'15 Jeep Patriot - Crank, No Start
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- čas přidán 5. 02. 2024
- In this video I bring you along as I take a look at a customers 2015 Jeep Patriot that was towed in as a crank no start. I was assuming it was the classic rotted out relay block. This case was a little different.
-Enjoy!
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"A man's got to know his limitations." - Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood)
Thanks
"Mankind has got to know its limitations." - Dave Mustaine (paraphrasing Dirty Harry)
Magnum Force
Said to Lieutenant Briggs just prior to his assent to heaven.
Best movie saying ever.
McCoy was also the name brand of an automatic oiler that was used on steam engines. They were the best. It's where the phrase. "The real McCoy " comes from.
My...you've in 5 cents with that piece of nickel knowledge...
Just in time for Black History Month. I almost forgot about that guy!
And no McCoy list would be complete without mentioning the building supply store by that name or the feud with the Hatfield clan
or the song Hang on Sloopy by the McCoy's
Ah yes.....Elijah McCoy - a Canadian-American engineer and inventor.
My ol lady has been asking for a Jeep and I usually say 'You mean heap?' Just to rile her up. Lol
You can't let the intern go until he's had a chance to say "It's dead, Jim". :D
Damnit Jim I’m an automotive technician intern not a magician!
@@ecleveland1hey now I used that line 2 days ago .
"It is life Jim, but not as we know it"
The saying is actually “He’s dead Jim”.
Spock, I'm a doctor, not an escalator!
@19:52 Yup, the old "It worked before I brought it into the shop for other repairs", conundrum!
Then you get into the "You're just trying to rip me off" mentality.
💸💸💸😂
McCoy gonna have to learn to say "Dammit Eric!!"
I’m an intern not a mechanic 😂
man it never fails to amaze me how unprotected the fuse box in the bay that is always exposed to moisture.
The old “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” sometimes is the best way to go !
“ As always Thanks for the post !
McCoy, you are watching a master at work. Bring your notebook errrday and take notes my friend. I'd kill for the opportunity you have!!
😂How do you think McCoy got there? Three of his class mates are still reported missing!
Yep
Good diagnostic, Eric! I noted that it was around minute 5:34, when you were checking pin 85 with the test light, that the LED went full brightness, and you hadn't touched the fuse yet. Maybe it was the relay socket that was making a bad contact.
Agreed. At that point, Eric had his test probe connected to the ground, and when he touched what we would find to be the ground side of the relay, it got bright. I would suspect a bad ground somewhere. If true, it will be back.
@@rgmoore My thoughts exactly, but now he knows where to look, if it returns.
Agree with this comment. That relay socket might need a closer look. Love the channel Eric, I've learned a lot. Trying my best to keep my 2003 Ranger (B4000) from rusting away in NH!
@@chriskenney1459 👍
Yes it looks like the control ground could have high resistance causing the light to be dim.
I also noticed a blip in the light when McCoy switched the ignition I believe.
The LED was doing a lot around 7:23
Glad to hear your gas sniffin ability has returned. An important safety feature in any shop!
McCoy is a very lucky guy working and learning from a true master mechanic like you! You are knowledgeable, honest, and generally nice guy! Honesty is something you don’t see much of any more in New York. I can say that because I am also from the “Peoples Republic of New York! Salt and rust capital of the USA.
thumbs up neighbor,but i DO know some honest techs,,kinda like almost anywhere,,it's always the poop smell that spreads the fog over all..
@@TeemarkConvair I am retired master mechanic
And I have to watch out for the dishonesty in the Auto and truck repair shops and dealers in NY when I need to get work done on my vehicles. I know a lie and what BS is but they still try to get over on me. I’m too old to do my own repairs anymore I really have ch to watch what they do! Dealers, independents some are just stupid or untrained idiots others are just dishonest to the bone!
Super lucky young fella to have you as a mentor
They put the main relay THERE? On a 4WD? Man, I thought Land Rover were stupid.
No good deed goes unpunished... I 100% concur with how you handled those green crusties...Let customer know and go from there...
DREADED TIPM.our town and country. Nightmare, replaced TIPM twice, fuel pump, ignition switch, various other things, spent over $6,000 and never did find out what it was. Summer time started every time, got cold out and it was hit or miss. Now the wife unit drives a Toyota 😊
In my Pajero it was a $3 temp sensor.
