Fighting Game Garbage: Boss Zangief (SFV)
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2022
- Been a while since I talked about one (or two?) of the non-playable characters in SFV and today we have one of the strangest out of the whole bunch, the boss version of Zangief also known as the Ultra Heavyweight Champion!
They're a pretty limited character with a lot of weird traits, but unlike the boss version of Ryu, those traits usually aren't all that great.
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Boss Zangief being unable to spend his meter was thrown in as a reference to the massive inflation of the Russian Ruble
In fact, it was called after Zangief himself
Look up "Zangief inflation"
@@nobodyinparticular9640 Word of advice: DO NOT LOOK THAT UP
@@bageltime8983 it is just fat gief
@@gianlucaporto2189 Oh good you got the not bad results
@@bageltime8983 wait now I wanna get the bad results
"You guys asked me to talk about about a lot of characters ... So of course I am talking about a character none of you suggested" That's why we love your content
Stay tuned for the 43 minute video on this purple lego brick I think is pretty
@@BigYellowSilly ayo the purple brick slaps
hell yeah bro, purple lego brick
@@BigYellowSilly purple lego bricks are cool, uncommon and the purple stud is the most valuable stud ever (woth 10000!!!)
Could be a great april fools
You should then talk about the LEGO Harry Potter night bus sets, they have A LOT of purple pieces since it's a big purple bus
"It's like you threw up on the carpet and called it a reference to what you last ate" Big Yellow is still the master of brutal one-liners
its even funnier cuz its such an absurd thing to do
I'm still reeling from "That's like biting into a sandwich and saying wtf there's bread in here"
@order-sol's last brain cell In Gen 3 yes. In Gen 4 Dragonite got to be a niche pick over Salamence but with good reason in having Extreme Speed. Gen 5 gave him Multi-Scale and they got different roles to fulfill since then.
I'll never get over the end of the nerfed strategies video with the stolen car analogy of Smeargle and Darkrai, it was just so brutal
"The glass to canon ratio is a bit fucky"
"Even if you hold R to shield, you're gonna be holding an L"
Whoever designed this Gief must of got bullied by some 6 year old in turbo and wanted to make sure it never happened again.
Fun fact, in the original test run leading up to the release of SF2, the dev team found out about this one guy who got like 87 wins with Gief and that lead to him being nerfed in the final release.
apparently that is why he was put in a villain group in wreck-it ralph. if i got my research correctly, the director had a lot of trouble with zangief back in the arcades, and that was his idea of revenge
Given how Gief was treated throught SFV's lifespan I would say that's probably the case
@@JackTR21 R.I.P Gief green hand
and then still works to screw him over in sf6
Zangief having a mystery cancel amuses me greatly
zangief: "And through this I can cancel into my greatest move!"
R mika: "What move, Master Zangief?"
zangief: "I'm... still thinking of that one. Trust me, It'll be amazing."
@@Underworlder5 I like to think it's ultra cancelable in a game without ultra
Mystery Cancel sounds so funny, it needs to be an actual mechanic in a fighting game.
@@PLATINUM_Rook
I’m thinking like you try to cancel it via super or special or whatever and it has a random chance of working lol
It cancels into Green Hand.
Zangief is the only character that can cancel into ultra
But he's in the wrong game
"only mystery-cancellable on block" gave me such a laugh, my goodness.
Next time my friends ask me what the hell I was trying to do in this game, Imma tell ‘em I tried to mystery cancel
Clearly, they intended on giving Gief a Roman Cancel
Pretty sure with his prideful nationalism, it'll be called the "Russian Cancel"
@@tatsumakivee4201now that I think about it, why IS it called a *Roman* Cancel?
@@KeDe1606 As a WWE fan, I see the pun there, if there is one because Gief is a wrestler lmao
In all seriousness, the only reason it is called that is because in Guilty Gear, the game would yell "ROMANTIC" whenever you canceled your move, so we just refer to it as a "Roman Cancel" for short. That's all I got. 🤷🏻
@@tatsumakivee4201 huh… neat. So „Roman Cancel“ is technically a fan-made term, that just gut adapted into the later games?
