Geartorial S2:E2 Original 1959 Les Paul vs Historic
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- Matt O'Ree Geartorial Season 2 Episode 2 featuring
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Awesome!! The danger burst sounds the best !! but the 2006 R9 is the only one that comes 75% close though.
thanks!
So McGroot I heard that as well even with beats headphones sick either way
Completely agree
@@MOBontv agree
Agreed sounded really close
the original 1959 tone and the 2006 LPRI tone were my favorite.
Thanks for the input! and the views.
Your R8 is an amazing guitar.
This was an excellent comparison, with great riffs. It made me have to play for an hour. Inspiring!
I'm not sure what makes vintage LP's sound so good. It must be a combination of everything, including the wood.
Thanks so much! Yes, all the pieces create the whole. Appreciate the support
One very important ingredient that is missing in the re-issues is that the ABR-1 bridges that Gibson is using are not the same. The metal alloy is different. The tailpiece, though, is really close to the old ones. I found an old bridge to put on my R7 and it now has more clarity and an 'acoustic' response. Four Uncles makes a great reproduction ABR-1. Love your playing and let's face it, all of those guitars sound great.
Definitely! Great note and thanks for chiming in.
@MATT, all Custom shop Historic Les paul's are structurally the same regardless of year but in 2013 and beyond Gibson started to upgrade some things to more closely match a old late 50's LP like they removed the truss rod sheath, they started to use Hide glue for the neck joint and fingerboard attachment, (the tops never used Hide glue it was Phenol formaldehyde that was used in the 50's). the plastics got more historically accurate as the years progressed and 2013 to present all Historic R8,9 and 0's all got "Custombuckers" which to some are Gibsons best "PAF".
I've enjoyed the Hell out of these burst videos! Thanks for taking the time to make them, Matt.
my pleasure! thanks for watching
My God! I can REALLY tell the difference (through headphones) !!! The Real 59’ sounds just killer!! Superb tonal clarity, the crispness of the notes & the tone!! It really is day & night! It’s also sound sweeter thicker and more mellow with the volume rolled off. Gotta love that old 59’ As Wayne would say “Oh yes, she will be mine!!” 😍😍😍
for sure she is! thanks for watching
Believe it or not, but the “DangerBurst” sounded brighter to me than your Historics. They all sound great though Matt, especially your R8! Love the clean tone on her as well!
Cheers,
Matt
thanks! The clarity of danger is insane. Love mine too. Thanks for watching
@@MOBontv i wanna party with mine.
The main reason that it's very difficult to get the reissues to come close to a real 59 is of course the aging of the wood... another thing that alot of people don't realize is that even the aging of the pick-ups make a difference...as the wire and the magnets age this causes a difference in the over all tone of the guitar....
Absolutely! Thanks for the comment and watching.
BUT EVEN BACK IN EARLY 60s THE 59' WAS KILLER THEN SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ALL IN THE AGE MABYE SOME YES ESPECIALLY IF DIFFERENT WOODS WERE USED?? IDK ABOUT THAT EITGER. I'D LOVE TO KNOW ALL THE DIFFERENCES OF THE HIGHLY PRIZED 59s' IE JIMMI PAGES LES PAUL.. ??? ANYONE HELP ??? LOL
@@andrewnuzzo7919 The Original LP's. (& Other Gibson's) Used Honduran Mahogany & Brazilian Rosewood. Now BANNED from import. Via "The Lacy Act" & the CITES Treaty. There is still SMALL Quantities discovered in long forgotten luthier's stash. But... of course it's Expensive, & Must be Documented.
The wood makes no difference to an electric guitar. This has been proven to hell and back at this point..
I can't believe that I didn't see/watch this video before now! Very interesting. I went in cold, not reading any previous comments as not to color my impressions. After listening to the comparisons a few times and playing certain parts over even more, the differences are pretty apparent. All the Historics sound great and similar to each other, so much so, it becomes difficult to tell them apart sometimes. I think I preferred the R8 of the 3. Then there's the actual '59...far less compression, far more clarity/brightness/articulation (especially when played clean) and it just sounds bigger and bolder compared to the Historics. It's very woody-sounding which is most obvious in the last segment when playing clean thru both pickups. One thing I've noticed with particularly good LP's, which the "Danger Burst seems to be", is that the neck and bridge pickups tone is more similar to each other than on lesser-sounding LP's and the most telling component is the combined pickup tone. I'd bet that the actual '59 is fairly lightweight as well But that doesn't seem to always matter...just listen to "The Beast" which is a couple ounces over 9 pounds and Joe Bonamassa supposedly prefers heavier Bursts.
