The Rings of Power - War For A Fandom
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- Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power on Amazon has caused a fair bit of controversy since it was announced, and the first trailer isn't even out yet. Join me as I break down the reasons behind the fan backlash and the reactions to it.
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I doubt BAME's & what not will even watch this newest post millennia refuse!
What pity, oh well never mind;)
Wonder what next classic is going to be dragged through the mud next by the alphabet people?
Love your videos, very insightful. I support channels I like by likening every comment available to be read while I’m there watching your video. Not sure how that helps but I can only assume the more 👍🏻 a channel gets the more the algorithm will suggest the video to others.
Diversity for Diversity's Sake is it's own kind of Racist.
Subversion and power tripping by next gen useful idiot spoiled brats.
It’s hard to get disappointed when you’re not expecting anything
And yet somehow they manage to do it
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Ah, yes Dewey's quote from Malcolm in the Middle: "I expect nothing and I'm still disappointed."
Last time i was positively surprised was The Man from Uncle reboot...sedond was Tron: Legacy...two times in a decade is something.
Because it's intentional
Couldn't have said it better.
As a bearded woman I'm hugely offended that they removed the beards from the female dwarfs.
THIS! I remember distinctly that dwarves in LotR lore are PROUD of their beards, regardless of gender. That they're praised for their intricate braiding styles, and that is a skill that the dwarves community cherish and admire.
And yet now, they have a clean shaven dwarf, who is telling us: Yo girls, don't conform to the patriarchy standard of beauty!
Even though Gimli
once mentioned that there is no difference between men and women dwarves. That you could date one without knowing their gender until the dwarf decide to tell or show you (and this doesn't satisfy the lgbtq group???)
What is this? The next gender revolution? Are they trying to demand that next, for women to be powerful and independent, we should all shave our hair? (This is getting hypocritical, when women on tik tok are happily showing off their hairy armpits)
And hey, better yet, cancel and doxx all those hair braiding tutorials, how dare women waste their time on looking pretty on weddings and parties when we have better things to do?!
The first thing I thought when I saw the dwarf lady picture: WHERE is her BEARD?
@Robert Monroe Yes.
For all the shoe-horning inclusiveness of modern television, they missed such a huge friggen opportunity to have gender crossing norms in the dwarves as an IN-WORLD option. Blows my mind.
Show us the dwarf women beards you cowards.
I hope you didn’t spring out of the ground to make that comment!!!!
As a Japanese Tolkien fan, I 100％ agree with you.
Tolkien wrote the Middle-earth tale for white, the people who has same racal identity with him, so we should respect it.
The culture of white must be respected just as same as the culture of black,asia,and any other races.
I commented in Official Japanese trailer like this（originally in Japanese, of course）;
"How do you feel if 『古事記』（"Kojiki"−a Japanese Founding myth）is going to be a drama but some Gods and Goddess will be acted by white and black?
Or,how do you feel if 『源氏物語』（"Genjimonogatari"-a love story set in Japanese inperial court, written in 1000 years ago） is going to be a drama but some hime（princess） will be acted by white and black?
I don't think it is diversity.
It is disrespect."
―and my comment has become muted.
So sad.
Thanks for your comment(s).
How does Japan react to this in general?
@@redditstories2750 In Japan there are pros and cons, just same as other countries.
Thanks lol.
Are you a Tolkien fan? Or a Jackson fan pretending to be a Tolkien fan?
@@reek4062 I have been a Tolkien fan for nearly 30 years. The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit have long been staples in Japanese school libraries, and that's where I first encountered Tolkien's books.
As a non "white" person. The thing I hate most is forced diversity. It helps....no...one. Your arguments are sound Mr. Drinker. I'd buy you a pint.
As someone with dark skin I’m sick of the forced inclusion. This whole diversity push has done nothing but produce bad products. True diversity can only be attained through original ideas. You think as a kid I was bummed out that John Mclane was a white guy. Regardless of his skin tone I still strived to be the guy that did right thing even if I didn’t have too. We didn’t think in those terms back then. Also we have had diversity in movies for a long time now, and honestly it was done better when it wasn’t forced. We need to lay off the diversity and get back to making good movies. 10-20 years ago we had both diversity and good movies, you can’t even make a list there are so many….Let’s just go back to that pleez.
These people literally can't think past it. And I am using "literally" literally. If the main character isn't their race, gender, sexual orientation, and so on, they are incapable of empathizing with them and feeling any kind of connection. Like getting punched in the face is a different sensation based on melanin.
Don't you find it patronizing? While us whitey's are rolling our eyes at the stuff....I can't help but think that it belittles people of other races/sexualities to the point of condescension.
Whenever a 'man of the chalk' inserts or pours false praise on a POC I can't help but think of a man praising his pet.
This stuff is so dangerous
When I was 8 I wanted so badly to be Harrison Ford. I don't mean I wanted to be a man, I mean I wanted to be that cool.
I completely understand what you mean about the current inability to relate to characters that don't look like you. I could put myself in the shoes of Indiana Jones and Han Solo, I'm not sure kids can do that anymore.
This is a great point. The people making these shows and the people supporting them think that the audience can only relate to a character if they look like them, which is incredibly racist in itself. I'm as pale as it gets and I grew up thinking guys like Samuel L Jackson, Denzel, Jackie Chan and Jet Li were cool as hell and I wanted to be able to be able to be tough like them or fight like them. We saw these guys in movies just as much as we saw Bruce Willis or Arnie and no one made a fuss about it.
@@BWMagus lol actually yeah! Literally is the proper term here
Peter Jackson's LotR was made at the exact time in human history that the series could be made. It was a nearly perfect adaptation and we'll never see another like it.
eh I dont think so, I think we could see other big series adapted properly, however older cult stories will have a much harder time getting adaptions without changes. The MCU changed Hollywoods view, but I dont think the MCU can stand up much longer and it will fade into obscurity as a new model of making money takes over.
@@checker297 Well, looks like Amazon will buy the LOTR film rights
Sure, tell that to the elves who died in the Helm's Deep. And all the oliphants Legolas got to skate on.
Half the reason is because there’s nothing else good left to adapt
@@checker297 I really liked "the girl with the dragon tattoo" but they never made the second and third films because $240+ at the box office was apparently not successful enough -_-
As a woman who loves Lord of the rings, it never really bothered me to see a main cast formed only by men. I liked to see the good values these men had; their comradery to one another, their honor, their respect... It never mattered if my gender wasn't there on the screen; they were people of value that I would follow no matter what
ikr, and women were not disregarded. It was shown that they can be as powerful as men and that disregarding them was just ridiculous, but at the time that's how things were... Loved seeing men actually have feelings they accept too (hi Aragorn ^^)
Women in LOTR were portrayed as beautiful, kind and important characters. They were powerful through their femininity.
Nowadays women characters always need to kill the bad guys and battle, something that most people don't even want to see because women irl don't really like to use physical violence in the first place.
@@V.Hansen Depending of the context or history, is not always bad that there are women that can be criminals or assasins oe violent, the notion that all women are pure and good angels is also bad and false. But, the thing is, that doesn´t mean that ALL female characters MUST be in that way in order to deserve being considered brave and strong. And also, you have right in saying that we as women don´t like to see characters that are basically men in woman bodies so much, but well, we do like female characters that are strong and capable in general (maybe even physically, if makes sense with the story and character), but also that are complex and deep and have more things to show than that.
I love LOTR, and I understand that it was written by a very traditional man, based in old mythologies and I have an open mind to accept that. There are lots of other stories that I like that have more female characters and that focus a lot more on them, and I love that more stories like that are being made.
But also, I don´t need to have that in everything I like, and I know that other women share this opinion. Also, even that LOTR have very few female characters, and some things that are due to Tolkien being a man of his age, there are also a lot of interesting elements in his story, like men being able to be vulnerable, caring and open for example, that even today could be considered disruptive.
@@MoRPho151 I am not saying that all women are pure and good angels, but I think they should still contain their femininity when being evil. Most of what we see in Hollywood is male figures switched 1 to 1 with female ones. The problem is also that female characters that physically defeat bad guys in combat are often too powerful because movie writers and producers don't like to show off women being beaten down by men or something that could trigger a traumatic experience.
