Amazon's Lord of the Rings - I've Got A Bad Feeling About This
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2021
- The more I hear about Amazon's upcoming Lord of the Rings TV show, the less enthusiastic I feel about it. Join me as I explain why I think this show could be headed for disaster.
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Can we get a retrospective of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies?
@critical drinker, give one piece a try, read/watch all of east blue before deciding on it.
@@nemo-x you've obviously never read the book
Drinker, What's your thoughts on Amazon's attempt to adapt another literary series, The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan?
“I want game of thrones”, is what Bezos said. Then threw money at it.
Amazon attempted a game as well, it flopped massively. Wasn’t even released.
It sounds pretentious but there is no love of the art, it’s a vehicle to get more Prime subscriptions.
Dave Chapelle writes punch lines and keeps them in a jar, builds the joke around it.
There is no punchline for this, only soulless corporate greed.
Not respect for the master of modern fantasy.
The Lord of the Rings has no nudity. The Lord of the Rings needs no nudity.
Except for the bit where the 4 hobbits frolic naked after being rescued by Tom Bombadil.
@@fergalmoore862 Peter Jackson cancelled Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights.
@@fergalmoore862 tolkien was blasted on longbottom leaf when he wrote that
@@fergalmoore862 Tom was by far the most interesting character left out.
@@fergalmoore862 Tom Bombadil is why I never finished reading The Fellowship of the Ring. I cannot stand blatant stupidity and that is exactly every scene with Tom Bombadil in it.
New LotR show:
"Sire, the orcs are at the gates!"
"Well don't be racist... Let them in!"
Lmao
@@chrisjackson1215 It's fine, don't even think about it bro.
@UCUpLR3uqPmlDNN8NP2EXWfg The stats are OBVIOUSLY faked by the fbi to further the racist agenda of the *SYSTEM* 🤪
I'd watch that
But do remember to show them proper hospitality! Offer them food, wine and your empowered wives that absolutely won't be objectified, that's just Orcish culture, you biggots. And you better remember begging for forgiveness for being born male.
“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said the fans. “So do I,” said the drinker, “and so do all who live to see such times.
"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." Like not watching this show if it turned out to be a cringy political mess
But that is not for us to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us, and if we want to spend it watching The Silmarillion
see the bright side: it happened in a time when there are still people who are true to the books
Lord of the Rings is “High Fantasy”. It focuses on virtue, heroism, and other moral principles. Game of Thrones is of the “Low Fantasy” genre and focuses on grit and more human impulses than ideals. Not to say one is a better genre than the other, but to try to adapt one into the other is idiotic at best.
Amen to that! Typical of greedy corporations to drag a beautiful, bright thing through the mud and force feed it to the masses
Well put.
You are absolutely right. Hard Fantasy vs. Low Fantasy... almost everyone understands these categorizations and the difference between them. Almost everyone... the writers of that new upcoming shit-show apparently don't. It's the same difference with "Hard Fiction" and the typical over the board Science-Fiction Flicks (you can say "Low Fiction" to it). "The Expanse" is a show of the former and StarWars a thing of the latter. Sigh... they should have asked Peter Jackson to get on board with a new LotR show... maybe he could have done something good. Maybe something really original could have turned into an interesting show...what about a show of an Orc-Tribe which wants to rise above the others... and good aligned humans getting into the way and fighting this tribe. Not a super idea for sure but it could be original and, if done right, create tension and interesting fight scenes... heroic deeds vs. good and evil. And in the high fantasy genre the good ones always come on top... we all want to see that (in High Fantasy).
Pretty much sums up why I love stuff like LOTR and can't be fucked with stuff like GoT. The problem is things like GoT have become the "cliche" now - stuff like it was an answer to the heros always win stuff previously, but we've had more than 15 years of this gritty bullshit now, it's gotten old. I understand exploring that aspect of human nature, but I'll never understand why people relish and enjoy it. There's a value to looking at it and experiencing it, but so many seem to take pleasure in watching people be complete cunts, there's enough actual misery in the real world.
Dont be mad :) maybe the nomenclature of this literature had changed in recent years but I always knew those terms to be differently explained. High fantasy makes its own world separated from our world - without any portals and magic doors - closed universum without any kind of Anglosaxon sailor who would be sailing to the shores of Tol Eressea to meet the elves and to write down their stories (this early idea was later rejected by Tolkien). Low fantasy is like Harry Potter or Narnia, when you being a wizard can walk our streets and hide in our metro or when you are one of us and can find a door, or portal into another world, like in the forest from "Mythago Wood" by R. Holdstock. Its about two kinds of universum, not about any kind of ethics.
"Evil cannot create. It can only distort that which is good"- Tolkien ( we all know this will be a massive abomination)
I was thinking of commenting the same, I'm glad you did. Let us remember that we too are Men of the West.
Pretty much somes up all of media cash grabbing and ip snatching today.
That will probably sum up this shit show. I'm ready to eat all my words but my gut tells me it'll be a shit show.
Sums up the entirety of Woke Media nowadays - take an existing, famous brand and turn it into a hollow, Woke shell of its former self. When was the last time the WokeLeft created anything of their own with actual value? Stephen Universe? (and that's with a very, very generous definition of "value").
Always loved that line
With Christopher's passing, there is no longer anyone to protect Tolkien's legacy from being butchered
Well Christopher has kids that are still involved.
Winston Smith I think it’s safest to assume that Amazon offered a ludicrous amount of money for them to just give the rights and not interfere. Amazon made over 40 billion dollars this quarter so even a tiny fraction of that would sway most people.
@@winstonsmith8482 I highly doubt they're woke; I think they're like in their sixties. They may just not have that much control over things anymore. Or they may just like easy money better than integrity.
@Raylan Givens Which is the Tolkien Estate today
@@winstonsmith8482 The next generation will curse them for throwing away their legacy for penies.
"If this show follows the current trend, it'll probably paint Sauron as the misunderstood hero." The Critical Drinker foreshadowing Rings of Power. And I still can't believe they did that.
Amazon: (makes woke LOTR for $1 bil)
Original LOTR movies: Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power.
That you Nolan ?
*points like Cap* I understood that reference
Well said,we don't NEED everyone's sexual preference shoved in our face,we need to know if they can FIGHT EVIL!
@@sebastianb.3978 Looks confused like Thor "I don't..."
Not even a fraction , none at all
As much as I love boobs, they just don’t belong in Tolkien’s stuff.
The sex in Game of Thrones didn't feel out of place because of George Martin's world building and how it was used for character development, but Amazon probably just gonna throw it in LOTR for the sake of having it and being "edgy" or whatever. Just because it worked for one fantasy show doesn't mean it needs to be a staple of every show in the genre, because then it just becomes a trope.
Sex sells, this is true. But it just goes to show how much of another level Tolkien is.
@@LoneSilverW0lf gotta agree on that
Idk, "Bored of the Rings" was pretty good.
GoT and LoTR are vastly different. Anyone who has read both book sets will tell you.
"All Sauron wanted was to marry his gay lover."
-- This new show, probably
"One cock ring to rule them all."
SouthPark already did it.
Every Yaoi Morgoth and Sauron Fanfic Ever
Sauron was a bisexual gay activist. Ofcourse he's gonna marry his gay lover. Gay here is a gender neutral term and does not mean only men loving other men but also woman loving other woman.
Now I don't want to sound a sexist but men and woman are equal to transgenders. Not that transgenders are different people.
Now I know why I’ve been hearing that lefties had been going after Tolkien. Hell, even the Tolkien society is in on the BS critical race theory crap.
Lol, Lord of the Rings trilogy isn't just one of the best book-adapted films to have ever been made. It's arguably one of the greatest trilogies/individual movies ever made. Period.
Period.
Its the only series where i have a though time chosing between re-reading the books or watching the movies again because their both masterpieces
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@@EstherHulst-Artist watch Reacher it’s brilliant.
Dwarfs are indians, mind you, irl
"Tolkien's old-fashioned wholesome idealistic view doesn't fit in particularly well to today's weird nihilistic postmodern creative wasteland where nothing is right or wrong, nobody is good or evil, and nothing we do means anything" ... this resume all the problems with what ROP propose.
That's exactly why I loved heroism of Halo and LOTR.
