She-Hulk - Finale & Season 1 Spoiler Review
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- Season one of She-Hulk just wrapped up and I have my spoiler-filled thoughts on the finale and the season overall!
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Having watched the channel long enough I've managed to calibrate myself to what Dan says and it usually works out. Not that I always agree with him but strangely enough I can now tell if I'll like a movie no matter what he says about it because Dan is always good about being direct about his personal preferences. It's why I keep coming back after other channels fall by the wayside.
That's what a good critic actually should do. Not have the same opinion as you but inform you about what a movie/show (or whatever) is like so you can make a decision if you want to spend your limited time and money on something.
I too don't always agree with Dan but I absolutely appreciate his professional criticism.
I’m probably in the same boat as you. My favorite episodes were when Jen learned and grew as a character. Felt like the writers room pulled the rug out and made it about Writers Room Vs. internet instead of Jen Vs. her obstacles. I actually cared about Jen finishing her arc, and I didn’t get that.
The writers were alway in dialogue with the audience. They just uped the stakes for the final. As a forth wall breaking show perfect.
I loved it but of course not everyone will.
I would have liked to see them do more with the rest of the episode after the K.E.V.I.N scene, and do more to fulfill the change of approach that Jen inspired. I suspect they may be thinking about that more as a promise for season 2, rather than a promise for the rest of this episode or season... but still, it would have been nice to see more in the rest of this episode to give us confidence that they actually understand the promise they've made here, and that they actually do intend to follow through on it. As it is, it feels like it MAY have been a hollow gimmick that they'll quickly forget about, but... hopefully not. If it DOES actually signal a shift in the MCU towards more story/character-based emotional climaxes rather than just spectacle-based action climaxes, that'd make this a really significant sequence for the MCU overall. But yeah, if they don't really follow through on it, then it'll just seem like hollow lampshading.
But like we have to know the show was written and shot before we even saw it. It's like they wrote about what they thought we were going to say before we even saw of it.
@@codyeasonBGR aside from reshoots, I think they just sort of predicted the stupid internet controversies and in stead of ignoring them and telling a good story (like, for example, Ms. Marvel) or maybe joking about them a little along the way, they binned the storylines I actually cared about to go meta. Why did I watch 8 episodes of Jen’s story only for them to Chuck it?
Like its just insane that they did that, like Sean Chandler said they had to plan out this entire storyline for 3 months in order to get it to film... this isn't a joke its actually the story they wanted to tell along. Its so weird.
"I like funny Marvel jokes as much as anybody, but I like good stories even more"
Based.
Sorry you have to make a disclaimer -I think you’re always fair and NEVER hateful. Edit: I like the dynamic between Jen and Matt too!
Think it's really silly when people accuse reviewers of hate speech or sexism just because they have a different opinion. Really shows how many people just watch reviews to have their own opinions agreed with rather than actually find out what someone else thinks.
If you don't know the reviewer you can always twist what they say .
Agreed. Dan is one of the most fair reviewers on CZcams. The respect he always shows to the creators regardless of the final product is what I appreciate about him.
I think he is a good reviewer, he usually seems fair.
@@kityhawk2000 That's literally how social media works. That's why the thumbs up and thumbs down buttons exist.
I am so glad that I'm not the only one feeling this way. I mean I like the show for the most part and I was really excited about how the finale will be but then it turns out to lead me to feel like the story is getting somewhere, it goes crazy, and the the whole thing just skips the rest of the important info and go to the happy ending
We all know now that Marvel asks too much of their visual effects artists. I did not think making fun of them was in good taste. Also, putting movie-quality Smart Hulk next to TV-quality Skaar painfully highlighted the difference between the two 😬
Considering how most places I look online the arguments about shows such as She-Hulk devolve into personal attacks I fully appreciate both the disclaimer and your ability to still provide a very well balanced review containing good constructive criticism but also highlighting parts that stood out.
absolutely dan is a rare breed(sadly).
This finale was completely BONKERS, I am not even sure it was a finale
Feels like the show was written by people who spend all their time on Twitter
This statement takes the 👑
Same goes for the "everyone who doesn't like the show is called a misogynist" sentiment. Since I'm on every platform except Twitter and haven't seen even one comment like that. People need to stop taking 3 people on twitters opinion and shouting "this is how everyone in the world thinks and acts"
The finale was fun as a standalone episode, but it made the show worse. Josh as you mentioned went no where, but also Titanias plot was terrible. She ended up meaning nothing to the show.