One more point...authentic to original is one thing, but not the only thing. A great LP or any guitar can easily stand on its own and not sound authentic to an original. I have 6 R's that were made ranging from 1998 thru 2020. My 2020 R0 and especially my 2020 R9 are easily the most authentic sounding (and feeling) of the bunch. The R9 was hand-selected by me from about 2 dozen R9's over a one-year period and was head and shoulders above the rest. The R0 was bought sight/unplayed and I fortunately got very lucky with it. My other 4 R's all sound fantastic, but not particularly authentic to original. I'm just saying that I don't think any guitar should be judged only by how authentic it sounds.
Thanks so much! Was an honor to play a real burst. I appreciate the watch and the comment
@@MOBontv I've only been fortunate enough to play a handful of actual Bursts and only a couple really stood out from the others that I can recall and they were all different from each other. They all felt and sounded old though, There's really no other way to describe it. They all had a loose, almost rickety feel to them that translated to the way they sounded. That feel and tone can be found in a number of R's, but certainly not all of them. It's fumy how you always hear about "the great '59 or '58 Burst", but you never hear about the ones that aren't so great. However, I think any guitar will get at least marginally better the older it gets and the more it gets played. The better ones just get played more!
'06 R9 sounds and looks great! 🤘
Thanks Bill! Love that guitar too. Thanks for watching
2006 R9 definitely sounds closest
That original 59 at 3:55!!! Tonal heaven!!!
absolutely! Thanks for watching
There is something weirdley good about Gibson Les Pauls in general. I have 4 now and they all sound different. I recon if you had 2 or 3 real 59's you'd hear differences too. It's incredible really
For sure! Not all old ones are magic, this one clearly is. But i love them all. Different tones for different jobs/songs. Thanks for watching
IT'S SO UNBELIEVABLE THAT THEY CAN SOUND THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE. THE 59' IS KILLER BEST IN MY OPINION. IT HAS THE CLARITY DEFFINITION CHIMYNESS DOESENT MUDDY THE BASS SIDE. IT'S WHAT WERE ALL AFTER I SUPPOSE. NOW AS FOR THE OTHERS I HAVE TO GO WITH THE LAST ONE PLAYED WITH THE VOODOO PICKUPS. TO ME IT WAS CLOSEST TO THE 59'... I JUST JOINED YOUR PAGE BTW. ILL KEEP WATCHING. THANK YOU.
Absolutely. And yes my R8 with the voodoo's sounds killer too. God bless Peter Florance and may he rest in piece. Thanks for watching!
Highly considered work, gratefully received !
Thanks Matt! Appreciate the support...
Whoa, those Wolfetones sound amazing!
thank you! They are definitely aggressive which I like.
I just got my first Gibson les paul standard and fn love it,sometimes late at night I can't put it down.lol
Nice! What a great guitar should do to ya. Keep on hitting it
The danger burst sounds like it has a booster in front of it and it sounds awesome. The 2006 came closest to me
crazy right? That guitar is very special indeed. Thanks for watching
Incredible playing 😳 Koss would be proud. The newer guitars sound scooped and bright by comparison. Vintage ABR, pots and caps would do em some good.
Great video! Could definitely hear the differences despite CZcams. Much better than most such vids. And seriously awesome playing👏👏
Wow, thanks! Love Koss. Yeah man, that guitar is special for sure. Thanks for watching!
My observations, dished out with a healthy portion of salt:
I purchased a new Les Paul Custom in 2004 (first year they were made in the custom shop). It has the 498t/490r pickups, a short neck tenon, true ebony board, maple top, and a "swiss cheese" style weight relief. In other words, it's about as far from the true historic spec as you can get. When I bought it, I admittedly didn't know much about vintage Les Pauls. After the initial hype of purchasing my first Gibson subsided, I realized that I was quite a bit underwhelmed by the guitar, to the point where I would consistently reach for guitars that were 1/5th the price tag. Of course, I could not admit to anyone that I wasn't pleased with a guitar I had just dropped $3,200 on. However, I have stuck with the guitar and play it as often as possible. After more than 15 years, it has eclipsed all other guitars I own. It is my most playable/comfortable guitar and it is the most resonant. It is my only solid body that undeniably vibrates its tone into my stomach, which is an amazing characteristic. It is my only guitar that I feel has it's own 'personality'. It feels better, plays better, and sounds better than any "True Historic" reissues I have picked up at local shops. I have made no changes to the guitar, but it has matured into something beautiful. I attribute this to the Nitro finish allowing the wood to mature and to relatively consistent handling and playing. Of course, it could also just be that I'm comfortable with it due to time spent together and maybe it's still a dog. Who knows?
