I made some design mistakes... let's fix it
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2023
- In this episode I test the cooling in this SFF build and try to make it more efficient... Here is where I made some mistakes...
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I wish every channel would do content with customizing cases, laptops, AIO's, custom loop builds and everything with testing. In my younger days, we'd talk about these on a certain overclocking forum and at least one person in each case building thread would try different things out and report their findings, put them all together and it was easy to learn what you needed with most cases and functional hardware on the market.
Keep the awesome modding videos coming Jay, I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates them!
Old forums are unbeatable. So much magic happened in forums back in the day. I miss it
@@harleye1235 me too, I went back for a few months last year but things have changed so much, there are lots of guides online but actually seeing Jay do it really helps with understanding.
This is the stuff Jay does best IMO. I would like to see more of this. This and the costume water loop content are so fascinating to me. I would try it myself if I had the time and money but at least I can watch Jay and his team do cool builds like this one.
I love this customization on a pre-built. The Expanse is a great choice too IMO.
Great follow ups too. From start to finish 👍🏻
If you're going to print a modified grill, why not build the spacer into it too and print it as all one piece? So you can then also make the corners and screw holes the right depth for the screws you have.
no shit? it's almost like he mentioned this a few times in this video and his last video on this system LOL. you're a genius!
A spacer between the fan and the grill will impact of the astetic more than you would think. sff case like that even more so, i may be a shit designer but its not easy.
If they had the spacer incorporated into the grille, 3d printing it would be more trouble since the grille pattern would be floating in mid air and would need support material which would add to post processing. If you're quick on the uptake then printing one part after the other would only take 20s maybe to remove the old print and start the next print, additional electricity use is neglegable.
Having the spacer seperate is better since you can then do comparison tests of (new grille) vs (old grille) vs (new grille + spacer) vs etc. Plus, if they want to change the spacer depth, they just need to reprint the spacer and not a whole assembly.
It’s always cool to see a specific case study (pun may or may not be intended) on a very specific case
Don't wuss out, be proud of your puns!
That case came out being pretty freakin awesome and I'm not even into Expanse stuff.
Looks great. I was wondering how a cage over the AIO fan would look instead of the grate. Think work light cage. That's what i really like about your approach of 3D printed panels. You can change a panel to alter the appearance of the build down the road if you feel like it. Really cool, great job!
Very cool setup. Like it.
Im hoping you shot this over the past weekend. Everyone knows Labor day is the best time for a new grill.
Speaking of Adam Savage, A) I've been _loving_ his Starfield ship model build, and B) inspired by that, a little bit of dry brush is really gonna make that system pop.
Looks like Minion eye balls!
Great job Jay!
takes a drink every time Jay says ProArt
I like this series!
Great content! Loved this series, looking forward to the next one
I want to see more of the stuff cut out of these videos like when he realizes the spacer want going to work with the screws. I get that most people would get bored watching that but I feel like I used to see more of that from Jay's videos.
Move the rad to the outside of the panel then you have enough room for push pull. And if painted right would fit into the design.
Well worth trying a spacer betweent the fan and the vent, it's amazing how much it can help. If you're looking for super thin fans, silverstone are an option as well as noctua.
Well done on the build, team
I really love how this case turned out!
Good job, looks awesome.
How about making an epoxy spacer for the top? That can house smaller fans for exhaust on top? You can make the epoxy cast with a protomolecule design and backlight them with LEDs. Im sure you can come up with something incorporating both the louvers and the "protomolecule-spacer".
Love the compact builds.
you could setup the 2 thruster fans, with rgb that changes color based on the temp of the GPU, from white > yellow > red would be a neat way to visually show off the temps and when its actually doing things.
iCUE fan curves are specifically tuned for AIO cooling and respond to the temperature of the liquid - you need to make your own for it to work as you want it using specific temperature sensors readable by the software.