Inspire hope and courage not lose hope..
I hate how much most people who dislike Cruella and Disney's live-action remakes of animated films, seem to ignore and forget the existence of the Descendants trilogy just because they are Disney Channel TV movies. Those had very faithful writers and directors who know that some things _are_ right or wrong. The whole concept of Descendants is that some people can be good or evil, they may not always be as good or as evil as their parents are, and people who start out as villains can learn to become heroes (which also happens in The Bad Guys). I really think The Critical Drinker will enjoy Descendants if he watched it, because it does not change and twist the character of earlier villains like Cruella did. September 13, 2022, 1:00am
Sauron watched his mom get pushed off a cliff by hobbits.
Well if she was dressed like Sauron would you not want to get the torches and pitchforks out?
🤯🤯🤯🤯
Sauron was only trying to give Middle Earth much needed diversity
So THAT's why he wanted a hobbit-skin robe!
@@Ellebeeby everyone knows hobbit hide boots are without equal
The Fan base: "Throw it into the fire!"
Corporations: "No"
The present state of hollywood film making (that is, extremely bad films seem to be the only ones) will only change when the public as a whole votes with their wallets. I believe that Hollywood is so completely devoid of creative energy that they'd finance a multi million dollar film about a clock that gets shit on if they were guaranteed the foreign markets.
Interesting, I thought only the fan base was talking about it, actually nobody gave a sh***.
They just want to ride the GOT wave left by a poor last season
@@user-yt2xv1gs7l Now every studio wants to put their greasy hands on any available fantasy IP. But GOT was a lighting in a bottle, it's success wont be duplicated. But because they think that all people are stupid, we gotta endure the shitty Witcher series that is only being adopted couse the female lead has a lesbian relation in later books. We will have the shitty wheel of time, couse one of the strongest factions in that universe is a female sorcerer group, but they will be even strongerer. We also got a horrible disc world adaptation. And the cherry on the shit cream will be this lotr series... I hope it flops hard!
@@hungarianbeast ok but , I did find the Witcher not that bad. I am biased thought, I loved the games.
@@user-yt2xv1gs7l dude I love The Witcher too, but you got to admit, the show was absolute dogshit in terms of writing and casting.
Judging by how Amazon slaughtered Robert Jordan's Wheel Of Time book series, I expect nothing but a "woke" disaster.
There was an old rule in the movie business: If the story is good then the movie will be good, so you had to find a good story and try to make a movie out of it. Now instead you are supposed to hire a diverse cast (no matter how good or bad, just diverse) and see what story you have to mutilate to make it fit with that cast. And that's how you get that... thing.
It's even more evil and vile. It's obviously about destroying everything straight, white men love and cherish, only ro watch them cry. It's always the same: Take an established, successful franchise and destroy and humiliate their white, male heroes and replace them with women/blacks/gays. There is a long, long lists of ruined franchises by now. Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Masters of the Universe, James Bond, Marvel, etc. Indiana Jones will be next.
"Diversity" is, was and always will be a code for "less white men" and yes, that's as racist as it sounds!
You are unfortunately right.
I’m black and I really don’t want to see them make it “diverse” bc this is European lore.
Same I’m Asian and wouldn’t care at all if everyone in the show was white because that’s how it is in the books. Now if they whitewashed the people in Crazy Rich Asians then I would probably be pissed 😂
Wait until they cgi the black and asian into european. Disney may pull the same move with snow black ( not trying to bodyshame snow white actor of disney. The one to blame here is disney and their hidden agenda)
@@quangthuyoan9576 🤣 wth
I'd be genuinely interested in seeing an adaptation of some stuff from the various African folklores, if it was done well. Too bad the WokeLeft aren't actually interested in doing things like that.
@@CantusTropus Ofc theyre not. That’s why its fake woke. Instead doing our own stories let’s just make their stories but black
Too bad the Tolkien Estate couldn't shut this project down after Christopher's passing. Lord of the Rings doesn't need nudity
Wasn't expecting this many likes. Thank you
Exactly, not every story need to be so fucking dramatic. Lord Of The Rings was serious when it needed to be but it was still light hearted fun at it's core
Lord of the Rings is quite possibly the least sexual story ever told. How/why they wanna shoehorn nudity into something that originally had no romantic leanings whatsoever is beyond me.
Fact
@@TH3F4LC0Nx you lost me at ‘’no romantical leanings’’. We just finna forgot Sam and Rosie, Aragorn and Arwen, Eowyn and Faramir, and Gollum and Frodo?
@@TH3F4LC0Nx it did have romance in it, it just wasn't the focus.
"Yeah, romantic relationships were still a thing"
Proceeds to show Gimli and Legolas.
Good one, that got me cracking up.
One of the best bro-mances in history, challenged only by Fezzik and Inigo.
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made"
~Tolkien
Damn that hits close to home. Good comment
Thats a fake quote by Tolkien by the way...
@@Der_Pringels Its a paraphrase at best, right?
good one dude, its not like weve all seen that fake quote 200 fucking times already
Try this actual Tolkien quote instead: "The failure of poor films is often precisely in exaggeration, and in the intrusion of unwarranted matter owing to not perceiving where the core of the original lies.”
As far as I’m concerned, the extended cut of LOTR is the only cut of LOTR
Ah, a man of culture
Fairer words have never been spoken.
You are correct
My wife and I watch the extended cuts once a year
Yeah but that has the worst scene in any movie ever. When the witch king kicks Gandalf ass is so stupid and wouod never happen thats like the joker cutting off thanos' head
U forgot the biggest reason it will suck: they fired Tolkien expert Tom Shippey from the production. He worked on PJs trilogy and was going to work on this but was given the boot by Amazon, probably after he protested the inclusion of black elves or something
"Black elves" I hope that happens because it will be hilarious how ridiculous they will look lmao
@@AimForMyHead81 since they are incorporating our reality into their show, will Riverdale be a crime ridden shithole?
@@AimForMyHead81I see no problem of humans in TLoTR having every natual color, but elves? They ARE WHITE. THERE IS NO MIX. Dude, they are messing all up for representation, but at what cost?
Nah, they'll have a band of Oriental elves, for that sweet China money.
@@noahmarietta7346 riverdale ? Lol. I got u , Rivendell. Or maybe even Dale.
No matter what happens, we have LOTR Trilogy, and I'll watch this again and again till I'm old to live. It's just sad that no movies up to this day comes close to how good these piece of art is.
Most good movies have already been done. Hollywood has become the producer of garbage.
Am with you bro
I have search but up to date nothing is on the level of LOTR
Hollywood has probably plummeted in quality because they've failed to increase diversity hiring enough. If they fire the ALL straight-cis-white people we'll finally reach the stars... and if we don't, it's because everybody's bigots.
until they decide to reboot it..... i hold no hope whatsoever that at some point they will.... i can only hope that i won´t be around to witness it
The images Amazon recently released look pretty telling. Prepare for disappointment if you even vaguely care about the lore/world Tolkien painstakingly crafted.
Why? It’s a fanfic, it’s completely separated from the source. It will be awful but it’s in no way canon and it’s not hurting anything.
yes it does? it includes “younger versions” of characters from lotr such as galadriel and is supposed to be a show about the history behind middle earth and how elves, dwarfs, men etc came to be. it’s based off of the silmarillion, which tolkien wrote. it’s canon. and it’s gonna be a shitshow. it’s most likely going to be a disgrace to all of tolkien’s works and won’t go off of the actual books. if you watch the trailer, you’ll also notice that they didn’t even follow the descriptions of the different races of middle earth, such as elves always having very long hair, dwarf women having beards, etc. they’re not following the books and it’s not right.
@@JoeMama-tu4rn They didn't got the rights to the Silmarillion.
@Maceta you’re kidding
@@JoeMama-tu4rn Nope. Look it up. Just the appendices.
"Unless you're one of those mad lads who went for the 11-hour version."
Oh, you mean the only version?
👍🇦🇺
I found the mad lad
Bro the theatrical cut made no sense after watching the extended versions.
@@thecrazyslopoke "Wait, you mean there's other, shorter, versions? Who'd want to watch those?"