I have a feeling this one's coming back...😮
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Love this. Watch your videos more than Netflix now.
Drinking game every time Eric says McCoy lol
I have been a mechanic all my life and had my share of it was fine befor you touched it.
Another Clean & Reseat of a Fuse or connector fixes a problem. We in the NAVY called F... Magic (FM). 😎
HA! In my air force unit it was JFM. Just Fn Magic. 😂
Famous Magic ?!
We called it PFM…pure freakin’ magic
A related gremlin is the queertron short for queer (weird) electron, a term I learned in the Navy. The source of many "could not duplicate on the ground" complaints in aviation.
My favorite philosopher, Dirty Harry. “A man’s got to know his limitations.” Good call on the green crusties. Let the customer know and decide.
I know what you're thinking: Did he change 5 or 6 spark plugs? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I kinda lost track myself
Takes me back to when I first found your channel 5 years ago Eric. My '09 Patriot 2.2D had the corroded ASD relay issue and you helped me locate and solve it for peanuts and time. Been a follower ever since 👍
250,000 mile Jeep?
It's a museum piece!
😂😂😂
Wrong a fiat jeep that is rare but I got 3 90's jeeps 2 cherokees and wrangler they all got 300k plus on them going strong
"A man's gotta know his limitations." I think that's a Dirty Harry quote. Good video. 👍
I know what you're thinking: Did he change 5 or 6 spark plugs? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I kinda lost track myself
That was the CLEANEST and most SHINY electric component pins in all of SMA history.
“Your a legend in your own mind “ not you Eric it’s another quote for Eastwood. Your just a legend!
*you're...
@SouthMainAuto
5:34 That is the first instance where your LED fully illuminated.
5:41 It remained bright.
At this point you had not touched the TIPM...
6:35 Then there is some tomfoolery with the key... but you were providing ground. But then it stayed bright even after removing ground.
I'm not sure what to think about this one yet.
"A man's gotta know his limitation" I believe is what Clint would say. Another great diagnosis! Well Done Eric
McCoy is a Scottish family name, the family motto was Manu forti, which means "a strong hand". He will find a strong hand very useful in your trade.
Staggering to realise I was watching Kirk, Bones, Scotty,Spock and all the rest of the crew over 50 years ago.
Of course, excellent video as always.
I bet McCoy knows more diagnostics by now than most people will ever know.
Keep it up.
Here in Tennessee we call the green crust "gremlin poop" great video as always! 👍
Ooo a video, watching on lunch at work. Top notch wiring diagram editing in this video
Thanks. It takes a little extra to do that but I think it helps to see the process overall.
@@SouthMainAuto I don’t know how much you’re getting off this CZcams gig, but it’s probably not enough, you’re losing money on your business to make us happy and I’m sure we all appreciate it.
It all works out in the end :-) @@JacobEcret
Don't worry about him haha this 'gig' making my man damn near what his main job is earning
@@alial-faesly2902 It's lovely to hear that! Wish You All a house on Hawaii
a: It always makes me feel super old when the youngsters don't get old pop culture references, b: McCoy didn't use the horn when backing out. :-)
Amen brother, if it ain’t broke don’t try and fix it. Best lesson I learned many years ago, keep up the good work man!
The internet: Chrysler junk!
250,000 mile rust belt Chrysler economy car: Please reseat one of my 10 cent fuses and I'll keep going.
There's always an exception to every rule :)
Just as I was scrolling through reading all the dumb comments the internet totally redeems itself 😊
Amazing!!
Yeah except what you don’t know is that the fuse is loose from when the engine and trans had to be replaced for the 3rd time.
It IS piss-poor engineering though. My trusty old Smart Forfour is 18 years old, has always lived here in the Netherlands where we have all kinds of terrible weather, and yet it doesn't have problems with crusty electrics. Now compare that to a vehicle that supposedly has been designed to go off-road like this Jeep and you can see the problem. This is simple penny wise and pound foolish engineering by Jeep to save a couple of dollars.
Helped a neighbor with a no start last night so she can get to work and it always feels good to hear that baby turn on afterwards . Your channel and Paul’s have helped me a ton your a great teacher .