Yup
You could take Titania out of the series and nothing would have changed. The also never explained why she was at the courthouse in episode 1
@@AshamtlyLopez Traffic violations is stated in the next episode. The absolute glaring inconsistencie is Titania committing 12 counts of Atempted Murder (the freaking Jury), Assualt on a Peace Officer, Vandalism of a Court House, and Resisting arrest, but gets to walk free with seemingly NO CONSEQUENCES! Bu as soon as Jen hits a TV she's banned from ever using her powers again? A Legal show has to actually care about the vagaries of Law to work and She Hulk just doesn't.
I was really looking forward to the legal stuff, because the legal ramifications of super powers is super cool, and they just flubbed every case except Emile's.
Great review, Dan. Very well put and echoes my own thoughts.
Great review Dan. Always appreciate your viewpoint on things no matter which way you go with them because you voice them in a respectful and educated way.
What physically happened in the real world of the show though? Why was the Abomination even arrested when he never changed into the Abomination in the end?
Why was Jen arrested!? She broke that media wall. At best that’s property damage, and maybe menacing. Surely not enough to get locked up in super hero jail 🤦♀️. It’s not like she went on a rampage in Harlem……😉
@@damongirls9528 no why was The Abomination arrested as in the new ending he never transformed
@Shane yes, I agree with you. I’m just asking why Jen, too, was arrested? She didn’t even hurt anyone! So much in this finale made NO sense 🙄
@@damongirls9528 the fact she had no control and Hulked out made her a liability.
@@damongirls9528 Agreed. And then after the 4th wall break she’s out of jail/walking up the steps to her job again like nothing ever happened.
This show is so disappointing because I really want to like it, but it kept missing the landing as the series progressed. There’s great moments sprinkled in, but the majority of the episodes felt like filler and a lot of the humor fell flat.
Dan, I've been a big fan for many years and one of those reasons is because you're always level-headed, honest and rational in your reviews, even when you dislike something. I loved this season but I also know that everything you say is true and can clearly see how the vision you laid out would make a season 2 a cohesive storyline. Hopefully they get a chance to give it another shot
Do you want to talk about Better Call Saul instead? Now THAT’S a much better lawyer show than She-Hulk!
He did a video on Better Call Saul already
He did a video on better call Saul already
Instead ?
@@andrewfeistner3384 moooooore
@@Carloszavalalol he already did a video on better call saul
I totally agree, Andor, She-Hulk, Obi-Wan, etc. might be better presented as several feature length tv movies; like the network produced "movie of the week" from the old days of TV broadcasting. Werewolf By Night could probably be a proof of concept for this. To potentially solve pace and/or tone issues there would be individual shorter features with a cohesive independent theme that belong to a larger anthology title like She-Hulk or Andor, yet still ultimately contribute to a larger story arc. Currently it seems like D+ is taking movie concepts and stretching them into episodic TV shows; some of the pacing, and sometimes tone, is lost in the translation.
All the “conflicts” were resolved so quickly and in an unsatisfying manner, and afterwards felt like a media blue balls
The finale was surprisingly creative and fun but, as you talked about, it also felt like a cheap sidestepping of any story.
I honestly can't remember the last movie or series that had me swinging so drastically between like and dislike from moment to moment.
Very fair and honest review Dan. Keep up the good work!
It was refreshing that the main character agreed with me that all those story lines made no sense at all 😂😅
Ikr..I actually was invested in jen's personal story and wanted her to overcome her obstacles...that part couldve been done better
Balanced and fair feedback. If they renew it I’d give it a second chance.
damn, you are a glutoon of punishment. lol That would be pure torture for me to watch this again with these writers.
Damn you must be a masochist. It was a pure torture except for daredevil
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 and yet Dan says it's the people who don't like the show that are bombarded with ridiculousness because of their opinions LOL
When any and all criticism is vilified, literally critics are the villain of the show, it leads to these self righteous and self centered stories and characters that are so far removed from reality that no one can relate. How is this a hero show? Did Jen save/help anyone besides herself? Marvel has truly lost its way
Dan hits it on the nail. I really enjoyed the fourth wall breaking through the season but the finale had the laziest use of it. Sure the meta commentary is very clever but you can't use meta commentary to completely whisk away the conflict and tension that you spent weeks building up without a satisfying payoff. That's like Deadpool going "meh, none of this is real what's the point" half way through the film and then cut to credits.
i think the end was dissapointing, every conflict was magically resolved and we dont really know how? just because she said so to kevin? no we didnt need the randomly thrown in big brawl but like what even happened
Yeah, she was talking to Kevin about changing the ending and doing something different....but then they just skipped to the resolution and didn't actually show a "different" ending confrontation.