So most female protagonists (like new Mulan or Rey from Starwars) are basically able to do everything, they don't really have to go through training or anything like that but are just naturally able to deal with every situation.
Yes, exactly the main heroes of the Lord of the rings are men. As you have said they have values and honor and you watched it. Thus, It doesn't matter who is the main hero or we all can relate to their actions because we share the same values and same emotions we can understand them. When an honorable hero is represented whether female or male, I can relate to it because we are all human beings. How I can say there's no representation of me there if I can relate to that hero and understand his actions.
What annoys me is how there seems to be so little interest making series and films inspired by other cultures, e.g. African history, Asian or ancient American. All these companies want to do is take stories inspired by European history and reimagine them through a 21st century lens. I'd gladly watch a series with a fantasy world inspired by ancient Egypt or the Ottoman empire, hell even feudal Japan, dynastic China or the Nubian empire if they were good enough. They've no interest in making that, instead it's "What if the Vikings were black" "what if the queen of England was black" "What if middle-earth looked like London in 2022", I can't enjoy stuff like this, it just ruins the immersion
My thoughts exactly. Why do the film makers doubt the intelligence and curiosity of the viewer, we only want a good story.
Because they are lazy and want to score woke virtue points and make easy money. It’s not about the content. That’s why everything is a damn remake now. Nobody is innovating or creating thoughtful stories.
А very good point you made! There are countless stories around the world to choose from - and yet the points of reference are so few! I wonder is it the limited knowledge or willful desire to destroy particular pieces of creative art / ignore the rest of the world on the false premise that they're not good/interesting/relevant enough (both of these). It's like instead of broadening horizons for the whole world by actually being inclusive they're (willfully?) doing the exact opposite.
I started reading LOTR when I was a child, it’s been some 20 years since. I am Mexican so needless to say, I am not white, but never, not even once I thought, “why aren’t there any brown skinned elves?” In a world where there are dwarves, elves, tree people, orcs, huge impossible towers, and magic I think it takes a sick mind to see the halls of Khazad-dûm, and think “hey, why aren’t any of these dwarves black?”
The world Tolkien created more than 80 years ago has endured the current of time like no other, it was influential like no other and it is close to so many peoples’ hearts that it’s no wonder everyone is taking it so seriously. We as fans of Tolkiens work, had this niche away from The Message that stood strong like the White Tower of Echtelion from the forces of Mordor, but unlike in that story, in our story nothing can escape the darkness
Your very much correct, not just a sick mind though, evil ones also.
equally though, why is it such a big deal when they do introduce non-white people.
@@blahbleh5671 Because it's prehistoric Europe, not modern day Detroit
I dont get why there is such a need to get X skin color, as a south american I never felt offended Hollywoods characters, even when movies and series get diverse I'm still left out and i dont care, some people still believe that latino means mexican, or colombian (or whatever country is hot at the moment)
@@blahbleh5671 because its based on white europeon folklore, thats why
christ, we are unbearably lucky that Peter Jackson's trilogy came out back in 2001-03.
Actually nerds ragged against the changes he made from the books on Usenet forums.
@@ANTIStraussian They still are.
@@reidmason2551 incels gonna incel
@@ANTIStraussian There's never going to adaptation of any medium to any medium that will have 100% approval of existing fans. Purist will find fault in anything. But I knew one such purist, he still went to see every single LotR movie several times, because quote: "They are good movies".
Peoples were raging just as much about Peter Jackson on the internet than they are about this now.
Eowyn's character wasn't a warrior woman for female empowerment, it was to highlight her plight as a (highborn) woman confined within her domestic expectations while she watched her male loved ones risk their lives and even die in battle.
In other words, she had a great backstory and believable lead up in why she joined the battle at Pelannor fields. And it wasn't because she was a bad ass strong woman. She was dying inside.
probly felt bad for the grima years
She was a strong woman, but not in the shallow mindless way Hollywood Disney and Amazon understand it.
She is clearly very afraid of the battle to come when she is assembled with the other warriors of Rohan, but she pushes on anyway. She took the risks of disobedience, combat, bringing a Hobbit who could be a liability along because he shares similar motives and reasons to hers for wanting to fight, she choses to fight the witch king knowing it could very well be the last decision of her life
She was strong because despite all this, she had the bravery and determination to do it, but it never meant everything was gonna be easy or that she wouldn't be quaking in her boots in the moments before the battle
That's what these big companies fail to understand about strong women. Its not that they can beat and outsmart everyone, it's that they'll rise to the challenge with whatever skills and qualities they have, despite all that holds them back. Kicking ass should be earned, not your default persona
And when people critique LotR, the creators don't say, "You only hate it because you're sexist!"
Well your description sounded like a bad ass strong woman to me.
Even for men that can be applied as a quality.
I guess what is noble and timeless value such as love/desire to protect are universal traits that everyone can identify themselves with.
“- Gimli: It's true you don't see many Dwarf-women. And in fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance, that they are often mistaken for Dwarf-men.
- Aragorn: It's the beards...
- Gimli: And this in turn has given rise to the belief that there are no Dwarf-women, and that Dwarves just spring out of holes in the ground! Which is, of course, ridiculous.”
Tolkien’s son dedicated his life to his fathers work, and rightfully protected it from disgusting cash grabs.
And of course, the minute he kicks the bucket, the rest of the descendants aka”The Tolkien Estate” sell out.
Disgusting!
Yep. That was inevitable. The Tolkien Estate greed, whoever "they" are, just saw dollar signs (pound signs?) and just the principles of the Tolkien family, and good people in general, get flushed down the toilet.
@@spasjt At least they limited the material to the second age.
@@Mitjitsu Doesn't make me feel better. They have the rights, or at least partial rights, and will never let them go.
@@Mitjitsu Thats the weird part. Amazon doesn't have the rights to The Silmarillion which describes the events of the second age in part 4 so they basically wrote some fan fiction and called it LoTR.
Woke culture destroys EVERYTHING it touches...
"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made." - J.R.R Tolkien
Hey we got the same profile pic
This describes pretty much the hacks who "write" this show. Sauron's mental spawn.
@No Name England has literally dozens of myths
@No Name ever heard of King Arthur?
Well sad.
Im an arab, I would love if the representation of my people in movies would be more than taxi drivers and terrorists, but that doesnt mean that the story or the established lore has to suffer. The part of middle earth Tolkien describes is based on medieval europe and these people were white. No discussion. If you want to diversify the cast, just set your story in the east, the easterlings are basically arabs/persians and there is a group called the "black numenors" guess what they look like? Dont change the lore because you are to lazy to think of an own world and an own story...
And to the people saying " but in lotr the arabic and dark skinned looking people are "bad guys" ...as you said, is based on medieval europe, guess who was trying to invade medieval europe and did manage with a portion of it for some centuries? Like, imagine saying the movie 300 is racist because the persians are the bad guys. People forget that through history every big culture has been the invasor at one point as well as the invaded. And usually when the story is from the perspective of the invaded, the invasors are the "bad guys". The point is we should be capable of watching those things and conclude everyone was the "bad guy" to someone at some point, but, most of the time, it was centuries ago so we should not let it affect how we treat each other today.
Black Númenóreans where white, haha. They were called that because they fell to evil
@@nessyness5447 I mean 300 WAS vaguely racist in that sense though. It portrayed Spartans as a wholly noble culture and Persians as irredeemably evil.
The movie just lifted the comic to the screen though so this one is on Alan Moore.
How come the Arabs don't make blockbuster movies themselves?
@@AndrewThoesen because the spartans were the main characters and it was from their point of view, if it had been from the pov of the persians then the greeks would have been the bad ones . it was not a historical documentary.
I am a Brazilian Black woman, from the first time I touched LOTR I was absolutely hooked - watched the movies countless times - read all books in Portuguese and English know all the movie lines by heart. And now even once I had the "need" or desire to see a millennial black Frodo or an Asian Galadriel or whatever. LOTR is a story about good versus evil, and how a relatively simple 'pawn' and his friends can make a difference in the world; the beauty of the story is that it can resonate with anyone out there, the love story of Aragorn and Arwen, the strength and loyalty of Eowyn, the friendship and bravery of the hobbits. For me it is just crazy that Hollywood can't see or understand that and needs to diminish everything to a black vs white / men vs woman conflict. I won't be watching this one just like I couldn't finish the Hobbit unnecessarily long trilogy . Better stick to the original sometimes. There are a ton of black, asian and other authors of great fiction out there, nothing but hypocrisy is stopping Hollywood from adapting their stories and characters instead of just swapping existing ones.