Only version is the extended plus the obligatory drinking game for any mention of 'hobbits' 'Isengard' 'eye' 'Frodo' 'men' 'race of' 'Mordor' etc...
Nobody wants to see Gandalf the Fabulous pull the One Ring off his “wizard’s staff” and offer it to a woman with a lecture on how “the hearts of men are too easily corrupted,” especially anyone who remembers Galadriel’s speech of how she’d be corrupted.
YES
Gandalf the ghey
Don't forget he'll probably be wearing a rainbow robe during his 'transition'
@@iHaveTheDocuments I actually choked on my food. Well done
Nothing is safe from Soros/Disney and their destruction of western culture with the Rainbow Alphabet Mafia.
Amazon doesn't even have the rights on the Silmarillion... they are working based on the Appendices on LOTR
Amazing and very accurate commentary on the corruption of movies nowadays. I’m so glad there are still people that understand the importance of good stories with good morals that don’t need sex and grittiness to be “good.” I really hope Bezos doesn’t go through with this.
"I also suspect that Tolkien's old-fashioned, wholesome, idealistic view on good versus evil doesn't factor in particularly well to today's weird, nihilistic, post-modern creative wasteland where nothing is right or wrong, nobody is good or evil, and nothing we do means anything." You couldn't have taken the pulse of today's storytelling any better than that.
You’re so right and it hurts so bad to know that
Isn’t good vs evil still a massive thing in story telling? I think it’s just refreshing to have something more nuanced + it’s more true to life. Real life isn’t black and white.
(Ps, what’s wrong with post modernism and nihilism?)
@@connormcmillan6761 how so?
@@klo4880 because it’s bad for you, yes nuances are interesting but humans need to believe in something to feel assured that the life that they are living has meaning. Almost all modern depression and anxiety and aggression comes from a lack of purpose/direction and a underdeveloped sense of belonging in a community with like goals and morals/virtues. Replacing that with nihilism is the antithesis of the human experience and those who claim that “realizing that nothing matters and everything is permitted” is the highest point in natural understanding are actually going against nature, and they will win nothing but the bitter feeling of loneliness and aimlessness. Essentially, they miss the whole point of being a human, which is to believe in something, and to help build up that belief.
@@klo4880 also you’d be surprised to notice that more “bad guys” these days are just that, misunderstood and lost, not evil. When some things are just that. Evil. But it takes courage today to say something like that and stand by it. That there are certain beliefs, cultures, ideas, systems, religions, etc that are less valuable than others. THATS what we mean when we say that “nothing is ever painted as absolutely wrong, it’s all just a matter of perspective”. But that is NOT what Tolkien espoused and I feel much the same way. That does NOT mean that I don’t tolerate those other systems of thought, remember that support and tolerance are two very different things and tolerance is all we can ask of someone, never belief. You change belief by living a life that is fundamentally better and that makes it more attractive to outsiders
Best case scenario: Amazon's show sucks and becomes forgotten and obscure, and the Peter Jackson trilogy remains what everyone remembers.
And cancelled in one season like Jupiters Legacy
likely
alongside the bakshi version ofc
That's the only scenario
I agree. Whatever combo of prequel, Simirillion, and diverse & awful writing appears, the ashes of it will soon blow away after the scorching excoriation it receives from critics, fans, non-fans, and aliens alike.
The the one and only trilogy will shine even brighter, ready to take on the challenges of the 2020s, the 30s, 40s and beyond!
There's seven houses of the dwarves after the seven fathers. Longbeards, Firebeards and Broadbeams (the three lineages we read about in the Silmarillion, Hobbit and Lord of the Rings), but there were also Ironfists, Stonefoots, Stiffbeards and... Blacklocks. Those four houses were off in the far east and south, beyond the West. We know Far Harad men had darker skin. I liked those exotic, distant armies in bronze arriving. It made the world feel naturally diverse like the world was in the middle ages, far-flung peoples with wildly different appearances and cultures. But here we just have a dark-skinned dwarf princess, apparently dropped into the Longbeard line of Durin. Why? If they wanted a dwarf with dark skin just draw them from these distant houses we never saw otherwise. However I doubt they've done that. Now maybe she is from a distant realm and this is a political marriage, but I doubt they had that sort of creativity. After all, they fired their best Tolkien expert and replaced him with a PhD in Kool-Aide.
I agree. A bigger problem is the dwarf female looks feminine and in middle earth all dwarves are imperceptible by gender to outsiders. Not to mention, they were literally made to mine and craft and that is their one goal (the perversion of which being hoarding). If they bring sexuality into dwarves I'm gone.
African and “dark” (or “swarthy” as Tolkien describes the southrons) are two completely different things.
yeah but let's not mention that, so clickbait youtubers like nerdrotic and critical drinker can continue their income stream
@@whodatninja439 good job giving him more clicks yourself😁 you showed him
@@dylanmcloughlin2187 If they had tried to do something kinda like Encanto did with Luisa (in that she's feminine and also very muscular) and make the Dwarf princess kinda noticeably feminine but kept the beard and ruggedness, I think that would've been fine. It's the fact that they completely toss out established lore and make her a conventionally attractive human-but-short that rings the warning bells for me.
Watching this after Amazon LOTR trailer dropped… this aged very well.
Lord of the rings, literally the most diverse movies ever made. Elves, humans, dwarves, wizards, hobbits, orcs, etc. Maybe their skin isn't a different color, but who cares? Diversity isn't just about skin.
The skin colours are diverse there are several stories of Harad (Africa) and Rhun (Asia)
Sshh. They don't want people to know that about diversity.
True. They need Elven singers played by Beyonce and Jay Z for musical diversity.
@@ralphbutcher7294 agreed! I forgot to mention them in the comment, but there's a whole country, basically big as America or larger that belongs to the harad, basically northern African/Middle Easterners
Can we call them dwarfs now. Aren’t they the vertical challenged or something?
*Bezos is as trustworthy a steward to Tolkien’s legacy as Denathor was to Gondor’s.*
Oddly, this is exactly Tolkien’s whole message: everything is getting worse, the pursuit of power and machines destroy the beauty of a quiet life.
Well said sir, well said….
Rod Dreher is looking more and more like Tolkien's heir these days.
Fun fact in the book Denathor came across Sauron will using the palantíri , Sauron tried to corrupt him but surprisings Denathor proved to have will strong enough to resist Sauron. But he became consumed by how hopeless it all seemed from seeing what he was up against.
Gabriel H. I couldn't agree more! :(
Here, here!
I'm Middle-eastern and as a hobby, I love studying history, other cultures, and other mythologies like Norse and Greek including my own mix of Egyptian, Persian, and Turkish background
I loved LOTR because it was a beautiful fantasy story based on Western Mythyolgy and History and I like it that way. It told of hope, courage, friendship, and brotherhood, all universal human values.
I will be very disappointed if the essence of that story is altered or distorted to suit a political or social agenda.
Liking other cultures' stories, histories, or myths is not a crime. We are created differently and only by learning and knowing and then respecting each other can we live peacefully together.
“… it will probably paint Sauron as the misunderstood hero.”
Damn this aged well… sadly. :(
"Intimacy Coordinator" sounds like something that a Hollywood producer would make up because professional groomer just doesn't look great on paper.
I can't be the only person who found the media build up surrounding Maisie Williams nude reveal in Game of Thrones to be distasteful and rather creepy.
"Intimacy Coordinator"...BWAHAHAHA...in a certain "other" movie industry, that sounds like the description of a "fluffer".
Nah, it's pretty standard practice in any major film or TV production where there's a sex scene, has been for a while.
You just hear about it a lot more post #MeToo.
Basically these days, a sex scene is planned out like any other onscreen sequence. An intimacy co-ordinator makes sure the actors are comfortable and understand what's being asked of them, and allows them to talk through it with each other and an experienced 3rd party. They also act as a choreographer for the sex scenes.
@@The_Reviewist don't bring straightforward facts into these threads, these people want to believe in their imaginary hollywood boogymen
@@The_Reviewist In addition their presence is a deterrent to grossly abusive directors, before intimacy coordinators became standard procedure, there were quite a few horror stories from actresses.