@@KeDe1606 Pretty much every "tech" in games is fan-made, yeah. They're not stuff the devs make and name. That's up to us. You think Wavedashing was something intended by the Devs of Smash Melee? Not at all, but someone in the community made it happen, and now the entire community of Smash knows well about it.
It's pretty fucked up how Capcom hates Zangief so much that even the intentionally OP boss version of the character is shit.
Genuinely one of the top reasons why USF4 is my favorite Street Fighter is because Gief isn't garbage in that game.
Dang I was really expecting the “it’s a super-cancelable normal with no super” but literally cancelling into something that doesn’t exist is way more interesting. Always fun to see little remnants of ideas the devs probably had before being scrapped/forgotten about hiding in the code like that.
It's actually cancellable into a nonexistent Ultra they just forgot to create.
@@HEHEHE_I_AM_A_MASKED_WARRIA That makes the most sense out of anything
My brain just went "is it cancellable into normal throw".
Yeah it seems like 4 could've meant throw cancellable
The 4 probably stands for Zangief canceling into the better version of himself that was in SF4.
19:33 "The meterless damage is actually pretty amazing."
That's good, since the character can't use meter.
I meant that in like comparison to other pokes you can combo off on CC but honestly this is a way funnier way to look at it
I love how your timestamp is a whole twenty seconds after he actually said it
@@minorfrac2886 It was correct when I made the comment. Looks like the CZcams editing tools were used at some point after the video went up. I updated it.
Wow, I guess even as a boss, Zangief gets no respect. Not even having a super is ridiculous, though, even if it's for a reference.
You know what I think would fix Boss Mode Zangief? Having it so your character also had to play by the same rules as him. No VTrigger, no EX, no Super.
This would bolster the SF2WW reference while suddenly making him a lot scarier and threatening with the tools that he has. Sure, his oki and combos are weak, but it's very likely that yours are, too, and his tools are going to hit way harder now.
Ngl this would've been a really cool gimmick
@@BigYellowSilly Exactly! Why play everything by the conventional rules of the game? These are specific, single-player events that these NPCs are in; let's go wild, throw the kitchen sink like a Smash Bros. event mode. I think that'd be pretty neat in general, honestly.
If you play a character that wasn't in world warrior, they just die instantly
@@emeraldmann1329 LOL
You made a video about a character no one asked for, to point out super specific weirdness no one would ever notice had there not been a mod, in order to learn about game information that will never be used.
This channel is fucking awesome, bro, props to you for doing all this
It’s crazy how you have all of these combos in the bag in SF and other fighting games but then you play Bowser in melee
Gamecube controller sent me down a dark path tbh
@@BigYellowSilly Wait until you get into the world of Pro Controllers. Changes a man.
@@BigYellowSilly ya gotta get a box controller man, the world changes after you do.
@@karenwest6350 dw I'm waiting on mine atm
That mystery cancel business immediately made sense to me in a "Pokemon Gold Kurt Pokeball Programming" kind of way.
The mystery cancel should have a random chance of summoning the worm from guilty gear
The worm from guilty gear?
I've seen Zangief's idle animation so many times I honestly question if his Chest Hair goes into another dimension when he slaps his arms.
Not to mention we see in the story mode he can put objects in his chest hair, confirming there is a pocket dimension in his chest hair
@@angryboi595 Only true Soviet comrades have ever had the honor of reaching such a dimension.
Look, at least he finally had his neck checked out after SFIV
@@KeDe1606He’s hiding a brace of some sort in that beard
So Boss Gief is basically half of a character of a character who's already half a character. SFV Gief is treated like such an afterthought, he makes Dee Jay look like the hero of SF4.
like seriously. who decided they needed to rip out Green Hand. Did someone at Capcom see Snake Eyez in sf4 and go "fuck off, having fun is cringe"
@@WaluTime It's ok. Gief got one of the worst counters ever conceived so it makes up for him not having important moves like green hand or quick lariat.
Same could be said for his characterization. Went from government agent and hero of the people to a generic wrestling enthusiast to... muscle.
Same for his character as well. He went from a heroic wrestling enthusiast to fucking muscle man
I like how this video it's like a tutorial on how to use a character you can't use.