The end was weird, even by She-Hulk comic standards I feel. Though it was very much a She-Hulk thing. The series as a whole didn't really do it for me. I liked the cameos (loved Daredevil, though given we have a long, rich history with him it was to be expected) but liked the moments we dive into Jen's personality and emotional standing much more.
The humour wasn't really my speed, but thats okay comedy is subjective. I DO love how they've changed Abomination, he's fantastic as the reformed monster. Though I don't know if the show did enough for me personally to get a second season.
I guess Harvey Birdman spoiled me for great lawyer comedy. That's still the benchmark.
I'm actually really mad about the ending. The fourth wall breaks were fun and all, but I feel like this did a huge disservice to people who have experienced revenge porn or doxxing. I was already kind of upset that there was no trigger warning for episode 8. It felt almost exploitative because it is not the type of plot line you'd expect in a marvel show, so you aren't prepared for it at all. It was like they did it just for the impact and not to actually deal with such a sensitive topic. I'd already been worried they left it too late to be dealt with properly in the final episode, but I guess expecting them to even deal with it at all was generous of me. They literally just used SA, which was the most shocking thing they could think of, as a plot device to get Jen in jail for absolutely no reason because they undid it all within a few minutes anyway.
so the villain of the show are the "haters" and the "trolls"..... i see when movies and shows do "aaah, we know what you're gona say, so we are aware and immune to criticism", this doesnt work, this just results in being patronizing and uninteresting
I found the show got better for me around episode 4 and continued to improve. Overall I enjoyed it quite a bit. I think all of the Disney plus shows are pretty flawed but I think I actually like this one more than most, might be a bit of bias cause of Matt Murdoch too though.
It was the worst finale I’ve ever seen. Subjectivity really has nothing to do with the fact that the artistic choices made we’re just atrocious.
She hulk was the worst show I have ever watched. It sucked from start to finish. The 4th wall breaks where not needed, leave it to Deadpool. It was just a train wreck all around
@@solarmaru49 cringe.
@@lmtrc7830 You don't watch many shows, i guess. I can't think of a more inoffensive, whatever type of show to be this angry about.
@@storyofm6820I have watch a lot of shows and I’m not big fan of this show, not the character. I didn’t mind the characters it was just the way it was written. How can someone in the MCU know there in the MCU, like wtf is even that.
Yes, JOSH?!?!?!?!?!?! My only note is that they blew off the layered, multi perp sex crime. That is so messed up. Some have survived coercion, manipulation, and the crime of revenge porn - and this was such a disservice.
The matrix 4 proved "meta" is not necessarily good. This finale sounded awful, I'm glad I didn't watch this series
I thought just about everything with Tatiana Maslany was great. Everything else was a hot mess, and that last episode was the biggest "I don't know what to say" I have seen in television in quite some time - but I loved it for leaning all the way in to what it was.
I agree. For me, the issue was most notable when they didn't explain how Jen got out of her legal issues, which weren't directly tied to the actions of Intelligencia. She walks away from some very serious problems, including doing the exact thing that Tim Roth does in changing into her other form, and has no consequences. I wanted her to get out of trouble, but not by hand waving everything away in the last few minutes...
I felt like the finale was honest+trailering itself
Uneven is the perfect description of this season. I'm hoping it find is legs by next season, bc it does have potential.
If it gets a second season they need better writers
I will reserve judgment on "Andor" as a whole although through six episodes I have loved it. But I do agree that this season of "She Hulk" was uneven, and that two or three episodes probably could have been zipped.
People excuse the fourth wall break neglecting the story by “it’s what she does in the comic idiot, they’re being faithful,” and if that’s true then I don’t want to read the comics. You can’t just drop the entire show to do a skit where the writers themselves point out every problem in the show and MCU for the lols, that doesn’t make it clever it just highlights the problems even more
Totally agree with Dan on every aspect. He's one of the very few reviewers I tend to agree with.
This She-Hulk series reminds me of all the essay's I used to write in school and how I never knew how to end them, so I'd just write (PLOT TWIST) ".....and then I woke up." I was 7-10 years old when I did this, not grown adults who get paid handsomely to write for a juggernaut Hollywood movie studio.
I’m not angry.
I’m just sad. The thing that pulled me from a heavy suicidal phase years ago (GOTG1 trailer gave me something cling to and wait) is now filled with writers and directors who actively antagonize and belittle their audience.
MCU no longer feels like art or story; it’s just a production line pumping out low effort/low quality products.