What's my point? I think that many of these "sub par" modern Gibsons, especially those coming out of the Custom Shop, will have all of the tonal qualities found in the '58-'60 guitars, regardless of their tenons, capacitors, pickups, or weight reliefs. But like all of us, they just need a little time to grow up and someone willing to invest in them. Cheers.
P.S. Great video! The original '59 definitely sounded much more appealing to my ears, but all four were outstanding!
Dude the custom shop opened in the 90s somebody lied too you
@@granvillefriel1877 True, but non-historic Les Paul Customs were not made in the 'Custom Shop' until 2004. Look it up. Before that, they were made in the "Gibson USA" factory.
@@Strelnikov10 Dude true historic don't come with 490 pickups they should come with burst buckers and it's never wait relived somebody ripped you off dude . 490 are hotter pick up burst buckers are supposed too be like the paf
@@granvillefriel1877 Read my post, buddy. I never said I have a "True Historic" LP Custom. I said I have a "Non-Historic" (or standard production modern Les Paul Custom). Non- Historic LP Customs have the 490R/498T pickup combo, they have since the 90's. They have gone through a number of weight relief patterns over the years.
From Gibson: "In 2004, Gibson moved construction of the Les Paul Custom to its Nashville Custom Shop."
Satisfied? Go and read the history before you tell people they have fake guitars.
Yes, I agree with the 2006 R9 being the second best to the 59......the 59 is perfect and takes me right back there!
Hard to top the original for sure. Thanks for watching and chiming in!
from Union beach, Tom at Keyport Music rules. Red bank use to have some great spots. thanks for saying where i understand
Thanks Tom!
Reissues sound close,but the upper mid range on the 1959 is
Unmatched. Great video!
Absolutely! Thanks for watching
its not just the pickups...as u know man...great video the real deal 1959 by ALOT!!!
Thanks Chris! Much appreciated my friend.
Sounds fantastic, that Trainwreck though!!!
My amp and that guitar, homer for sure. Thanks for watching
From your comparison, the original has a clarity, EQ and note separation the others are missing. The 2001 R8 was definitely the closest. The others seem to have more low end in the wrong frequencies. As you said, none sounded bad, just different. I bet I could get closer to the original by changing pickups, bridge, posts, pots etc.. Time, experimentation and a few bucks. Both of my Historics have had a makeover by Kim and plenty of part changes. I find they are at the top of their game in terms of Sonics and playability. They have really opened up and are getting better with each passing day. Great job on the comparison.
Thanks! On of mine was made over too, but under Dave Johnson. Those guys do killer work for sure. But the original just can't be recreated, although close for sure. Nice to have killer historics that I can tour and gig with. Lucky with what I have for sure. Thanks for watching and the great comment!
YEs, the 2006 R9 was close to the Dangerburst
Thanks! Appreciate the input here and the views
I think the 2006 comes the closest, man that Danger Burst sound wow!! Listened with headphones, can totally tell the difference. Now if I could only play as good lol 😀
Thanks! Headphones tells all, or killer speakers. That les paul is super special for sure. Thanks for watching and supporting!
The original R9 seems to be less pickup output, and that's a key (i think) to his rich and dynamic sound!
Brilliant video love finding a gem like this. Had never heard of Trainwreck amps learn something new every day lol
Thanks so much! Yes wrecks are very unique and my favorite for sure! Appreciate the support
Hey Matt!
You are a phenomenal player. Thank you for doing these vids. Love em.
thanks so much! I appreciate you watching and the kind words
Well all four i would be proud to own but here goes #1 1959 #2 second 2001 [very close] #3 2006 #4 1st 2001 to my guitar ears.
good ears! Felt the same to me in the room. I love all my historics, like you said, proud to own and go to work with them. Thanks for watching!
Wow. Thanks so much for doing this. The Danger Burst us clearly the best. I almost wish I never heard it because even through video you can hear the delicacy of the tone. The others have harsher sounds in one respect or another while the DB seemed immaculate in every respect. Beautiful guitar man. Congrats.