Eric, you are so good at diagnosing with those wire diagrams. Learned alot here!
Thanks !
I love these videos. I can never get enough of them.
Changed up the exit from "I" to "We". I like that. That is the way to be. Another great video from you. Thank You!
Marvellous engineering, its an off-road vehicle, it'll go wading, there will be water down below so that's where we'll put the fuse-box! so glad I own a Land Rover, all my electrics are high up!
I'm retired now but spent my career in the west. You run into more green crusty stuff in 1 month than I did in several years.
I enjoy watching you working through the process. Must watch stuff for anyone looking at turning wrenches for a living. Also, good call not touching things unrelated to the original complaint but taking notes and informing the customer of potential future problems.
Me retired too. Coastal driven cars in California can over time develope green krusties only less pronounced. Have found hidden high resistance on older classic cars.
You didn't notice the light on the tester got brighter when you put the test light in pin 85.
I seen that. I suspect bad ground
Yeah, I thought the same thing.
I did.. I was confused when he didn't explain what it was doing. (5:20) - His test light was tied to ground--- and when he tested that ground side (because he thought it was the power side at first), it would light up that little red LED, but not the test light. So for me, that means that the computer was sending a bad/weak ground control-- and he just gave it a good ground through the test light.... That doesn't explain what ultimately fixed it though.??? Maybe the bad connection was at the relay pins and he just scrapped them "clean" with his test adapter box...? He didn't really do anything to fix it--- it worked the first time he manually flipped that switch. So maybe it was just a bad/ stuck relay and that's it; and handling it made it break loose and work again for now.
It got bright every time McCoy turned the key. He finally noticed when McCoy left it on. He should really look back on this to be sure.
I think that is at about 6:40 when with the test light attached he had McCoy turn the key off and then back on.
Down here it's the Hatfields and McCoys. Just don't make him mad. 🤣
Hats off to the owner getting 250K. Definitely not a Friday or a Monday car.
That has to be with the odometer upsidedown. Its really 52K
actually my daughter had a 2016 Pat on her mail route and sold it at around 175 k it held up fairly great 4 wheel bearings total and spark plugs every 30k, and 1 transmission service at 80 k
Had a 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee random engine dying. Found and aviation mechanic on utube found the problem ECU cover on engine firewall cover screws too long. All I did was back them off. He put in shorter screws. That did not get into motherboard causing ground. First praise for utube help 🎉
Don't disturb the rat's nest until you have a contract to fix it! ;) Good call on the red/wht wire corrosion!
Thanks Eric and McCoy aka Bones for my evening entertainment. Another great video from SMA!!
You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away, know when to run!
A good chase down to something simple, hard for you to accept! Still leaves you unsure !
in the airplane service it is common to extract and reinsert fuses and relays, re racking, to prevent green crusties. i do it annually on my motorcycles.
I drive an older Michigan car. Every time I remove a fuse or relay, it is a wrestling match.
i agree on leaving the green crusty wire alone! The truck fired up and backed out of the shop. After a few years in the business a person learns.
When you deal with the general public you learn real fast to cover your butt....or you sink
I can understand!@@SouthMainAuto
Looks like McCoy is coming along pretty well with you Eric!
I just seen on the news they say that car repairs are breaking people because of the extremely high cost of repairs on these new high tech vehilces.
That's their intention
Excellent video.
Deoxit 5 is your friend on those intermittent contacts.
He has those
Big AMEN to Deoxit.
Treated new server RAM sockets, HDD power & data connections & mainboard power connections with it. Had multiple servers run 24x7x365 for FIFTEEN plus years.
Three times Dell's maximum warranty period.
Deoxit works.
Does Mcoy like icecream?
Probably makes a good moonshine float.
Chrysler folks carry spare TIPM's in the back with the spare tire.
The AEWave led light comes on at 5:44 BEFORE you remove fuse 33 at 9:40.
I think you are totally right on the ship it down the road, surprising that a Liberty has made it to 250K miles !
At 13 minute he comments again about thinking it was dim. Somehow I perfectly moved the slider back to early in the video and by total luck landed EXACTLY on where he's showing the relay box and commenting about how dim the LED is.
