodeck to ask the cyber-ghost of Kirk how to solve their problem would have made it hard to take him - and the other characters - seriously. I think that's a pretty wise choice, honestly, and it feels like the movie you talked about here would have had the same problem.
It's the concept used to narrate the final episode of Enterprise.
A milestone episode which wrapped up the series and established much significant lore.
But also a divisive and generally hated episode because it was all about fat old Riker brooding on his holodeck, the central cast were essentially background filler in their own show.
@@pwnmeisterage I haven't seen it - I've actually never seen Enterprise - but man, every trek-related conversation for months afterwards seemed to slide into annoyance or occasional outrage.
Culminating in one of my absolutely humorlessly obsessive Trekie friends getting all trepidacious as though he was coming out of the closet, and saying, "You know what? I've been avoiding saying this for a long time out of loyalty, but I honestly like Stargate SG1 better than Enterprise."
A random holodeck episode with the TOS characters would have been fun though.. certainly better than dressing them up like robin hood.
Maybe Riker could have given Picard a TOS holonovel for his birthday or something and they all go and play it..
It could have been a fun filler episode
@@mahatmarandy5977 Enterprise was a good show, overall. It started slow, some of the main characters were dull, the CGI of the era looks badly dated now, and the intro theme music was ... objectionable.
But it grew on me. The showrunners did a decent job of maintaining and building canon, even though the series was a prequel to TOS. Some of the multi-episode arcs were quite interesting. And the final season (which aired _after_ the network gave the show the axe) had some excellent episodes.
I think it's worth watching if you like Trek. It ain't SG-1, lol, and you probably won't like every episode but you will probably find it entertaining. For all its flaws, it's still better than what CBS has been offering over the last decade.
@@pwnmeisterage I'm not much of a Trekie, I'm afraid. Love TOS as a kid, never fully warmed to TNG, disliked DS9, and actively hated Voyager, so I never made it to the ends of those series.
Didn't watch any Trek at all until about 8 years ago when I was *literally* trapped on a balcony overnight with nothing but an ipad and a wifi connection, so I watched the reboot movies and didn't hate 'em. Had I not been locked outside the 3rd floor of a building all night, I never would've watched. Had no interest, but as I said, I kinda liked 'em.
No interest in Discovery, and a slight interest in Picard until I heard more about it, so I didn't bother. I'm told Strange New Worlds is good, but at this point it's been about 26 years since Star Trek was selling anything that I was interested in buying, so I'll probably never watch it.
No criticism of anyone that likes it, of course, I just think maybe that club doesn't want people like me in it. :)
A film with Garak and Bashir set in the ruins of post dominnion cardassia would have been fun..
With an A team like plot..
Gene's idea for the Klingons going back in time to save JFK, and Spock being the gun man on the grassy knoll just sounds so stupid. I first read about that in William Shatner's Star Trek movie memories.
Yeah. That book was a source for me too. Some weird stuff in there. Weird concepts for the movies, Shatner moving into a tiny trailer after his divorce, etc.
It’s funny because other IPs that are more absurdist made it work. Look at The Umbrella Academy.
Gene was seldom a very uniquely imaginative writer. Typically plucking stuff from other writers and mashing together.
Spock having to kill the virtuous historic figure is from the first two drafts of City on the Edge of Forever. Putting a mysterious figure at the grassy knoll had been done 100 times in novels and shows. The future unraveling and thermonuclear destruction because a time traveler saved JFK was a short story in the 70s, eventually done in the 80s Twilight Zone. In that it was JFKs descendent, a time historian from the 23rd or 24th century.
The God Thing was pretty much his most unique story, and he got to kill off Sulu. GR didn't like Takei from the get go. NBC wanted him kept in the cast and on the bridge.
I liked the Red Dwarf version of the JFK assignation, where the killer on the grassy knoll was a time traveller version of JFK killing an earlier version of himself to correct the timeline.
The time travel hero collecting gimick sounds like a contrived plot for a mobile game... oh wait, it is.
The Holographic Kirk idea had one major issue. The Holodeck version of Kirk would only be able to create Kirk from public and Starfleet records meaning the answer Picard wants would had already been in the Enterprise computer to just look up.