The ability of the show to "predict" the trolls was an interesting point and certainly worthy of being a component of the story. After Captain Marvel, I wouldn't say that you needed a crystal ball to call that one. I had no problem with the lighter, more fun tone of the series. I agree that story and character is priority and they shouldn't be sacrificed for gags.
I laughed out loud when Jen asked when we were getting the X-Men. Was definitely an interesting take on a season finale but I liked that it purposefully wasn't the big meaningless CGI battle of people with similar powers. I also totally respect that Dan and others didn't much care for it. I think She-Hulk, more than any other Marvel show, was made for a very different audience than the usual Marvel crowd. I appreciate that they're branching out and I think it's totally fine for people to respectfully(!) decide that it's not a show for them.
She hulk to me is the perfection of failed potential. It should have been way more focused on her being a lawyer snd a superhero which really didn't come to play until episode 8. The fourth wall break was inconsistent. I give she hulk a 4 out of 10. The villains never felt like a real threat to she hulk. Tatiana was completely waisted. It does make you wonder what was the point of she hulk as a show except to introduce hulk son which is another case of mcu introducing a character at the end of the season or movie
It's pretty obvious that the series creators didn't care about the over all plot or behind the scenes villainous machinations. They really just wanted to have fun poking at super hero story tropes while also sending up 90's lawyer shows.
That was both frustrating and fun. I liked the final 2 episodes best, but I also really want to see Jen Walters/she still played straight when she shows up next
They knew going in that the were deliberately writing a bad show/ending and to get over that fact they just point it out and lazily re-write the ending. Absolutely pathetic. They didnt know how to write the ending and it invalidates their own show and maybe MCU.
This show was like a song without a melody, just random notes stitched together.
You’re a fair reviewer and I respect your opinion a lot and I do fully agree more that all of us as fans are on this rock together
This show just wasn’t it from start to finish for me, the writing just bad and got worse and worse and worse, She-Hulk being a lawyer comedy show to me failed.
This final episode was a nail on the coffin……just making me more and more less of a MCU fan, but somewhere out there it’s making someone’s day happy, atleast their is some good in that.
Seemed like there was going to be a clear tone initially set up with having Jen tackle a different court case each week defending low level, oddball heroes and villains ala Dan Slott's run in the comics. They could have held to this theme while also throwing in the fourth wall breaks and digs at toxic internet trolls. That could have built to a very satisfying finale where Jen learns to embrace her She-Hulk persona both in and out of the courtroom while also feeling comfortable as "Just Jen" Walters. It could have been cool to see all those corny, C-list characters come together in the finale as her supporting cast. Intelligencia seemed random for such a major role in the finale. There was definitely some cool stuff throughout but it's too bad we didn't get this smaller, Dan Slott-themed tone for Season 1 because, now that she's in the MCU, future seasons will probably be more and more about her interacting with the Avengers and other A-listers in bigger storylines.
I haven't watched the show, and this is the first I'm hearing of the ending, but from what Dan says and shows here, it seems like it borrows a lot from the ending of Grant Morrison's Animal Man. But in that comic, it's not done as comedy, and it resolves the story in a way that's not flippant. It's unique and hard to explain. I strongly recommend reading it. 👍
I could have used maybe 5-10 more minutes in this episode. If after all the meta stuff they returned to "convention" scene and had Jen resolve the conflict in that moment, I think it would have been much more satisfying. Jumping to the arrests afterwards made it feel like a piece of the puzzle was missing. Overall, though, I liked the season quite a bit.
Also the Kevin part where he talks about the She-Hulk effects being too expensive so instead they focus on Kevin, which was a digital effect himself~
as a fan of the show I am totally fine with your criticisms
its the wave of annoying trolls who decided they hated it without watching it who clearly have an agenda that are annoying.
There's a lot of thoughtful and well-constructed criticisms about the show. It has several legitimate problems. That being said, the Internet is going to flame anything that's meme-worthy. The "Thunderclappin Cheeks" video is still the funniest She Hulk CZcams video while the actual show was mediocre as both a sitcom and a superhero show.
I liked this review you did. It was fair and it stuck to the judgment of the show and not what you wanted or expected. That is something that many people who do these reviews tend to do way too much.
yeah, I like Dan's rational and clear approach to reviews.
I understand your frustration with the show, I also had some reservations in the beginning of the show.
However the more I watched the more I realized what they are going for the show and was able to appreciate it for what it is and for the greater MCU in general.
