This Just Changed EVERYTHING for the Ryder Cup (AGAIN!)
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- čas přidán 30. 04. 2024
- LIV Golfers Jon Rahm, Tyrell Hatton, and others may gave just discovered a 'loophole' which would allow them to qualify for the Ryder Cup team.
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Im not burned as a fan. We watch Scottie win on the PGA on Sunday and we watch LIV on CZcams with no commercials and all action. I warch Bryan Bros and Grant when we need daily golf.
I see Taco I say okehhhh
It was when the pga tour started making the tour wrap around the year. That’s what ended the Australian and other smaller tours. Remember the Nedbank million dollar challenge in South Africa and then Australia had the Australian open, pga and Masters (it was the gold jacket😅). Because the pga tour was in their off season during November to Feb back in the day, top golfers could go play and help support other tours now they can’t really as it clashes with the pga events. The likes of Adam Scott, Min Woo Lee, Cam smith etc came back to support the tour in Australia whereas Jason Day hasn’t come back for many years when he could have. PGA totally screwed the Australian tour and with LIV it’s their only chance to get high calibrr fields there now. Jack Nicklaus, Tiger have won multiple times in Australia. Not only in Australia did the fans turn out for LIV but in Hong Kong as their first ever time to get such a strong field. That’s what golf should be about. Like you guys said why don’t they just let LIV make it for a worldwide tour. You might only need say 8-10 events but to have more elite players playing in countries and places where it’s hard to access elite players playing in one field. These PGA loyalty payments might even make it worse off for the pga, basically youre paying such a big chunk of the $$$ just to the top few guys whereas the other guys who would need it more basically get not much again. Out of spite guys might jump to LIv
It is all about the A in PGAT, this is an American corporation who swallowed the rest of world golf for their own consumption and to put a product on US TV every weekend. The Earth spins on its axis giving summers/winters. Prior to the 2000's top talent played in the USA then came to Australia/South Africa in the US winter for 4-6 tournaments (not to grow the game, but to compete, The Australian Open was called the 5th major for a reason, the South African open from memory is the longest running open in the world, the prize money was also good). Nicklaus was not a 6 times Australian open winner and Gary Player 7 by accident. The honour role included Tom Watson/Bobbie Locke, while more like Arnold Palmer and Payne Stewart came close (these were in the days it took two days and 3 stops by plane not private jets). The movement to make the PGAT and OWGR which NOW act as one was a deliberate play to control all talent into continental USA as was the mechanism to lock players there for 40+ weeks a year with the Fed Ex cup etc. In the early 2000's you could have players like Luke Donald, Kaymer as world #1 who based themselves outside the USA, that is no longer an option, you must grind it out week in week out on PGAT. WORLD GOLF did not change, just PGAT monopoly of it (love clowns like Brandel and Monaghan calling Australia an emerging market, with all due respect PISS OFF). And yes you can say nobody forces them to play 40+ weeks in the US of A, but if they did not then their rankings suffered as OWGR became the stick that forced players into specific tournaments. Players all reported burnout, the elites have made it clear they want to play 20-25 times a year, and until LIV that meant life in continental USA and two weeks out for the Open and a warm up on links. PGAT has not missed a trick with Australia, what it did was deliberate and commercial it bullied and crushed all world tours (even DP) as any dominant business will do. Many of us see LIV as the liberator to right these wrongs, so to believe LIV does not have a massive following worldwide is nuts. By the way Monaghan realising he has left Australia out his suggestion was to send a Korn Fery event down here............ yes master many thanks...... If I sound like sour grapes read the 100's of thousands of BBQing Sunday Americans claiming LIV is stealing their game, then you know what PGAT did to all other tours (there has not been harmony for decades just a dictator tour). No other global sport, F1, Athletics, Tennis, swimming, Olympics has taken the route of PGAT and now it is suffering, importantly the players are not, choice has returned for them, despite the best efforts of Jay and others to brand them supporters of 9/11 killers, and ensuring they cannot as independent contractors play where they chose!
True that!!