As a Brazilian Black woman you shouldn't comment aboot subject matters which aren't for you.
@@reek4062 awwn calm down orc.
@@reek4062 Oh she should. We are fighting identitarian ideologues here. A black Brazilian woman ´saying nazi white fragility supremacist` things shortcuts their brains.
A white European like myself will only strengthen their worldview. Not that I will stay silent as many do, but more power to Brazilian black women who know whats up. Europe, its essence, is under attack.
I for one love your comment Sic
@@reek4062 And why not? What does race, ethnicity, gender or all the other superficial crap have to do with simply enjoying a goddamn franchise?
@@reek4062 shut up reek, did Ramsay pull out yo di-.
“It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like.”
- Lindsey Weber, E.P. Amazon's LOTR Series, Vanity Fair (Feb. 2022)
"There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves."
- Peter Jackson, Interview with GreenCine (Dec. 2002)
These showrunners would screw up adapting "Old McDonald's Farm" into a TV series, pandering to Twitter twits by gender-swapping chickens to roosters and cows to bulls, and race-swapping brown cows to Frisian cows. EIEIO would probably end up being a racial slur, too.
The same lazy garbage they always roll out. It's completely meaningless.
This is perfect.
What amazing contrast. Wild.
Welp... I'm out. Don't think it sounds promising.
I think you should've pointed out the same casting problem in the Witcher: the show had minorities cast as people based on European cultures in a story written by a Pole in Polish.
Yeah that pulled me out of the Witcher.
And barely any Polish people were actually hired for Netflix Witcher. That’s as insulting as making a story about some Native American tribe and refusing to hire any actual indigenous people. Does Netflix have prejudice against Polish people or something?
Apparently nobody would ever want to even watch an African story regardless of who was in it, so they have to shoehorn Africans into strictly European stories.
@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight There were two Polish actors hired and not a single one appeared in more than one episode.
@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight Of course not, Poles are white so Netflix doesnt care about them.
I really dislike that image of Galadriel with the sword and armour. It's appalling disservice to an amazing character. In the books and film trilogy you don't doubt for a second her power and presence. The way she commands respect from elves, dwarves, men and wizards. She's an absolute force and she's at times rather frightening. Makes it believable that the enemy would fear her. Obviously writers today don't have any kind of nuance so in order to portray that strength she has to be an action hero like Wonder Woman.
her power were more like radiation you knew she was affecting you but you could n t do something(look what she done to gimli)...alot more scary than a real threat you can do something about...she is supposed to be on part with sauron how could that happenin a fight with a sword ( you get star wars jedi scene ) that is not tolkien
Lord of the Rings is incredibly diverse in its own right: men, elves, dwarves, orcs, eagles, hobbits, ents and all sorts. No need to lay the real world's twisted version of diversity on top of that rich tapestry.
The diversity thing is honestly really hard for me to understand. I would never want to see a movie based on African myth get a bunch of white actors pigeon-holed into the cast.
It's easy to understand, you just have to look at it from a racist, anti-white angle.
It doesn't add up because the issue is not diversity, it's whiteness.
And you wouldn't see anything like that, because "diversity" in practice really only means leeching off or shitting on what white people have already created.
Luckily Africa is being taken over by the Chinese, so in a few decades white actors portraying Africans won't be so stark in differences.
"Diversity" is purely a nice way of saying "less white people". That's it's de facto definition. And that's not really debatable. lol
"We're Amazon, and we'd rather spend a billion dollars bringing you bastardized versions of the most beloved fantasy series in the modern era than give our employees a toilet to sit on."
well said 😂
Literally true!
Very true! They send out press releases saying they had no idea that their drivers were pissing into bottles due to not being able to take breaks, while two months before they'd secretly issued memos to the same drivers telling them to stop pissing in bottles and messing up the trucks.
😂😂😂😂😂
I mean, priorities right. 😁
I was screaming "EXACTLY" into the air about every 5 seconds while watching this, my neighbours are probably concerned lol. You summarised the entire thing perfectly, and more. Thank god for you and this vid.
5:57
Jackson disrespected the lore.
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Absolutely! They should just create their own world, instead of destroying Tolkiens world 😒
Imagine the arrogance of people claiming they are pursuing a side of Middle Earth that Tolkien never talked about.
He created this, so if he didn't talk about it, it didn't happen.
To be fair, he did die before he could write down everything he wanted leaving Christopher to finish it for him.
But the idea the reactionary Catholic had anything in common with what these subversives want is beyond delusional.
Correct!
They spout the same ''death of the author'' bullshit as always. The fact is Tolkien was a Catholic traditionalist and would never support any of this.
That's a bit narrow minded. So long as it respects the lore (which this doesn't) and doesn't mess with Canon (which this does), other stories could be told.
You are amazing, drinker.
Pro tip for Amazon: if you want to adapt a book with an 8th to 12th grade reading level, put people with that skill level on the project so they can actually read and comprehend it
I’d say that was a burn, but that was a full on napalm strike
Well said mate 👍, absolutely correct.
lmao, seen this comment on a few channels-still true
They don't have many of those in LA
That burn destroyed the one ring 😫 damnnn
It's funny, I didn't see them "diversify" black panther! Great point sir! Thank you for this video!
there is diversity in black panther. there is virtually 0 diversity in LOTR.
@@cristianmuresan1723 how is hobbit , dwarfs , elves , men , orc and talking trees not diverse ?
@@RealRagnar816 it’s diverse for middle earth not for actors in real life portraying a fictional story.
@@cristianmuresan1723 exactly so it’s diverse so stfu 👍🏻
@@cristianmuresan1723 in terms of color false and in terms of culture also false. Tolkein was against destroying escapism, so the world he created should be kept separate from the world we have. Inside that world you have all kinds of diversity, and I don't think he would appreciate us putting a modern interpretation on the work that was written decades ago. If the standards of today is the basis of all our judgment that nothing is ever going to add up that isn't current.
As a Latina I can just say that if people want more cultural representation that's fine, but do works from people of said cultures, it's the most normal way of portraying accurate depictions of race and cultural issues into mainstream. Instead of just adding the token minority to a work it just doesn't fit.
Maybe a bit controversial on my part but they're acting as if Nordic, celtic and pre Christian pagan Europe culture doesn't exist and should be punished for being... Caucasian.
As a Latina you should give me a tantra massage and then clean my house, instead of commenting on matters you have no knowledge aboot.
Uh...sorry to correct you there, but caucassus mountain is in asia...and caucassian is asian. Those hack doctor whom stated european as a caucassian clearly does not know geography...much like columbus.😂
Same
Right, and why this desire to get involved and change the mythology of everything related to what is Caucasian?
Yup i feel this way - a swede.
"Maybe a bit controversial on my part but they're acting as if Nordic, celtic and pre Christian pagan Europe culture doesn't exist and should be punished for being... Caucasian."
"Evil cannot create, only corrupt."
~ Tolkien
I’m starting to believe these bots that are constantly posting the same links and responses are the left.
Damn. That's solid.
Oooooof. That's epic
Well played
Says the guy who wrote an evil character who created a ring with all his evil in it.
"There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of men for this treachery."
- J. R. R. Tolkien
I love how eloquent Drinker’s fans are. Makes for a legitimately thoughtful corner of CZcams. Cheers 🍻
I’m Latino, and never once did I wonder, why are there no Mexicans in this. Cause I understood this was supposed to be medieval Europe and stuff. And I only really cared about the awesome characters.
I love how the Smoke-Screen is seen through now and less and less people
are even held back by silly idea 'You criticize a movie that has non-white actors in it?!
Youre RACIST-AS-FLUFF!!'
Agree
then you should have no problem with europe wanting to remain white
As an Indian, I never wondered why can't we have brown superheroes. I just focused on what the superheroes stood for in terms of their character and principles. And how they handled the issues. I don't get why the world is regressing more as the society is becoming better and focusing on things like skin colour and gender.