Bezos: "I want Lord of the Rings to be the next Game of Thrones"
The multiple levels of stupidity contained in that short thought makes my head hurt and I think I need to lie down just from hearing it.
you want a show filled with sex.nudity.swearing and will ultimately be the single biggest letdown in television history?
"I want to fudge the ending so hard that the fanbase turns against the material itself, so hard that it almost immediately disappears from popularity"
@Turd Ferguson *the richest*
They should leave him in space like General Zod
I mean, just the fact that GoT is in its core a subversion of Tolkien's writing, and Martin is pretty open about it tells me that Bezos never read either of them. He just saw that dark fantasy story about monsters attacking humans sells well so he thought of another fantasy story with very vaguely similar plot and thought they're basically the exact same thing.
My head hurts too, you're not alone
@Turd Ferguson my bet is that he didn't even like games of throne.
I will NOT NOT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT be watching any revision, remake, reboot or generally disgusting cash grab. The real LOTR was made by people who loved the books and wanted to preserve it as best they could. The Hobbit was a huge mistake.
im back here. 7 months ago i thought u might be wrong. 7months later u nailed it. Woke of the ring series is 100% official and ruined thanks to amazon
Tolkien explicitly wrote Lord of the Rings as an Anglo-Saxon myth. He flat out said it.
In other words LoTR belongs to WASP's. No one else may touch it.
@@aceambling7685 precisely. Preferably under pain of death.
Yes exactly. he wrote it as a British/english/anglo-saxon/etc myth because they had no mythology of their own, King Arthur was mostly borrowed from france.
@@aceambling7685 Tolkien was Catholic. :P
@@DeplorableMinecrafter a bold move, my respect for him only grows. *IACOBVS REX*
There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men for this treachery.
Dwarvish?
😂😂 Good one! I heartily agree.
An Amazon should know better!
DOWN WITH BEZOS!
@@voidist1 Look, the fans! They're moving!
The new Amazon series is going to make the Hobbit seem like a masterpiece. Calling it now.
Kind of like how VII, VIII and IX make I, II and III palatable.
@@DavidGuyton sequel trilogy star wars = trash
Prequel trilogy star wars = a mans trash is another mans treasure (memes and cool light saber battle, also world building).
The hobbit is good tf? Myself and many others didn’t read the books and loved the Hobbit trilogy.
@@DavidGuyton III was pretty good.
at least the hobbit only added and didnt subtract or change
You know, I always wonder what people that scream for “more diversity in media so that I feel represented” think white people feel like when consuming media. I am a white straight female. I never, ever in my life identified with a character just because they were also white straight females. In Harry Potter I identified most with Harry because he has many flaws I recognize in myself but overall is a good kid. Faramir is my favorite character in lotr because how could you not like him?! And I loved Cersei in GoT because she made a good villain but dear god I hope I’m nothing like her. And even if all of these characters were black, gay or whatever I wouldn’t care because it wouldn’t change the fact that they are great fictional characters. So can we please stop this inclusivity BS (especially when it disrespects the source material) because in good storytelling there is much more to a great character than just race, gender and sexuality.
They're degrading mankind putting value only in the lowest denomination of a person just color and sex. The woke's slogan is "read a book entirely by its cover."
Well the main reason is because people of different race, colour, gender identity, sexuality deal with different issues. So if there are films that only portray cis straight white people dealing with the usual cis straight white people problems it's harder for a larger range of audience members to relate to or understand the characters problems. That's not the say that cis straight white people don't share common flaws or issues in life, however, there are many problems we'll never experience because of our whitenes/gender/ sexuality. It's important to show diversity in media because the world is diverse and come with a diverse range of issues that people go through. So it's important to show audiences the lives and issues that people go through not only for relativity but to educate too. If you're making new media in today's climate than you need to be aware of what audiences what and need, that being diversity. Would it really be so bad if diversity was integrated into the characters (and done so correctly)?
@@lucymay446 The issue isn't inherently about inclusivity in modern media, but rather when that inclusivity doesn't make sense relating to the source material. It doesn't do to apply our real-world issues to the fictional media for the exclusive sake of inclusivity or representation. I suppose it's fair to disclose that I don't speak for everyone, but I'm watching fantasy movies ETC to *escape* from our reality, not to have it's issues reinforced upon me by throwing illogical casting into the mix for the sake of inclusivity, when the source material clearly states something completely different or a character all of a sudden looks nothing like they've been detailed to look like in the source material.
I'm sorry to break it to people, but if a viewer is incapable of detaching their reality from the fictional narrative they're watching, then there's a whole other problem to be talked about.
I agree! I never compared myself to characters in books and in movies solely by their colour of skin, or their gender. I would see myself in them by who they are as characters. I, unfortunately, am not much of a Harry Potter fan, I am more of a Tolkien and Frank Herbert fan of Dune and Lord of The Rings. I saw myself as Frodo, Sam, and even Aragorn, he is quiet, seeks people who he can place his trust on, he is also passionate and deeply loves. All of these characters are males. I don't need to connect with a female character just because I am a female. I love and admired Tolkien's work since I was a kid, now I'm seeing being bastardized by a lying activist that claims to be a Tolkienian scholar.😔
@@lucymay446 look, in general I totally agree with you. Of course diversity in media isn’t generally a bad thing, quite often it is a good thing. But that doesn’t mean that every single form of media has to be diverse.
Lotr is not a diverse story and there is a reason to it. Tolkien created middle earth as a love letter to northern European folklore. Guess what, Northern Europeans are white. And that’s the big issue here.
If big media corporations would diversify African folklore or folklore inspired stories by race swapping characters what would people say? They would be outraged. But in this case it’s ok?!
Amazon can create as much diverse media as they want to. But than they should write it themselves. Create your own universe, put in decades of hard work like Tolkien did. But don’t take the source material, claim it’s “racist”, shred it to a thousand pieces, insult an entire fan base and PROFIT off of it.
Betcha didn't know Celebrimbor learned everything he knows from his flawless and overbearing Haradric girlfriend.
Wasnt he married and had a daughter?
@@roque87 yeah they taught him everything cause he's a putz and not actually a competent man. Not even Tolkien knew lol
Who did what now?
@@mathewhex7045 The creator of the rings of power did so at the behest of a woman. Probably. Or it was really his wife that did it all along and he just took the credit because ancient beings of incredible power and knowledge capable of creating timeless wonders and with direct connections to angels and the devil himself, well, they just don't like women, like all other men everywhere ever.
This.... this is what we're going to see...isn't it?
Literally nothing related to modern movies matters anymore. Might as well buy up all the Blu-ray’s you can, disconnect the internet, and spend the rest of your life watching what has already been made. You’d probably be happier.
I did just that. Old movies are far better than just about anything made today. I also cut the TV cable decades ago, and I'm so happy that I don't get the propaganda pushed down my throat that most people get (without even knowing it, usually!)
Damn, the truth hurts with this one.
I've been doing so for years with games and movies, and everyone laughs at me for not playing "BattleRoyaleGame" or "LiveService" game because I understand what is fun and fulfilling and not another job. Fuck us for being realistic huh?
This is literally my plan. I'll watch the occasional movie that slips through the cracks like The Joker but only after I see a Drinker Recommends on it.
I'll drink to that 🍻
jeeze, this guys opinions are so damn refreshing in this day and age. he speaks the truth even though its technically not allowed in this day and age of political correctness, censorship and social justice warriors. also, i was a big fan of the lord of the rings and hobbit books as a kid. then as a teen i watched the lord of the rings movies and they were fantastic. i probably fell asleep watching the hobbit movies though. i do not want to see a modern take on lord of the rings. not at all.
dont be mad :) but for me those who names themselves 'warrior' need to be in actual war or a battle - I mean for real, not in a political debate :D So SJW name is just stupid name for spoiled kids who think that warrior means indoctrinator :D or seller of corporate products. :D
@@TallisKeeton what you said is very true. As if these people would do something in an actual war. I would be curious to see it. Just the way they portait communism like an idealised utopia, when most of them never been anywhere close to it in their lives. I'm 51 years old and remember what my childhood was like in a communist country. If they only knew what it was like, they won't mention it. There was nothing positive about this, except if you happened to be part of the ruling elite, which I wasn't.
@@xminusone1 Well, my childehood was at the times of communism regime though I just remember only bits of it and most of it was told me by my parents and grandparents. I was teenager when the political system was changed in Poland.