Many might not remember or be aware of what IMAX was in the 90's. The length of the film was limited because the platters could only hold about an hour or so worth of film. There wasn't many IMAX theatres and they were restricted to showing films made specifically for IMAX, usually they were documentaries. There was a lot of hype surrounding the Star Trek IMAX film and they even had official IMAX pamphlets saying a star trek project was coming soon.
These IMAX specific films were really special visually, and it's tech that isn't equaled to this day. When Nolan released Dunkirk on IMAX 75mm film, I was lucky enough that one theatre in Calgary still had the old film projector. While there are still a few IMAX film projectors still showing stuff in film, those prints are upwards of 20 years old and look horrible. 75mm IMAX film is noticeably more vibrant and with a ton more detail. And not in one of those subtle ways, like the way audiophiles claim you can hear the difference between cables, but in a way that anyone can notice.
It would have been great to see star trek in that format.
The more I hear about Rodenberry's stupid ideas, the more surprised I am at the project's longevity.
Yeah. God is entirely myth.
he got more full of himself and less connected to reality with time.
So that last one was basically "Jean-Luc and Jim's Excellent Adventure."
I don't know any specific details, but I know at one point following the end of Voyager, Paramount was talking about doing a trilogy of movies about the Romulan War. It would have featured entirely new characters as the core cast, though the synopsis I read did mention that Archer and the Enterprise would make a sort of extended cameo in the first or second movie.
Anyway, I thought that was a really interesting concept: to make a movie series that wasn't 100% dependent upon the TV shows, with their own characters and backstories and dynamics and things. Shame it iddn't happen.
I believe it was only 1 movie and it is something I want to cover in the future for UNDEVELOPED.
@@CaptRobau oooh! Well I definitely want to see that when it happens, even though I don't have much interest in Trek. SUBSCRIBED!
You should check out Star Trek: Horizon here on CZcams. That is basically what you want, although the story while set during the Romulan war, isn’t really about the war itself.
@@davetycho8330 Huh. I'm more tolerant of fan films than 'real' Trek these days, so I'll probably do that. I thought Fan Films were forbidden now, though.
@@mahatmarandy5977 it was released a few years ago before the “guidelines” came up.
All I ever wanted was a Deeps Space 9 movie. That series ended in a way that would have made a very good jumping off point for a movie, perhaps to tie up loose ends, perhaps to invite new questions. 4 TNG movies was too many, honestly.
I also dreamed of a DS9 movie back in the day. I vaguely remember it being mentioned back then that it would have been a financial risk because DS9 simply did not have the popularity of TOS or TNG. DS9 was my favorite ST series but if I doubt that the average non-trekkie would even know who the captain of DS9 was while everyone knows Kirk and Picard.
"For the last time Gene, no. We are not going to make a Star Trek movie where the second most popular character from the show murders one of the most beloved presidents in US history."
I still don't understand what obsession he had with time travel
@@rickhernandez3803 In terms of writing It's a good stepping stone that can branch off into a lot of philosophical and scientific topics, but for some reason it usually involves Hitler.
some of the best trek, is trek Gene didnt approve of... ds9 for example... he also hated the most memed TOS movie as it went against his ethos...
we can love his creation without agreeing with all his views...
I loved Nemesis. It was a great film. With the exception of Roddenberry's anti-God first film, which I believe would have failed during that time and alienated him from future projects, I would have LOVED to have seen any or all of these in some form. I am a devoted Trekkie since 1969.
Yeah, I don't think Nemesis deserves the hate it gets.
@@ctg6734 What? Nemesis didn't feel like Star Trek at all. It felt like a TV sci-fi movie of the week. I also hate how the movie says that if Picard had been born into slavery he would turn into Dr Evil.
@@pierreo33 It's not great trek, I'll give ya that, but I certainly didn't despise it.
LOL Spiner wrote Bill and Ted in SPAAACE!
I never recall hearing the one about JFK but I wonder if Roddenberry gave the idea to the team of Grant Naylor for Red Dwarf in their episode where where they go back in time and accidentally prevent by bungling the assassination of jfk. Then JFK is revealed to be a philanderer and the the country flees all the cities in like there's nobody in those cities anymore. So they have to take JFK back in time to kill himself he then disappears because his timeline no longer exists and so the shot came from somewhere but there was nobody there
In an episode of the classic Doctor Who, mention was made of a timeline in which Kennedy lived. The Doctor had to correct it.
I want the Miles O’Brien movie now!!!!