This show I believe is first and foremost a comedy. So I believe that the people at Marvel wanted to focus on that above all else. So if the story has to suffer some for the sake of comedy I'm willing to change my perception of that and enjoy the show. At least in a comedy show it makes sense to focus more on the jokes and not so much on the over arching storyline because how often does a sitcom payoff a setup earlier in the season.
If it was a greater show I believe it could have been able to wrap up storyline and character plots, but for what I viewed as a sitcom I was pretty happy for the season finale we got because I believe this is exactly how the character She-Hulk would resolve an issue like this.
I think Josh is in the end credits where Todd is in the courtroom and can be seen looking very nervous in the background.
This finale is essentially on par with the 90s Spider-Man cartoon where in the last episode he meets Stan Lee in the real world
Even though I liked Matt & Jenn's chemistry. Anyone else feel like it's a huge mistake on Marvel's part to combine one of it's most grittyist storylines with it's biggest gag storyline?
Nice and fair review! I was also thinking about the whole Josh storyline. He was at her friend's wedding, so it seems like she could have tracked him down. I liked the show overall, it needed some help in the ways you mentioned, but it was fun.
I'm glad you had more constructive criticism rather than a toxic, hateful rant like some other channels released.
This review sums up exactly how I feel about the show.
First video of yours I have watched; very refreshing to hear *reasonable* criticism, free of vitriol. I didn't agree with all of it, but I can respect it. I thought the season was a lot of fun, and I agree the chemistry between Jen and Matt was great and far beyond anything I ever expected. Some of your points were valid, even if in the end I was willing to just give the show a pass because I enjoyed the craziness so much. And I didn't notice until the almost the very end of the video that you were wearing a Florida State cap! Go Noles!
i really like the character of She-hulk and was looking fwd to this and was really let down, there was really no character growth, chaotic plot"s" that dont go anywhere, jokes that just felt flat. reason why most people like daredevil in it is because we invested in him as they did the work with him he has character growth and depth, with jen we got very little. some of the acting was great and some was horrendous but the writing honestly i thought was all bad. its almost like the writers knew who they wanted the villain's to be trolls in the show so they purposely made the show mediocre at best so that there would be more trolls to make the villans more "meta" . hulks son reveal should of been a huge thing and its played off as a gag. the characters they got for jen her assistance and the guy were great actors just the writing was so bad which sucks cause this could of been a great show.
Agreed. Marvel is having a quantity vs quality problem with the shows. They are losing focus on what is important, the characters.
Dan, out of all the critics of this show I have watched on CZcams, you are the only one who agrees with me that the retro-intro and the 4th wall break ending were the best parts of this episode. I also agree with most of the points you make about lack of character development, dropping plot points, etc.. But, overall, I think the biggest problem with this show is it's not funny. I mean, I agree about Blazing Saddles -- way back then I felt the ending was a bit of a letdown, but we all forgave them because of the hilarious ride we had had with the movie up to that point. She Hulk tries to be clever and funny, but just fails so much at it. That said, I like the character Jen, her alter ego SH, and I hope it gets a second season -- with much better writing.
Lemme share a quote that encapsulates my thoughts about Disney becoming some real life version of Vought, "A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel tells us the truth about its author. It does much more than that, it tells us the truth about its readers; and, oddly enough, it tells us this all the more the more cynical and immoral be the motive of its manufacture"
The ending is just an "adaptation" or an "homage" if you want to the Portal game.
It had its moments and many of the “critics” they are poking at go to far and have shared inaccurate “leaks” but I am sick of attacking the audience in general, because like it or not those critics represent a lot of the audience.
I’m just waiting for you to talk about the incredible show Andor more. We’re at the halfway point. Lots of incredible stuff there. Fantastic writing.
Indeed. The best thing that Disney has done with Star Wars so far in my opinion. Brilliant writing and production.
I'm sorry, saying "she-hulk is the worst mcu show in phase 4", is i think giving to much credit. She-hulk is THE worst tv show of all time. Can you imagine this show appearing on any network? just because its on streaming, that's why this year, in 2022, history of tv is made, the worst show EVER. On networks, some shows are so damn good, like 7-12 millions views per week, still can get canceled after 1 season. Do you think this show is good anywhere?
You’re the man, Dan! Keep up the great hard work!
Damn, hands-down the most objective vid on she-hulk. You special, myman, new subscriber unlocked.
Also, in a deluge of ppl shouting bollocks about this show all over the internet, it’s really nice to listen to a voice of reason for once, thanks Dan
going "meta" is a tight rope. It can be fun, it can also feel like a cop-out . This felt more like the later.