"Just stick with this normal instead of that one"
I guess i will keep that in mind for next time i play online
I was going to make a joke about how you could just take away the "Boss" part of the title yet it would still be correct but then the video would be like an hour, but as soon as you got to the Lariat hitbox and the freaking "#4 cancels", I understood why you made this for this "Boss" variant. Dear gods Capcom hates this man and Vega something fierce.
I doubt they expected anybody to look at it this close, it's a non playable boss, they probably thought not being playable would hide most of the seams because they could control much more of the variables unlike anything taking place in the multiplayer where they have to proactively correct for human chaos.
No yeah the NPCs in general were never ment to be looked at in this way, but it is funny how much more busted this guy is
@@BigYellowSilly The more I've learned about video game programming, the more I've seen that it's mostly just programmers bashing tools together that WERE NOT designed for this purpose and papering over the cracks as best they can. The funny part is that it usually works.
@@samwill7259 This is programming in a nutshell really, hardly just limited to video game programming.
@@SSM24_ Make it work and hope nobody notices? Fair enough, sounds like most engineering in general
I love watching you get unreasonably mad about something 99% of players will never encounter.
I was going to mention how MaskedGief is everything NPCGief wanted to be. But the '4' in the code stuck the most with me. Because as programmer that means one out three reasons:
1) It was meant to cancel into a special something unique for him as NPC but they forgot to change it, or left it like that since it ain't broke so don't fix.
2) A scrapped/cut content that was going to be available to everyone, but it became leftover and never checked.
3) Another way to default to 0. Since the value range in the code is 1 thru 3, every other number that isn't one of those three, or in technical terms an ELSE, is told to return the value null or just not register it.
I mostly lean towards the last one, not because I hate fun, quite the opposite I find it intriguin how a fourth selection would impact the game and who would get it; but because if it was an error or mistake, they would've caught it sooner since they made another-ish character like him and they must've copy-pasted the lines of code for the first and just modify what they needed and there is where they could've noticed it and fixed it. But that's just me anyways lol, amazing video Big Y!
"like if some one threw up on the carpet and called it a reference to what they last ate" I found this really funny for some reason
i like how you mention his "meterless damage" as if he actually had metered damage of any kind
I've never played a street fighter game in my life.
I want to hit a mystery cancel so badly.
Why does it feel like the SF5 devs have a deep hatred for Gief lmao
Hold the L bozo 💀- SFV Devs to Zangief
Too much spinning I assume. I'd get sick if I was spun around that much.
Honestly it's difficult to tell who they hate more at this point: Zangief or Vega. At least with Vega, the _Super Turbo_ and _CvS2_ versions of him somewhat explain it. Meanwhile Zangief has never been that dominant even in the few instances where he was good unless there's something I'm forgetting.
Fingers crossed that SF6 gives him one more way to bask in his glory….
Before he gives the reigns to Mika or Biff.
@@MusicoftheDamned Its kinda funny how up to CVS2 Vega was almost Akuma level of "This character just CANT be bad" and since 4 he was never good again XD
Yeah you're right about this not being a good reference. SPD was probably the most terrifying thing in his kit on the surface but older versions of zangief had a ton of throws and holds on all of his medium and heavy buttons. Should have made his throws proximity based with no whiff animations. You'd shit your pants if he was anywhere near your half of the screen.
God zangief is so flawed of a character design even as an snk boss he’s not great. I don’t WANT to dunk on gief, I respect the fact he invented the grappler archetype but I really hope they overhaul him in 6 to be a real fleshed out character. Because it’s tragic to look at this as the grandfather of all grapplers and see a character best described as “but why does he lack these things?”
Zangief was actually really good in SF4, not the best character but still pretty solid. And it's not like grapplers are inherently bad characters, Potemkin in Plus R is a very solid character, and in the original Accent Core he was actually pretty broken.
I feel like Capcom fears making powerful grapplers because peopoe are gonna complain about it, same deal with fireballs post SF2. Honestly almost all the problems with Street Fighter and it's characters is that they want to fix stuff that half of the time isn't even there.