Thanks! I wish I owned it. Ha. Appreciate the support here. Cheers
Whose is it?
To me the danger burst and the 06 sounded the best. The 01s sounded kinda distant
Very cool
thank you
Great demo- of course they all sound great-but The Danger Burst is pure magic,didn't need headphones to hear it,That's why it is The Holy Grail-well done...
thank you! I agree
Oh yeah been wanting to hear this type of demo Thanks Always good stuff 😊 NASA did a study year's ago that time/usage added a natural compression to the circuitry I thought the Wolf tones sounded really good Great comp demo The 59's note definition was killer
Thanks Paul! The original is still mind boggling to me. Thanks again for chiming in here
I Love the Top on your R8 and I think its the best sounding one go figure lol.I love my 2013 R9 Benchmark Aged and my 2004 R9 & 00 R7 Custom Black Beauty =)
thanks so much. That paul is definitely special. Thanks for watching
IMO, The original 1959 and the 2006 sounded the best. I need to compare my R9 & Trad to these recording. Wish I had a Train wreck. Have to use the Train wreck model in my Helix LOL.. ;)
The R8 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
thanks!
Agreed! Love mine.
Not hearing a 100,000 dollar difference. Bursts are awesome, but they're just for rich collectors and famous musicians now. I'd be happy with either reissue. Hell, i'm pretty happy with my traditional after i swapped the pickups out
totally understand. I wish I had that old one, but my reissues are great too. Happy to have them and be where I am. Thanks for watching
My Les Paul is a wine red 10 lb 2006 LP Classic that I bought for $650 off Craigslist in Hawaii. I totally gutted it and replaced everything but the frets. Made a bone nut from scratch. Kluson tuning machines. Made a vintage spec wiring harness with good wire, pots, and bumblebee caps. Faber bridge and tailpiece. Sheptone PAF clones. Afterwards, I had my buddy bring his 59 over so we could A/B mine and his through my vintage Marshall JMP 50. My Classic sounds SO close to my friend's real 59. (When I say "close" I don't mean identical. They both have unique tonal qualities, of course. I just mean close in overall sound quality/response)..and for the type of music I play, mine actually sounds better. The singer in my band has an early Custom Shop '58 reissue LP (with Sheptones in it). I like it better than my other friend's real 59 - playability, tone - just all around. Real '59s are special guitars and holy shit, I'd love to own one! ..but you don't *really* NEED one to get that tone. You don't even really need a R9. You can get very close by just doing what I did. FInd a nice LP that plays/resonates well and gut it. (Which in total, cost me about $1,500) I do wish mine had a nice fat neck on it, though. That's one of *many* things that I really don't like about Classics. I've also done the same thing to my SG standard. Sounds just as good as any vintage SG I've played or worked on. AMAZING tone. I have under $1k total invested in that guitar. I beefed up a couple clients' Traditionals this way too. They sounded AWESOME!
My SG sounded decent before I gutted it. Nothing special. My Classic sounded like absolute DOGSHIT. Now they're my go to guitars in the studio.
There's definitely something to be said for how wood ages, though. I have an old '65 Gibson acoustic. I've played about 20 of them from the same 64-65 time frame and the only two that ever sounded good were mine and another one belonging to a client. Both guitars spent their whole "lives" here in Hawaii and both sound wonderful. I think the consistent year round heat, salt, and humidity aged them in a special way. ...but IMO, most of what you're hearing in an electric guitar is electronics and the unique touch of the player him/herself. Then amp. Then hardware and wood. The wood matters, but not nearly as much as people think. Pickups and amp choice are the biggest chunks of the pie. (Again, IMO)
All that being said, though - I've played a couple '59s that were absolutely magical and couldn't be compared to anything else. They're kinda like old Marshall amps. Every one of them is slightly different. Lol ..and I could *definitely* hear a difference in the "Danger Burst" in this video. Way more clear and airy and great compression. '59s really are magical. :)
If you're listening for the difference then you truly have no idea.
To my ears the '06 R9 sounded the closest to the real burst, either way they all sound good!
Thanks for listening and chiming in!