@@rileybobbert6527 And there it is. It always has to be a nutcase from one end of the extreme. The extremes on both sides, one which you obviously belong to, are disgusting. I pity you.
"Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt."
There's a reason why they don't write their own movies and TV shows.
2:04: Well, but isnt it?
I'm totally calm about all this but still have to ask: Isnt it?
Isnt it what was so predictable that you, Drinker, made a video about those exact predictions, months ago?
Critics: Criticism!
Immature Geniusses: Youre ALL Se-ist and R-cist, thats why you dont like it!
Critics: Nice Smoke-Screen but
it totally doenst work.
Especially not after we saw this non-argument used multiple times.
No, we are not any of these things and no, you will not be able to deflect Criticism with B.S and Accusations,
Strawmans, non-arguments, insults, and more.
Playing fast and loose with the word, "evil", aren't you?
@Theseus you're kind of right, leftist George Lucas can't write for shit
@@loturzelrestaurant tbf alot of criticism from them is hypocritical sexism and racism so it's fair to call a kettle black and a duck a duck
Those activist are the reason every fandom should gatekeet as hard as they can
What makes me so mad about this is the fact they don't understand a single thing about what they're even doing. Like, black dwarves is the most stupid thing you could have possibly done. Let's just ignore the explosive diarrhera aimed all over the lore in this series for a moment. Dark skin pigmentation forms as an exposure to sunlight. Meanwhile, Dwarves go most of their lives living INSIDE A MOUNTAIN! Some never even see the sun in their entire life.
I'm so done with this series. It's dead on arrival, and I'm actually very glad the fandom doesn't sit by and demolishes this garbage left and right.
Brown brazilian here. It was always clear to me that the themes Tolkien liked to work with were derived from european identity, history, culture and RACES, and I never once had a problem with that. In fact, I think it's quite lovely that Tolkien would go to such lenghts to provide value to his culture and people. I wish I could do the same for my people. Yet those in cinema nowadays seem to assume that people like me are unable to enjoy something of european origin. Why? Who told them that?
Honestly, it seems to me they just hate white people, their own people, which makes them disgusting to me.
It's everywhere, like on billboards commercial you can see white blonde woman with black guy 99% of time. It just looks stupid
Well said.
@@sanelb1147
Forced diversity has the opposite result.
The problem is the instigators of all this only look White, but aren't.
@@stephennicholas1590 that my friend is exactly what happens...in fact in builds and create feels stronger in the opposite
"We had no interest in putting our messages into this movie. But we thought we should honor Tolkien by putting his messages into it. "
- Peter Jackson, Interview with Charlie Rose (2002)
Hot damn
Ummmmmmmmm excuseeee meeee sweaty, but Peter Jackson is a WHITE MALE?!?! Educate yourself. Do better please. If the Hobbits dont look like a UN panel, then the show is explicitly racist as all white people are racist.
I don't understand why people force diversity? No wonder the shows here now sucks your souls.
Edit: Grammar
Peter Jackson should have our eternal gratitude. Not only did he create a timeless masterpiece that respected the original vision of a long celebrated author, but he also bent the knee to lead a corporate-driven "sequel" trilogy in terrible conditions just so the production wouldn't be pulled from New Zealand, resulting in thousands of jobs saved. We don't deserve him.
@@martymcfly88mph35 Jesus, I could actually hear the blue haired Peter Griffin screeching that as I read it
Completely agree. Instead of writing in darker skinned characters as the Haradrim from the south, they took the lazy route and decided to rewrite Tolken's work.
‘The casting should always be appropriate to the setting’. Perfect one liner.
As a young black man it wasn't a big deal to me that there wasn't a black character in LOTR. I'm convinced I never even noticed it as many times as I've watched it. I can assure the majority of black people don't give two figs about such things. Not to mention there's plenty of other movies that represent black people. Off the top of my head I can think of Shaft, Blade, Kunta Kinte. Even when I first saw Storm in X-Men I never thought "oh shit look a black powerful female superhero" i just thought "oh shit she controls the weather, that's pretty cool"
And as a brown man I am with you.
Never ever noticed it.
Well said.
As a white dude I never gave a damn if a film had an all-black cast, because for me the point is the story. Great storytelling and acting touch my soul, whatever color the characters happen to be.
Shawshank Redemption is widely regarded as one of the greatest films, and the fact that Morgan Freeman is a black dude and Tim Robbins is a white dude is the least important thing about the story. That film reminds me what it means to be HUMAN, not a skin color, and that’s a very beautiful thing.
exactly
Storm was always one of my favorite xmen and she looked nothing like me. I just thought she was badass, beautiful and she controlled the freaking weather. Wolverine was another favorite because well he’s Wolverine. I never needed any characters from movies, comics or games to look like me. They were just pretty cool and had great stories, character developments, and struggles. That’s how I thought when I was a kid and as an adult I still don’t need any character from anywhere to look like me. I just want to enjoy something that keeps me entertained and lets me escape from reality for a bit. I’ve always said, everyone doesn’t need to be represented in everything.
You never noticed it because you’ve been conditioned to see white as default.
Imagine Tolkien's son, who hated the Peter Jackson films, seeing what his fathers work is being turned into.
Yes - Christopher's death is what hurts most
Imagine his reaction to the Hobbit movies. I'm sure his death triggered a bunch of changes within the Amazon creative group, probably the diverse casting was one of those changes
@@normis6620 *gender fluid Hobbits on puberty blockers or spells that result in exactly the same result...yeah, that's what Tolkien had in mind all along*
Considering for how much he sold LOTR I would imagine it wouldn't be the biggest nerve attack in his life
Why did he hate the Peter Jackson films?
I told myself before this was all released that if they put in a black elf I wouldn't watch the show because that basically tells me all I need to know about the ideology of the creators. But damn I wish I hadn't guessed right.
"... or the Rohanians ride into battle on the back of Harley-Davidsons - actually, that's pretty f*cking awesome!"
I fell off my chair and I am still rolling on the floor laughing at the idea 🤣🤣🤣 and the sad thing is: that would have made this disastrous show a lot better!
Christopher Tolkien died in January of 2020. The Rings of power started production in February of 2020. Considering Amazon bought the rights to lotr and hobbit in 2017, it's pretty obvious Christopher was preventing a lot of their crap ideas from going through. The second he died they had free reigns and now they have the audacity to release this show on the day J.R.R. Tolkien died. Fucking pathetic corporate greed.
Agree with this 100%.
let's just boycott them.
Christopher was a known advocate of his father's work. He did NOT allow anyone and everyone to use LOTR/Hobbit. Which is why up until this series, the LOTR content we've gotten, movies and video games, have all been at the very least good, and in some cases incredible.
This show spits in everyone's face.
@@waketp420 I would posit the Shadow of Mordor WB video games were not good, at least in the sense of reflecting Tolkien's themes (they were fine action games). And notoriously the second one gave Shelob a sexy human female form because why not make a canonically eldritch monster sexy. Oh, also Celebrimbor, who was canonically selfless and kind, is now cruel and all about ends justifying means. It's just super bizarre how non-Tolkien these ostensibly LotR games feel.
Somehow they got made in 2014/2017!
@@danielmaxson4287 Lego Lord of the Rings was a good game
“Calling someone or something racist in 2022 is a bit like remarking on the weather.”
I shouldn’t be laughing as hard as I am at this line. Brilliant.
Oh, come on, BLM turned US all Racist...
@@randyross5630
More like they committed mass tax fraud. And exposed what racists actually looked like.
Yes, you should be, because it's an unfortunate fact that anyone with half a brain could easily laugh at cynically xD
@@WyvrnOnYT Which is ironically just as racist, if not more so than the definition they think it is.
@@NathanCassidy721 Exactly. I don't believe that they are intentionally being racist but that just means they are dumb
Bro the bit where you said introduce other factions (like the Haradrim) and explore their relations towards Gondor, that was brilliant. That makes a great show right there.
"Changing and overwriting the world that someone else created to make it fit with what you want it to be"
EXACTLY
“We wanted to adapt the book Tolkien never wrote.”
We know - that’s the problem.
If only they know how to respect Tolkien's world, they would understand the possibilities what they talk about are endless, but it seems more and more clear that these guys are not Peter Jackson.
