@@light2230 he was a somewhat shady chap an associate of Billy the kid , Christian Slater played him in Young guns he ended up with his head cut off in Mexico
Doc was just so fucking cool that both Val and Dennis did stellar jobs. They did it two different ways and still were able to show us the personality and quirks of the true Doc.😊
I totally agree. Val played the joking wise cracking Doc whereas Dennis played the hard drinking mean Doc both of which were correct. A great example is when Doc and Kate get into the fight in the hotel room and Wyatt has to break it up. I like both equally.
@@georgemorenstein yes i have to respect and admire Quaid's method. He lost all that weight for that role...i hardly recognized him. Method acting at its finest!
@@boazbuchandler9845 - Are you referring to Kirk Douglas, who starred alongside Burt Lancaster in The Gunfight At The O.K Coral? Kirk was a good actor, and his having blonde hair was true to the real Doc, as Wyatt described Doc as having blonde hair, but he was way too robust to look like a man wasting away from Turburculosis.
Possibly Dennis Quaid's finest performance. He had the misfortune of playing Doc Holiday at the same time as Val Kilmer, and all the movie critics compared them.
@@scottbernard8824 In that role? I disagree. He held the screen every time he was on it. Whatever other dross he has pushed out, it was a bravura performance. I would agree DQ's portrayal might well have been more realistic, but I want movie, not real.
John 'Doc' Holliday met with the Earp family in Nebraska on his way to California. They were like brothers ever since. Wyatt always referred to him as brother John. He loved him.
@@zforbes839 Yes, he died on November 8th, 1887. He had gone to a hotel in Glenwood, Colorado after the whole OK Corral/Vendetta Ride and Wyatt didn't find out about his death until 3 years AFTER he died.
The part at 1:48 where Doc knocks over the bottle and Wyatt nabs it without batting an eye is significant. It’s at that point Doc realizes Wyatt is as cold a killer with nerves of steel as anyone he’s ever met. Doc likes and respects him instantly. Great movie!
~ But ~ Wait ~ There's ~ More ~ The bottle is a bottle of spirit(s), literally and figuratively. The symbolism of the action with the bottle is: "If my spirit comes to you, and falls down, will you pick it up, and return it to me? Or will you take the opportunity to mock me - especially after I have already greeted you with defiant, needling statements - and look upon me as weak and pitiful?" After Wyatt - carefully, deliberately - returns the bottle to Doc, Doc's next words are those with which he asks if Wyatt believes in friendship.
In case someone hasn't picked it up, Dave Rudabaugh who Wyatt asks Doc about was one of Billy The Kid's gang and he is portrayed in the movie Young Guns.
IMDb Trivia: While in real life Wyatt Earp did not directly arrest Dave Rudabaugh following his talk with Doc Holiday as depicted in the film, the outlaw would continue to have run-ins with the lawman for the next five years. Earp telegraphed the information he got from Holiday to William Barclay 'Bat' Masterson, who did arrest Rudabaugh in Kansas in 1878. Following this and other encounters with Earp in Dodge City, Rudabaugh fled to New Mexico where he joined up with Billy the Kid in a new gang. Following a shootout at Stinking Springs on 12/23/1880. He was taken prisoner along with Billy The Kid and sent to prison for trial in Santa Fe. In February 1881 he was sentenced to hang for his crimes but escaped custody and fled to Arizona. There he joined the Clanton faction in their battles against Earp and his family. He may have taken part in the shootings of Virgil and Morgan Earp, as well as the subsequent clash at Iron Springs where Curly Bill Brocius was killed. Rudabaugh came to a bad end when he was killed and decapitated in Mexico on 2/18/1886.
I was sick a lot as a kid, and the sound of that cough at 2:52 is just so authentically real, its unnerving. I always liked this version of Doc, and if I had a bar of my own at that time, I would have let him sit there all day just to hear him talk, and expound upon whatever was bothering him.
Doc Holliday was an incredible man but was a victim of the time period he lived in. At that time there was no cure for tuberculosis and he died at just 36, in a very gruesome and slow way. It's too bad the disease he had was incurable. He'd have been able to live much longer, I'm sure. But yes, I would give anything to travel back in time and sit at a table with him and just talk. Maybe play a few games of poker with him. Doc Holliday was a very interesting man, I'm sure. And quite an amazing fellow to talk to.
@ᴄʀᴇsᴛᴇᴅ sᴀɢᴜᴀʀᴏ At least he could purchase opiates and cocaine at the general store back then to help him deal with his affliction. In movies they always show him drinking, but I assume he was intelligent enough to use nature's pain medicine to cope with the pain from TB. There's only so much that alcohol can numb.