This has aged like fine wine.
"Fantasy is escapist, and that is its glory. If a soldier is imprisioned by the enemy, don’t we consider it his duty to escape?. . .If we value the freedom of mind and soul, if we’re partisans of liberty, then it’s our plain duty to escape, and to take as many people with us as we can" - J.R.R. Tolkien
"Unfortunately cocks are important. You don't have a cock"
- modern fantasy writers
@@jayone8891 medieval europe is what most fantasy emulates. how many cockless knights in shining armor were running around in the 8th century?
None of this is important to the new owners. They just want to keep the money moving.
“I never truly understood the importance of escapism until I conversed with the great professor Tolkien, who asked ‘Who has the most to fear from escape?’ then answered so clearly ‘Jailers.’” C.S. Lewis
This is why progressives hate fantasy and escapism. They want to play as shepherds to us, pretend to be guardians that ensure our security. If we dream and wonder, we come up with something better than they can promise and fulfill.
Progressives can't have that.
"There's wokeness in the world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting against."
I usually hate perversions of quotes to fit an agenda, but, bravo sir, you fucking nailed it.
@@adamparris8353 "Shame on you Sam".
All right then, keep your social justice warriors
Miss Frodo after they are done with the cut
Whenever there's black-and-white morality in a work of entertainment - whether it's the "woke" kind or the traditional kind - I tend to lose interest. Yes, being good is good; I've already learned that in real life, and I don't need fiction constantly repeating it to me. And I like it when the jerk wins every once in a while; if there were nothing to get outraged about, life would be very boring.
"It'll probably paint Sauron as the misunderstood hero."
If only he knew.
The Critical Drinker : This is the most brutally honest movie review channel I’ve ever seen. You were born to do this lol
Bezos is literally proposing basing a Tolkien property on a self-described “anti-Tolkien” property.
That's Picard vs. TNG all over again.
"Let the past die, kill it if you have to!"
Sex scenes and nudity? In an adaption of Tolkien's works? Tolkien would be rolling in his grave.
Rolling? He would drill himself all the way down to Nameless Things with the speed he would be spinning at
Imagine, if you will. Tolkien, sat huddled in sopping wet and icy cold trenches of a french field during the Great War. Hurriedly scribbling his notes, on what has yet to become one of the greatest works of fiction written. A litary work so great in its depth and scope, that children four generations on will be astounded by its tales of gallantry, honour and kinship. A tale of a group of fellows standing up to adversity in the face of overwhelming odds.
Now this man, in his alcove, with pen and notepad, crumpled hand-rolled cigarette and beans cooked on a small fire, shudders immensely, not because someone yet to be has trampled on his grave, but, is dragging his work, long finished, in to the undulating mass of identity politics. Twisting it and corrupting it, until it is no longer what it once was.
The doomhold looms, the cries of anguish from tortured souls hang menacingly in the air.
That, is what is whats to come...let it not be.
breaking news: Tolkien returns from the dead to bash on new lotr series
I love my dark edgy shows with lots of sex, nudity and gore but that is not LOTR, wich I also love.
Dude, the elves are pretty much asexuals, they cannonically almost only have sex to reproduce and they are immortal , so they don't reproduce a lot. They better not sexualize the ace representation.
"Evil cannot create, only corrupt."
-- Tolkien
Intimacy coordinators are actually becoming pretty common in Hollywood - they're basically the director for the sex scenes, just like a fight choreographer does the fights. A lot of directors would just say "idk, just go at it and we'll film you," which is a waste of a lot of time that often leaves actors feeling uncomfortable and produces not-very-good footage. An intimacy coordinator is a great thing to have if you're going to have sex scenes in your series!
...which is all moot because, like you said, why on earth do we need sex scenes in LOTR.
The issue with wanting to emulate Game of Thrones is that Martin set out to subvert genre expectations with his work (which sometimes worked, and sometimes fell pretty flat). Tolkien's books, on the other hand, formed the defining works of that very same genre - it literally _set_ those expectations in the first place.
Well said
Thank you. GRRM has always been a hack who copied all of his best ideas from real history. He's a GOOD hack and his novels are great reads, but there isn't much original content in any of them and they're only as popular as they are because most popular fantasy works have been such utter garbage for so long.
I've said essentially the same thing
Amazon just wants to cash in on sex and violence, but use Middle Earth as the backdrop ..
@@Raskolnikov70 I still think he did a good job at writing his characters and making his magic feel mystical and very few writers can effectively make an audience feel like any character can die but I do agree a lot of his worldbilding is a reflection of our own world
"Sir, the Uruk Hai are graping our women and children!" "Dont be a bigot that's their custom for saying a friendly hello!"
Humans: we need to defend our realm against the Orcs
Orcs: i am being racially profiled! Look im raping and pilaging because its the humans fault for making me do this
Just think of the restaurants.
@@user-ko3tv7jl2r yes! That weevil and maggot infested bread is gonna come back in style
Well, look what they're wearing...
it's purple.
"Looks like poon's back on the menu boys!"
When you described the show as a "weird, nihilistic, post-modern creative wasteland," I subscribed.
We haven't thanked Peter Jackson and the producers of the original trilogy enough that they made the trilogy way before the wokeness (the actual darkness) started. Imagine if LOTR movies were scheduled for production now. I don't even want to think about it. I'll be crying in a corner, holding to the books.
I guess there's a lot of Asimov fans crying in corners every time they announce a Foundation adaptation...
Amazon is Denethor and Tolkien's legacy is that tomato.
".....all shall fade. All shall fade."
-us I guess😅
you nailed it!
What Peter Jackson's LOTR was: Minas Tirith, clean, mean and fucking badass. What this train wreck will be: Minas Morgul, a corrupted shell of it's once glorious self.
Like Denethor, Amazon may have tomato on their faces as well.. 🍅
now I can't get that imagery out of my head! LOL
"Don't believe them, don't trust them. Let them die." -Captain Kirk.
😓
Ah,
But he came to question his beliefs later on
That's character, Something these writers don't understand, based on their previous 'efforts'
Kirk was referring to Klingons, speaking out of bitterness and some ignorance. I’m afraid real life is not so stark or easily resolved.
“You should’ve TRUSTED ME.”
- Captain Kirk and probably the people who helped make Lord of the Rings so fucking good
That was... arrogant presumption!
"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own." - Frodo Baggins in the 'LoTR' The Return of the King, page 190.
"But trolls are only counterfeits, made by the enemy in the Great Darkness, in mockery... as Orcs were of Elves." Treebeard in 'LoTR' The Two Towers, page 474
"Cancel culture" and "Misunderstood villains" existing at the same time is some sort of sick irony...
The reasoning:
Cancel culture- Whites, males, "oppressor" groups
Misunderstood villains- Blacks, women, "oppressed" groups
@@annak48972 Hah, I am yet to see a diverse villain. It is mostly "reformed" white males, or mistreated women.
@@Arvigeus Both Magneto and Killmonger should count as diverse villains, even when they are always presented as "not evil just misunderstood" over and over.
There was some obscure Russian book from the 80's that detailed the Lord of the Rings from Sauron's perspective, portraying him as a progressive figure that brought industry and science, in comparison to the backwards and reactionary elves and men.
@@socialaccount1421 Shut up! Hollywood can hear you!
"There is not now upon Earth any place abiding where the memory of a time without evil is preserved."
Is that a JJ Abram's quote?
@@hapablap2088 It's a quote from the Silmarillion during the downfall of Numenor.
@@hughzehzelleise7166
Pretty sure you're wrong
@@hapablap2088 he's 100% right. It's a quote from when Ilúvatar removed Aman and Eressëa from the world, in _The Silmarillion._
@@MarlonMacielBrando
No. It's from Lost.
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt. And only ruin what good forces have invented or made.” - J. R. R. Tolkien
7 months later... spot on
Another reason why LOTR is so good is because it was filmed at the exact right time, beginning of 2000s was perfect for it. Technology just good enough for all the insane things you need a computer for (ntm Gollum) without overusing the effects (like they did in hobbit), and not mixed with any politics like it would be today.
too many times we go to see a film to escape the politics and drama of the real world. now far too many films have us forced to watch this poilticical crap in films and tv now that it eventually brainwashes so many of us. we want to enjoy a film or tv to escape this crap. please leave politics and real life shit out of movies especially fantasy movies.