3rd gtr. Sounds great
Thank you for watching! Appreciate the comment and the support
Excellent! I love 06' tone best but original one really sounds special
I agree! Thanks for watching
My Les Paul is a wine red 10 lb 2006 LP Classic that I bought for $650 off Craigslist in Hawaii. I totally gutted it and replaced everything but the frets. Made a bone nut from scratch. Kluson tuning machines. Made a vintage spec wiring harness with good wire, pots, and bumblebee caps. Faber bridge and tailpiece. Sheptone PAF clones. Afterwards, I had my buddy bring his 59 over so we could A/B mine and his through my vintage Marshall JMP 50. My Classic sounds SO close to my friend's real 59. (When I say "close" I don't mean identical. They both have unique tonal qualities, of course. I just mean close in overall sound quality/response)..and for the type of music I play, mine actually sounds better. The singer in my band has an early Custom Shop '58 reissue LP (with Sheptones in it). I like it better than my other friend's real 59 - playability, tone - just all around. Real '59s are special guitars and holy shit, I'd love to own one! ..but you don't really NEED one to get that tone. You don't even really need a R9. You can get very close by just doing what I did. FInd a nice LP that plays/resonates well and gut it. (Which in total, cost me about $1,500) I do wish mine had a nice fat neck on it, though. That's one of many things that I really don't like about Classics. I've also done the same thing to my SG standard. Sounds just as good as any vintage SG I've played or worked on. AMAZING tone. I have under $1k total invested in that guitar. I beefed up a couple clients' Traditionals this way too. They sounded AWESOME!
My SG sounded decent before I gutted it. Nothing special. My Classic sounded like absolute DOGSHIT. Now they're my go to guitars in the studio.
There's definitely something to be said for how wood ages, though. I have an old '65 Gibson acoustic. I've played about 20 of them from the same 64-65 time frame and the only two that ever sounded good were mine and another one belonging to a client. Both guitars spent their whole "lives" here in Hawaii and both sound wonderful. I think the consistent year round heat, salt, and humidity aged them in a special way. ...but IMO, most of what you're hearing in an electric guitar is electronics and the unique touch of the player him/herself. Then amp. Then hardware and wood. The wood matters, but not nearly as much as people think. Pickups and amp choice are the biggest chunks of the pie. (Again, IMO)
All that being said, though - I've played a couple '59s that were absolutely magical and couldn't be compared to anything else. They're kinda like old Marshall amps. Every one of them is slightly different. Lol ..and I could definitely hear a difference in the "Danger Burst" in this video. Way more clear and airy and great compression. True '59s really are magical. :)
The Danger had a more open dry clanky sound, the takeaway is Brazilian rosewood, Honduras mahogany, super low output almost p90 like pickups, a deeper carve top, and let the electronics get old along with the wood.
yes for sure. All the pieces of the puzzle. Thanks for watching
Wow. That R8 has something going on !
thanks! Been playing the snot out of it since I bought it in 2002. Thanks for watching!
I could hear the difference instantly. The reissues did sound really good. I liked the Peter Florence Voodoos best of the reissuees
Love the voodoo's! Miss peter so much. He was such a nice soul.
Could instantly hear the difference. Obviously the Original 59 Trump's all. The 06 R9 was a very very good second . Most like the original. Nice playing by the way.
Love the clean sounds of the '59 LP but I will ALWAYS choose the modern sound over the PAF's. I prefer the ceramic sound of the 496R/500T hands down. The snappy mids to me are what a LP should sound like. Not a Tele. Regarding Fender MIM guitars, I also prefer their Standard models ceramic single coils. They sound bigger than any alnico they produce.
Totally understand. This 59 was a privilege to just be in the room with it. Hard to capture all its beauty in a video. Thanks for watching
2006 r9 was very close
thanks for watching
Great content btw
Thank you!
I am nowadays very much in the mindset that the difference is more heard by the player than the listener. To me the sound is so close that I ask why. Again, I think it is heard and felt more by the player themselves.
Definitely can feel it and hear it in the room. I wish the capture was more transparent, all I can say is there's a pretty big difference. Although all the guitars sound great, the original 59 has more air around the notes.
Great demo! Thanks! I prefer the original '59.
They are all great, but man that 59 is special. Thanks for watching
Do the Neck on the 10th to 12 fret hot to get that flute sound, I bet the only one to get that was the real 59.
True on that. Amazing how that comes out on an old one.
The pickups in the new ones seem quite a bit hotter than the pafs which seem much clearer . The other pickups seem quite a bit more fizzy.
Yes, new ones seem to be a bit hotter. Amazing how hard it is to replicate the old ones. Thanks for watching
@@MOBontv No it’s not. Just grab a set of Amber Spirit of 59 pickups, Wizz or others that make early paf replicas.
2006 r9!