Well written
The public has short memories you summarized it perfectly
I understand what you are saying but the A stands for Association. As in Professional Golfers Association.
There’s a Professional Golfers Association of America; as there are for other nations, such as PGA of Canada.
And then of course there is the Professional Golfers Association Tour. Or the PGA Tour.
Why would any LIV player from Europe pay a fine to play in the Ryder Cup. What exactly are the LIV players doing wrong? How is this enticing Rahm to play for Europe in the Ryder Cup. DP World Tour is acting like they are trying to do Rahm a favor. Pro golfers are independent contractors so what is the problem on playing on the LIV Tour.
They resigned their membership to the DP tour. That's why they aren't eligible
Independent contractors that need tournaments to survive,,, in other words they’re not independent… wake up. If they were independent they’d have their own tour.😂
@@ericjencson9489 it's Europe vs USA not tour vs tour
@@edanzore I don't make the criteria. Membership is required to earn the points necessary to qualify for the team. The DP tour controls what European players need to do to earn world ranking points. The first thing is you have to be a member.
PGA has acted like D Bags throughout this entire process all while playing victim.
DP is gaslighting LIV players hardcore… Sergio didn’t resign his membership and was told he was banned from the Ryder Cup no matter if he paid the fines… and they stripped Henrik of being the captain just for playing on LIV
Great point. DP hypocrisy
So, let’s break this down. Ryder Cup is a exhibition game and players are invited to represent their country. Now, if you are playing for LIV, you are penalized even if you are asked to represent your country. 😂 Who are the idiots that think this is a bright idea?
the Ryder Cup IS NO EXHIBITION GAME its the best golf match ever
No. Liv doesn't meet the criteria because they resigned their membership to the European tour. You have to be a member of the PGA of America or the R&A to qualify.
It's worth acknowledging that Greg Norman is directly responsible for the strength of Australian golf.
His commitment and dedication to growing the Australian game via Junior Golf sponsorship and promotion has for years been unquestionable.
Greg's Junior Golf support in Australia is unparalleled.
Will be interesting how this will play out when PIF buys out the DP Tour. This will no longer be an issue !!.
I'll tell you what it don't really matter I just love to watch golf ... Liv golf is a new way of golf it's more laid back and its cool to uave a shotgun start and every golfer plays that day its different in a good way
It’s a sham. Nothing more that what every men’s club do on weekends. 54 holes of the Shark’s BS.
case by base basis, the dp tour only last week handed Jon Rahm and Tryell Hatton lifetime bans.
So it’s not about having the best euro players ??? Maybe these people/organizations shouldn’t be in charge of golf’s biggest events
The loyalty payments are a sign that there will be no deal. PGAT has always operated on the assumption that LIV has already failed. Ironically, it's the PGAT that is already dead. I haven't watched it in over a decade except recently I tried watching 5 events to compare and it's still unwatchable. I don't recognize any of the names except for maybe a handful. And these no names are winning.
PGAT has operated under one strategy and one strategy only. To delay and not give an inch to LIV until they close shop. That's all they've ever done. That's all they will ever do. They believe LIV has already failed and it's just a matter of time until they fold. They've now secured their top players from going to LIV. So now it's a game of attrition and that was the whole point of SSG investment. It's the ONLY thing that makes sense. No one enters a field where all your top talent is being poached.
I'm saying it now. This is do or die for PGAT. If LIV sticks around, PGA fails. They're in it to the death right now. The problem for LIV right now is how are they going to get new players?
If there was signs of an agreement, we'd have seen it by now. But PGAT, OWGR and the majors haven't given an inch to LIV. OWGR just gave a 36 tour ranking points. It's all politics and money. PGAT still bans players. DP Tour is still fining LIV players. PGAT is still sanctioning courses that host LIV events. It's not getting better.
This equity plan changes nothing for LIV, they can and will still buy players. Players may think a little longer before they take a deal, but money talks at the end of the day. Also going forward LIv doesn't need to always buy players from the PGAT ranks, there is a whole world of new talent coming through across the world.