I toured Weta Studios. They had JUST finished writing the PC program to .. mimic those huge fight scenes. That technology was KEY to the movies.
@@M0viLover i bet the films and the epicness of them would have been significantly less without a CGI golem.
Yup
LOTR is mixed with politics
Plot twist: Sauron is now a female protagonist escaping the bonds of Men.
That by itself would be better than a GOT level of gruesome detail into how Morgoth turned some elves into the first Orcs. Tolkien very much sums up the process as “unspeakable” which you damned well can bet these cretins will take as a challenge to actually depict in all its absolute horror.
Basically “Hellraiser” or “Event Horizon” uncut.
@@eldermillennial8330 Morgoth isn't second age?
I mean the great deceiver right😉
Tolkien fans:I have a bad feeling about this!!
Not much of a twist in the modern age
“It’ll probably paint Sauron as the misunderstood hero” 😂😂😂
*You do realise that Sauron abandons evil during the early period of the Second Age when he re-emerges in Rhun after fleeing the Valar, right? And Tolkien wrote of Sauron's complexities with regard to the allegiance to Melkor in this letters, too, right? ~* 😂
Excuse my English, I'm German. I usually like your statements and see my opinions being reflected in your videos - sometimes better than I would have expressed them by myself. I also share your concern about the upcoming Amazon 'Lore of the Rings'-Series. What I can't share is your understatement of the Silmarillion as not exactly a page-turner. To put it in a pathos, the Silmarillion is the mother of lore and the bible of fantasy - or maybe the Edda of Tolkien. It answers more questions I had, when I read The Lord Of The Rings for the first time or also after the well-interpreted Jackson-adaptation. It makes The Lord Of The Rings so powerful, even if it's an anticlimatic evolution of the whole lore. Wars so destructive, that they erased a big part of Middle Earth from the map, elves and humans so powerful, that they messed with gods and that one story, that contains everything, a fantasy heart ever dreamed of - Beren and Luthien... the Silmarillion would give a lifetime of cinematic entertainment as it took a lifetime for the father of fantasy to develop and discuss. May it not be hobbited...
Yes it wasn't diverse enough for them, so they had to shove character of their own making, made galadriel à kind of knight. It's stupid.
George R.R. Martin recently said he'd wished he'd finished the books before the show was over.
But that 1,800 pounds of brisket wasn't going to eat itself.
Not to mention the couple of hundred gallons of beer. I've met him, and that man can drink. Hell of a nice guy, though.
What could he have done? He only had 8 years to do it.
@@PolarizedMechs the guy did what a lot of people do, and if Tolkien wasn't following like such a specific formula he probably would have ended up in the same place, both of them are really good at world building but RR Martin has written so many subplots and he has no idea where they're going, whereas Tolkien had the benefit of the formula.. neither of them are really that good at storytelling, they're good at world building and they're going to character writing well especially Martin in terms of character writing..
When you break down the structure just the literary structure in The Lord of the rings books it's it's acceptable, and I and I bet that was far more compelling back before high fantasy was a more commonly seen element... I can imagine back in the fifties this being far more compelling on a count of the rarity of the setting as well as the characters being cared for this is what gets you through those books but you do have to try in certain parts to get through those books especially in the first when you get to Lothlorien.
When you look at a lot of worldcrafted things especially in television where they're writing for time to keep a show going, you realize they really don't have an ending in mind and they're just kind of keeping going down the rabbit holes and that's why these endings always end up so disappointing in a lot of cases, now there is an opposite to this and and it's so fucking satisfying when it works out and when you see this done well and that is how Tom Clancy would tie things together.
When you look at our Martin he has a million different open channels, Clancy would have a million open channels and every single novel and he would tie them together every single time everything factored into itself and was exponentially more satisfying as a result as those things tied themselves together and that's something that hasn't really been properly showcased in any of the movies although, I haven't seen the latest that Amazon did just on general principle, I heard it's all right as a movie but one could argue that the Philip noise movies were all right, they still were kind of insulting for Clancy and when they had replaced the premise with his wife instead of the hooker I was just like I'm out I can't do that there's the whole fucking point was that like that set up was perfect so I don't know, and the show did okay I have to give it credit on that regard like it did feel albeit it has been changed significantly but there were a lot of key elements that felt like Clancy even if they were dealing with limited plots but that's that's okay because they could tie them together or at least the first two seasons so far.
Their ambition thus far has not exceeded, and that's the one thing that Clancy can always do was everything that he opened he could close, and and it's kind of difficult the way that Martin is writing as as like a history so these things are all happening and in reality the way he's writing which is very reality oriented, hence why so many characters die for what would not make a better story but because they would have died in those situations...
. but reality doesn't have to tie together to make a good story it just exists and unfortunately he's now at the the point where he has to start tying things together to make an ending and it's all got to come back and I think I think what makes it so difficult for him is that it's kind of a betrayal of the format to actually end it, at least ended in a satisfying manner and I can see why that's so difficult to deal.. like initially I was always just like motherfucker real Clancy novel then you learn how to end it but it doesn't work that way because I'm assuming he's trying to to maintain some sort of consistency.
now you could do the fucking worst thing which they already did for the show and somehow they managed to make it even worse like they manage to do the worst fucking things they could possibly do not only betraying the characters but also not even following some sort of story logic other than just officially paying their nails black with a fucking sharpie like oh yeah I forgot where the edgy show look how edgy we are again did you forget how edgy we were we're going to show you real quick how much we are everything's super edgy now it's always fucking pisses me off, win Battlestar glad to go with that direction and season 3 it just fucking sucked, now rounding more can do whatever the hell he wants because he's proven that he can write in the post of that so I got nothing against him.. but I'm just like damn that's why would you do that for the game of thrones ending like I get that you wanted to get off the show but you had the budget to or why don't you just hand off the fucking script to somebody else that was going to put the time in? Especially when they had set things up so well to transition into a story ending... Like the moment that they started deviating things were getting better and things were closing and then there was the fucking end and it's almost like they were I almost don't want to blame the writers entirely because I can see how a studio would want certain things to have happened, but they also needed to give themselves more time to do it.
Is actually obscenely long and I apologize everything I write is super long and chaotic cuz I used speech to text but I've had a lot of discussions with me wife who's been following the books for 20 years now, on this whole affair I actually never even watched the last episode I was just like fuck that...
but I see this a lot especially when you're a world builder we saw this with The wheel of Time, which was handed off to what two three different people, the dune series as well this is just kind of one of those things that happens either have it or you don't and I mean just look at the structure of this response you could tell I understand following rabbit holes and opening channels, I don't know I don't envy him but I hope he doesn't die before he finishes it..
I do understand the difficulty of it though, I don't think people are going to be satisfied either way and I feel like the show put it even harder of a position given how badly that went down that people are desperately going to be wanting something better and more and satisfying and how do you do that when your entire format involves nothing of satisfaction whatsoever other than maybe dialogue, that's not what he's trying to do he's trying to make like almost like a sandbox these characters exist in this world realistically die in this world realistically these are great characters that he's created, and unfortunately they live in a very cruel world which given his source material makes a lot of sense.. in real life people just get old and die or get fucking STDs and die, or kill each other when you're looking at his source material and there's like a hundred years of utter clusterfuck, was much less likable characters in reality other than what we prop them up to be, I don't get me wrong I find the words of roses fascinating as well but yeah I think now he's coming to the regret of forming a story in that regard which is you know yeah that's all I got on that.
There's a part of me that kind of wonders if Ben off fucked the ending over just just to push Martin to finish the books cuz it it none of it makes sense like his writing is that he's done on his own has been excellent prior to this he knows how to write characters he knows how to write dialogue he knows how to finish a story for what it's worth and everybody knows how to finish the story better than the way they fucking did other than maybe JJ Abrams and that's cuz JJ Abrams doesn't have any actual talents, this is becoming increasingly apparent the more creative control he had.