@@doxholiday1372 From accounts given from Big Nose Kate, Bat Masterson and Wyatt, Doc took only laudanum (morphine and alcohol) in his later years when he was in Colorado, and was on his way down. In Tombstone, he drank mostly to stay stable enough, and coherent enough to play cards, handle his guns, ride his horse, and generally just to stay ambulatory enough to get by. It was when the Stage II TB set in, that Doc started taking laudanum in earnest, and it was not long after this that he died.
Poor Dennis Quaid. He went all super method and starved himself, jeopardizing his health to look skeletal & near death to turn in a tightly calibrated performance worthy of a Supporting Actor nomination that never came. Val Kilmer just used pale makeup and did a brilliant spin on a cartoonish Foghorn Leghorn impression and turned in such a definitive Doc Holiday role I doubt we’ll ever see an actor dare touch the tile for decades to come, if ever again. Reminds me of that Marathon Man quote from Laurence Olivier said to Dustin Hoffman after Dustin told him he’d been up for two days to get into character: “Why don’t you just try acting?”
[ worthy of a Supporting Actor nomination that never came ] But ... "had, for that, Such glamor as can wear sheer triumph out" -- 'John Brown's Body', Stephen Vincent Benét (1928)
@@JasonMontell2501 A ton? By that statement, in comparison, Quaid lost a Mega-Ton. I've not seen or read anything in which Kilmer mentions losing a ton of weight - or any for that matter - to play Doc Holiday.
I don't know why. Quaid's performance feels much more authentic i.e., I forget in watching Quaid and not the actual Doc Holiday. That's a mark of a good performance and movie for me, when even though I know who the actors are I forget that's who I'm watching while I'm watching them. When I watch tombstone all I see is Val in a mustache.
Though Val Kilmer was the BEST Doc Holliday ever...I always did love Dennis' version as well. Dennis did an amazing Doc and as a huge Val/Doc fanatic, I will never dismiss Dennis Quaid's very realistic performance of this character.
Wyatt is fearless, Doc nearly hacked up a lung into his hand, then extends that same hand to Wyatt as a gesture of friendship. Not quite sure how I would have handled that one.
Tombstone is crap compared to this. Look at Val Kilmer's pudgy face covered in makeup and then this scene here of Dennis Quaid who lost 30lbs to portray a man slowly dying.
Kilmer was good as Doc in Tombstone, but Dennis Quaid make a more believable Doc Holliday here as cold and menacing yet low key, someone to be truly feared.
Doc Holiday feared he was never going to see Georgia again as I feel I will never set foot in my home state of Massachusetts till I'm a friggin corpse. Such is life
For the longest time I didn't realize it was him. He played the characters so well I couldn't recognize the actor behind the character even though it's clearly Quaid.
Both movies are awesome. Made at the same time. Had to duke it out over period costumes. Still can’t decide my favorite Doc Holiday. However…Dennis Quaid…looks like death warmed over here…. That is dedication. That is art.
@@dp5707 nope. Tombstone was too Hollywood action. It seemed too cool. Wyett Earp tells more of the harsh realities people face during the time. Diseases, lawlessness, the harsh truth of trying to make a living in those times. Hands down this movie is better.
2:08 when one moralistic killer sees he finally has found another truly moralistic killer of the same, almost psychotic cut as he is. You can FEEL their kinship then. Glorious film.
Stating my unpopular opinion: Dennis Quaid played a better Doc Holliday than Val Kilmer. Way more rough around the edges, tubercular, damaged, and dangerous. The stuff he does with his voice and mannerisms, acting like someone with T.B., is incredible acting.
I loved tombstone so watched this the other night, no idea why it gets the hate! was a fantastic movie, that explores wyatt's whole life instead of just the tombstone chapter. Dennis Quaid played Doc just as good as Kilmer in my opinion, just a different style. Don't know why people hate just because theres more options.
Fun fact: this movie was produced at the same time as Tombstone. Where Wyatt Earp was being played by Kurt Russell and Doc Holliday by Val Kilmer. So there was a bit of a spirited competition going on as to who got the best portrayal.
Actually both movies were great in their own right and should not be compared. Each is slightly different than the other and tells the story from different angles.
Kinda got overshadowed by Tombstone but this was a great movie and portrayal as well. Is there a main source for this portrayal of Doc Holliday? It's very similar to Val Kilmer and now everyone plays Doc Holliday that way.. as a deadly, sarcastic well mannered scoundrel.
