MADISON SQUARE GARDEN: A SUPER QUICK HISTORY // Will Madison Square Garden Move? A MSG Documentary
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- In this All Sports History video we'll look back at the four different venues that have been called Madison Square Garden over the years, as well as why is it called Madison Square Garden?
Here's what this "Madison Square Garden History" video covers:
For over 140 years, the name “Madison Square Garden” has been synonymous with sports and entertainment culture in New York City. There’s actually been four different venues over the years that have carried the “MSG” name, and in today’s video we’re going to look back at how each of those arenas (Madison Square Garden 1879, Madison Square Garden 1890, Madison Square Garden 1925, & Madison Square Garden 1968) brought their own unique experience to spectators. There’s been all kinds of interesting events over the years from all star games, and presidential birthday parties to nazi rallies and even becoming the site of an infamous murder.
We'll also look back at some of the more influential people and events in Madison Square Garden's history, like the Stanford White murder and his and relationship to actress Evelyn Nesbit, the great boxing promoter Tex Rickard and creating the New York Rangers, and the time MSG owner James Dolan kicked out a fan for yelling at him to sell the New York Knicks. We'll also go in depth on the 1 billion dollar Madison Square Garden renovation between 2011 and 2013.
What did you think about a potential Madison Square Garden relocation to another part of NYC? Will Madison Square Garden Move? And what’s one of your favorite memories of MSG? Let me know in the comments below!
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Hey Sports Historians! What do you think about MSG possibly moving to another location? Let me know!
After dumping a cool billion there's no way Dolan gets forced into moving MSG.
@@Sportcules Good point, most likely Dolan would sell the team for a crap ton of money and the new owner could be stuck with the Penn Station/NYC government issue.
@@AllSportsHistory personally I don't think that the city is ever going to rebuild Penn Station in it's current spot. In the end, I can see then just running more track/changing the existing track to be aligned with the old Post Office across the street.
Yeah honestly with the budget fallouts due to COVID-19, I highly doubt the city will be in a hurry to renovate Penn Station again. My guess the entire discussion around MSG moving is tabled for the foreseeable future.
I'd hate to see that happen, if only because I haven't had the chance to visit the current location yet. As a wrestling fan who has seen so many great moments take place at MSG IV over the years, it's a dream of mine to visit NYC and go see matches there
13:22 that is the funniest part of the video. We need to introduce designated fight zones inside sports venues.
Unfortunately- or fortunately- thats a true fact. Same happened at Nassau Coliseum for Isles- Rags games
FUN FACT- Some of best NY Pizza slices anywhere in Manhattan is located right across from the current MSG. Pizza Suprema. Been my joint for decades and it never fails.
When you're finished , cross the street & hit some of the local Irish Pubs for a frosty pint.
You only missed one factoid. The entertainer who has sold out Madison Square Garden more than any other person was the late World Wrestling Champion, Bruno Sammartino. Bruno sold out the Garden 187 times. The Garden saluted Bruno when his death was announced by displaying the champs photo on the marquee.
I definitely think MSG should remain where it is. It’s in the heart of the city, and it is extremely convenient for anyone traveling from outer states to get to the venue. Also it’s been such a historic sight for so long, it’d be sacrilegious to relocate. We shall see
I'm 100% sure every train fan and preservationist hates you now-since MSG 4 is Old Penn Station. But then again, a new Penn would basically have 50% of it's value since it's practically a mere replica.
MSG is the home to WWF-E shows and PPV’s . Bruno Sammartino has the longest reigning WWWF Heavyweight Championship . 7 and a half years
Isn't Bruno Sammartino an elderly man now?
@@apacheking9776 he passed away
MSG is the home of WWF/E. So many great memories in this building. The Garden is home for me.
Thanks for this history lesson. I know it's a famous arena with lots of events having happened there but could never really find a good documentary or video on this stuff. I respect history but always wondered why the arena was so revered. I get it but if it needs to be moved, everyone could benefit in the end.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Demolishing pen station is one of the most shameful acts
"Despratly trying to hold in a fart" LOL
What's a fart.???