@@theraymunator Lol, outside of accent core pot I really can't think of any top tier grapplers
if capcom is so worried about making top tier grapplers I wish they had that sort of apprehension around balancing actual top tier characters like yun in the games history
zangief was viable while also being sick in sf4 his archetype can work
@@herbbirb3766 Season 1 of DBZA had Android 16, and while Z Broly also has the best zoning in the game, his command grabs are genuine threats you always fear.
@@LloydTheZephyrian broly is to top tier grapplers what nickelback is to math rock
"so I'm talking about a character nobody asked for" this is the energy I want to see.
Well you see, Gief's St.HP and Sweep are actually cancelable into... Uhhhh...
(Sounds of papers rustling)
Drive Impact...? That's a thing, right...? Haha! Good ol' Capcom, sneaking in... references to future games like that!....
Truly a "capcom wtf r u doing" type character version
It's like a sequel to the "Is SFV Gief Missing Something?" video from last year.
At this point, Gief's theme might as well be the theme song for Fighting Game Garbage
If SFV Gief is missing something, Boss Gief is missing everything.
Even the boss version of Gief is bad holy god, why does sfv hate gief so much? Did he piss in a Capcom head's coffee after having gotten drunk on vodka?
Imo, grapplers like Abigail, Birdie and Alex are still more interesting in design than the classic character Zangief
@@Kara-de5cz Abigail isnt a grappler. He has a command grab, sure, but he isnt like gief where 75% of your damage is grabs, its all big ass normals and specials. Hes not a grappler in a similar way Ibuki/Makoto arent grapplers
@@WaluTime makoto is definitely a grappler. Her entire gameplay revolves around grab 50/50 vortexing you over and over until you're dead
@@AdamSmasherReal I disagree. The only reason her grab is a used as it is is because how it enables her more powerful moves, whereas traditional grapplers do their main damage solely off of a grab
@@danknecoarc7174 >whereas traditional grapplers do their main damage solely off of a grab
that's literally what she does, except instead of raw grab damage her grab leads into a combo. her main goal is still to grab you.
"mistery cancel" sounds like some melty blood shit lmao
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“I haven’t played online in a while, so giving luke a concussion isn’t really doing it for me like it usually would”
Those cancellable moves that only the CPU can do smells of that frame 1 CPU stuff in Hajime No Ippo that only they seem to be able to do, if you break their guards they are able to frame 1 activate their gross guard move or their special dodge move and I don't know if it's possible for a human to do that, but also the CPUs in that game will never walk forward or backward, so if they start walking towards you, their guard is always down and they're going to throw a punch as soon as they step into reach, because punching in that game will automatically lock you into walking into the exact range for a punch before throwing it and it cancels your autoguard
A Hajime No Ippo game?
Spare me some sauce, kind sir...
@@EonTheAien the Gameboy Advance one is simply the best game in the series I've played. I can't get into the PlayStation 2 games and I'm sure the later games have their charm, but the one for GBA just felt like a proper tribute. I played any way I could initially but I actually have two carts to play on my GBAs
19:33 "The meterless damage is actually pretty amazing." Lol, I guess you're right. I'mma start saying that when playing world warrior.
We are one step closer to unfolding Gief's mystery cancel into Cambodian death combo
There's something with the SF5 devs and this big wrestling guy
I can't get around what it is, but it genuinly fascinates me
Its hilarious that a boss meant to be broken as a challenge would probably still only be mid tier if they were actually playable, and even then that's only really because of the health, stun, and frame 1 SPD.
this is a 30 minute video
about a game i don't know anything about
in a genre i don't play
about the mechanics and viability of a character
that you can't even play as so it doesn't matter
in other words, this is exactly my kind of content; good shit
dude, i love these longer fighting game garbage/gold/glance videos, that one you did about necro was your best yet, and i dont even play third strike, literally ever. not only did it feel very in-depth, but i (and probably many others too) like videos with plenty of run time to sink my chompers into. keep up the good work dude, this series is seriously one of my favorites on all of youtube, many thanks for all the hours and hard work you put into these for our enjoyment.
"1000-Ten Hundred stun" That's a good number.