Lost is a really good example by the way of a TV show that kept opening things up and had no idea where to end it and that's why I came across so unsatisfying when they couldn't back up the actual intrigue that they had managed to build.. and that was back when we didn't hate him, anybody that doesn't hate him right now by the way fuck you the guy black whole time won't Star trek out of existence that's a dick move buddy, almost as dick a move actually no exponentially more dick move than been often to the game of thrones series cuz at the very least at the very least it started out okay LOL and at the very least, everybody's officially just decided that nobody nobody is going to consider the TV show ending to be any sort of canonical thing, also he didn't black hole destroy the entire timeline canonically, so yeah definitely more of a dick move I'm going to stop now that's a whole nother rant.
Well, gee, he's not alone there. I'm sure all of us wished he finished the books before the show completely ruined what he HAD written.
@@jakedill1304 Overall I agree, but I would argue that Tolkien didn't yet had the formula. He is father of modern fantasy. And although he was inspired by myths, they weren't neither that formulaic, nor always in the spirit Tolkien was writing.
And now unrelated part:
Also, George R.R. Martin said few times that GoT is in heart subversion of Tolkien, a realistic (and I would argue that nihilistic) fantasy. That's why George doesn't really have a formula. He choose a style in which it's impossible to have one.
It is more complex than Tolkien's stories, but it also makes so he have to be either very careful about what leads to what, or accept whatever the natural conclusion to the story will be.
I personally have a feeling that he got tired of exactly that, and that's why his productivity is so low. He chose a method that is more energy and thought consuming.
Also, I've seen a misconception that complex stories are better than simple ones. That is not true. Simple or complex is just a tool for the storyteller. George excels in complex storytelling, Tolkien performs better with simple one. Those are two different types of stories, even though they seems similar.
And C.S Levis is amazing at complex, but suck at storytelling. That's why Narnia appears to be children stories despite not being that at all. (And that's why in my opinion adaptations failed)
And of course corporate entities won't take any of that into consideration while making shows, especially while choosing writers and directors for them.
Some of the nitpicking SJW's on Twitter you mentioned seem to completely miss the fact that Tolkien DID have "inclusivity." Just not in the way they're used to seeing it.
He didn't shoehorn it in. He didn't superficially virtue signal by compromising the integrity of the story just to make a point. He introduced real, deep moral principles of self-sacrifice, loving your fellow man and not judging them by the face they wore while having it make sense within the world he created. Some examples:
-Frodo chose not to judge Gollum who made choices he didn't agree with. Instead he approached him with an attitude of understanding to see if he could help him.
-Eowyn, the only strong female warrior I ever need screaming "I am no man" as she stabs the Witch King in the face.
-Aragorn and Arwen having a strong, wholesome inter-racial human/elf relationship that overcame all obstacles. Likewise Beren and Luthien in the Silmarillion.
-Speaking of Luthien, she confronted Tolkien's version of Satan a.k.a. Morgoth face-to-face, unarmed, in order to save Beren. Talk about "strong female character" vibes.
-Frodo and Sam, as hobbits, were a race that were constantly looked down on (literally and figuratively). Yet their bravery was greater than their perceived weakeness and they saved Middle Earth.
-And last, but absolutely not least, *Legolas and Gimli had a whole freaking three book long story arc on brotherhood transcending racial divides.*
No, he did not stuff in a "token ethnic/nebulous sexuality character" into the world of Middle Earth in order to make a political point in our reality. It is a fantasy story. Instead he had Hobbits, Elves, Dwarves and Humans, with each even having their own multiple different ethnicities, cultures, languages and histories within them. All living on the same earth trying to understand each other. People who could all choose to do evil or good, no matter the race. With heroes coming through physical, mental and emotional obstacles to do the right thing. And that even if you do fall, you can come back to the right path as long as you choose to.
There certainly are strong female characters and the male characters aren't just macho arseholes like in Hollywood. However the "good" side is blindingly white to the point where the only darkskinned characters are evil. For a non-white person in our multicultural society today it must look horrifically racist. Black elves or dark elves are a thing in many fantasy settings and I think it would be a good opportunity to show that black people too can behave elf-like. Black characters are rarely graceful, instead they are typically portrayed as very rough and unkempt.
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@@Lighthammer18 That's simply because was a white man living in a white mans world and he set his story in a world based on Western European (bsically white) history.
If Tolkien had been born in Iran, his LotR would of been full of Arabs and based on Arabian Mythology.
If Tolkien had been born in China, his LotR would of been full of Asians and based on Asian Mythology.
If Tolkien had been born, yeah, you get the idea :)
@@jimofthenorth8090 Mate he was born in South Africa. He fought side-by-side with Indian and Arab soldiers in the trenches of WW1. He was as close as an Englishman could be to multiculturalism.
@@Lighthammer18 and while that's true, he was born to white family and lived in England from the age of 3.
I'm just saying LotR is primarily a "white" book because it was written by a white man.
Vanity Fair’s article dropped and holy elven shite it’s every bit as woke and cringy and we’ve feared my friends. Laughable 🤣🤣
After what Amazon did to Wheel of Time I shudder to think about what a shitshow this will be
There has been an “Orcs are racist” article all ready written.
@Beren Erchamion Mind blowing, like eating a grenade mind blowing.
I bet they conveniently leave out the "white orc" of the Hobbit.
Or that the orcs spoke with working class British accents.
@@item6931 Ohi, you got a loiscence for that troll?
@@lonewolf1625 Nay me matey! But would you fancy a slice of Hobbit jerky?
@@item6931 we got roast mutton over ere boys! And you two need to stOp tawking such wubbish!
"'Your movie stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little and it will fail, to the ruin of all." Thank God the LOTR trilogy was made when it was.
i lie awake at night thinking of the horror a 2021 LOTR trilogy would look like
The old trilogy will get subtle edits.
And _where_ it was. i.e. thousands of miles away from Hollywood and its overbearing movie producers.
Google “One of these Hobbits has to die!”
@@samblack5313 If they put that steamy Sam on Frodo scene in everybody was expecting i am game :D
Why were there no female, gay, or trans hobbits in the fellowship? or black hobbits? Unacceptable!. Also can we have a female Queen of Gondor, who inexplicably uses Eastern shaolin martial arts to vanquish far stronger and better fighters than herself with side kicks? Clearly the elves are trans too. (I mean, look at them) and immigration has not been addressed at all in the original. This is going to be great. great. I don't know, because if I'm not dead, I certainly won't be watching.
You came close to calling it on Sauron as the 'misunderstood hero'.
Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt” - J.R.R Tolkien
"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world." _-Thorin Oakenshield, The Hobbit._
I would add that if more of us valued good writing, respecting lore/fans, and kindness over fake toxic wokeness, it would be a merrier world.
A billion dollar movie would make Smaug soil his lair in envy...
That should be the Tennants of EFAP.
Bravo to you 👍
@Tracchofyre Do you really not get it or do you choose not to?
@Tracchofyre I mean, why celebrate independence day? The revolution was way longer ago than the abolition of slavery. And which do you find a better advancement of civilization to celebrate? When a republic was declared, and the shackles of monarchy and peasantry were thrown off by a new and liberated people? Or when those same liberated and free people chose to share their freedom with everyone in their republic independent of the color of their skin? Both are admirable, but the greatness of the revolution always casts the hypocritical shadow of slavery - "Every man is created equal before God" it says, but this only applied to white people before the abolition of slavery.
Personally, I think both should be celebrated. Civilization advances one step at a time, and we still have a long way to go, but sometimes it's nice to look back and see how far we've come.
It's depressing to think 90% of good movies were made before 2010 and we're probably never getting an epic fantasy tale like LOTR again.
Did you not watch Dune? I’m not saying it’s on the same level as LOTR, not many films are, but it was still an amazing cinematic experience. It remained faithful to the source material throughout (which is some of the greatest fictional literature ever written), and if it continues to do that over the following two sequels, it’ll surely be a classic in its own right.