I used to watch the Rangers at the 'old' Garden - which was really MSG III. Back then you could get in for 50 cents with a high school ID. You got admitted to the side balcony which meant that aside from the first row, about 1/3 of the ice was cut off from view. So you tipped the ushers another 50 cents and they would let you in to the end balcony. My brother and I went every Sunday.
That's a real cool story. Thanks for sharing.
I remember sitting in the Yankee bleachers for $5 bucks at the old/ new stadium.
As a NJ fan, as a kid with my ID corner tickets were 8 bucks. Once they started winning it 10, then 11, then up to 13.
We used to go early for warmup and sit right behind the net and never leave. Back then ole Brendan Bryne Arena would always be half empty. Use to go with my brothers all the time.
this channel is underrated af. keep up the good work my guy
Thanks man, appreciate it!!
The Knicks are The Knickerbockers officially.
The Mets are the Metropolitans, officially.
@@harrynicholes3166 Yes
And the Indians are the Guardians, officially.
Would be cool to see a video or two about the Mets in the future. They have some cool history or then also on their venues.
It’s a shame that the old Penn station was demolished for a dirty underground terminal and a stadium that frankly is not visually appealing. The old MSGs had a much better look then the current one. It would be much easier to swallow the demolition of Penn if the current MSG was made as a bigger version of the old arenas rather then a concrete circle
That’s NY🤷🏼 Just get your ass there to fill up those overpriced seats. What a scam and fans keep going there to get suckered year after year. Ever notice how they overhyped any player that they just acquired? They build them up to be amazing and again the dopey fans fall for it. Hey fans we just got Shattenkirk. We’re gonna win the cup this year😄🤣😄🤣
@@ghytgb turns out the rangers are pretty good lmao
One of my favorite hockey rinks in the NHL. It needs to stay where it is and preserved for the future
MSG is absolutely gross. Herald Square is gross. The stores and rat infested restaurants surrounding MSG are gross. Biggest eye sore in all of NY. The Devils arena is an absolute gem💎
The Rangers always seemed to have the worst luck while in MSG III. Whenever they made the playoffs, they had to go elsewhere due to the circus taking it over during that time. The site they would often adopt as their "home" arena was either the Forum in Montreal or Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, considering how well those two venues drew for hockey no matter who was playing.
So basically no Madison avenue, it's not square, and there are no flowers.
I know right? False advertising at its finest.
WOW!! THAT’S DEEP!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Herald Square 🤮
@@AllSportsHistory Yeah, I want my money back!
@@AllSportsHistory still environmental architecture is the new trend so they can create implantations and becomes a real garden
That explains why the Devils were the home team at the winter classic at Yankee Stadium (can’t remember the year).
This is a very informative video - I learnt plenty! Thank you from Australia!
You’re welcome, thanks for watching!
Great video! Very informative and professionally done.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
I love these type of videos. Keep up the good work homie.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
I hope MSG turns into the Fenway park or wrigley field of the NHL and nba. I am a die hard rangers fan and I never want to see it go
So happy I found your channel. Dope vid
Thanks, appreciate it! and I’m happy you’re enjoying my channel!
I only have been to MSG once. it was for a concert. I saw Bob Seger play the garden. it was such a great atmosphere at the Garden that night. I only could imagine what it is for a Knicks or Rangers game. seeing Bruce Springsteen playing by MSG, definitely is high on my bucket list.
I went for a Rangers game. Atmosphere was lit. Wish I could go for a concert or wrestling event, though
You should see Bruce Springsteen at the Prudential Center. Afterall, that is his home state.
Great stuff. Appreciate the hard work putting this together. MSG, kinda reminds me of how Cobo Hall here in Detroit was. Just the old bldg feeling, all the good & bad games, all the concerts & shows. But mostly every sports game I saw there in '60's, '70's & '80's. Damn, I'm old as hell......lol
I hate James Dolan. Not only is he an inept owner, but he was the chief opponent against the West Side Stadium that could have given the New York Jets their own stadium. Can't wait until he no longer owns the Knicks.