@@reycesarcarino4653 Maybe not overshadow, but do his best, he certainly did, great writing and acting, but tombstone is such a classic that it cannot really be surpassed, although a couple of scenes are quite cheesy and some historical liberties were taken, that reputation is well deserved. Anyway, I still believe it's a nice addition as this meeting wasn't shown in Tombstone and it is satisfying to be able to see it, especially acting like this
"Are you a lawman Wyatt Earp? You are not wearing a badge, are you ashamed of your profession? I, myself, was a dentist, I was proud to be a dentist. I did not hide the fact that i was a dentist." Doc, being Doc.... making a statement without disrespect, the good ol days...
Better than Tombstone. And I love Tombstone. But Wyatt Earp captures more of the life's harsh realities of those times. The Lawlessness, the desperation of making a living, diseases that plagued many families. Life's harsh realities in those days. Tombstone is about the Man himself. Wyatt Earp about The man and his environment in those times.
I thought Dennis Quaid did a great job portraying as Doc Holliday n doesn't get enough credit......but it's pretty hard to outdo Val Kilmer's performance as Doc in Tombstone
Impossible even. The timing for this could not have been worse. Except for the vastly inferior casting, acting, directing, screenplay and box office receipts and the totally forgettable characters and performances this was every bit as good a movie as Tombstone.
I disagree. Quaid’s version to me was more realistic to what the real man was. Val’s version seemed exaggerated and not like an actual man with Tuberculosis. Dennis at least shed tons of weight and looked more skeletal than the make up worn on Val. Both are great versions, but to me you people seem to favor the less dramatic and more action of the two versions than the one version that actually put together a strong characterization of these characters that were actually real men, they weren’t going around getting into gunfights and killing people left and right like in Tombstone. This version depicts a better idea of the events that unfolded and gunfights were not flashy.
Val Kilmer is Val Kilmer. True, he did a good portrayal of Holiday as Hollywood wanted him portrayed, but so did Quad. It wasn't a competition, so each movie should stand on it's own ground.
I like how Tombstone is advertised on this clip lol On another note they could have brought Christian Slater to play Arkansas Dave. Would have made for a good Young guns crossover.
This scene is so utterly sublime and speaks volumes. This is exactly why Wyatt Earp is a vastly superior film to Tombstone. Val Kilmer's pudgy face covered in makeup is pathetic compared to Dennis Quaid's masterful portrayal of an extremely dangerous man who is slowly dying before our eyes.
What I find most interesting with Doc Holiday and William H Bonney aka Billy the kid both lost they're mothers around the same age 14-15 years old both died of consumption I'm talking about the mothers. Young guns and tombstone were my favorite western movies as a kid.
I don’t think you can compare the two roles, as both movies are vastly different interpretations. Tombstone is probably the last great classic Western. Full of style, charisma, romanticism, and black and white as far as food vs evil. Wyatt Earp is the newer Western style. It’s gritty, stark, and the lines of morality and characters live in the gray. Any comparison should be between how well the actors fit into their movies. You can’t put Quaid’s Holliday in Tombstone, or Kilmer’s version in Costner’s Wyatt Earp. Both actors fit the tone and style of their respective movies perfectly.
Damn, I'm not saying Val's performance was bad, it was epic, but this is as authentic as it gets imo, the man looks like he is actually dying throughout the whole movie
Loads of people have played doc holiday. But to portray the man correctly you have to take into account true facts. His real name was John Halliday not Holiday. He was born in 1848 & died in 1880, so he was only 32 when he died. If you watch earlier western films you can see the real John Halliday is portrayed correctly & there is even a replica of his actual head stone in the film at the end. Dennis quaid & Val kilmer are both great actors like most actors. So both are going to do a good job at portraying a person & making the person look great, it all comes down to , do you want the true story or the enhanced version of stories.
Quaid starved himself for this role to look at emaciated as Doc would have. He admitted later that it ended up giving him an eating disorder and he had trouble gaining weight because he kept seeing himself as fat when he looked in the mirror even when he was dangerously thin. ): People like Kilmer because Tombstone is the more famous film and the one a lot of people grew up on as kids, but i really like Quaid's performance here and i think he steals the show. It's also funny to see him and Costner opposite each other as the two actors who have been in the most sports movies (Quaid actually leads Costner although most people think Costner has been in the most).