Lewis also liked what Tolkien wrote, but saw things rather differently. What did he do? He wrote a different novel, telling a different story.
Narnia also had elves, witches, sylvan creatures, but was a fantasy story according to Lewis ideology and creed.
He and Tolkien were friends, all was well.
@@BBBrasil Exactly. You can be influenced by other ideas while still making something new.
Tolkien fans, we will endure and get through this. Them hating Tolkien and his works has nothing to do with us. They're deeply sad people who hate themselves and want to spread the misery.
They will not rest until the franchise is burned to an empty, ashen husk. Then they'll move on to the few bastions left.
Plus we don’t have to accept this new stuff as Canon. Just believe it to be Fanfiction that Hollywood was so desperate to accept now that they are creatively bankrupt.
tiny hats hate whites, they don't consider themselves "us" so they aren't self hating in wanting to erase us.
Oh I'll get through this all right, by not watching this garbage because support garbage I do NOT.
No time for kiddie drama lol, I'll just watch the Jackson's trilogy again when I get the LOTR itch, it's that simple.
Ironically, I think this is what Tolkien himself meant when he said he was a pessimist, who didn't believe in progress and that everything trended towards decline and that an ongoing theme of his Legendarium was that each subsequent age of Middle Earth was distinctly lesser than the previous one, with magic more or less dying out from Middle Earth by the end of the Third Age
As Kirov airship, i am deeply offended that they didn't include any airships to this show
Makes me really wish more great works got such quality adaptations but really that trilogy is such a unicorn perfect storm of passion and respect and reverence that even with the right casting and an unlimited budget it would be hard for anything else to stack up. It really was a once in a lifetime project, it's extremely humbling and awe inspiring
Imagine the levels of arrogance and narcissism it must take to think that you could do it better than Tolkien.
They think just being less white makes it better.
This is TURTH ^
Well they are communists and real communism hasn't been tried yet!
It's D&D all over again, I was disappointed that they weren't going to do the Silmarillion but now I'll disappointed for so many other things
Amazon is the worlds Mordor after all...
“We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves.” -Peter Jackson
which afaik isn't entirely accurate, is it? unless I'm mistaken, the role of Arwen was deliberately expanded for the initial movies. and the whole love triangle etc. didn't exist in the original "Hobbit" books at all (although with these films, iirc A LOT of stuff has been added to pad out the runtime)
@@xxxaragon this is for the original trilogy, and the arwen stuf is a matter of avoiding character blotting
God damn.
@@xxxaragon Comparing Arwen’s role in the PJ movies to Amazon’s intentional changing of the race of the actors out of spite, introducing dozens of anachronisms in the story, changing character’s entire personalities for the sake of cheap political pandering, etc. is reaching at its best.
It could be argued that Arwen's role was expanded to make better drama, not for any political message. A sausage fest might have worked in print, but on the screen some things have to change for it to be engaging.
Drinker, you made me dream today. I would love to read/watch that story of the people who allied with Sauron. What was so bad in the world order that they felt they would gain from Sauron being in power? Also, they seemed bad-ass!
I fucking love this channel. Purely analytical with non-judging bullshit politics behind it... Thank you creator dude
A giant point is being missed here. It is literally impossible to have different ethnicities in these settings all living together in the same community for hundreds or thousands of years without mixing together into one people. You can't just have a millenia-old society of dwarves with Indians, Arabs, Asians and gingers all present there together, unless it's either implied that A) there was a lot of recent immigration that is never acknowledgeded in the worldbuilding, or B) they were segregated somehow.
Honestly this is a very shallow attempt by the writers to make fantasy mirror reality. That's perfectly fine but do it in ways that make sense rather than just plopping a Tesco supermarket down in the shire and never acknowledging it and getting baffled when people point out how it doesn't make any sense
Robert E. Howard understood this very well when he was writing about Conan and The Hyborian Age. But Liberals are not very smart.
@@Azraelseraphim Some people just think anywhere at any time should be like modern America.
This is what destroys these shows. It would be ok in a sci-fi setting but not in a medieval setting. But we all know why they are doing this a hatred of white people and there culture.
@@Azraelseraphim finally someone talks about howards brilliancy. If they want a tv show full of different races and strong female warriors, make a conan series. I would LOVE to see it. But leave the lotr and the witcher alone!
It's the same fucking thing game of thrones is doing. The first series had only white people because it's suppose to be a fantasy version of the UK. But now with the new spin off these are black knights and kings. Why do they have to do this? When they make a fantasy Movie about crouching tiger hidden dragon there are no black people. Why this always a directive for every fucking story made. Tyler perry movies and all the other black busters are 99% black and those are fine. Why do all other movies force having black people. We really need representation for a fantasy movie?
I was one of the extras on LOTR supplied by the NZDF between fun trips to the tropics. When we were selected for our roles as extras it came down to this, if you were fair skinned you were Gondorian, if you were fair skinned and could ride a horse you were Rohirrim and if you were dark skinned you were an Orc. I wanted to be an Orc as it sounded like they had a lot more fun apart from laying in a field pretending to be dead for hours. At no point did any of us think racism was at work, its just what the roles called for.
The image of you pretending to be dead for hours gave me a much-needed chuckle. 👍 Filming isn't nearly as glamorous as we might think!
Also let's admit the orks are the most badass looking guys of the entire saga 🤟🏻
@@mattmoves5920 and an opportunity to wear prosthetics and makeup. Becoming a professional cosplayer for a while in short
I wouldve been great urukhai
Let's be real here, the Orks were *clearly* having the most fun out of everyone there.
I have only one thing to speak to them...
Respect the great work of Tolkien.
"You have my sword."
I want movies that take me away from reality, if I want messages and real life I'll go outside
Great point!! Movies, especially fantasy movies, do NOT have to reflect reality/our modern world!!
As a woman, I've never cared if I was represented in a film or book. In Harry Potter, I related more to Ron than Hermione because of how similar our lives were. In LOTR, I loved every second with Aragorn and agree everyone needs a Sam. In action films, I'm checking out the shirtless men being awesome and only care if the girls are cardboard cutouts as characters - but mostly I'm just absorbing the eye-candy and adrenaline rush. I hate it when they push men down to bring women up and rather have faithfulness to a good story rather than be 'represented'. If Hollywood understood this, they might have better income. As it is, I'm happy ignoring them.
Greetings fair maiden! Please allow me to ask...
doya hav a boifrend???
When I was a kid Sarah Conner was the badass hero I wanted to be like
My sentiments exactly.
Based
@@moserfugger6363 bruh
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.” - JRR Tolkien
Brilliant!
“The wise speak only of what they know” ― J.R.R. Tolkien
Most pertinent comment here.
That is a scarily accurate description of the "inclusivе" movie garbage from last years...
And they want the Flame Imperishable really badly.
I get so goddamn sick of hearing terms like "diversity" and "representation", in Hollywood and in any other setting as well. But when it comes to Hollywood, it should be meritocratic, just as everything else should be. If you're a good actor, you get roles, and if you're a shit actor, you don't, simple as that. The idea that having a straight person playing the role of a gay character, for example, being somehow "problematic" is absolutely absurd. The idea that having "too many white people" in a movie is hateful and discriminatory. The idea of "representation", the notion that you can't relate to a character unless that character is the same race, gender and sexuality as you, probably means that YOU are actually the "bigot". But most of all, the idea that escapist entertainment like movies should be used as a soapbox to preach at people and lecture people about some political narrative, especially one so hateful, divisive, discriminatory and destructive, is absolutely unacceptable. And therefore, until Hollywood gets it's collective head out of it's ass and gets back in their lane, gets back to doing what they are supposed to be doing, they'll never get so much as another dollar from me. Fuck them all, and fuck "THE MESSAGE". That is all.
I apreciate the time you took out of your life to write this comment! I loved it thanks
ikr, just like B. Cumberbatch getting the role of Turing. Even Turing's family was happy with his performance 😃
@@annabees I'm just picturing someone being offended because Benedict isn't gay, but overlooking the fact he doesn't have a genius level IQ either ;)
@@aceparable1 😂😂 They'd have trouble finding actors. Well, some geniuses love acting too now that we think about it 😂
if they want diversity why most directing jobs are white californian...