@@JasonTzzz Seahawks stadium is in downtown...
The third iteration of Madison Square Garden makes me think of how thick the cigar smoke was. I just picture newspaper reporters banging away on their manual typewriters all the while smoking those big, fat, old stogies.
The windows are a dead giveaway
Incredible history! Great job!
Thank you!
It should have been never there in the first place. Nothing against the arena itself, but its location. It was a shame to tear down the Penn-Station, and by now the problems are obvious.
its too iconic, forget penn station..
No. Penn Station was a thing of beauty. Very majestic in it's design and architecture.
I'd only been there once but I remember it. Shame it came down. The current Penn Station is embarrassing. The fourth MSG had its good points but overall not the best arena. While not sight pleasing, the Nassau Coliseum was a great place for hockey...parking, highway and good sight lines. Easy access to your seats as well. But then I'm not an Islanders fan.
@@mike04574 MSG’s legacy doesn’t hold Penn Station’s jockstrap.
@@oceanthresher6184 it's known worldwide? How does it not hold? The greatest and most famous arena in the f'ing world
I saw Paul McCartney, long hair at the Madison Square, and Eric Clapton here. A couple of Knicks and a Rangers game as well.
Nice 👍
I missed LeBron’s 55 Point Game from being hungover after partying Hard AF the night before @ my cousins bar in The LES.
When I lived in NY I was at MSG a lot, for the Rangers, for concerts, and the Knicks. And once for the NCAA tournament.
The New york Knicks and Rangers would never leave New york City for New jersey. Besides, both teams have many loyal fans in New york City. The games would be a lot harder to get to if they relocate to New jersey. The traffic is terrible from New york to New jersey. The reason why the jets and giants play in new jersey is because the land is cheaper in new jersey for a football stadium and the residents of new york city would not have to pay taxes for a new stadium since new jersey is a different state.
The Madison Square Garden is overall THE most iconic arena in the world!
Wheter it is Hockey or Basketball or Boxing or Concerts, the arena is a cult classic for so many major events in modern history.
Garden was a famous boxing arena in its early fame days and is still a pinnicle of boxers to be able to have a match there.
To bad though that the Rangers & Knicks just can't win any new championships - with the Rangers since 1994 (50 years prior that) and the Knicks have not won since 1973!
Is not really madison square garden anymore because it was relocated so many times
@@milkyway8962 Well true, but it is the Garden!
Brooooo! This my first time watching your videos these are amazing! Subbed
Glad you liked them, thanks for the sub!! I really appreciate it!
@@AllSportsHistory welcome bro 💪🤝
great presentation, thank you
You’re welcome, glad you enjoyed it!
Great job so educational
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Glad they brought back pen station with a hall that looks like the old one and yes they should move Madison square garden because if pen station below needs the space and room for upgrades
Thumbs up from a new subscriber, looking forward to your other postings
Thank you for the sub, I appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed the videos :)
Great idea for a channel. Well done!!!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Since this is a video about MSG’s history you should’ve mentioned that the fight of the century happened there in 1971 between Ali and Frazier. Great video btw. 👍🏽
Thanks! Yeah there were a lot of interesting events to cover, maybe in a follow up video!
Yeah right. Hagler vs Hearns blows that overhyped fight away. That fight doesn’t make top 100 all time.
I’ve been to MSG many times. Thanks for interesting video.
In 2009 I set up the Victoria Secret fashion show in the 69th armoury building , I think it was 69th and Lex ave , also got to watch the Rangers vs Caps hockey game . Nice to know the history of the building. Great vdo
Very Good Video. Some of the things, I'd known, but, there are some things that I didn't know
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
@@AllSportsHistory I did
"Looks like he is trying desperately to hold in a fart"😂😂😂😂
great vid pls keep us updated with msg content
Thanks, will do!
As a diehard Rangers fan I would be devastated if msg was moved
I can understand that, even it does move a few blocks away... it’s not really the same.
