BIG Thank you to: -Tircown, for all the firmware work on the hybrid-corexy IDEX implementation and macros -Steve and madcat for helping me find some Huvud boards!
I have a question. The Z axis of the two nozzles will be slightly different, but even if it is solved by leveling, How did you handle the calibration of the X and Y axes of the nozzle?
Great work, but do you use the official version of the Klipper firmware? Or can you supply the config files? I am also working on an IDEX printer and cannot print in duplicate or mirror mode. Thanks in advance ;)
For most of what I’ll do (printing at different times support and base material) the bed should be able to adjust the slight offset. For mirrored or duplicate I’m not positive yet 👍🏼
I want to put a fail-safe switch on the side of either toolhead in case I move them without homing first and they crash, the switch will stop all X axis movement automatically. (common issue with IDEX)
so I have the working with klipper thanks to a user I found on the discord. the biggest issue is z offset for both tools there's always just a tad difference between x1 and x2. only way I solved it was with 2 copperhead hotends that have adjustable heartbreaks.
@@CrazyMineCuber They can use two materials that don't stick to each other. One is the support material. It can support the part with no gap and so form a smooth lower surface.
Great build! I just finished a dual head version of the Voron 2.4 (two hotends in one carriage). How are you switching between the part cooling fans, I only managed to have them both on when I switch on part cooling via multipin in klipper. And I can't find anything how to change the fan when I swicht extruders.
Sorry for the delayed response! Yes, you get the speed benefit over a Cartesian style IDEX printer because all of the motors are mounted to the frame and do not move in the X and Y axes!
I am so excited about IDEX voron. I have a 2.4 and just putchased a ratrig vcast to go IDEX, I would have kept it voron if I new this was coming. Any info on the belt system? Is any info available?
I'm excited too!! I have been trying to find time to make a video and post some more information but it's difficult. At this time this design isn't directly transferrable to a stock Voron, but I'm sure one day in the future that may be a possibiilty
Cool build. How do you adjust the Z height on the toolheads? I built an IDEX version of an Anet AM8 a few years ago but shelved the project because of a few missing features in firmware. Looks like all the important features have been added to Klipper now. Maybe I'll start playing with that printer again.
Right now I don't have a way defined to adjust the Z height on the toolheads--for sequential printing it shouldn't be an issue as the firmware can offset Z mechanically, but for duplication/mirrored modes that won't work and I'll have to come up with another solution.
Am I just totaly stupid here! Just looked at the GitHub, is the Y not part of the corexy??? Is that even core xy? Ore am I misunderstanding the belt drawings ? Want to make one myself, just started researching so still green 😁
This setup looks like you managed to get IDEX without any additional motors or belts! Do you have each head only attached to the A and B belts separately?
@@eddietheengineer so two more belts you have hide on the back of the x gantry? Did you synchronised all mitors x1y1 with x2y2 not to struggle one with another?
@@eddietheengineer OK, so from XY kinematics motor X works as X motor for one carriage and Y motors is X motor for second carriage and you have additional Y motor for Y axis. Right?
@@DrJimBoston if you think about in typical “CoreXY” kinematics, motor A controls X1, motor B controls X2, and then there are two independent motors for Y
At this time, the mirror and duplicate mode doesn't work with Klipper! This video had a very old PR that never got merged in as it needed to be refactored.
I have a Formbot T-Rex 3.0 and the IDEX functionality is amazing. Doing this on a Voron at its crazy print speed is a game changer. Are you planning on sharing how you did this?
@@eddietheengineer would also appriciate that, wanted to start to order parts today for the normal version, but now saw the Idex version and will wait with my oder
that is impressive, I still couldn't wrap my head around the belt arrangement on the second toolhead 😅
@c_NWAistill don't see how that makes sense lol how is it only moving in 1 axis?
It's very complicated even without a second tool head you'll need to do a lot of research
can't wait for this project, great job!!
Awesom Eddie!!!!!!!!!!! Great work I can't wait to see it print!
Looking good!!
Great stuff
Love these videos, what are some good sources you recommend for people to learn more about base system to be able to modify them
I now know what the upgrade path for my, soon to build, v1.8 should be!
Awesome!!!
I have a question.
The Z axis of the two nozzles will be slightly different, but even if it is solved by leveling,
How did you handle the calibration of the X and Y axes of the nozzle?
You’re excited. I’m excited, and this is exactly what I need. Will this be a whole new printer or a mod for a trident for example?
Great work, but do you use the official version of the Klipper firmware? Or can you supply the config files? I am also working on an IDEX printer and cannot print in duplicate or mirror mode. Thanks in advance ;)
concerned about X Beam weight with dual direct drive heads on it?
Amazing work! Being curious (and naive), how do you plan to have the two nozzles level to the same Z height for this set up?
For most of what I’ll do (printing at different times support and base material) the bed should be able to adjust the slight offset. For mirrored or duplicate I’m not positive yet 👍🏼
@@eddietheengineer I see - thanks Eddie! Looking forward to it :P
I want to put a fail-safe switch on the side of either toolhead in case I move them without homing first and they crash, the switch will stop all X axis movement automatically. (common issue with IDEX)
Is this H-bot style or core xy? I feel like core xy would have a belt going around the front
so I have the working with klipper thanks to a user I found on the discord. the biggest issue is z offset for both tools there's always just a tad difference between x1 and x2. only way I solved it was with 2 copperhead hotends that have adjustable heartbreaks.