Both Gene's ideas were 🤢
All of these scripts should be pitched to fan production teams!
Damn, that last one would've been an awesome ending as an End Game plot story before JJ Abrams brought in his Kelvin Timeline Trilogy
What I was told back in the day, true or not, I can't say, but it's what I was told. Is that imax had a mandate to only be used for educational films. The film and the process were quite costly, which is why the films were shorter than a feature. Also, to allow more audiences into the theatre to help recover the costs. These days, unlike the late 70s and early 80s, more people are willing to pay more for the experience. Which made feature films in the imax format to become more feasible.
The IMAX film would have been really cool to see
I liked the subtitles in Portuguese! and I loved the content
Glad to hear it. It's just the auto-translated script by Google, which I added for most major European language groups. Happy to hear it was good enough for you to enjoy!
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🤔 I seem to vaguely recall a VERY old character biography article, written not long after the release of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, about Dr. McCoy actually settling down with Natira from the multi-generation asteroid colony ship Yonada, after it finally arrived at the new planet that the Fabrini passengers were meant to colonize. This would be after the completion of the Enterprise's 5 year 《extended to 7 years》mission.
STTOS: S3/E8 "For the world is hollow and I have touched the sky."
~~Live Long & Prosper 🖖🏻👽🛸🪐
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Interesting detail
@@CaptRobau Starfleet reactivated McCoy for the V'Ger mission & he ended up remaining in Starfleet afterwards. I recall wondering what happened to his life with Natira, it was never explained 💔
"In other words, Captain, Sir, they drafted me!"
《no wonder he was so pissed off!》
At about this same time, I also came across an article explaining the differences between the STTOS Klingons & the STTMP Klingons. STTOS Klingons were Kahless Klingons & those from STTMP were Imperial Race Klingons. 2 separate races, but still related to each other 🫂
It also explained that the Klingons experimented with genetic engineering to create "Fusion Race Klingons." Klingons whose DNA was spliced with those of other races 《Human 🧬 Andorian 🧬 Tellerite 🧬Orion 🧬 Vulcan, etc.》. This was intended to make interactions with other species easier to accomplish.
I realize none of this is cannon & I'm not sure those articles would even still exist after so many years 📚📖🔍👀❓️🤷🏻♂️
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I am surprised they asked Hurley to do a script since he has been away from TNG for a number of years at that point and wasn't there during the boom years, kind of makes you wonder what they thought he could bring to it. The IMAX movie is one I was really interested in and I remember reading an interview with Berman where he talked about it and it sounded like they were well into development, just needed Paramount to say okay which obviously never happened. I am guessing Paramount didn't see 45 minutes feature film in IMAX as being a money maker - could have been a good 10-15 years ahead of everyone else.
With those last 2 it is kind of funny as I remember finding a fanmade picture online back around 1995 for Star Trek Destiny where it was a crossover of like Data, Dax, Sulu, Scotty so the idea of a crossover movie was always floating around (I mean the comics did it a few times too) but I wonder how many of the rumors were because people saw that image online and thought it was legit. Also wonder how serious they were about it because if you do one and it flops bigtime, then you basically kill your entire franchise. Generations is kind of the example, it wasn't a total flop but far from what people wanted or expected, imagine one of those 2 films being made and fans going meh.
Even though I'm a TNG guy DS9 deserved some movie action. They missed a big opportunity with the dominion war.
Nemesis bombed BECAUSE they blew up Data while also introducing an obvious plot device meant to restore Data but never did anything interesting with him. B4 ended up being a totally useless new character who never did anything. Picard even gave them another opportunity to fix this but still never did anything with the character. They actually should have gone through with the sequel except instead of going back in time get Data before he was blown up, just do what was obviously intended from the beginning and use B4 to implant the back up of Data's memory into.
I liked Nemesis 🤷♂️
I never knew ST: Nemesis was a failure. Personally I thought it was right up there with the Wrath of Kahn. Because it became a real battle of wits with an opponent who was just as crafty as the crew of the Enterprise-E.
After ST Insurrection, I didn't think they would ever make another ST movie, that was 100 times worse than Nemesis
I guess I am one of the few that really liked Nemesis. I really liked the last idea, but the first one sounds like Roddenberry had an ax to grind rather than tell a good story, so I am glad Paramount stopped it.