With all the Tombstone comparisons. People don’t realize that this movie only got made because Costner left “Tombstone”. He was supposed to originally play Wyatt Earp. He didn’t agree with the director and left the project and made his own Wyatt Earp movie.
Controversial opinion: he's better than Kilmer. He's a cynical survivor, but even when he's a gentleman he's almost barbaric in his style. Doesn't seem to relish in violence, but is intent on facing it. And oh, is he flawed. Quaid is FANTASTIC in this role.
The difference is I actually believed Val Kilmer was dying of tuberculosis in tombstone and had nothing to lose but I don't get that same feeling when I watch Dennis Quaid's portrayal of Doc Holiday. Like his coughing seems forced. And let's just face it Val Kilmer was way more charismatic in the role.
"I disapprove of his very existence, I considered ending it on several occasions, but..... self control got the better of me."
A great line I have memorized
Do you know who Dave rudabaugh was ?
😆 🤣 😂 yes
Love that quote
@@light2230 he was a somewhat shady chap an associate of Billy the kid , Christian Slater played him in Young guns he ended up with his head cut off in Mexico
Doc was just so fucking cool that both Val and Dennis did stellar jobs. They did it two different ways and still were able to show us the personality and quirks of the true Doc.😊
I totally agree. Val played the joking wise cracking Doc whereas Dennis played the hard drinking mean Doc both of which were correct. A great example is when Doc and Kate get into the fight in the hotel room and Wyatt has to break it up. I like both equally.
Val Kilmer is to Dennis Quaid,
What Tom Cruise is to Kevin Costner.
Quaid gets my vote for the better portrayal.
For me it has to be Kirk, but Dennis was indeed great.
@@georgemorenstein yes i have to respect and admire Quaid's method. He lost all that weight for that role...i hardly recognized him. Method acting at its finest!
@@boazbuchandler9845 - Are you referring to Kirk Douglas, who starred alongside Burt Lancaster in The Gunfight At The O.K Coral?
Kirk was a good actor, and his having blonde hair was true to the real Doc, as Wyatt described Doc as having blonde hair, but he was way too robust to look like a man wasting away from Turburculosis.
Possibly Dennis Quaid's finest performance. He had the misfortune of playing Doc Holiday at the same time as Val Kilmer, and all the movie critics compared them.
It didn't help at all that Kilmer was leagues better.
@@vangroover1903 The script was better. I think Kilmer would have been no better with this script.
@@scottbernard8824 In that role? I disagree. He held the screen every time he was on it. Whatever other dross he has pushed out, it was a bravura performance.
I would agree DQ's portrayal might well have been more realistic, but I want movie, not real.
Damn good performance! I'll tell you true when I saw the film I didn't recognize Quaid.
Kilmer is good, but this is my fav
John 'Doc' Holliday met with the Earp family in Nebraska on his way to California. They were like brothers ever since. Wyatt always referred to him as brother John. He loved him.
Until their big falling out
@@stanfordwillis4841 Which was pretty hilarious ngl
@@stanfordwillis4841their falling out ? Didn’t doc just die
@@zforbes839 Yes, he died on November 8th, 1887. He had gone to a hotel in Glenwood, Colorado after the whole OK Corral/Vendetta Ride and Wyatt didn't find out about his death until 3 years AFTER he died.
@@zforbes839 No they argued and split when Doc made an innapropriate comment about his friend's girl
The part at 1:48 where Doc knocks over the bottle and Wyatt nabs it without batting an eye is significant. It’s at that point Doc realizes Wyatt is as cold a killer with nerves of steel as anyone he’s ever met. Doc likes and respects him instantly. Great movie!
~ But ~ Wait ~ There's ~ More ~ The bottle is a bottle of spirit(s), literally and figuratively. The symbolism of the action with the bottle is: "If my spirit comes to you, and falls down, will you pick it up, and return it to me? Or will you take the opportunity to mock me - especially after I have already greeted you with defiant, needling statements - and look upon me as weak and pitiful?" After Wyatt - carefully, deliberately - returns the bottle to Doc, Doc's next words are those with which he asks if Wyatt believes in friendship.
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@@hortenseweinblatt1508 what a great interpretation of this scene! Spot on and we'll done.
Nothing less than a magical movie scene.
Nah this movie was just a rip off of tombstone lol, he saw Val Kilmers version and tried to copy it
In case someone hasn't picked it up, Dave Rudabaugh who Wyatt asks Doc about was one of Billy The Kid's gang and he is portrayed in the movie Young Guns.