@@AllSportsHistory Newer arenas are somewhat becoming more and more similar to one another, what I mean is there isn’t a unique feature in my mind that separates one arena from another. But MSG is one arena that doesn’t look like other arenas. All you have to see is that ceiling and you know it’s MSG
My dad always had a CD album called "Elvis live from Madison Square Garden" and I actually thought he was singing in a massive square garden called Madison 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Love the photos!!!!
Glad you liked them!
Nice video, you covered the history nicely in the short time. I was born around the corner from MSG III, I can't count how many hot dogs and orange drinks I had from the Nedick's out front. The current Garden will be replaced eventually, even with the renovations, changing technology and the economics of sports will render it obsolete soon enough. As for where it would go...tough to say. It's current site is perfect, on top of all the major rail lines. Unfortunately, the space would be much more valuable with a fully tax generating property over it. Finding a similar site in Manhattan would be very difficult.
Very true, hard to predict what will happen. I bet people in the 1940’s and 50’s would have never of guessed that Penn Station’s entrance would be torn down and a new MSG would be built on top of it. So there’s probably somewhere right now in Manhattan where it will eventually end up.
Compelling story!Thank you
You’re welcome, glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
F-cking great vid, just what I was looking for. Subbed.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the sub!!
@ 13:23 Should have shown seats blue for the rowdy/fight seating areas.
technically the issue about the operating permit is with the city itself, as community boards have no authority of their own. They can make recommendations, but the city makes all final calls.
But enough influence would lead to NY board to build a new arena somewhere else. Rebuilding Penn Station has become & will be top priority for NYC and nothing can be done while MSG is hogging the site above it
I enjoyed this episode quite a lot, especially the first three locations.
I believe by not mentioning the MILL, ARENA FOOTBALL LEAGUE, ECHL and various soccer and tennis moments it creates the impression MSG was not as diverse as it was.
Yeah I tried to highlight some of the events that took place at MSG, but I may have missed that mark on that. Appreciate the feedback, glad you enjoyed it though!
Msg and the Superdome in New Orleans are classic venues that has a lot of history, just keep renovation to modern regulations and standards.
Is not historical anymore because is not really madison square garden because it was relocated many times
@@milkyway8962 yes! But remember it's a fourth generation arena by the same name at different locations but bigger back then when it was first built. Now it's a little outdated despite the renovations.
I’m 17 minutes in, and no mention of the time that Godzilla used MSG as a nest back in ‘98.
Oh how could I have forgotten that! Yeah that was crazy when they blew up MSG and later they trapped Godzilla in the Brooklyn Bridge and for some reason actor Matthew Broderick was there…
@@AllSportsHistory
I vaguely remember Vince Vaughn, too.
Or am I mistaken?
Anyways.
Loved the history lesson! I’m definitely checking out more of your stuff!
Very cool video, especially the architectural descriptions. Yes I don’t care if they move the site for the next building, but I’m not from NY. It might lose some of the romanticism of having to take public transportation or a cab with no parking on site if you moved it out to say the meadowlands.
When Tex Rickard envisioned MSG 3, his most important partner was John Ringling, whose circus got its greatest seasonal publicity from their annual opening stand there.
Thanks for this. Only 20k seats though? They promote it like it's one of the biggest indoor arenas. Quite average in capacity.
Love the new intro!
Thank you, glad you liked it!
@@AllSportsHistory I hate it
Me too, thanks!
Not only did Stanford White's architectural firm McKim, Mead & White design MSG II but it also designed the original Penn Station...which was demolished to make way for MSG IV.
And sadly they’re both gone now, Penn station a shadow of what it used to be of course.
Rocked out to YES Close to the Edge , Emerson Lake & Palmer, Led Zeppelin, YES Tales from Topographic Oceans, Cat Stevens and The Rolling Stones 1972-1977, from my room in Westchester, to the party on the train, to the Garden and back home on the train. To the good old days!
Amazing bands, would have love to seem them!