What I've learned from you about electrical car problems: check the battery, check the fuses, and check the grounds. And of course, know how to read a wiring diagram.
Very thorough. Leave no stone unturned while not creating other problems.
I got one of the original U-activates. Cool little tool .
Nicely Done ERIC :-))
Lots of poking and tracing. Hoping no return on the bad connections. Nice to see the thought process.
The LED went bright and then out at about 6:38 when McCoy turned the ignition off, Seconds later, when he turned the ignition back on, it came on bright, never to be dim again. For what it's worth, that's what it looked like.
Glad you got Caleb helping you now
You made the right call brother
Yeah, another SMA video!
Definitely Clint Eastwood , “man’s got to know his limitations”
Thanks for the video Eric and McCoy.
I had a similar problem on my old boat with the old style glass fuses. Ignition circuit dead no gauges no engine crank. Checked a punch of things then pulled out the fuse and found while the fuse was not blown & had continuity, the terminal ends were oxidized so no current was flowing. Cleaned fuse box terminals & replaced all the fuses. Really have to replace the old fuse box this season. Simple DC wiring like old cars had so easy to fix….
Pay attention mc Coy !!! Great Teacher you have there Son
Thanks for the lesson gained from your experience
Awesome job there
So is McCoy your new apprentice now ..
Don't you just love those type of faults ..👍👍👍👍
When you first connected the grounded test light to pin 85 (what we now know is the control side) the LED suddenly became bright. You obviously missed it .
I immediately knew that pins 85 and 86 were reversed and that the problem is on the control side, pin A13 on the diagram.
I think i seen the LED brighten up at 535 in the video on in testing with the brake out box. Great job as always. God Bless you all.
You don’t have your guy tap the horn prior to backing out of the garage?
Nice diagnosis as always Eric!
Nice find
Nice work McCoy
It was very interesting watching you, you there, hooking up the box looking for a short. I'm not very electrical but, I watch you and Bernie all the time. Awesome..
I’m glad you got you a huckleberry following you around the shop one day he may need to know this information you’re talking about
Relay coil can be polarized due to fly back diode inside the relay
Just surprised today you didn't vaccum all the leaves under the TIPM. Yes, don't mess with this box until is really necessary. Your diagnosis is good Eric.!
Good good, like to see the process.
Nice find. in situations like this, I'll usually give the fuse legs a slight twist so that they grab the connector better.
The moment that you fixed it is at 6:30) .. You switched your test light FROM power and had it probed into the power side of the coil and when he cycled the key on and off--- that gave it just enough juice through the test light to break through the corroded connection (wherever it is)---- which then caused your red LED light on the tester to stay bright.. even when you take away the test light. Before that, the little LED was always dim. So we never really found where the "issue" actually was................. You immediately flipped the switch and it worked as normal. You could have just thrown the relay back in there and it would have been done right then. Pulling the fuse and replacing, etc.. may have been the bad connection point, but we don't actually know; it sort of fixed itself before you could find it.
I’m a DIY guy that doesn’t mind investing in tools and knowledge. I LOVE this channel because I get to see the logic of a repair. One question, where are you getting those wiring diagrams ect? Showing the fuse/relay location on the vehicle and the way current and grounds flow? What subscription is that? Dang, I’d invest in that just to learn the ins and outs of my vehicles!!
Your test light made the led brighter, then after McCoy cycled the key the light got bright.
If it ain't broke... Good call, as usual. Thanx for another good one Mr.O
I total agree, only fix what the vehicle complaint is. That is a separate job
When you think you've seen everything, something new comes along. As fuses and other electrical parts age, corrosion seems to find a way to coat the connection points almost like it's magnetically attracted. Even in Southern California. I've seen that milky white coating.
Hopefully, that's all it was this time. Good one Mr. O.
Just the greatest 🙂♥️
Great video! The ones that start working when you 'touch' them are the toughest to diagnose!?! I've seen it in brand new equipment, and once I touched them they never acted up again.
Very clear video! Nice catch! We could see the crustiness. Love that you have someone to pass on your wisdom to..... 👍 🖖
Agreed. We handle those situations like that as well.
6.30 is where it happens 😉
McCoy missed the honk leaving the building 😊