Thanks! I recently changed the pickups in the 06 and its sounding even more like the Danger Burst. Fun experimenting. Thanks for watching
The R9 has the closer Neck PUP. The 2nd R8 is closer on the Bridge PUP. Like most guitars the PUP is the biggest factor.
for sure. Thanks for watching
Hey Matt keep up the great work. You could sound great on a tennis racket with six strings. I hear you. You really can't tell the difference as much on here but I know where you are coming from in a studio. I did a session in which I had the privilege of using a real 58 335 (against my very nice 335 in which I donated it to Joe Prewitt of the Mangos in which he played it for 10 years. It became his hands I couldn't get it back ROFL says how nice my guitar was) man did that 58 sound hot on record. My guitar sounds amazing but couldn't hold a candle to the 58 on record. I also wanted to thank you in a round about way. I saw Bill Cherensky a few months back and asked him if he had Bernie's signature and he said check out your Facebook page because you had just posted it from an old cassette sleeve. I have one of Bernie's old necks (was on a guitar of course) and when I was teenager for about a year he taught me on this very nice Fernandes maple neck. I am having a body made by a big fan of Bernie's and wanted to have his signature silked onto the neck. I plan to have it built in the next 6 months. When it is done I will send you the pictures. I know how you felt about Bernie and how he felt about you so I am sure you will appreciate it. Again thanks and good luck with all your endeavors
Thanks Dave! Appreciate all this you sent me. Love to see the guitar when its done. Yeah man, miss Bernie everyday of my life like all that knew him. Keep in touch brother. Thanks for the support here. Much love fellow Bernie student.
Really liked the R8,I might be a bit biased as I got a 2016
thanks my R8 friend!
there's a very subtle harmonic warmth to the real 59' imo.
for sure! thanks
Each of your "Historics" sounded really, really great! To my ears, the R8 sounded closest to the "DangerBurst's" vocal clarity. Each of the R9's seemed to have a little more "velvet" (softer around the "edges") in their clean voices with the pots rolled down (again, to my ears). I would hazard a guess that the de-gaussing over time of DB's pickups might possibly have something to do with it's clarity-of-voice. And yes, the difference in the pot tapers was obvious in the vid.
Abbreviated version of this comment is: Feel free to send me any of the four at your earliest convenience... (I _won't_ hold my breath while I wait for that to happen lol) Thanks for sharing these jewels with us Matt!
haha, thanks John. Appreciate your thoughts too. Anybody know of better pots out there, be happy to look into them.
MOBontv vi pots :)
oh cool. I'll check them out. Thanks @@Glpdb
Hello Matt, what pots are you talking about? I’m running Doyle Coil PAF’s w/ there 59’harness in my 05’ LP Faded, they use the CTS audio taper pots w/ 8%+/- rating they sound pretty dang good to me and are very responsive. I’m glad I stumbled onto ya, very nice playing and what incredible gear you have access to there!!!! Keep pickin’ friend 🎸
thanks so much! I appreciate the words and the support. I just got some Vintage Inspired pots I'm gonna try. I'm actually gonna do a tech video on them for the install and the results. Stay tuned!
It would have been very telling if you had first just did sound samples of each Les Paul with no way to ID which was playing.
Using that same riff with just the audio i am willing to bet that in that type of test it would be extremely difficult to tell which was which.
The late great Les Paul himself said it "People hear with their eyes" and i agree with him! We love to think a old 59 sounds a million times
better than any Re-issue but the reality is Some of the Re-issues get real damn close and considering a old original will cost you ballpark of $275,000-$750,000 a $6,000 Reissue is a incredible option. I love my 2018 True Historic R9 and my 2016 Historic R7 Gold top.
All true! Appreciate the insight, even I get distracted with looks too. Was an honor to play this guitar, amazing tone indeed. Love my historics too. Thanks for chiming in
Great video. Having a pair of Dr. Vintages I feel familiar with yout historic, but the 59 Vodoos sounded awesome, maybe a bit less compressed to my ears than the legends. That´s the beauty of the original paf´s. They have almost no compression on them, and lot´s of treble, but never beeing harsh, so they can cut trough any band at any style at any level. Were close, but still not there.
Right on! Its a fun journey for sure. Thanks for chiming in!
The real burst was my clear favorite with the R8 as a reasonably close #2. The R9's weren't nearly as nice IMO.
for sure. thanks for watching. I just got some new pickups and post that may help them get closer
Love my R8. Best guitar I’ve ever owned.