One of the crazy ideas for a computer case would be a sand race car from the movie Star Wars. Where I would use 4 cooling radiators, 2 for one engine and 2 for the other engine, and connect the pipes and cables to the cockpit where the computer would be located, of course the computer would be intended for the wall, but I would not have a problem with modeling and making plasma connections between the engines. Ideal for all loyal Star Wars fans.
After cutting off the grill you can add two more cuts for pipes and move the AIO rad out of the case; the pipes can go through the hole; then you can do a push-pull *and* have a better clearance.
This build makes me realize that Jay really needs to make a Minion's themed build.
I run 6x120 at 2k rpm intake, and 6x120 (push pull) @ 1200-1600 rpm, and I can definitely tell the whole system is happier when the exhaust is higher despite overwhelming positive pressure. Nice thing though, is you can play games with the exhausts at 1200 when the load is low and it's super quiet overall.
You should make the AIO Fan grill look like the TOP EXHAUST ports :)
I remember jay saying that he thought about using a 240mm rad, but ended up not doing it because it would be flush against the case so the air couldnt really escape.
What if you add standoffs to the case and mount the 240mm rad to those so they are spaced out a bit from the case, the air could escape through the gaps that the standoffs create and you could cover it by printing vents for the sides?
That little fart noise at the end gets me every time!
Unless you're using budget parts that use cheap components, you REALLY shouldn't have to worry about internal case/exhaust temps. Even "decent" components are rated to run at surprisingly warm temps, and all you need is airflow, even 'warm' air will remove plenty of heat from components. Stagnant air is far far far far far more of a concern than 'warm' air that's consistently flowing. You really should only need to worry about CPU temps, GPU temps, and just making sure you have airflow over the rest; there's certainly exceptions(maybe a certain case design just kills airflow around the motherboard VRM for example, or re: a lot of budget boards), but you generally just shouldn't have to worry about them. Enjoy the quieter fan speed!
Glad to see that the case grill is getting cut out, that was driving me crazy having that fan sandwiched between the grill on the case and the 3D printed great, just choking that thing! lol
Shout out to 120 AIO gang! Ran one FOREVER, all while watching videos telling me about how I just shouldn't even consider a 120 because they aren't enough for anything but low end hardware. Except I guess a lot of TechTubers were just assuming that(used to that Intel life maybe?), cuz I've run a few gens of 6 core Ryzens overclocked on 120s a good bit.
I played with my fan configurations on my LianLi Tuf120 case. Removing the metal grills made the largest difference. I picked up some of those bolt on grills and was able to get an overall decrease of 5-7c in my GPU Temps. I never did like the OEM grills on any case.
The processor cooler is seriously suffering. It might be better to enlarge the hole and put the two propeller radiator on the outside and at the same time get rid of the static air pressure problem. In terms of appearance, you can model it as if it were a spaceship hanger. For the next project, it would be nice if you could make an engine from a car, if of course you still have a styrofoam casting! From a couple of years ago. Another idea would be to make a water tank which would be additionally cooled by old laptop coolers if the water temperature rose.
Jay seems to have been converted to the dark side with the LTT screwdriver. Now I want one even more.
I still cannot unsee the "surprised robot face" on this case xD
Did you see msi declining warrantees when people use cablemod 12v hpwr adapters?
More of this type of content please, this was awesome. Would love to see different cases with different themes. Cant go wrong with space ships tho, your giving me ideas with my O11 Dynamic lol
I love stuff like this. Give me that content jay lol
The Foundation Vault!
Completely 3D printed ITX/MATX Case
PSU can be the hill and then the rest of the components in the case on top
Have the center in a U shaped white wall and behind it run all the cables and support beams to hold the sides mainly and the bottom the same white in front with support in back (ie 2 L's back to each other) Blast the white with white led's and make minifigs of Jay has Harry and Nic and Phil as the Warden Salvor Haarden (or Hober Mallow ) and Poly Verisof standing on the hill
top shelf video Jay!