Young Guns 2
IMDb Trivia: While in real life Wyatt Earp did not directly arrest Dave Rudabaugh following his talk with Doc Holiday as depicted in the film, the outlaw would continue to have run-ins with the lawman for the next five years. Earp telegraphed the information he got from Holiday to William Barclay 'Bat' Masterson, who did arrest Rudabaugh in Kansas in 1878. Following this and other encounters with Earp in Dodge City, Rudabaugh fled to New Mexico where he joined up with Billy the Kid in a new gang. Following a shootout at Stinking Springs on 12/23/1880. He was taken prisoner along with Billy The Kid and sent to prison for trial in Santa Fe. In February 1881 he was sentenced to hang for his crimes but escaped custody and fled to Arizona. There he joined the Clanton faction in their battles against Earp and his family. He may have taken part in the shootings of Virgil and Morgan Earp, as well as the subsequent clash at Iron Springs where Curly Bill Brocius was killed. Rudabaugh came to a bad end when he was killed and decapitated in Mexico on 2/18/1886.
I'm not sure if I've seen Young Guns a million times or 2 million?
It ain't your gang, Dave.
I was sick a lot as a kid, and the sound of that cough at 2:52 is just so authentically real, its unnerving. I always liked this version of Doc, and if I had a bar of my own at that time, I would have let him sit there all day just to hear him talk, and expound upon whatever was bothering him.
Doc Holliday was an incredible man but was a victim of the time period he lived in. At that time there was no cure for tuberculosis and he died at just 36, in a very gruesome and slow way. It's too bad the disease he had was incurable. He'd have been able to live much longer, I'm sure.
But yes, I would give anything to travel back in time and sit at a table with him and just talk. Maybe play a few games of poker with him. Doc Holliday was a very interesting man, I'm sure. And quite an amazing fellow to talk to.
@ᴄʀᴇsᴛᴇᴅ sᴀɢᴜᴀʀᴏ At least he could purchase opiates and cocaine at the general store back then to help him deal with his affliction. In movies they always show him drinking, but I assume he was intelligent enough to use nature's pain medicine to cope with the pain from TB. There's only so much that alcohol can numb.
@@doxholiday1372 From accounts given from Big Nose Kate, Bat Masterson and Wyatt, Doc took only laudanum (morphine and alcohol) in his later years when he was in Colorado, and was on his way down. In Tombstone, he drank mostly to stay stable enough, and coherent enough to play cards, handle his guns, ride his horse, and generally just to stay ambulatory enough to get by. It was when the Stage II TB set in, that Doc started taking laudanum in earnest, and it was not long after this that he died.
Poor Dennis Quaid. He went all super method and starved himself, jeopardizing his health to look skeletal & near death to turn in a tightly calibrated performance worthy of a Supporting Actor nomination that never came.
Val Kilmer just used pale makeup and did a brilliant spin on a cartoonish Foghorn Leghorn impression and turned in such a definitive Doc Holiday role I doubt we’ll ever see an actor dare touch the tile for decades to come, if ever again.
Reminds me of that Marathon Man quote from Laurence Olivier said to Dustin Hoffman after Dustin told him he’d been up for two days to get into character: “Why don’t you just try acting?”
[ worthy of a Supporting Actor nomination that never came ] But ... "had, for that, Such glamor as can wear sheer triumph out" -- 'John Brown's Body', Stephen Vincent Benét (1928)
Kilmer lost a ton of weight too
@@JasonMontell2501 A ton? By that statement, in comparison, Quaid lost a Mega-Ton. I've not seen or read anything in which Kilmer mentions losing a ton of weight - or any for that matter - to play Doc Holiday.
@@thedarintino if you havnt read anything about his weight loss, change that with a Google seerch
Still doesnt change the fact that kilmers performance outshine this one
I know Val's portrayal is the most beloved but Dennis knocked it out of the park with his as well IMO
I don't know why. Quaid's performance feels much more authentic i.e., I forget in watching Quaid and not the actual Doc Holiday. That's a mark of a good performance and movie for me, when even though I know who the actors are I forget that's who I'm watching while I'm watching them. When I watch tombstone all I see is Val in a mustache.
"...Self-control got the better of me." is a phrase I like to use from time to time...
Dennis Quaid's version of Doc Holliday is massively underrated.
I believe that's because Val Kilmers' version was so good it overshadowed this version
agreed
Yah he acted the hell out of this role
@@brothertone7337in a way, yes, but they were VERY different movies. Dennis Quaid deserves respect.