@@michaelzschoche2746 me too!
NOTICE HOWVTHE REAL 59 IS FILLING IN MORE SPACE THE HARMONICS BLOOM BEHIND EVERYTHING HES PLAYING AND THE NEW ONES CLEARLY SOUND HAS MORE UNFLATTERING DISTORTION, STILL AMAZING GUITARS....BUT I DID A TEST WITHOUT KNOWING AND KNEW THE 59 WAS FIRST, AND THE 06 STOOD UP THE BEST, ITS A GOOD REISSUE, ILL TAKE THE OTHER ONES LOL
Its again an incredible guitar. It is "THE" tone. The one we all are looking for. No doubt why they are so rare. Joe B is lucky to have a few. Ha.
The brightness of the reissues becomes very apparent after listening to the vintage Burst. I'm not familiar with those pickups you've upgraded to; are they known for being especially bright? I think Gibson did a decent job with the Custombuckers in later-model reissues, they sound pretty close to vintage PAFs.
Great video, thanks!
thanks Adam! Pickups definitely a huge part. Gibson has done a great job. Appreciate the comment and the view. All the pickups I'm using are trying to copy the original tone. Trainwrecks are more on the brighter side but that's the chime coming through which they are so famous for.
The Pickup comparison is good in that The Orginal does outshine the others in in a couple of the matches but The R8 is very close. The 2006, however, is just a bit too thin. For my taste anyhow.
for sure. Good ears. Thanks for watching!
The 59 is more open, organic, more note seperation. It wasnt hard to hear the difference. In 20 or so years yours will sound as good. Back in 1970, I bought my first lp in 1977 I bought my second, and in 1979 I traded my 70 lp for my friends 71 sg.back in 2006,I traveled back home and saw my friend, he still had my 70 lp, I played it for about an hour, it was twice the guitar it was in the 70s. It felt lighter. Even playing it unplugged , it sounded more resonate. Wood gets better in time. The nitro finish wears down and drys out more , lets the wood vibrate more. You can feel it when you play and old one.
thanks for the insight! My R8 sounds better now then when I bought it. Its on the right track.
I don't if it's the pickups, but the Danger Burst has it in spades.
For sure. Big part on the pickups. their to die for, Thanks for watching
the 2006 r9 sounded the best to my ears.
thanks! I love that one too. Something odd in the universe about the year 2006. In a great way! thanks for watching
Nice!
Thank you! Cheers!
Question? Why does it look like the 59 has inserts for the bridge? Shouldn't it be the 6-32 studs directly in the wood, or are they and it just looks like inserts in the pic. I have an older 335 (not a 59) that had a nashville and I changed to an abr but kept the inserts. Mechanically the inserts are actually superior to studs in the wood.
good question. I think they are extra wheel height adjusters to help prevent the bridge from leaning. Been a while since I saw the guitar unclose. I'll have to ask the owner.
Central Labs Pots, are being remanufactured by VIPots, and they are great 550's.
Funny you say that. I've had a set on my bench for a year and haven't tried them yet. I will over the holiday and do a video on them.
Righteous tone-age,, ma' man!
thanks so much brother! Appreciate the support. Love that 59
Very cool videos bro!
thank you! thanks for watching
the dave johnson has that old hollow sound, and the 01 is really aggressive compared to the burst and the DJ
for sure. They all sound great. No complaints here and they really help my in the studio for different flavors on a record. The original one just sings to me. Thanks for watching!
The real one sounds best then the R8 with the 59 voodoo pickups , the real red burst was much brighter in tone , all sounded good though
thanks! Appreciate the watch and comment
What amp, what's the signal chain, speakers etc. Thanks
George L cable with unplated brass ends, Trainwreck Express head into a late 60's Ampeg V4 412 cab with 1968 greenbacks. 30w 014 cones. Thanks for watching!
2001 R8 all day
love that guitar too! thanks for watching
Would love to hear the 59 against a Gil yaron ..they are scary close to the original bursts
Not familiar with his work. I'll check them out. Thanks for watching
@@MOBontv he’s a popular original les Paul replica builder. I don’t think he makes them anymore. But he was one of the people where it was said that he built closer to actual original Les paul specs, materials, and build techniques than the actual Gibson reissues.