I like Tatianna as Jen/Shulk she was fantastic as usual(Orphan Black 💓) but I agree with you mostly, the storytelling lacked focus.
I was HAPPY to have a Marvel show with more then 6 eps cuz I think most of them have suffered from just ok n rushed Finales, but they sadly stuffed She-Hulk's 9 eps with alot of fillers.
That is basically what Andor is though. Every 3 episodes is a 2 hour movie. I'm glad they did it this way though because it means I get to savour it a bit more. I'm sure they want to extend how long people talk about the show for so it's a win win. At least for me and Disney+. Although they probably win slightly more than I do.
I thought the ending Jen laid out was a better ending. But show don't tell. Had abomination helped her if she was grabbed or kidnaps while stuck in non-hulk form, and he then went back to prison but was happy to do it in exchange for using his powers for good...that would be a great wrap up.
I'm sure it's been said, but She-Hulk being used as a "function" is kinda the point -- Jen was doing just fine (relatively) before she Hulked up, was hired specifically because of her Hulking up, and fired because she couldn't do so anymore. The point, I think, is that people who work in the industry are...people. You can be rich and attractive and still not quite understand yourself. You can doubt yourself and question the 'superhero' that you appear to be but still do good.
Fantastic, balanced analysis. I honestly don't understand how anyone can misinterpret Dan's criticisms as being the same as those who have a clear bias. I can only assume they judge his opinion based on his expression in the thumbnail and make up their own reasons.
Apart from two episodes I enjoyed this show more than anything else Marvel have released this year, but even throughout I was definitely picking up on issues. They have a clear opportunity to make this season better by addressing its issues in season 2, IF The Mouse lets them. Skaar's reveal really frustrated me, because it was so fleeting and unnecessary that they could've left it out entirely, rather than conform to the "need" to set up the next thing.
And absolutely, Marvel Studios can't call themselves out and pretend like they're in on the joke of Marvel tropes and do nothing about it. (Although I loved how K.E.V.I.N.'s lens had a sun shield that looked like a baseball cap.)
Overall, it was enjoyable but not good enough. Disney+ subscription cancelled.
Andor shrunk from 5 seasons to 2, and while I’m sure it can be further condensed, I’m loving the build up.
Great comparison to the end of Blazing Saddles. Exactly.
That ending was terrible… wtf. They just put all their criticisms on hateful Internet trolls, they undid their whole progress with the abomination, Jenn just went back to normal as though she didn’t just hulk out an episode ago. The previous episode was pretty good though
This is one of the most balanced reviews I've seen so far. I wasn't a big fan of the show either and with the backlash of "If you don't like the show, you're a misogynist" made me want to find the opinions of others. Most other reviewers are far more diametrically opposed, either calling the show garbage and man hating or the best show to grace the platform. You critque it for what it is, and it's appreciated and refreshing🙂
Where is this backlash? I haven't seen a single comment pushing the notion that people who don't like it are misogynistic. I'm all over Facebook and CZcams and the comments I see are "I know people hate it but I like it" "I like some of it but it's not the best overall" and "THIS SHOW HATES MEN AND ISNT EVEN COMEDY AND SHE HULK IS THE WORST THING EVER"
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone with people pushing this narrative that everyone is called misogynistic for not liking it. Unless we are talking about occasional responses to the third type of comment I mention and then....who is surprised by that? And why are the responses to those insane comments becoming the issue and not the insane comments? There's literally someone in the comments complaining about how she hulk dated and slept with people and how horrible that is....thats literally INSANE but we are making up a "your a misogynist" backlash? Weird.
Love the Rodger Ebert pull from his Pearl Harbor review
What even was this series?
@@fluphybunny930 If that was your take away from this show then you are a complete clown who missed the entire point and the show is openly mocking you.
Overall I think this season of She Hulk was very low quality compared to many other tv shows that I watch. They set up multiple villains, but none of them had any impact or any threat, because they all got so little screentime. None of the storylines went anywhere. They finally set up some real stakes in the penultimate episode, only to simply discard it all with a simple "oh everything is fixed now". The finale was basically Marvel saying "we made a bad show on purpose for the lols, but if you dare to critisise, you're a troll". It might not be the worst thing I've ever watched, but its by far the worst thing in the MCU.
Josh got the end credits art treatment. He's sweting behind Jen at the trial.