Though Val Kilmer was the BEST Doc Holliday ever...I always did love Dennis' version as well. Dennis did an amazing Doc and as a huge Val/Doc fanatic, I will never dismiss Dennis Quaid's very realistic performance of this character.
3:22 after just coughing up a lung into his palm:
“Forgive me if I don’t shake hands.”
Yes ... but he's just not Kilmer is he.
lol, touche.
No, he's better!
@@aleksanderhiller7506 Nahh...
He's better
@@think7299 he his
His remarks concerning Dave Rudabaugh are hilarious, especially with that delivery.
In both films Doc is the lead caretaker.
They should do a film only about Doc!
They did... goole it. Unfortunately it's a B Grade movie & it ain't that good!
Wyatt is fearless, Doc nearly hacked up a lung into his hand, then extends that same hand to Wyatt as a gesture of friendship. Not quite sure how I would have handled that one.
Quaid was really fantastic with this performance.
It's not that I dislike this movie, it's just that I really love Tombstone
Tombstone is crap compared to this. Look at Val Kilmer's pudgy face covered in makeup and then this scene here of Dennis Quaid who lost 30lbs to portray a man slowly dying.
I love this scene. sure it’s not tombstone but it’s a marvelous scene.
Nothing less than a magical movie scene.
I love Doc's voice
Dennis Quaid NAILED this role. He was exactly what Doc Holliday was in real life.
and val kilmer's?
Diva!@@TheRonjhet
This is worth its weight in cinematic gold. One of the best scenes in the history of movies.
Love this scene too. It's so good.
I totally agree with you. Absolutely love this scene.
Beats Pacino and DeNiro in Heat all day long.
Awesome.
@@garfunkle5447 if u think this scene is "so good" u obviously never seen tombstone
@@smoothshot8925 This is way better than Tombstone.
Kilmer was good as Doc in Tombstone, but Dennis Quaid make a more believable Doc Holliday here as cold and menacing yet low key, someone to be truly feared.
Perfectly written & acted‼️ Thank you Kevin & Dennis❤️❤️‼️
WOW. Quaid shone. Like seeing a completely different man. I swore it was some cross between Noah Taylor and Hugo Weaving.
Doc Holiday feared he was never going to see Georgia again as I feel I will never set foot in my home state of Massachusetts till I'm a friggin corpse. Such is life
Quaid's performance is quite a bit underrated.
Most hipster bullshit thing people say about everything now a days. The movie is adequately rated, it's not good
@@HunterMagunter the movie was meh, but imo this scene is great
Quaid did well--but he was eclipsed by Kilmer's take on the role in "Tombstone." Different angles with different insights on a fascinating character.
For the longest time I didn't realize it was him. He played the characters so well I couldn't recognize the actor behind the character even though it's clearly Quaid.
It's like these men almost immediately liked each other.
An absolute masterpiece.
My favorite scene in that movie! The Doc Holliday character stole the show in this version of the movie as well.
Great movie which has been underrated.
Just pales in comparison to TOMBSTONE!!
@@dp5707 same story... different movies.
There is a place for both.
@@petermcgill1315 STILL pales!
Both movies are awesome. Made at the same time. Had to duke it out over period costumes.
Still can’t decide my favorite Doc Holiday.
However…Dennis Quaid…looks like death warmed over here….
That is dedication. That is art.
@@dp5707 nope. Tombstone was too Hollywood action. It seemed too cool. Wyett Earp tells more of the harsh realities people face during the time. Diseases, lawlessness, the harsh truth of trying to make a living in those times. Hands down this movie is better.
Real friendship
Best movie scene EVER! Just perfect!
2:08 when one moralistic killer sees he finally has found another truly moralistic killer of the same, almost psychotic cut as he is.
You can FEEL their kinship then. Glorious film.
I actually went to Tombstone, AZ on December 7th, 2021
I went there on November 18th-21st 2021, it was pretty fun, how’d you like it?
@@k41lyn It was brilliant
top ten favorite scene in a western
Stating my unpopular opinion: Dennis Quaid played a better Doc Holliday than Val Kilmer. Way more rough around the edges, tubercular, damaged, and dangerous. The stuff he does with his voice and mannerisms, acting like someone with T.B., is incredible acting.
This exactly.
I loved tombstone so watched this the other night, no idea why it gets the hate! was a fantastic movie, that explores wyatt's whole life instead of just the tombstone chapter. Dennis Quaid played Doc just as good as Kilmer in my opinion, just a different style. Don't know why people hate just because theres more options.
It's a herd thing.