@@mineshjogia9945 I wonder if they're making players sign a contract to get the loyalty money. There might be a penalty in the contract or agreement. You are correct. There are players all over the world.
I think it’s like a last desperate attempt to stop players going to LIV. I’d say they will have to sign some sort of contract that if the break will result in a huge fine or having to pay back triple the amount they took for the loyalty payment and lifetime bans etc. I can’t really see the tour merging to be honest
I don’t think it is a sign of imminent merger. I suspect PGAT wanted LIV to ‘compensate’ PGAT players and not to pay from their own pocket.
Hilarious that the rules are simple and clear then the Yank says “let’s see if we can understand this”. It’s very straightforward guys
Do any of you think that any of the LIV players would actually pay the fine? Someone else would pick up that tab if the players expressed interest to play.
Sergio was told the opposite by Luke Donald
Guy Kinnings isn’t Keith Pelley -
Great Podcast as usual
The guys that went to LIV are the ones who took a huge gamble, the ones that stayed on the PGAT don't deserve a dime for being cowards.
The Ryder cup isn't what it use to be for a number of reasons, but to bend the rules for cash.. sorry, 'fines', just shows how currupt and greedy golf is to the core. I'd respect the LiV players alot more if they didnt pay and play.. boycott the event. The DP tour etc has tied a rope for its own neck.
100%… why should fines matter. Nothing but greed
Most, if not all the majors qualify as DP World events.
Well that’s the end of the Ryder Cup has been in decline imo for a while now this is the final nail in the coffin 😢
With all the millions liv players got from Saudi golf,fee is just a cheap change!
They resigned because the fines were huge
DP guy said there was no change at all and no loophole. Been this way all along.
Then why was Henrik stripped of his captancy? Why was Sergio told he was still banned if he payed his fines?
I just really don’t like the euros taking money from players. Rahm, hatton and Meronk would be 1/4 of the best euro team possible in 25. If rahm truly wants to use his weight to bring everyone together, these 3 could boycott that event. Along with brooks and others on the yankee side.
Adelaide was huge last year and other LIv events have been a huge success. But you can’t expect everyone to have a civilized party like Adelaide. Many places for cultural reasons will party less but enjoy it just as much. And some will party more and maybe not be so civilized. It’s a case by case basis as this DP guy Kinney likes to say.
Keep in mind Adelaide coverage started around 3 pm in the islands, 6 pm on the west coast and around 9 on the east: we call that PRIME TIMe!
The pga tour loyalty payouts are a joke. But at least less of a joke than pip, which may be the biggest joke I’ve ever heard of.
Fact check: a little less than 1$ billion is being shared by players . Not 1.5. That extra half will go for other things; which of course no one knows exactly what.
The pga tour and the cups will continue to be shells of themselves without the LIv players. People talk big names but there are so many we don’t talk about that are huge stars in their countries or regions.
“Staying loyal” is worth nothing. LIV players left PGA at personal risk ultimately has create greater financial opportunities for all golfers.
Loyalty payments from PGA is their last throw of the dice.
The Australian event was great last year too? Did you guys miss that? The anti-LIV perspective from you two is old… even the positive aspects get spinned to be negative.
The floor moves? What is that, like playing during an Earthquake?
Money for the top players in golf is ridiculous. Loyalty bonuses for multimillionaires is disgusting. Spend the money on grass roots level or amateur golfers trying to make it.
Pga needs money
Ryder cup is finished as to what the tournament really meant because of what both sides have done or want to do.
DP want to fine players who went to Liv so effectively pay to play for ex players.
Some PGA players want to be paid to play in the Ryder cup & not do it for free & amongst usa players its gaining momentum.
The DP Tour is a bad excuse for a golf tour...it is just a feeder PGA-affiliated tour. I think it's a bit arrogant to expect top golfers to pay ridiculous fines to play on it...If I were them I would pay the top golfers on LIV to play on their tour to give it some credibility!
I can't see LIV players if Tour stays at 14 events ,,play 4 majors.