Yeah. He was becoming a bitter old man and pretty twisted, but got better before he died...after he got sick and a bit of humility.
One thing is he got to kill off Sulu. He and Takei didn't like each other....i have a feeling that morphed after 1992 into dissing Shatner as Kirk was Gene's fantasy self.
@@STho205 When did Sulu get killed off?
@@richardthomas5362 in the pitch outline of 'The God Thing' in 1978. That was not made, TMP was made via a large rewrite including several things in The God Thing....but instead the three characters Paramount wanted to get rid of were either killed or ascended.....the Vulcan (unneeded cause Nimoy signed a contract)....the Sex Empath and Captain Decker (unneeded because Shatner signed a ckntract)
@@richardthomas5362 in 1977, 78 Star Trek Phase II that was going the movie route in 78....
was going to basically be "Enterprise RFD"
Star Trek without the two traditional main characters, but all the familiar supporting characters
They should have cancelled the Abrams movies.
I think the idea of the JFK assassination as being a watershed moment for progressivism in the United States (and by extension, Earth) is an interesting idea but I am not at all surprised it was passed on. Can you imagine a film, just over a decade after his death, about a group of *villains* who go back in time and *prevent* JFK's assassination? and then our "heroes" have to literally murder the president that the nation still remembers? That would be like Archer and the Enterprise crew going back in time and carrying out 9/11.
I always suspected that after Star Trek Nemesis Data's memories could be restored into B4, B4 did have Data's memories stored in him but was not able to access them due to being an earlier Soong android model than Data. That would have been the main reason that I would have wanted to see another Star Trek TNG movie, not to mention that I loved TNG. It would have also been cool to see something that happened involving The Voyager crew (after they made it back to Earth) and/or cast members from Deep Space 9 (other than Worf being awkwardly inserted into the TNG movies without even trying to explain it in the later TNG movies).
Spiner didn't want to play the character anymore as he was getting too old. Of course now they would just use CGI to make him look young.
We all love a good Trek Movie. And that's why we've been disappointed half the time. lol
That last one where Picard goes back to various times and has to convince other people to help him sounds like it would have been an excellent adventure.
Ziggy Piggy
I understood that reference!
Kirk: "Be... Excellent to each other. And... Party on... Dudes."
Picard and Data: "NO WAY!"
Glad they were cancelled. Shocked to find out Gene Roddenberry was atheist. Due to a line in "The Paradise Syndrome" (ST:TOS) about "the flying lodge in the sky," seemingly a reference to the "Great Lodge Above," I thought he was a Mason. (I'm a born again Christian, but I know a lot about other beliefs.)
I don't understand why people don't like Nemesis. I thought it was an overall good movie 🍿
I still don't understand what was so bad about Nemesis. The journey, for me, was as much fun and as much Star Trek as the others. But then I don't watch with a critical continuity eye. Star Trek was/is about the adventure - not the details...
I think people were just tired of those characters by that time.
in the late 1990s i read that they had plans for a ds9 movie
All those ideas were awful.
Star Trek, in particular, seems to lend itself to outlandish, over-the-top ideas, especially from its actors, trying to milk it for all it's worth.
Agreed. These were some really terrible ideas.
Many of the pitch ideas for filmed Star Trek in 57 years ARE AWFUL. Sometimes, however, the script writer or actors and directors make it work.
If they pitched:
The Cage
Who Mourns For Adonis
City
Arena
And the Children Shall Lead
Mission to Farpoint
ST4 save the Whales
The TNG planet of the Nigerian kidnappers
Planet of the 80s Aerobic Instructor Amazons
First Contact
Half of Voyager....
and you hadn't seen them all fleshed out they may all be Spocks Brain.
There are 12 cancelled movies. 6 of them are listed here and the other 6 are all the 4th Kelvin movie 😭
That 6th one would have been cool, but complicated.
No Cpt. Sulu movie? That is what should have went to. With all new cast
There should have been a whole tv series of captain sulu
I agree with the decision to cancel those movies.
That third movie kind of sounds like the plot of Discovery season 4.
I would still love to see a voyager movie. I think it still be done
I would have loved a movie featuring Q.
Auto-canceling any script with the names Berman and/or Braga on them is A-OK with me.
Such a big Star Trek movie with all the characters would have been very successful after 2010.
My favorite was the Star Trek movie where they saved Earth.