Galadriel remained a mysterious, powerful, pivotal figure in Middle Earth, respected by mortals and immortals alike on her own merits, for thousands of years. This action girl retcon seems to invalidate her original characterization. Was Tolkien's Galadriel not enough? Are women not valid unless they swing swords and act angry and brash? Was the stately, plotting, timeless Galadriel of boundless wisdom not an empowered women?
I hate the political retcons because they always seem to enforce the exact opposite message of what they want, that women must be more like the traditional masculine ideal in order to be powerful. Women can be strong in more ways than one, Eoywn, Galadriel, Luthien, and the female Valar are wonderful examples of this diversity. Tolkien knew this. It was enough to inspire me as a young girl and has stuck with me my whole life. Amazon's series is just insulting.
I'm white and love Akira Kurosawa's samurai films. Never have I wished he had cast white actors, or felt that I couldn't relate to the characters in his stories because they don't look like me. "Diversity" always means "fewer white people". It's just politically correct racism. True diversity means respecting differences, not turning everything into a packet of skittles.
One of my favorite movies "Seven Samurai". As a child i dreamed of being samurai. Even though all the actors were Japanese i never once thought "why didn't they use people from other ethnic backgrounds in their casting".
@@Joseph32547 Yeh and it was so good, others took the concept and we end up with the Magnificent Seven, and Battle Beyond the Stars. Thats the way to retell a story, not you know this Samurai film needs more Yul Brinner
@@Joseph32547 It's almost like they're singling out culture created by white people to be systematically altered and destroyed.
Those movies were all remade with white actors though set as westerns.
@@wingy200 Only white men as far as I can tell..
Tolkien wrote two times in his letters about the uprising in the East (where other ethnicities live) against Sauron, led by the Blue Wizards, that was key to actually defeating him. A perfect blank story with a potentially very diverse cast and a story genuinely important to the world, one that could actually expand upon it.
But no.
They'd rather destroy our culture. That's what they live for. And that's why I don't subscribe to Amazon, Netflix (they do the same thing with The Witcher), etc. I will never pay for wokeness.
Diverse casting is a bad thing. The customers don't need to see a certain actor for no other reason than they are a black person.
-bollywood. no diversity.
-SK films. No diversity.
-Anime. No diversity
-Chinese films. No diversity.
-Western nations?? No screen roles for white men (dont be antisemitic and call those who appear white, white) unless villains are needed.
The tribe is showing its true hatred and racism.
That would require them actually knowing something about the universe their adapting.
that would require the writers be able to come up with their own ideas that could fit in lotr which considering writers these days isn't gonna happen
You're assuming these people have actually read the lore
The scene where Gandalf grabs Marty and drives them back to 1985…. Did anyone else get chills like I did?
Tolkien's family should be ashamed. He would've never approved this nonsense
He wouldn't have approved the movies Peter Jackson made either
Would he respected Jackson for his efforts to stay true to the source material?
“… that’s not racism or sexism, that’s just reality”
Yeah critics don’t live there unfortunately
I love how the Smoke-Screen is seen through now and less and less people
are even held back by silly idea 'You criticize a movie that has non-white actors in it?!
Youre RACIST-AS-FLUFF!!'
And just in general, i wanna mention that Good-Faith Criticism becomes visibly more
Popular. Jay Exci's Criticism of Modern Doctor Who was so damn-good
that people commmented a lot "I havent even watched Doctor Who but this video? I watched it all!!"
Same comments were written for Madvocates The-Flash-Criticism-Essay, Critical Drinkers
videos about 'Why Modenr movies s-ck' and Hbomberguys Videos about
RWBY and Sherlock. (Yes, he did 2 Frnachises, cause he's a boss.)
@@nenmaster5218 why are you copy-pasting this comment?
Their usual mistaken premise is that they affirm some consensus among people, at least among tame peoples, concerning certain moral principles, and then conclude that these principles must be unconditionally binding also for you and me-or conversely, they see that among different peoples moral valuations are necessarily different and infer from this that no morality is binding-both of which are equally childish.
Friedrich Nietzsche
But if Middle Earth is supposed to portray Western Europe in the middle ages, how come there are potatoes there? I think it looks like we're obviously ok with introducing crops from the other side of the world to a largely Western European setting so why not people of different ethnicities as well?
@@paulallen579 because WE didn’t introduce those crops to middle earth. Tolkien did. Sorry, author calls the shots, not us.
Average Movie Goer: I never would've thought I'd die fighting by the side of a nerd
Tolkien fan: How about by the side of a friend?
Average Movie Goer: Aye...I could do that
_I understood that reference!_
Tolkien book lovers (seeing the woke mob coming for them): It is over.
Tolkien film fans: You said this franchise will never fall whilst you can defend it! We still defend it! Many have died defending it!
Tolkien book lovers: So much death...what can man do against such reckless hate?
Tolkien film fans: Ride out with me...ride out and meet them.
Tolkien book lovers: For death...for glory!
Tolkien film fans: For Tolkien...for your people!
Tolkien book lovers: The sun is rising...
Pro Tolkien YT channels: Look to our coming, at first light, on the fifth day. At dawn, look to the east.
Tolkien book lovers: Yes...Yes! The Horn of Helm Hammerhand will sound in the deep one last time! (Looks to the LoTR fans) This be the hour where we draw swords together.
* The woke mob screaming at the door and pushing themselves in to claim a safe space*
Tolkien book lovers: Fell deeds awake. NOW for wrath; for ruin AND THE RED DAWN. FORTH EROLINGAS!
Such a great moment
This comment is pure gold
*Fren
I finally showed The Fellowship of The Ring to my 14 year old cousin last night. Her first response? "It wasn't diverse enough. There were no black people and not enough women." wtf? More than a little disturbing hearing the internet's words come out of my cousins mouth. In turn I asked her how many black people there were in medieval Europe (where LOTR is set), and then told her my opinion of naturally occurring diversity in a movie vs forced diversity which is only there to tick the diversity box. I was glad that she could see my points, but the fact that the take away of a 14 year old girl from one of the all time greatest movies was a 'lack of diversity' makes me worry. It's something I never even considered as an 11 year old back in 2001, but all this stuff gets shoved down the throats of teenagers online today, that it's the first thing they think about. Pretty sad.
That is... a weird way to look at it. She wants to enjoy something with more diversity. Show her a fantasy epic with more diversity, she'll enjoy that better. Is taste too hard for you to understand?
oh no, you're poor niece is looking out for her fellow humans! the horror!
LotR is not set in medieval Europe. LotR are fantasy novels influenced by Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic mythology.
@@Sputterbugz How heroic of her. Give her a noble prize already. Seriously tho just cuz a show doesnt have black ppl that doesnt mean its racist. Otherwise 99% of all anime and bollywood movies would be considered nazi propaganda for not having POC in it lol. So would last airbender for that matter.
Unfortunately, this had to be expected. Look what they did with the Wheel of Time series. We may just have to relegate ourselves to just reading our favorite stories to avoid having them corrupted.
This show lost the minute the official Twitter account started implying fans were very very bad people if they didn’t like their show.
That tactic never ever works.
It lost me when they stated they wanted and thought it to be the next Game of Thrones, and next thing I know there's a damn intimacy coach and it was enough for me to go, okay i won't watch it, will stick with reading all the books again.
You mean it lost the moment it started to diversify
@@rilldineth Same. I knew it was a trainwreck in progress when Lord Bezos said the "next Game of Thrones" thing. Although I'll probably end up watching the show anyway, because I'm a fool for Tolkien content... or Tolkien-adjacent content, in this case.
Yeah, that type of banter by the creators is sort of a losers argument.
They're screwed and they know it. Netflix's stock has been tanking lately... and I think the company realizes it's fucked... and now this... and they realize it's even more fucked.
Glad I don't have NetFlix.
They can suck my balls.
I simply refuse to acknowledge Rings of Powers existence. I watch the movies and read the books and I left it at that and I’m all the happier for it
Drinker these are dark times, we need people like you to express our frustrations with modernity. Keep it up mate
Most of the problem with modernity is caused by losers who whine about modernity
Can everyone just chill out. The first full trailer hasn't even come out yet. OK so it might not be reverential to Tolkien. But it might be an awesome show. The hate for this show before it's even come out is feeling a little cult-like.