The new rebuilt MSG is an upgrade from the previous one, except if you're in the the 200 section. There your view of the scoreboard and the rafters gets obstructed, worse as you go higher, and you feel as if you're watching the game from another room. I can't afford the lower deck seats so I've said goodbye to MSG after 50 years.
But you can never upgrade the outside area or underneath MSG. What a fucking shithole.
Empty Rafters anyway🤷🏻
They should’ve left the original bowl the way it was
@@damrgee8279 Well there were some obstructed views.
Too iconic. It's been referred to as the World's Most Famous Arena. NYC has been changed enough
It's super ugly tho
Its too small for a city that size, and Penn Station is more important and used by more people. It will 100% be torn down one day, probably within 15 years. I also heavily disagree that it is the worlds most famous arena. There are many stadiums in Europe that are more famous, more popular, and better looking. The name is more famous than the design, not the other way around.
It’s ugly need it somewhere else, why not Flushing
I thought that it was the Colosseum in Rome.
@@tonysuckadickliano2090 Yup. Put it in the toilet next to Citi Field
Great video!
Yes, MSG should move again and Penn Station should be reconstructed just like it was
Also, MSG 2 was such a beautiful building!
Thanks!! Yeah MSG 2 was amazing architecturally, it’s shame it’s gone forever.
@@AllSportsHistory Well that depends on what happens with Penn Station and the current MSG. Richard Cameron's proposed a new site for MSG on Harold Square in a building built in the image of the second MSG, but obviously with the amenities of a 21st century arena, though the overall ReThinkNYC plan for Penn Station to be rebuilt to an adaptation of its original form provides for five other sites, though it's worth mentioning that the Harold Square proposal has the rebuilt Penn Station and fifth MSG connected to each other via a restored and revitalized Hotel Pennsylvania.
@@justahillbilly7777 That would be incredible to see another MSG II type venue, plus the old Penn Station restored. Best of both worlds it sounds like!
Fun video. I will bring up that the location you state for the original MSG being at 23rd St between 5th Ave and Broadway (0:58) is actually the Flatiron Building and on the SW corner of Madison Square Park. The NE corner is on 26th St between Madison and Park Avenues, the location of the New York Life building. Still, your video did answer the question why MSG isn't anywhere near MSP. BTW, tell us what you really think of James Dolan!
Thanks, glad you liked it! And thanks for the correction on the location!
Great video. Yes, MSG should move to make way for a new Penn Station.
If they moved to New Jersey they’d win some championships like the Devs and Giants. You could fit all of the Knicks and Rags accomplishments in a Chinese Fortune Cookie 🤷🏼
Fun Fact: The Madison Square Garden is also known for the creation of WWE & the first ever WrestleMania
If thats all you know about wrestling history at the garden, you need to watch more old wrestling...sammartino, morales, chief jay strongbow,bobo brazil, andre the freaking giant
I saw Mariah perform there! She was amazing!
MSG SPHERE in Vegas is THE FUTURE! I will be a great Security Manager there for many years!
You forgot one other fact. Industrial conglomerate Gulf+Western Industries, Inc. owned The Garden for some time as well. 😊
The construction of MSG IV over Pennsylvania Station was the worst one-two punch the City of New York ever dealt to itself. One; a huge architectural jewel of the world was demolished and left Penn Station a dreary sardine can of a transportation hub. Two; Penn Station is very busy and in desperate need of expansion and renovation. It has been very difficult for politicians and executives to negotiate on this project because MSG sits over the station. I think the renovated MSG is a great area. I enjoyed a Rangers game there a few years ago and I know a lot of people would hate to see MSG be torn down. But something has to be done to benefit the city of New York. The reality is, a sports arena can be torn down and another one can be built somewhere else. The railroad tracks at the base of Penn Station can't.
I just love the New York knicks
I didn't know there were 4!
Nice video but I am surprised they don't have a real documentary on the Garden with interviews and such. Focusing mostly on 1960-current day stuff. So right idea, just expected more lol.
Thanks for the feedback, I mostly make these in my free time but would love to make “bigger budget” videos with interviews in the future.