I thought Nemesis was good
Thought it was ok. But I could be biased as I was cheering for Shinzon to win. Liked the character & the Scimitar was just awesome.
That idea for the 5th next gen movie was terrible. The over arching villains in season 2 that would take over starfleet admiral's bodies would have been a fantastic movie villain. At the end of season 2 there is a signal sent to the far reaches of the galaxy saying to the audience more are coming. I always hoped we would see those creatures again but we never did.
We got the Borg instead...😑
@@johnkerkalis6310 Borg are awesome but I am aware of how that storyline changed into season 2. Still, would have been awesome.
@@SuperSnakePlissken The Borg were great at first. I loved The Best of Both Worlds 1 & 2. I agree those creepy little aliens would have been cool to explore.
Good stuff
the real reason is the those in charge saw what jj did to star wars. lol ;)
I would have accepted anything that would have corrected Kirk's death in generations.
I didn't find ST-V to be atheistic. Ultimately I felt it made no concrete statements either way, apart from that the entity at the center of the galaxy was a false god. I suppose you could say that the false god influenced various alien species to have beliefs in a god, but I never really felt like that was what the movie was going for. Or if it was, it was poorly written enough that I didn't catch it. (And the movie certainly was poorly written). Granted, Kirk says that God is in the human heart, but, eh, that's a greeting card sentiment at worst, not straight-up atheism.
ST5 had that god as a false god, since he was imprisoned on that planet on the mythic center of the galaxy (aka Hell)
That god was the serpent, deceiver with a psychologist-psychic-philosopher apostle looking for him.
Remember the serpent is thrown to earth "ground" and the child of Eve shall crush his skull.
Pretty much an ugly gritty version of Who Mourns Adonis crossed with Gen 3 and Revelation
@@STho205 Well, the movie is considerably goofier than you're painting it here, but I can certainly see what you're saying.
@@mahatmarandy5977 IOW they only greenlit ST5 when The God Thing was not the orthodox One God....but one of the false aeons. A popular theme in Sci Fi writing 1900 to 1980.
@@STho205 Oooh! Aeons! Nice Gnostic reference.
But, yeah, no movie studio in 1988 wanted to piss off Christians, particularly after the drubbing "The Last Temptation of Christ" took, even though that wasn't even an anti-Christian film. So, yeah, not willing to take any risks. Which was the wise call anyway.
Time travel is a creative dead end. Stop! There are no consequences to actions. Nobody dies because of time travel.
I wish they would have passed on Jar Jars Kelvin timeline films. Generations too. And the TNG films could have been better.
[groan] Go back to your precious Fandom Menace channels, Elitist. We're not here for your stupidity.
I like anything startrek , I just don't want to pay a streaming service to watch it.
Yeah, Star Trek 4, Star Trek 4, Star Trek 4, and Star Trek 4.
Hey guess what! Star Trek 4 is back on....again!
Eh, it sounds like for the most part that it's a good thing most of these didn't get made.
Though admittedly, the IMAX short film could have been fun, and the alternative to _Generations_ couldn't have been any worse than _Generations_ itself.
Love Brent Spiner but man that plot sounds horrible!
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Nemesis should never have seen the light of day.
wow... that nemisis sequel sounds just ..... well ....worse than nemisis.
The holodeck is lazy writing and I hated it in most episodes.
Your discussion of "God" themes is bizarre to begin with. No one else who goes through various movie concepts discussed by other sources includes many of these plot points.
Any of them
The god thing and the iMax movie could have been good, the rest I don't think so.
The God Thing would have at least made sense. TMP was the same psychedelic nonsense bad 2001 style, but they just substituted NOMAD... I mean Voyager...to settle Gene's hurt ego for the rewrite by HB and not piss off half the audience.
Well I can see now how it was split into two movies, TMP and The final frontier expect they don't really mention "god" until the final act of the movie, and he's just some guy on the run.
Just as well these six weren't made and Star Trek V shouldn't have been Too many trips to the well and it's dry.
Better that they were cancelled
Is this blog to somehow lighten the disappointment or deflect away JJ Abrams' embarrassment for having been made to look a complete fool, again?
holy fock. some of these are terrible ideas 😅
Star trek Woke ? no, thanks. unfortunatelly Star Trek is ovee
most of these ideas are better then the shit show discovery
Colm Meaney doesn't belong on a screen that big