I'm good at numbers sometimes
Should've given him an EX Tundra Storm
Though still tanky, I am genuinely shocked boss Gief isn't tankier than Master Ryu. And I figured using vanilla SF2 to make a boss version of Gief was already too limiting, but the mystery cancels and some of the frame data still confused me, as in who thought that was a good idea. No wonder he looked so underwhelming.
Well, with boss Gief out of the way, it can really only go up from here.
If they wanted to properly pay homage to SF2 Gief, they should have given him quick lariat and Green Hand even though that would be a huge kick in the dick.
He has those move in ST.
@@robertgeorge4602 I'd even settle for a Final Atomic Buster. Won't fix his other problems, but at least his super would look cool.
Imagine Boss Zangief had a V-Trigger where it does Street Fighter 2 Levels of damage for 1-2 throws
7:56 "It's like if someone threw up on the carpet, and called it a reference of what they last ate."
Solid quote.
I don't even like fighting games but now I've formed a CZcams Certified Parasocial Relationship with you and I love watching these vids
This is really interesting, they could have just copied and pasted like they did with the second boss Zangief but no they did all these weird extra changes
Have you looked into boss characters from other games? KoF XV has a boss version of Omega Rugal with an exclusive super move, not sure if he has any other weird properties though, other than not being able to regenerate health for some reason
We need to start using "mystery-cancelleable" as a fg term
The fact that ultra heavyweight Gief is green, only uses Double Lariat and Spinning Pile driver, and his jabs are really fast, makes me think he is a refference to Hagar. Double Lariat and Pile Drivers are techniques that define Hagar, and hitting the attack button as fast as you can is a MUST on Beat Em Up games. I wonder if the "fourth option" was "the move cancelable into anything, but at the spend of some HP"
"It genuinely feels like whoever was working on this character actually fucked up at a couple of points" feels like it sums it everything about SFV Gief as a whole.
"Like if you threw up on the carpet then called it a reference to what you just ate"
Boss Gief was designed by a cat confirmed
So Boss Zangief is basically Street Fighter 2 World Warrior Zangief. He is THIS UNBALANCED.
i personally wondered about the details of boss zangief in sf5, so this is much appreciated thank u. he seemed like a weird boss!
The throwing up on the carpet line was absolute peak.
13:50 Me: Can they cancel into the super he doesn't have
Big Yellow: It's not that they can cancel into super
Get out of my head!
Me whose never played street fighter v and doesn't even really like street fighter: oh nice, big yellow dropped a new street fighter vid
Welcome back buddy!
I haven't played street fighter since USF4 but this video was so fun.
"Like if someone threw up on the carpet and called it a reference to what they last ate" is probably my favourite quote from your videos
I Really Hope Zangief Gets Much Better Treatment In Street Fighter 6.
He deserves it ong
@@BigYellowSilly I hope he gets a Green hand super,like custom combo in alpha.
Like,he does like 4 green hands,then he does one of them big ol' double izuna drops like in Usf4
I haven't really enjoyed any grapplers aside fron Ultra Hakan,Ultra Hugo and 3s Hugo.
A dream list for Sf6 for me would be like...
Q, C.Viper, Dudley,Hakan,Hugo,Remy
Sean,Twelve,and T.Hawk.
Also Abel and Alex because gay.
@@bageltime8983 remy lmao
Remy needs to be actually usable of he does get added. The double sweep cHK, charge on all of his skills, and the *B L U E N O C T U R N E* he definitely needs a buff if he's added
Narrator: Zangief did not get much better treatment in Street Fighter 6
Hey,uh..
Just wanted to say that I haven't been doing well lately,and I really appreciate your work.
Your vids have gotten me through some really,REALLY bad times,and I wanna say thank you.
I feel safe when I'm in this channel,like I can really feel the love and dedication put into each of your videos.
So thank you for pretty much keeping me alive for the past 2 years😅
Really hope that everything gets better for you, thank you so much tho 🙏
@@BigYellowSilly Always welcome!!👌
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I didn't even know this character existed... But I've had a lot of time off and on with the game so I don't know/remember all the boss characters. But once again, a really interesting video.
Idea: A Fighting Game Garbage on Zangief in SFV in general.