It's weird Dan... I actually don't think the "storyline" really matters with she hulk. Much like it doesn't really matter with dead pool. I think it's ultimately about how you feel about Jen. Just like it's how you feel about wade. And that guides the project. It's great to get invested in the story, but for both characters we should now know better. coming in that's ok to not have that expectation, but now they have given that to us. I think the writers want that from us. Not that they don't care about the story, but I think when taking on a character like she hulk...understanding her place in the comics and what truly makes her special... this route is much more... rewarding for me. but yeah if that's not your jam and you need a lot of structure, then that's ok. Just from now on don't expect that from Deadpool or She hulk.
I liked the show but really hated this final episode. I don't mind the 4th wall breaking but jumping through the Disney+ menu and discussing with K.E.V.I.N. I found utterly stupid, copping out of actually ending story plots. DD falling out of the sky, superhero pose felt really out of character. I am not so sure about a Disney+ DD show now. If it does go more the Netflix route it feels like two different DD's. Oh, and that shoehorned Hulk reveil in the end? Blegh! It would have worked as a after credits scène, which none of the episodes had.
While watching the parody scene about the old T.V. show Hulk, I came to a realization that the whole show seemed like a kind of episodic story telling we got from old Lou Hulk. They didn't do it very well, but I commend them for trying something. The marvel jokes at the end did almost seem like the creators couldn't figure out a good climax to the whole story and pulled a get out of jail free card from a "break glass in case of emergency" box on the marvel studio wall. Luckily, despite all that, I could turn my brain off long enough through the show to get some laughs and had a good time watching it. 👍
I disagree -- I loved the 9 episodes, and it didn't feel stretched at all. It's a light MCU legal sitcom. As such, it actually had plenty of meat on the bones. I don't know why the nature of this show is so hard to grasp for some people. I had a lot of fun with it, watched it with a guy and we BOTH laughed and enjoyed it. Sign me up for season 2!
I didn’t find the nature of it hard to grasp at all, I just didn’t love a lot of it. As I’ve said, I understand the sitcom nature but the humor didn’t really work for me in most cases.
@@DanMurrellMovies I think it was lost on you, though, maybe in different ways than it was lost on other people who tuned in looking for something different than what the show actually was.
@@DanMurrellMovies but as a light sitcom, it was successful, and the 4th wall breaks were hilarious. If it's not your humor, that's okay.
Just because you love something and others don't, it's not necessarily because it's "lost on them". As Dan explained multiple times (and I think pretty well) throughout the review, you can get what they were going for, and just not enjoy it. People just have different tastes.
I really would've liked the fourth wall breaking more at the end if it didn't come at the expense of the story. It just feels forced like writers had no clue how to tie up all the loose end in the final episode so they did this.
TLDR; I really appreciate Dan's points and point of view, but personally I like longer, less focused TV shows and loved the show.
Long version:
While I don't disagree with Dan's analysis, I have found that my personal taste doesn't fit with his take on She-Hulk. Which isn't surprising :) Everyone is different after all.
I really like the stretched season length of the show. Having episodes and plotlines that don't cleanly or perfectly fit into a nice whole with the other parts of the season works great for me. That's probably not the case for others. It makes me feel some characters have more depth and gives more room for humor and/or drama. For example I loved how Emil filled out in his own way over the whole season and I don't think he would have in a "clean 6 episodes". Give me more, I love it! Having more focus in a movie makes sense to me, but as a child of the 70s-80s and enjoying 20+ episode seasons of TV I love having a cast of characters meander through 3-6 months of a single season to have a show to talk with friends about for longer than 6 weeks.
Thoroughly enjoyed hearing Dan's take and analysis, gave me another angle on the show even though we don't see eye to eye :)
Coming out of Hawkeye & Ms Marvel, i was worried about She Hulk. Marvel its been having this trend to do not so well written stories that felt they were simple stepping stones for the next thing. I was excited to see Tatiana again, loved Orphan Black, and despite not knowing much about She Hulk, i was excited to see what they do with her. Just as Dan said, they stretched the season beyond what the story could hold. just like the back end of the Marvel Netflix shows it felt like 2 different seasons. The passing was awful, i had to wait to binge it in order to be able to enjoy it. Yes i hated the post credit scene with that stallion woman. I kinda loved Wong and her new gf. And, although the finale could have been awesome, it simply wasnt because it was a literal Deus ex Machina. Just, for a second, analice this: Jen tell KEVIN that she was badly surprised by Hulk falling from the sky to help her... and yet, they then have Daredevil do the same thing. Also, the show establishes further the miss use of the Hulk. So far the MCU has been very discriminatory towards the Hulk, but now, Jen is as well. She has her cousin who had a harder path than hers, who knows exactly what he is capable of doing it she looses control and she completely dismisses him. But then, just because she likes Matt she accepts his advice which was the same as Bruce´s! It wasnt a bad first season but it fells like a missed oportunity. and, oh, yeah... the cgi was terrible!