Fun fact: this movie was produced at the same time as Tombstone. Where Wyatt Earp was being played by Kurt Russell and Doc Holliday by Val Kilmer. So there was a bit of a spirited competition going on as to who got the best portrayal.
Actually both movies were great in their own right and should not be compared. Each is slightly different than the other and tells the story from different angles.
Val get's all the attention but this version of Doc is stellar.
I'm a bigger Tombstone fan but Wyatt Earp is underrated.
I don't know why people praise Tombstone. This movie is much deeper, and Dennis Quaid is fantastic.
Sorry gentlemen ladies ladies that was born gentlemen.... But this doc Holliday is the best ....
Kinda got overshadowed by Tombstone but this was a great movie and portrayal as well. Is there a main source for this portrayal of Doc Holliday? It's very similar to Val Kilmer and now everyone plays Doc Holliday that way.. as a deadly, sarcastic well mannered scoundrel.
Most people use Wyatt Earp's own auto biography as the basis for the general demeanor of Doc Holiday. It's called "Wyatt Earp Speaks".
Costner wanted to Overshadowed Tombstone. He could not
@@reycesarcarino4653 Maybe not overshadow, but do his best, he certainly did, great writing and acting, but tombstone is such a classic that it cannot really be surpassed, although a couple of scenes are quite cheesy and some historical liberties were taken, that reputation is well deserved.
Anyway, I still believe it's a nice addition as this meeting wasn't shown in Tombstone and it is satisfying to be able to see it, especially acting like this
By far the second best doc holiday ever . I do t think I need to mention who’s number 1
His brother Randy?
Lol I stand corrected we got a 1 a and b situation here
I bet Wyatt went right to the bar after the conversation, and doused his hand in whisky lol.
Sometimes ppl just click. Its the look. Recognition mabe
"Are you a lawman Wyatt Earp? You are not wearing a badge, are you ashamed of your profession? I, myself, was a dentist, I was proud to be a dentist. I did not hide the fact that i was a dentist."
Doc, being Doc.... making a statement without disrespect, the good ol days...
Dennis quid was awesome in everything he did
Are you blind?😊
I still can't decide who's portrayal I like the most - Quade's or Kilmer's. And I don't wanna; they were both awesome in different ways.
Its The southern aristocrat unbringing for me
That is one handsome table.
Tombstone with Kurt Russell}}}
Well done scene. Quaid was superb
I love this movie.
Quaid lost a lot of weight to get the look closer to the real images of him
Better than Tombstone. And I love Tombstone. But Wyatt Earp captures more of the life's harsh realities of those times. The Lawlessness, the desperation of making a living, diseases that plagued many families. Life's harsh realities in those days. Tombstone is about the Man himself. Wyatt Earp about The man and his environment in those times.
This version is better than tombstone?? That’s a tough one lol
I thought Dennis Quaid did a great job portraying as Doc Holliday n doesn't get enough credit......but it's pretty hard to outdo Val Kilmer's performance as Doc in Tombstone
Impossible even. The timing for this could not have been worse. Except for the vastly inferior casting, acting, directing, screenplay and box office receipts and the totally forgettable characters and performances this was every bit as good a movie as Tombstone.
I disagree. Quaid’s version to me was more realistic to what the real man was. Val’s version seemed exaggerated and not like an actual man with Tuberculosis. Dennis at least shed tons of weight and looked more skeletal than the make up worn on Val. Both are great versions, but to me you people seem to favor the less dramatic and more action of the two versions than the one version that actually put together a strong characterization of these characters that were actually real men, they weren’t going around getting into gunfights and killing people left and right like in Tombstone. This version depicts a better idea of the events that unfolded and gunfights were not flashy.
In all likelihood Kilmer's portrayal of Holiday was probably not true to history. It was hollywoodized.
Val Kilmer is the only doc holiday.
Val Kilmer is Val Kilmer. True, he did a good portrayal of Holiday as Hollywood wanted him portrayed, but so did Quad. It wasn't a competition, so each movie should stand on it's own ground.
"alright......Wyatt."
Love the way he says that lol
Love that line: How's your teeth Wyatt Earp
I think Kilmer gave the more memorable performance. But, quad more accurately looked the part.
Netflix make 1000 episodes of Doc Holiday’s sporting adventures
3:28 The moment when Wyatt contracts tuberculosis
Always preferred this to Tombstone. Not that there is anything wrong with Tombstone. Both great movies.
val kilmer made his version a classic
Me too
Such a great movie.
val wiped the floor with his version
His version is a cartoon cutout compared to the more realistic version of Quaid.