I don't play it myself, but follow the scene, and the amount of stories I heard about him being literally unusable for large swaths of the game's lifespan scares me. It seems like this was far worse at launch but got gradually better.
Truly blessed day when big yellow video drops 🙏
What the mystery cancel probably was: They probably gave him Banishing Flat and wanted these moves to only cancel into that
What I'm choosing to believe: Jump cancelling Zangief
As someone without much SFV experience, my friends and I all decided to play it while it was free on PlayStation. Because we were all bad, we actually banned Zangief just for the down neutral leg sweep because it’s impossible to play against when you’re all bad at the game
Yay, the boss character i was waiting you to talk
They've been doing my man's bad since Omega SF4, grapple players are in ruins
Bro tried to cancel into Drive Rush but he was too ahead of his time.
I want to explain something related to Mystery Cancel.
So in programming, let's say you have a bunch of states that you want to handle for a given object, but you don't want to create whole new data structures for those states. The easiest thing to do is to assign each state a number, then give those states a human-readable name that you type in your code. These are called Enums, or Enumeration. The idea is that you get to write a nice readable `Move.CanCancelInto = CANCELTYPES.SuperCancellable` in your code, and when it gets compiled it becomes a very well optimized `Move.CanCancelInto = 2` in the actual program.
So for Mystery Cancel to exist, either:
1) Mystery Cancel used to be an actual feature, and they decided against it before the game launched so it's just not a thing anymore
OR
2) SOMEONE PURPOSEFULLY WROTE `Move.CanCancelInto = 4` FOR SOME REASON.
1 I can forgive. 2 is probably indicative of spaghetti code. This also means that we will never know what Mystery Cancel is without asking a developer.
this needs more attention because it makes this _so much funnier_
Def thought it was #2 when it was brought up. Quick & simple way to ship that out if you were told nobody would play this character
Def thought it was #2 when it was brought up. Quick & simple way to ship that out if you were told nobody would play this character
"I'm not asking for anything crazy like Green Hand"
okay but, Shadow Lady is literally an entirely new character with unique attacks. They could've given boss gief Green Hand.
Small correction for an otherwise great video. SFV gief dash after L SPD is -3 a lot of characters can punish
Ty for that I'm honestly very surprised by that tho cause I don't think I've ever been punished for a cheeky dash after it
I've never even played Street Fighter but your videos make me want to try it
Mystery Cancel and Hypothetical Cancel are my new favorite terms.
Thinking about the "mystery cancel" imagine if this gief had a normal that randomly alternated between Gatling Cancels (like anime fighters), super cancels, and special move cancelable kek
Geif out here with the unknowable cancels and one can only be done on block
Lmao even Gief's boss form is low tier 😭😭😭
He really can't win in this game ong
Ngl zangief's old sweep is satisfying when it YOU'RE hitting it but dealing with it succkssss
New big yellow video. Awesome dub boss
Nerf Mystery Cancels!!
Christ Capcom just rename him to fucking Zangrief because you killed him TWICE! In the same game!
Here’s to hoping he’s not shit in SF6
Well, he can't suck if he's not in the game...
Narrator: He was indeed shit in SF6
Hope you did well in your smash tournament!
Spinning pile driver: the character
At this point, it's all Boss Zangief has. Good tool, but all he has.
"It's been over six months since I talked about one of the non playable boss characters in SF5"
wow what a sentence LMAO
“I’m not asking for anything crazy like green hand”
Well I am. And have been for quite some time
You should do one on Leo in Capcom Fighting Evolution.
He has decent reach on a lot of his normals, a SPD special, two okay specials for ending combos*, a command grab super, and an okay 'multi-hit' super. There's just one itty bitty glaring problem with his kit, and i'll let you find that out on your own.
NEW BIG YELLOW VID YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
At this point, if you told me that Zangief was put into SF5 out of pure spite and made him as shit as possible for the hell of it, I would believe you.
you bring me life big yellow
Maybe the mystery cancel cancels into taunt
It doesn't but honestly that would be pretty sick
His heavy punch and sweep are cancellable into the home screen so you can stop playing this character
doesn't do much for him but it's great for me