@@itiswhatitis9931 I understand art is subjective, and to each their own, but Dune by Frank Herbert is by far the worst science fiction novel I have ever read. I went out of my way to buy that book, because I love science fiction, and I just do not understand why anyone would enjoy it. The character development and pace of the book had me hoping for a climax that simply never happened. I genuinely wanted to like that book, but I just couldn't bring myself to care about the odd underwhelming characters, and I actually had a hard time remembering who was who at certain points in the book, or why I should even care. I'm not trying to just spew random hatred, and I hope you take no offense by this, but I genuinely do not understand how anyone enjoyed reading that book
@@the-engneer It's definitely not a book for everyone, but as you said, art is subjective. If that's your opinion of it, fair enough, I don't take offense to people simply disagreeing with me, but I'd certainly say you're in the minority. Either way, my comment was more about the film than the book itself. If you haven't seen it, I'd give it a try at least. It's worth it. Denis Villeneuve is a genius. Perhaps you'll enjoy it more than the book.
@@itiswhatitis9931 I still plan on giving the film a chance just because I'm pretty open minded and there's no way it can be worse than the previous film adaptation lol
@@the-engneer haha yeah, it’s MUCH better
“[this show] will probably paint Sauron as the misunderstood hero”.
How prophetic!
This aged beautifully
"What can men do against such reckless hate?"
-King Theoden
That's been the question on my lips in the past few years. What can we do about the Woke? They hate everything, bully and brainwash everyone into doing their biding, and are never satisfied. It's like a Soul Plague has taken over humanity.
Then I'm reminded that a majority of us are still sane and not part of the hate and shame cult. That the more the Woke push against human nature, the more human nature pushes back and reaffirms itself. Also, they may be loud and obnoxious and ruining everything they touch like it's gone out of style, but somehow they are still flying under the radar of ordinary people who aren't deeply connected to the world of internet culture and politics. My parents didn't know about the Woke until I informed them of the phenomenon about half a year ago. Their understanding of American politics and culture could be summarized as "Donald Trump Bad, Americans reckless and crazy fools." (We are Canadians btw) As recently as yesterday, I made another one of my colleagues at work aware of the Woke's existence and the damage they are causing. We have to remind ourselves that we of the resistance movement to Wokeism also live in a bubble of sorts. Lots of people go about their lives without a clue this madness is happening, almost like Muggles in a wizard vs wizard war. We have to inform them, before Voldemort's done casting a subjugation spell on them.
Then there's the Anti-CTR movement rising in America right now, spearheaded by parents who are finally waking up to the indoctrination happening in schools, which is giving me a lot of hope. There's a chance Western civilisation bounces back from this without needing to ruthlessly exterminate the fraction of itself that has gone completely insane through the mechanism of a bloody hot civil war, and a lot of hope for that peaceful resolution rest on spreading awareness. If your friends and relatives are part of the uninformed middle, you have got to warn them. Expose the Woke for what they are ; a nihilistic Orwellian racist godless cult of shame and hatred run by grifters, bullies and lunatics.
“Ride out,ride out and gate keep with me”
@@liwendiamond9223 .....?
@LiwenDiamond well said mate. The more I talk to people the more I realise how much of a minority the woke lot actually are in the everyday world. Problem is, the fact that they are in charge of virtually all media, education systems and mainstream news and the fact that social media gives them a bigger platform to spout their dangerous, hypocritical bile than anyone could have dreamed of 20 years ago makes them a lot more dangerous than their numbers would initially suggest.
@@liwendiamond9223 Interesting you mention that because about 2 years ago I explained the same thing to my parents (they're close to 60 now). When I got into the whole subject of SJWs wanting everything gender neutral, the first thing out of my mom's mouth was: "That's exactly like Communism. The Soviets wanted everything gender neutral [sic: comrade] and pushed for that." Unreal how she could immediately see the dangers that Marxism has caused by tunneling into the school system. Another woman I spoke to who lived under the former Communist Ukraine said that those who love communism and push for it have no clue what it really is. If they did, they'd be thankful for their democracy. By the way, we're Canadian as well.
The sad thing is that Bezos created Amazon as an online book store originally. You'd think he'd have read one of the most significant fantasy novels ever written.
I could swear I remember hearing from somewhere that he doesn't really like reading and couldn't give a gnat's fanny about books, past the money they can make for him. Sounds pretty believable to me.
Bezos needs to stay in space and leave earth.
England will face Germany in R16 of Euros
"Hi, I'm Jeff and I sell books"
The Bezos who found the ring is gone, replaced by a wicked and greedy troll, forever craving more and more wealth and power.
This will be the biggest first season flop in history.
You were right looking back a year later
"Men are weak" is about to be given a whole new meaning.
Thankfully. The 11 hours trilogy and the books are still there to be enjoyed, untarnished by the failures of lesser people.
Valar morghulis 🤣🤣🤣
I feel called out
4:26: OH GOD NO.
Oh no, oh no, oh no.
Sex-Scenes in TV-Shows are always so pathetic; the final-dead-end of sex-sells basically. I dont want this S-it. I just dont want this s-it!
Sex in TV-Shows is cringe by default, but it sounds like their 'Experts' will make it even worse. Ugh.
And YES, also what Drinker said about Tolkien and how bad it will all translate to that...
that too, YES.
@@nenmaster5218 I agree.
@@nenmaster5218 imagine being to scared to say shit
This was so spot on. How prophetic.
You called it, The Critical Drinker!! Sauron is a misunderstood hero in The Rings of Power. You called it, sir! 😮
Bezos cares about the authenticity of the Lord of the Rings as much as he cares about one of his workers languishing in an Amazon dungeon trying to package 1000 boxes in an hour in 45 degrees celsius heat
Dude! Perfectly said! Thank you
They get paid a lot more than me lol
@@gameking8809 do you mean you are unemployed then ?
@@gameking8809 McDonald's pay me more tbh and I don't even work there
How did you know such specific details? Are you in the Amazon dungeon?
Two things they'll argue:
1. Tolkien was a racist and his work needs to change.
2. Tolkien was always SJW and he would've wanted this.
At the exact same time too lol
Exactly their logic
They dont even have that second excuse but that wont stop em from lying 🤷♂️
He must be rolling in his grave
Always moving the goal post.
This video aged like fine wine
...i wish it didn't.... i wish for once that cincicysm of the critics was wrong but. *sigh* here we are, rejoycing over the show's tweeter stupidity and writters' retardation
Rings of Power tears my heart out. LOTR is one of the most revered of western Lore. It shames me to be a part of this world now. What's even more depressing is seeing what the Tolkien society itself has been reduced to. I wish I had an answer. I do not.
This is yet another example of why I only watch “older” movies and shows. Now, excuse me while I go rewatch the extended editions to wash this incoming train wreck from my memory bank.
Hey, you do that, too? I personally like to cut off my selection at 2005. That seems to be when cinema really started to go downhill.
Once in a blue moon, something really good comes out of Hollywood these days but I agree.
I’m totally with you, but have you watched Knives Out? Great movie that came out a few years ago now that doesn’t get bogged down at all with virtue signaling (and kind of makes fun of it!) I loved it.
@@Mpiewizard yeah, there is something every now and then. I will say I am excited for Dune (whenever we’ll actually get it), but overall I have very little enthusiasm for what’s coming out. Besides, there are so many movies and shows I haven’t watched from before my time to still choose from.
@@gabrielle.j I have been told it’s worth a watch. I just still havent forgiven Rian Johnson for what he did to Star Wars. I can’t quite make myself give it a try.
"Why does it hurt so much?"
"Because it was real".
Future dialogue we can expect, and how I feel.
Similar to how the Star Wars sequels made people look more fondly upon the prequels, I get the feeling the failings of the Hobbit trilogy will be dwarfed (pun intended) by the terror Amazon has in store for us.
@@michaelkemel9711 dark times are ahead. Dark times indeed...
I physically cringed at that line.
🖕🖕🖕the hobbit movies
Now we know it's not as bad as we feared. It's worse.
Revisiting this video after well over a year is pure joy!
"Source material? Bah, what's source material?" - most modern movie writers.
"Writing StarWars movies was hard because we didn't have any comics or books to draw from"
-Kathleen Kennedy
Like all these women they keep hiring to direct super hero movies admitting they have never read a comic before.
Source Material? You mean Problematic Literature... 🔥 📚 🔥
Comic book movie writers specially. Like, the reason why the comics were so popular in the first place is for the amazing and fun stories, why not just try to do a good job adapting them and be happy?
Pretty much all movie writers since cinema was invented