Nah not really
I like how Tombstone is advertised on this clip lol
On another note they could have brought Christian Slater to play Arkansas Dave. Would have made for a good Young guns crossover.
Yes....but He's just not Kurt Russell is he....
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This scene is so utterly sublime and speaks volumes. This is exactly why Wyatt Earp is a vastly superior film to Tombstone. Val Kilmer's pudgy face covered in makeup is pathetic compared to Dennis Quaid's masterful portrayal of an extremely dangerous man who is slowly dying before our eyes.
Dave Ruttibar? Same person Christian Slater played in Young Guns 2?
Even though Tombstone was really amazing
This conversation seems more realistic
Great storytelling.
What I find most interesting with Doc Holiday and William H Bonney aka Billy the kid both lost they're mothers around the same age 14-15 years old both died of consumption I'm talking about the mothers. Young guns and tombstone were my favorite western movies as a kid.
Birth of a brotherhood
My favorite scene of any movie
This was a more gritty Doc. Val was your pretty boy Doc
I don’t think you can compare the two roles, as both movies are vastly different interpretations. Tombstone is probably the last great classic Western. Full of style, charisma, romanticism, and black and white as far as food vs evil. Wyatt Earp is the newer Western style. It’s gritty, stark, and the lines of morality and characters live in the gray. Any comparison should be between how well the actors fit into their movies. You can’t put Quaid’s Holliday in Tombstone, or Kilmer’s version in Costner’s Wyatt Earp. Both actors fit the tone and style of their respective movies perfectly.
Damn, I'm not saying Val's performance was bad, it was epic, but this is as authentic as it gets imo, the man looks like he is actually dying throughout the whole movie
Loads of people have played doc holiday. But to portray the man correctly you have to take into account true facts. His real name was John Halliday not Holiday. He was born in 1848 & died in 1880, so he was only 32 when he died. If you watch earlier western films you can see the real John Halliday is portrayed correctly & there is even a replica of his actual head stone in the film at the end. Dennis quaid & Val kilmer are both great actors like most actors. So both are going to do a good job at portraying a person & making the person look great, it all comes down to , do you want the true story or the enhanced version of stories.
Where’d you get Halliday? He was also born in ‘51 and died in ‘87, making him 36 at death.
Quaid starved himself for this role to look at emaciated as Doc would have. He admitted later that it ended up giving him an eating disorder and he had trouble gaining weight because he kept seeing himself as fat when he looked in the mirror even when he was dangerously thin. ):
People like Kilmer because Tombstone is the more famous film and the one a lot of people grew up on as kids, but i really like Quaid's performance here and i think he steals the show.
It's also funny to see him and Costner opposite each other as the two actors who have been in the most sports movies (Quaid actually leads Costner although most people think Costner has been in the most).
i would have loved to meet doc holiaday
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Everything done slowly and deliberately. It adds gravitas to the scene.
Lmao
He definitely resembles Doc Holliday more than Kilmer
..Both do a damn good job id tou ask me
With all the Tombstone comparisons.
People don’t realize that this movie only got made because Costner left “Tombstone”.
He was supposed to originally play Wyatt Earp. He didn’t agree with the director and left the project and made his own Wyatt Earp movie.
Lmao
The movie CZcams is recommending in the banner below the video is Tombstone 😂
According to history buffs of this place, time & events this version is more close... overall.
Controversial opinion: he's better than Kilmer. He's a cynical survivor, but even when he's a gentleman he's almost barbaric in his style. Doesn't seem to relish in violence, but is intent on facing it. And oh, is he flawed. Quaid is FANTASTIC in this role.
You're just saying it to be different, Kilmer is undoubtedly the best doc Holliday there's a reason tombstone is loved and this movie is not
Not controversial, more like edgy. Kilmer will always be the best Doc Holiday even though Denis Quaid was good on his own right.
*Thats agen smith*
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Omg I KNEW the first comment I read would be about Val lol
I'm just here to perpetuate the debate as to whether Doc knocking the bottle over was an accident or a test. Proceed.
So, you're testing us?
The difference is I actually believed Val Kilmer was dying of tuberculosis in tombstone and had nothing to lose but I don't get that same feeling when I watch Dennis Quaid's portrayal of Doc Holiday. Like his coughing seems forced. And let's just face it Val Kilmer was way more charismatic in the role.
" I'm a sporting man...not a killer "
Val Kilmer was better
John had know idea what he was doing.
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