@All Sports History also take it easy on Dolan at the end lol. What I mean by that is don't give him a pass, but that was a real curveball when you got to the end of the video and all it was was shot after shot after shot taken at Dolan. Trust me I hate him too and he deserves the bad press, but this was supposed to be solely on Madison Square Garden History. Talking more about special games and not Dolan would have been more realistic to the headline subject of your video. Also WWE has been a huge role at MSG and you completely did touch on that.
There were two major movies which feature the murder at MSG II, the best being Ragtime (1981)
With the opening of the Moynihan Train Hall across the street from old Penn Station/MSG, I suspect the station issue has been adequately resolved.
Doesn't matter nobody is coming to NYC anyways.
To the OP: I doubt the people that utilize NJ Transit will agree with you. They're still relegated to the basement of MSG.
@@justahillbilly7777 yes I used NJ Transit. Did you know that all transit in NYC are all underground. So you're either in basement of MSG or somewhere else.
@@justahillbilly7777 haven't been down there since last year. Is the Long Island Railroad still under MSG?
@@avace917 yes
It wasn't a "stadium" (then or now). Large acts and the circus etc. were originally performed in the "garden" (the park) outside. It is now an arena.
You should do a video about New York's Polo Grounds.
Yeah that would be a great one, definitely will be on my to do list!
12:29 That's Grand Central.
Good catch, that’s my bad on the image!
13:21 now we just use the rest of the upper bowl
3:00 una joyitas los que compraron, no está Rockefeller de casualidad?
Holy shit I always wondered why the Boston garden was named that.
The New York Liberty had to move to Westchester where the G League Westchester Knicks played to poor attendance, since then Brooklyn Nets owner Joesph Tsai. Bought the team and moved them to the Barclays center.
They just spent $1bn in rennos, I dont think they are going down without a fight
The Penn Station area has been renovated even as this video was being created. I think the renovated Penn Station opened in January 2021.
Yeah it’s been partially newly renovated, using the space from the old post office next door. However, it’s just one part of Penn that needs renovation and NYC is still debating of whether or not to move MSG across 7th ave. Unfortunately it’s a complicated issue, most likely solved by MSG staying put and finding creative ways to update the other parts of Penn Station.
The Community Boards in NYC are strictly advisory & have no power to approve or disapprove anything. The real power to deal with MSG rests with the Mayor through the City Planning Commission & the full City Council.
You should do one on Boston garden or Chicago stadium
Yeah those would be great to cover!
Is that Vanderbilt guy where the college gets it’s name
You know it! 💯💯💯
James Dolan fancied himself as some sort of rock star. I saw him and his band perform at the Beacon Theater (around 72nd and Broadway). He and his band were O.K. at best. They were the opening act (I can't remember who they opened for).
is it easy to reach? like with a cab or just with the sub?
Yep it’s right in the city, lots of subway and taxi access. If you’re outside the city, taking the train to Penn station will drop you off right there as MSG sits on top of Penn station.
Also has hosted the 3 best UFC cards of the last 5 years. 205 217 and 268
I didn't know rangers never won one too. I had listened to NY espn radio while driving and they talk about dolan being bad for nba, but they say rangers are good because dolan leaves them alone. but i guess not good enough to win
Haha yeah Dolan ignoring the Rangers is definitely the best thing for them while he’s still owner.
Yes, move MSG to... Rikers Island! That would be fun.
After a 1 Billion dollar renovation, MSG isn't moving anytime soon. On another note, anyone else see that sick pass from the early Knicks footage? Wow!
14:51 That was the job held by the fictitious character played by Burt Reynolds in the film "Paternity" And would you prefer he do 15:01 let it out?
RIP Penn Station (1910-1963)
New York looks like what constipation feels like 😭
It should be listed by National Park Service as historic places
You can't list a building as historic if it's a little over fifty years old.
@@tomcarl8021 When Astrodome is over 50 years old, it is listed as antique landmark and historic places register.
@@jimmyjiang3413 I can see why the Astrodome would be listed for it's architectural significance but an antique? That's ridiculous, in my opinion.