The killer app for multiple tool head is zero distance support structures. The tool changer has had some success with this.
This is exactly why I’m building it! Really excited to see the results
Could you explain what that means?
@@CrazyMineCuber They can use two materials that don't stick to each other. One is the support material. It can support the part with no gap and so form a smooth lower surface.
I'm curious why the only Voron IDEX system are based on the Trident and not the Voron 2.4 R2?
Does the Voron team have plans to release an official version of IDEX for their machines? I would be really interested in an IDEX Trident!
No plans! Just a fun side project for me 😄
I will bulit the IDEX 3D printer with the same kinematic. What is the max speed it can run?
Great build! I just finished a dual head version of the Voron 2.4 (two hotends in one carriage).
How are you switching between the part cooling fans, I only managed to have them both on when I switch on part cooling via multipin in klipper. And I can't find anything how to change the fan when I swicht extruders.
I’m using a macro Tircown made! When the toolhead switch is done it activates/deactivates a fan
klipper?
What I can understand is that each of the belts control the each tool-head, so do they still have the advantage of the core-XY kinematics and speed?
Sorry for the delayed response! Yes, you get the speed benefit over a Cartesian style IDEX printer because all of the motors are mounted to the frame and do not move in the X and Y axes!
I am so excited about IDEX voron. I have a 2.4 and just putchased a ratrig vcast to go IDEX, I would have kept it voron if I new this was coming. Any info on the belt system? Is any info available?
I'm excited too!! I have been trying to find time to make a video and post some more information but it's difficult. At this time this design isn't directly transferrable to a stock Voron, but I'm sure one day in the future that may be a possibiilty
@@eddietheengineer thank you and the voron team for sharing the great work you do. I am now subscribed to your channel awaiting further updates.
Cool build. How do you adjust the Z height on the toolheads? I built an IDEX version of an Anet AM8 a few years ago but shelved the project because of a few missing features in firmware. Looks like all the important features have been added to Klipper now. Maybe I'll start playing with that printer again.
Right now I don't have a way defined to adjust the Z height on the toolheads--for sequential printing it shouldn't be an issue as the firmware can offset Z mechanically, but for duplication/mirrored modes that won't work and I'll have to come up with another solution.
Am I just totaly stupid here! Just looked at the GitHub, is the Y not part of the corexy??? Is that even core xy? Ore am I misunderstanding the belt drawings ? Want to make one myself, just started researching so still green 😁
Where can I find those led strip holders?
edit: nm, found it, thank you!
Can you share with us please
Hi Eddie how's klipper idex going?
the clicky probe should be very precise, have you done a probe_accuracy, it should be within a few microns right ?
Yes! On my other printers it is typically within +/-1 microstep
@@eddietheengineer the next Voron iteration should go with the clicky probe if it is cheaper and more precise than magnetic probe.
I wouldn’t be surprise if somebody will do 4 print heads soon. 🤪
Is it corexyuv, hbot or some other magic with motors to keep one head stationary?
github.com/FrankenVoron/IDEX
There’s a diagram here with the belt path, only difference is that there are two independent Y motors!
@@eddietheengineer So more of a traditional cartesian box build. Fancy.
I would like you to explain how to build it from scratch.
hi there, are you using two mcus to control that nine (?) steppers? Impressive work btw!
Yes! Two Huvud can toolhead boards plus a Spider
@@eddietheengineer Didn´t know that there are already toolbords excisting for klipper. 😅 So they are handled like a mcu I guess?
@@dieMukumuku yes! Check out one of my latest videos for details
This setup looks like you managed to get IDEX without any additional motors or belts! Do you have each head only attached to the A and B belts separately?
There are two extra belts and motors, one Y belt/motor per side attached to the gantry 👍🏼
@@eddietheengineer so two more belts you have hide on the back of the x gantry? Did you synchronised all mitors x1y1 with x2y2 not to struggle one with another?
@@DrJimBoston nope! The X axis still only has two belts crossing it. With the correct kinematics everything works nicely together 😄
@@eddietheengineer OK, so from XY kinematics motor X works as X motor for one carriage and Y motors is X motor for second carriage and you have additional Y motor for Y axis. Right?
@@DrJimBoston if you think about in typical “CoreXY” kinematics, motor A controls X1, motor B controls X2, and then there are two independent motors for Y
What kinematics is this running? Is this on Klipper?
Yes it is on Klipper! With some code that’s not fully merged in yet
Does this thing run klipper or something else ?
It’s Klipper 👍🏼
@@eddietheengineer nice i hope you get this fully working because I would love an idex voron :-)
What afterburner is this?
It is the BN-30 mod by Badnoob, available on the VoronUsers mods repository!
Can you share the mirror and duplicatemode MACROS?? VERY COOL VIDEO!!
At this time, the mirror and duplicate mode doesn't work with Klipper! This video had a very old PR that never got merged in as it needed to be refactored.
take my money god damnit
I have a Formbot T-Rex 3.0 and the IDEX functionality is amazing. Doing this on a Voron at its crazy print speed is a game changer. Are you planning on sharing how you did this?
I definitely am! Just haven’t had the time to work on things recently 👍🏼
@@eddietheengineer would also appriciate that, wanted to start to order parts today for the normal version, but now saw the Idex version and will wait with my oder
@@eddietheengineer I would love to know too!
I have a T-Rex 3.0 IDEX also. Not much info on upgrading . I would love to change to firmware
What sorcery is this?!?!
First?