Why would these top liv players if deal done play more than 4 PGA events.
They don't want to play 24 + events a year!!!
Love you guys to discuss
Dom from OZ ,we have been starved for 30 yts ,seeing top PGA players except Pres Cup,Melbourne 4 courses best in the World within 10miles of each other
PGA is an American golf tour by Americans for mainly American golf followers.
LIV is an international golf tour for golf followers in the rest of the world.
Americans have to realize at some point that America is not the center of the world! Everything golf does not need to be by and for the PGA (America)...there are more golfers and golf followers/fans in the rest of the world than in America.
A golf follower/fan doesn't just stop following or watching golf. That 35% fewer viewers of PGA events...they are now LIV viewers.
PS" what pisses me off is most of the so-called golf commentators, podcast-host, golf journalists and fans making negative comments about LIV...usually shortly after they said they don't follow or watch it! Remember the word OBJECTIVE...
LiV golf fans have to realize you are a very small percent of people and you don't profit shit. Guarantee more Europeans are now interested in guys like Aberg and Hoijgaard than Rahm and other guys who have left. Someone told me you could see the body language in Rahm and Koepka at an LIV event that they knew they made a mistake. That LIV is a clown show and circus and by all means if that's your thing go for it. But it's trash and it isn't meant for all golf fans over the world. MOST Golf fans want to see you earn your money with every stroke. FOH with that Bs
There is no way The Ryder Cup won't be competitive. But, Rahm is getting to much praise. Look to Augusta, Rahm tied for 45th. Not impressive at all.
And I don't care a hoot about LIV golf. I am a traditionalist.
As far as this reward, 100M is justified for Tiger, but you know, Tiger is a loyal American and would not sell his soul. I believe Tiger would have stayed even without this bonus, because he loves what the PGA tour means to him. There are so many Americans, like myself, who believe in loyalty and tradition and to hell with the money as well. The PGA tour is paying good money already and no matter how much is on the line, all these players are always doing there best.
There is never going to be enough money. What I do know is, my Home, Auto and Life insurance will all cost me more, due to these deals being made behind the scenes of the PGA.
Another stupid move by PGA they are burning cash and as i have said for the last year in 2 years the SSG will look for payout and PGA will have to go to LIV for cash
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Rory erriwill do anything to get Rahm in the Ryder Cup ! That’s sad when you are that scared to loose! Grow up play hard you win you win ! If you loose you loose ! Terrible how Rory has waffled !
BOnuses - they would get squat were it not for LIV.
Tiger is old and broken time to move on!!!!!!
So not liv fines dp world tour fines
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You guys looking to get a slice of that sweet Saudi $? LOL. Repeating Norman’s garbage about the fans at Augusta is next level
The arrogance of the PGA has caught them in an awkward position. So they decide to pay big money to a handful of players who remained loyal to their tour.
The PGA should have listened to Phil and taken the meeting with Norman.
One last comment, loyalists of the PGA talk about Saudi Arabia human rights issues. Well I ask them, tell me how you feel about China human rights and the theft of all the US intellectual property all these years and just who makes all our golf gear. Go LIV! A great product and here to stay and grow.
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Its time to get rid of this.
as usual THE PGA COME OUT AS CROOKS END OF
LIV has ruined professional golf. Probably set the sport back 20 years or more. The LIV players skills are noticeably worse than pre-LIV. They were AWFUL at The Masters. Good for them getting their money. They will have no golf or professional legacy other than destroying the sport.
PGA🖕🏽🖕🏿 because of the garbage they are pulling I only watch the majors. LIV has the players I enjoy!
WHO ARE CHAOTIC TRIBE WHO OWNS THE "PGA"?????
LIV is full of age and players who are unable to compete on the PGAT. Only a very few can make cuts on the PGAT.
How anyone can support the Saudi owned Kashoggi Tour is beyond me!!!!!
In 2024 what is the practical benefit of the cut, other than thinning the field? 4 round tournaments on the PGA tour is an unnecessary punish for viewers and disrespectful to the players who contribute to the product but don’t make the cut