@@Timothy27778 they have to attack it because woman
@@Timothy27778 did you even watched the video?
Why do you use "dark" in a negative way?
I really appreciate the fact that you always give thoughtful, insightful, and creative suggestions to fix the criticisms you raise in your videos. It’s really easy to bitch and complain, but someone who provides solutions really cares. Good job, mate! 👍
Damn. It's honestly a shame that a few "museum pieces" you can find in Middle-Earth: The Shadow of War and a short battle scene from LotR are... almost all the exploration and representation that people of Middle-Earth's south-east get.
You know what's really embarrassing?
Spending a billion dollars on a dumpster fire and not being able to undo it, even if you're the wealthiest man in the world.
We've only seen a minute of it in a trailer though, we can wait and see if the show is actual garbage. If so, then we'll collectively drop a deuce on a billion dollar franchise.
it's just a money laundering scheme, Besos always wins until we literally raid amazon factories
@@marwanalshafei3862 No need. I'VE ALREADY SEEN ENOUGH.
@Robert Monroe Hasn't happened yet. His yacht is still being built in Rotterdam. Dutch residents have promised to egg it when it passes through the canal where the bridge stood.
@@spudeleven5124 egg it? Raid that MF like some Somali pirates. Just say it's for racial justice
I've been saying this but I'm gonna say this again.
As a Southeast Asian, growing up watching PJ's LOTR, I fell in love with the world of middle earth that I picked up the book which inspired me to be a writer.
Yet NEVER ONCE I felt the need to see a Southeast Asian or Asian character in the story because I could empathize with the characters just fine despite them not looking like me.
And as a non white, I find it incredibly insulting whenever Hollywood race swaps a character that is originally white to be Asian. What it's telling me is basically that my culture and my people are not worthy of telling OUR OWN story based on OUR OWN CULTURE. We don't deserve to portray characters that are actually more representative of our culture. All we deserve is to pretend to be a white. It reeks of White Supremacy to me, but even more sinister, as it masks itself as an ally who cares about our representation when they never cared. Why do I say it reeks of White Supremacy? It's like they want us to internalize racism and think that our own story or characters worth less than those popular white characters.
Because I'm Chinese, let's just use the Three Kingdom example. It's more historical than fantasy but the point I'll be making still stands. In the romance of the Three Kingdom, there's a character named Zhuge Liang, famed for his wisdom. So, imagine that instead of letting us tell this story about the Three Kingdoms and popularize it like LOTR, they silence us and force us to just participate in this Rings of Power series. Then, let's say that they cast an Asian actor for Gandalf, because diversity and because it's fantasy, it doesn't matter. I will take that as Hollywood saying "You, an Asian, would better think that Gandalf is better than Zhuge Liang. Why tell your own story and act as Zhuge Liang when you can be the more superior Gandalf from this mythology based on white people culture, because duh it's more superior than your own Three Kingdoms bullshit."
It reeks of laziness. It reeks of not actually wanting non whites to take center stage and present our own stories and culture and myths in a way as fantastical as LOTR. And even when they do adapt stories from our culture, they don't bother doing actual research and respect it, which is how we got that train wreck of a Mulan live action.
If they really cared, they'd let us, Asian writer or creatives take over and make a story or movie that's more authentic or respectful to our culture, that reflects our values. If they cared, they'd let us tell our own story, let our actors and actresses be characters that suit them better, than just hand them down an existing white character because we're supposed to think that white stories and characters are more superior that's why we have to want to be these characters instead of be our own non white characters.
Are we to submit to white people and just desire to be these white character - that we ought to be satisfied with a hand me down from white people because they don't care to make an original character for us based on our background?
Congratulations Hollyweird and SJW/woke twats. If having lots of non whites be happy with bare minimum is their agenda, it worked. If having us non whites striving to fill the shoes of an established white character instead of keeping our own pride to say no and demand we portray our own characters and stories was their goal, then good job bc it worked.
But not me. I will never let myself be swayed and satisfied with a half ass representation that do not feel genuine at all because all I get in the end is a white character that is just played by Asians like me aka an impostor at best, or an Asian trying hard to be white at worst.
Nice reading.Totally agree.I watched the series 3 kingdom's.It was pretty good.
*You already have Asian-based characters since the First Age of Endor, and Tolkien stated he based Rhun on Asia, too ~*
Wow. Well said and written.
Well said
@@teutonicheart2532 while I'm sure the Woke crowd have made up rules about this, I personally don't see the need to capitalize "white" when referring to white people. Is "white" really a race?? I mean, show me the country or region on a map that is labeled "White" or "Whiteland." Just like I don't think "black" should be capitalized when referring to black people.
Where capitalization makes sense is when you're referring to people based on where their heritage or race is actually from. African people are from Africa, Asian people are from Asia, Chinese people are from China, English people are from England, French people are from France, etc...
The descriptors "black" and "white" are just that...based on a biological trait caused by the evolutionary pressures of that part of the planet on which your ancestors lived.
That reverb and delivery on 'the message' is the highlight of every video for me xD Keep up the good content sir!
Black lady from Africa. I NEVER cared. I really never cared. Watched it multiple times with my brother and even as a kid I understood it as a historical film. You literally can't escape reality anymore 😭😭
"THE MESSAGE!"
This will never get old. I will probably look back when I will be old af, and whenever I will hear the legendary drinker say "The message!" I will do my own Jameson laugh with some nostalgia.
@fax Go away you disgusting spam bot
I got this sound as my SMS ring tone (Yes still use SMS instead of Whatsapp or "facebook") just because it is hilarious to hear
We have truly reached a dark age of cinema. We have the technical means to make everything we can imagine into a reality. And yet heartless reboots and strange politics are what are dominating current productions.
I'm so glad that the trilogy was made in just the right time.
its the same with video games (in the sense that video games are also decreasing in quality). it feels like the two industrys are going backwards
We really will never see another trilogy like lord of the rings in our lifetimes. We were fortunate to be alive when they were released.
@@jammygamer8961 Agreed my friend. So few games are released today that I even consider getting my wallet out for. Chalked full of woke trash and feminism. Keep voting with your wallet, I know I will. Been using the high seas to screen content to ensure I don't get tricked into buying something woke.
@@jammygamer8961 thats just a direct consequence of video games and fantasy going mainstream. whenever theres a lot of money involved and the audience mostly consists of normies with an average iq of under 100 points, this happens.
And I'm gald you are still here to cry about seeing a Black elf in "your" precious Middle Earth. Please call your mother and cry a little more about how they "ruined" it for you.
7:01 I like that you try to come up with a viable solution for including more ethnically diverse characters. In fact your suggestion is in a similar vain to all of the Star Wars cartoons and live-action shows, choosing to expand upon the universe, rather than retell the main story!
I loved when you referenced the Haradrim and Gondor conflict that was good point .
When she says “Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like” she’s completely lost the plot. Tolkien created Middle earth to revitalise the value of England having it’s own mythology, lots of things in his writings where inspired by Anglo Saxon, Celtic and Nordic folklore which would explain the lack of diversity. I’ve been a fan of his works since the age of eight, the lack of diversity in the movies never bothered me or even crossed my mind being a mix race person. Personally there’s nothing about the marketing getting me excited for this series in general, the Jackson trilogy is perfect and can’t ever be topped. ~Bobby Berro
How do you know it isn’t set in arda
@@michaelfaber9587 it is set in arda.
There is plenty of diversity between different races of Europeans. Stop white washing everyone with light skin to be the same race. My family is all Slavic and we are very different from Anglo-Saxon British or Germans
Tolkien's work would reflect blah blah blah... I am just thinking "No shit Sherlock."
Beautifully said.
The sad irony of a literary love letter to the simpler pre modern life, getting muddled up with a bunch of post modernist crap is heartbreaking.
Right in the money!!!!! The best explanation I've heard so far. I agree with every single word you said. I'd love tye exploration of tue other regions issues with Gondor. That was a great idea! Love your videos. Have a great day man.😎💪
except his reasoning is based in a worldview of scandinavia and the vikings as a white-only population, and that's never been the case. It's common knowledge today that middle-eastern peoples migrated both willingly and unwillingly throughout europe (through UK and the nordic countries). Tolkien may have envisioned a white-only story, but Tolkien was wrong. And ultimately it doesn't even matter because middle earth isn't real; fixating on a white-only middle earth makes no sense.