SheHulk is a show that's more concerned about airing grievances and being edgy and meta than establishing characters or setting up story arcs or exploring complex narratives. Case in point - none of the side characters aside from cameos have lives or agency of their own other than to either support or antagonise Jen, they either love Jen unconditionally or hate her with the fire of 1000 suns. Now the writers can say that was meta commentary to reflect modern fandom but stooping down to the level of the people you detract doesn't make you clever, it makes you a hypocrite, kinda like how Jen's constant whining about male privilege and unfairness at work while the fact that she got the dream job over better and more experienced lawyers at the firm simply because she got superpowers completely went over her (and the show's) head.
As a comedy, this show is desperately unfunny, I don't think there's a single moment the fans can remember in a years time they can recount. As a legal drama, this show is un-clever, none of the cases involved more than 2 scenes of courtroom drama. As a character exploration, this show has one dimensional characters that are caricature. As part of the MCU, it relied so heavily on cameos of better, more established characters to prop up its own failing narrative and inject some excitement.
I'm convinced this show was made by people who neither know nor care for SheHulk, but saw her as a convenient vehicle to start a war with "toxic fandom" by deliberately taunting them to elicit a response so the writers can belittle them from the gilded soapbox of a billion dollar franchise, thus becoming the very thing the "toxic" fans accuses them of being.
Wasn't planning on watching the finale tonight but now I feel compelled so that I can watch the Dan vid ASAP 😅
OK, back from watching the finale. Definitely agree on the asset/liability of the 4th wall break moment. I really enjoyed the metaness between Jen and KEVIN and was looking forward to a different ending, but then once the sequence was done the ending just fell flat. It ended up feeling like the writers were stalling to come up with an interesting ending but then stalled too long and didn't formulate anything.
This finale should have been at least an hour long to end the threads properly.
im actually a bit sad it got over. its like light tv that sort of works for me, ended in a weird way, but i did enjoy the ride. its probably better than the all too serious shows that barely go anywhere (i did like wandavision though).
Dan, it would be helpful to some of us if you gave a brief non-spoiler section in these reviews, especially a "it got better" or "it got worse" at the very beginning of these posts. There have been a number of series like this one where I stopped watching at some point either because I was a bit busy or the episodes I had watched had not really grabbed my interest. Sometimes a "it got better" or "there are a couple of really good episodes" is enough to get me to start watching again. Otherwise, I tend to watch full spoiler videos and learn the interesting twists.
Thanks.
ps. Roger Ebert was indeed the main critic I payed attention to for several decades. Over time, I learned how his views compared to my own, so I learned to tell when I might like a movie he reviewed, even though it did not appeal to him. I am now trying to do the same with your reviews. I fully understand that you sometimes need to explain why you do not particularly enjoy a movie based on structure or plot rather than it just having a strong female, minority, LGBTQ, etc, character in it. It is sad that you need to need to do so, but I understand that it is important.
The whole season was a big waist of time. I feel like Disney & the MCU trolled us on this one.
She kinda did get revenge she just chose to go the legal route at the end since she’s a lawyer at heart which can feel anticlimactic
That finale felt like Disney/Marvel pointing fingers at its own show and being like HAHAHA LOOK HOW BAD IT IS! It’s actually on purpose it’s bad on purpose…we swear 🥲 - it was so sad…I felt so sad for Jen Walters since she didn’t get to have an actual resolution to her story…it feels like everything that was built up was for nothing. And it’s not in a fun meta way…it literally feels like they didn’t have enough episodes to deal with everything that they were forced to set up and ended up deleting everything as a fun twist….but it’s not fun. It just feels…like the creators don’t even respect the character of She Hulk.
Agreed 100%
Honestly, the forth wall breaking is problematic for me. It’s like they either didn’t go far enough or should have not bothered. I feel the big reveal in the final episode should have happened in the 8th episode and then the final episode is kind of a revised version. That was its narratively satisfying and you also get the fun reveal. As it is it feels like the writers get out of jail free card for basically having no story. I don’t know I’m very mixed on this show, I’ve always liked She Hulk as a character but I don’t think this does it for me overall. And while I understand the meta context of complaining about internet trolls I don’t feel it translates in the same way in the story as I think the trolls arguments would be different in the MCU world compared to ours. (Also I think Todd should have just died after injecting himself, frankly would have been funnier and make more sense from what Bruce set up at the start of the show)