Carburetor spacers and velocity stacks work. Something like that may help increase velocities into the case.
Jay and the team. How about moving away from the space theme builds (though I do like these)and doing maybe a Vampire build, with red liquid/tubing with red and purple accents; cloaks, fangs and bats optional.
So timely!! I am building out my gaming rig with some fans. It is a fascinating topic, I have found some passionate people in the sub Reddit.
Great vid and neat build, kinda wish he was getting more views as he really deserves it. 😊😊😊
Is this the first uncensored J2C video?! love it lol
Jay, could you do a follow up video with the mesh cut out from behind the Twin GPU fans and the top exhaust vents. I've always cut out all the mesh that's been in front or behind my fans, simply because it has to be a restriction (even if just a small one) but I've never actually done a before and after comparison of the temps.
I wish I can afford something like this. Amazing build.
You should try a simple negative offset on the CPU. My 7800X3d lost 10 - 15 degree going to a -20 offset and is not stuck at max frequence.
Well done... less than a two or three year build... very not bad.
been a while since I've heard jay drop an f bomb.
Best channel on CZcams! I never miss a vid.
Yes, that is a classic Adam Savage quote. One of his best, imo :D
Great looking build! Hope you get to work with Adam Savage one day, that would be a super cool collab.
Jay is officially at his best when he's doing custom building stuff!
Though I still like the janky videos where they blow up cooling loops and break glass
13:47 You forgot the bleep! 🙊
Did I miss exhaust with the Louvres removed? Would have been nice to see if that had similar uplift like it did for intake
Anyone looking at buildimg a SFF OC with very highend Hardware should take a look at the DanCase A4 H2o. It just fits the MSI Ventus RTX 4090, and has space for a 240mm radiator, all while beeing one of the smallest PC cases I have ever seen. I run my computer in it myself, and temperatures are good, as the 4090 buls fresh air from Outside the case. (The fans litrally touch the metal if you dont put some tape around it to prevent it from doing so)
Hey Jay! I am sure you probably won't read this, but I love the build. Very creative and well beyond my capabilities so its really cool to see people like you do cool stuff like this! That said, do you think there is any chance you would do a build soon where you grab soft line tubing for a water-cooled build but actually purchase the parts at Micro Center? I am about to put a build together with either a 13700k or the 7800X3D and want to water-cool ONLY the CPU. I have a 4080FE and don't see a need to water cool it really. I would love to see how you approach this use case scenario. I have been building computers for over 30 years but I feel like it might be time to do a custom cpu water-cooled build (again with soft line tubing) as my first water cooling attempt (AIO's are ok but not my favorite option). Feedback is always welcome! Thanks!
Actually, "Custom1" fan speed is completely configurable from idle to full speed. You can set the fan curve you want.
pls add a fan at the back of the gpu as exhaust
cpu pump can stay intake as well
would be nice for both of them
If you air temp are going to be over 60 degrees exiting the case then you are going to start running into problems with the printed parts, as PLA has a glass transition of 60 degrees so warping of the parts is going to be a big thing. I would recommend re printing you parts in ABS or ASA, or even PETG as you are painting them as wont need a heated chamber then.
JAY!!!! You need to use a small blower fan that moves A LOT more air and will look more scifi that a rgb case fan! Plz comment chat back me up on this!
I really like the build. It looks cool but I do wish there was some color on it. either a stripe or the base, just something. Sure there are the lights, but to me it's not enough. Even the logos/ship name could have had a splash of color.
Regardless, I love the build and thank you for the vids on it. Also love the experimentation of the fans and such.
Interesting as heck. keep it up man.
need some smoke for air flow checking ....plus it always fun to watch. :)
Need to 3d print a little over hang hood that goes over the top of the side fans
Spacer on both sides of the side panel would be good to see. Could go 10mm inside and smaller outside. Worth it for another 2c drop.