@@cristianmuresan1723 that's a good point. Take the show Vikings Valhalla, where a woman originating from Africa became Jarl of a city. 👍
I really do hope that the second season of ROP focuses on the lands of Harad, Rhun, and Khand. I've always wanted to see the peoples of those lands fleshed out, and to explore the context behind their allyship with Sauron. Also, it seems quite in line with a sentiment expressed in the novel (and extended edition) of Two Towers. When Frodo and Sam witness the battle between the Gondorian Rangers and the Haradrim, it saddens Sam to see Men at war with Men, and it makes him wonder about the history and motivations of the Southrons' serving an evil Lord. I thought that was really hinting at the potential for further world-building regarding Sauron's Men. Also, The Two Towers movie explicitly depicts Saruman rousing the Dunlendings to war against Rohan because the Rohirrim apparently took the Wild Men's homeland for themselves and drove the native "people into the hills to scratch a living off rocks." It seems to me that the Dunlendings clearly have a valid grievance against Rohan that motivated them to side with the forces of evil. Furthermore, I'd be really interested to see what the Variags of Khand are like. Literally all Tolkien says about them is that they're Men from Khand who fought for Sauron in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. (Well, outside of LOTR, it's also known that they fought against Gondor alongside the Wainriders and Haradrim earlier in the Third Age). What do the Variags look like? What kind of culture do they have? What is their history of animosity towards Gondor? If you're reading this, Amazon, see if you can flesh out the answers to these questions.
One of the most interesting aspects of the LOTR movies was the distinctions in cultures. Elves, Humans, Dwarves and even hobbits all had a different look to them. Having Galadriel with braided hair and Elrond with short hair doesn’t help with that continuity. Their hair is the biggest indicator into knowing who is an elf and human. If it wasn’t labeled who this character was, I would think she was just a human in armor.
Yep, also why on gods earth does that "dwarf" not have a beard. Whats next dwarven sobriety.
I didn't see the label and literally thought she was a human... 😅😂
@@lordjj2549 If they introduced female dwarves but with a five o clock shadow, I wouldn’t mind as much. As long as it’s consistent. Nothing is consistent in these pictures, which is so irritating.
@@KerrxLaeda hahahah
they are fictional characters, who cares
As a black man who thoroughly enjoyed the trilogy as a teen, I too feel that random race swaps amongst the characters breaks the immersion and truth to the "lore" of this literature. When I come to enjoy and digest the creativity of work like this, I find the beauty of the story lies within how DIFFERENT the story and narrative is from my own background, and I always have a lot to learn from the cultural differences laced within the story. That being said, there are plenty other places to find more westernized tales. Why change the narrative of an already established, and considerably historic work of art? This does nothing to broaden the horizons of people new to the story, and honestly its gonna have a taste too familiar to what we've seen before in other "one size fits all" movies imo.
That's a very interesting take! Thank for sharing 🙏
My thoughts exactly. It's as though, if the creators of this series and its ilk had their way, every single story ever made would be outwardly indistinguishable. A homogeneous mass all espousing the same homogeneous themes. There's some irony in the idea that, in the pursuit of greater diversity, the uniqueness of each individual work is eroded away to nothing.
Very well said. They're clearly motivated by money rather than telling a soul captivatingly beautiful story.
Because they are so narrow-minded and talentless to actually create anything good themselves.
@@twinkybirky1291 I love how the Smoke-Screen is seen through now and less and less people
are even held back by silly idea 'You criticize a movie that has non-white actors in it?!
Youre RACIST-AS-FLUFF!!'
And just in general, i wanna mention that Good-Faith Criticism becomes visibly more
Popular. Jay Exci's Criticism of Modern Doctor Who was so damn-good
that people commmented a lot "I havent even watched Doctor Who but this video!? I watched it all!!"
Same comments were written for Madvocates The-Flash-Criticism-Essay, Critical Drinkers
videos about 'Why Modenr movies s-ck' and Hbomberguys Videos about
RWBY and Sherlock. (Yes, he did 2 Frnachises, cause he's a boss.)
Honestly at this point books are the only place you can quality stories free from agendas and other nonsense, adaptations have to go through so many stages, meet the approval of so many people, it's so difficult to do them justice. Shitty companies like Disney have straight up mandates where they won't produce a series, no matter how well it's written, if it doesn't check enough "diversity" boxes
Thanks for this video man!, you put into words what iv been feeling
When it was leaked that Amazon fired the LotR Lorekeeper the *second* Christopher Tolkien died, everyone knew this would suck.
Everyone should learn about the new “expert” they brought on... An arrogant, hateful, toxic activist. It’s doomed.
What is her name? People keep mentioning her, but nobody actually mentions her
@@fasiistyrer Mariana Rios Maldonado 😉
She is an “Equality and Diversity Officer for Fantasy”. A position people get paid for, apparently.
Should tell everyone (besides for woke morons) all they need to know about this situation.
I love that the diverse casting never includes latin americans, native americans or middle easterns, its basically adding as little as possible to seem progressive, and applying it in the most half baked way possible.
No it’s just those people are more white passing and therefore not subversive enough
Also no Asians cause they're only the punching bag of diversity based on modern movies
"Diversity" is basically replacing white people with black people
@@DukeJon1969 This
I still scratch my head over this 'diversity' casting thing. Didn't it used to be called 'tokenism'.
Love your reviews. Once again you've nailed it on the head.
When George RR Martin was asked why the slaves in GOTR were dark skinned he responded "when you film in Morocco and you ask for help, you get Moroccans". Now im paraphrasing that quote, but i think it gets the point across.
I'm only going by the pictures revealed so far, but another issue is that the series seems to be all about Brave Young People (TM), whereas LotR included wise elders, hardened warriors who have been around and seen too much, etc. Really tired of everything being all about twenty-somethings, who are about the last ones I'd want to put in charge of the world.
Well…technically, this story is about the race of elves, thousands of years before the events in the Hobbit. The elves live thousands upon thousands of years, so it’s not too much of a stretch to have them be young
You can also bet that they won't act as adults, but as petulant children.
Brave Young People look better naked. Don't forget there's an intimacy coordinator!
Spend ten minute and actually research what the show is going to be about. It won't kill you.
@@AlanDantes76
You didn't even watch this video did you?
The Lord of the Rings family has lost one of its beloved members. A few days ago Richard Mathews passed away. He was 3rd AD for the original films and I worked with him for four years. We affectionately called him 'Richard The 3rd' and his primary role was to direct the hordes of extras on set.
I was very proud to serve in Richard The 3rds army. We all loved him like a brother and I know that many an orc, uruk, Gondorian, hobbit, elf, Dunlending, Easterling and Rohirim will be having a quiet ale and sharing tales of his exploits.
"So wise so young, they say do never live long."
Richard III; Act 3, scene 1
Please tell me that the fable is true. That they ran out of tall guys in New Zealand for the Uruk Hais and had to bring in regular sized dudes. They made smaller armor for them and called them the "Uruk Lows". Because that story never gets old. :-)
@@lonnieeastin6401 I’m tall but I’m black but it’s like lemme play an Uruk just put makeup on my face or some shit idk
@@047Kenny With that kind of handle, I'm sure you are. :-) Actually, I think most of the Uruk Hais were tall black dudes. I'm just a little over 5 feet and white. So, I would definitely be a Uruk Low. BTW. Uruk Hai... I love that for you! Next Halloween, rock it out. Or go to work as a Uruk. Nobody will say anything.
@@lonnieeastin6401 I can tell you that the race of the extra played no part in being an uruk. We wore helmets with foam face pieces and our eyes where ringed with dark make up if we had light skin.
@@carlmanvers5009 Wow! I am glad that I know that now. Those movies are my favorite of all time! Also, I didn't think New Zealand had that many black dudes. So, that makes sense. I'm pretty sure the first Uruk (that killed Boromir) was a black guy. Or really good makeup... Which can be said about the entire trilogy. Best makeup _ever_. Won't be matched. I can't think of a movie that can step to it. Just my humble opinion. I am glad that I heard from someone in the know. Thank you, Carl Manvers.
Thanks for the good video, just subscribed to your channel. Looking forward to seeing more of your content.