Would be interesting to hear what you’d think on some of these famous replicas in comparison to the reissues and real 59s
The first guitar theres no comparison that's one nice 59 guitar lucky
I know its been two years but how is the neck width and feel on the original compared to the reissues? I heard the reissues have thicker necks to the original
They are definitely different. The old one has such a beautiful taper where the reissues not as much. I've gotten used to bigger necks so I like them all. Not sure which neck Gibson was copying to make reissues, but maybe they should of looked around a bit more. My 2001 Dave johnson make over was definitely cut more closer to the old one.
What about the 60th anniversary ones that came out in 2019? Tried one?
Liked the real '59 best of course but the ones with the Florance Pickups were great as well! Just didn't like the ones with the Wolfetone pickups - this one sounded pretty fizzi and had a unpleasant attack. Great Video by the way!
Thanks Chris! Appreciate the input.
Bad Ass, Bro...
Thanks brother! Killer guitar
@@MOBontv It Sure Does Have The, IT
I actually prefer the sound of the newer one you own. I'd prefer to own the old one because, it's the old one.
ha, thats funny. And I understand! Thanks for watching
The 2001 Historic sounded heavier. I'm guessing ~9lb. The R8 sounded a little lighter. The 59 sounded like it was ~ 8.8lb.
It's hard to compare Les Pauls that are different weights
Definitely makes a difference. The Original 59 is 8 even. My Historic R8 01' is 8.3. My Historic 59 01' is 8.7 and 59 06' also 8.7. Not too far off but a different piece of wood is just that. Different. Thanks for watching and chiming in!
@@MOBontv Thanks for the reply :) Wow that 59 is a featherweight! I wonder how many ounces or fraction of ounces it has lost in water since it was built?
ok the 2006 r9 was moderately close but still not the real deal. the others are muddy
I just got new pickups for the R9. Its way closer now. Check out some of my videos. Title has Dave Hinson in it. Thanks!
Tube Amps only ..Because you don't have all the ear shattering Treble Harshness !
That 2006 R9 sounded better than the original 59 to my ears.
Definite difference right? Depends on the tone you're going for. I love them all! Thanks for watching
The paf neck has way more clarity and like most vintage pafs it sounds like a fatter bridge pickup . The newer neck pickups sound like most modrern paf necks tend to sound. Much bassier and much more spongy and slightly dull. The newer bridge pickups got closer to the original paf sound . Winders seem to be able to get the bridge pickups closer . I will say these boutique neck pickups sound much better than any stock gibson neck pickup . Although the custombcuker neck sounds very good. The pickup is arguably the most important component of an electric guitar and it baffles me why gibson cuts corners with such an important aspect .Dont get me wrong i love gibsons modern paf types but to my ears there are much closer to a late 70s and early 80s hard rock pickups thhen they are a to a 1959 paf. They have way more midrange and have alot more of that cocked wah vowel sound then real pafs do .These qualities make them great for late 70s and 80s hard rock and classic metal and 90s grunge and alternative but for a truer paf tone their are better choices .
Well said Adam! Great ears. Thanks for watching!
Also on utube I kinda like the historics better than the 59.
They are definitely different. Right guitar for the right job for sure. Thanks for watching!
They all sound very good but different but I will agree with others I like the R8 the best very very nice sound I will suggest that you watch the Doug and Pat show they have an episode that they did recently were there doing the pickup shootout they're also trying a different wiring harness but they got some pickups from a company in Germany that are absolutely fucking amazing admire their the closest thing I've heard did the real thing but I'm sure it also has to do with the pots in the capacitors and all that what model Trainwreck amplifier are you running through what kind of speakers are in the cabinet you're using and how is the amplifier set
thanks! Its an express with 1968 pre-rola 30 watt greens 014 cones. What's the name of the german company?
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@@MOBontv Amber Pickups "Spirit of 59"
@@dokmartin3072 ok let me check them out
Not even close..
Old 59 is no joke
for sure! That thing is crazy good. Thanks for watching
The 59 sounded like it had P90's.
definitely. Amazing how transparent it is. Also the amp too. Wrecks reveal the truth to my ears. Thanks for watching
59 sounds amazin but that r8 sounds better to me dunno she sounds little special to my ear
Thanks! My favorite that I won. Appreciate the comment
The R9 has the richer bottom end of the new guitars but doesn't match the "real" thing - where the mahogany audibly rings thru esp clean - you can almost hear the grain!
Definitely! Amazing the differences. What a fun day it was shooting this video. Thanks for watching!
The original just screamed and was pretty the hole time. The r9 was muddy r8 was brighter then the 9. No need for headphones
For sure. Thanks for watching