Has Jay tested unmatched fans in push+pull? I'd assume if the weaker fan's flow in free air is more than the stronger fan's flow through the rad, then it can still only help.
about the same amount of time of innovation after building it the first time as a concept
i jave a suggestion for the fan grill, maybe your "JTC" logo as your grill pattern. it will looks cool
have you done curve optimization for the CPU yet? it should decrease power usage and tempes quite a bit over stock.
Enable ECO mode in the BIOS for the 7800X3D? I have a 7900X (non-3D), that was HOT out of the box (even with a 360 AIO). I switched to ECO Mode and set it to the 105W TDP setting, and it stays very under control now.
Can you do another build about starfield? how about making a build inside a space helmet?
I love the custom builds. Idk if you're into it or not but, I'd love to see a Borderlands themed build.
How about mounting the rad outside the case with the fan inside as exhaust?
Can you print a grill/cover with the same style vents as the top?! Spaced farther apart so you have the same vebts but far enough apart to let the RGB through?
Im guessing you could throw some spacers between the 3d printed grate cover and fan.
Hey Jay, great build, Noctua has vents that are 15mm thick and these are good. I had to use these in a build where the motherboard was so close to the top, that 25mm hit the motherboard. It was also a pain in the *ss, to squeeze the CPU power cable and connector through, so had to install this connection first. Every build is different :)
Jay logic. Turn fans off locked rpm, fans ramp to 1000rpm higher. Jay - "it's the grate".
Cool !
use fan control instead, set it to have 50% min for both, but sharp rampup when exceeding any temp you want.
Very cool to see the full design happen.
Honestly, could have kept the canted louvres on that fan grille. Would just need to take a dremel and hog out the backside and edges of the louvres nearest the fan. Still wouldn't be "as good", but would retain the aesthetics and improve airflow.
Your best bet would be delid and go with a direct-die mount with the 120MM AIO
What if you put a 240 on the other side with the dual fans there the tubing and stuff would look cool and it would add massive benefits. Put it on the outside with the fans and route cool looking tubing going in it is so crazy.....it just might ....work. Shameless plug for my fav movie Master of Disguise! Good stuff Jay. It looks cool but the biggest issue I have had with smaller form factor has always been heat. This stuff these days is HOT, HOT, HOT.
All I can see looking at that case is two Minion eyes and the smaller vent as it's mouth :D
Miata shell around sim rig, and then mount screens where windows were? or some version there of?
@jayztwocents How about hanging the radiator and fan unit outside the case.
The tubes would look pretty cool too.
Jay: Look I've tried to squeeze bigger things in tighter areas ok
Michael: That's What She Said!
The whole time the thermo sensor on the desk makes the PC look like it's smokin' with big wide eyes lmao.
Also, for a cooler effect, you could just cover the hub, do tiny cross sections, like the new one with 3-d print. With a small bubble on the edge to smooth airflow. A center area to cover the hub lights, and the section covering the edge leds to increase airflow, like the gpu fans but smol.
And here I am thinking I finally get some beeping from Jay
they should make a fan that's bi-directional with the same performance on both direction. we can set it to intake or exhaust depending on the temps
maybe you can fit the radiator through the hole where the honeycomb were and so you can do it as a pushpull
Hit it w PBO curve optimizer negative all core (Δ~ -20) in the BIOS to get better CPU clocks and lower temps/pwr usage
@JayzTwoCents put the radiator on the outside.. 😉
What is the temp of the exhaust air?
If you printed the exhaust "fins" in PLA they start becoming soft/malleable at around 60c, meaning they would deform over time
For a push-pull aio, would putting only one fan inside and both the rad and the other fan on the outside work?
Maybe it wouldn't work design wise though. Idk.
Run the 120 rad on the outside and keep the push/pull config. I think that would fit with the aesthetic still with the tubes being visible. Again... where is the keel mounted railgun and blue glowing protomolecule?!
Just food for thought, but what if you could do a mini itx build where the case is the body of an ATAT from Starwars with the long walker legs holding it up...