Budget Saw VS Budget Saw!You CAN Afford & Have the space!
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- čas přidán 10. 12. 2022
- Ever said I "I haven't got the space for a cabinet saw" or I can't afford a cabinet saw... watch this and make the right choice! You'll kick yourself if you dont!
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My apologise guys... - I had to delete the upload! I didnt see a copyright issue so had to edit some junk from Epidemic sound out and upload it again...
No apologies needed, your vids are great, whenever you get time to release them 👍
You are the funniest woodworker on you tube
Thanks Mark for the compliment mate, I hope you’re well!!! 🍻🍻🍻
Just rewatched the video…. Now going to have to watch the restoration ones again. The video doesn’t do your cabinet saw justice…. That’s a thing of beauty….
As much as I’m biased I so agree I do love just looking at it, using now even after a year of using it is still like the first day!
@@HewAndAwe being lucky enough to see it in the flesh I must admit you would never think it’s older than me… 🤣 just…. But great restoration job love it… and if you ever need someone to take it off your hands I’ll pay £600 and I’ll even throw in the extra £100 for the adjuster knob 🤪🤪🤣🤣🤣
Thanks Ben. I would never have believed that the 'footprint' of a cabinet saw and job saw could be so close.
Exactly what I thought, couldn’t believe it! But then it kinda makes sense cause that’s the bench mark set by the cabinet saw design that they’ll all aspire to be when they grow up 😁
8x4 ply on my own used to be no bother MDF bit harder , when i woe a younger mans clothes
On a site saw, or?
@@HewAndAwe on a pp plenty of support back front and both sides
I have an Axminster AC216TS in an 8’x8’ workshop. It can be done!
When I had that size shop I made a letter box to get the length through the saw was kinda like an airport security scanner lol
Yep when I looked at jobsite saws a few years ago I was surprised to find they were not really that much smaller than a cabinet saw... just a lot lighter, which then brings in a lot of the issues you've highlighted so well Ben. So I had to pass on either as they were all _just_ too big to push against the wall and still get the car in. If only someone made a decent genuinely small saw... 🤔😅
I did think of you when I was making that vid, it was all edited and done before your saw vid, when I thought of you the point came into my head peeps like you could never have such a saw in that situation, 200kg on wheels is a bad idea. 😅
Wadkin every day of the week. Had a gts 10x table saw and whilst it had some good points they were outweighed by the bad ones like a flawed and inaccurate fence, ditto the sliding table which was difficult to properly align, the poor dust extraction and the motor was quite noisy. Give me a proper purpose made cabinet saw every time. Used, you can get one as cheap as a new overpriced Bosch. I also like the more all singing all dancing table saws with bells snd whistles like the laguna fusion 3 and even the better charnwood models. They sacrifice some heft and quality but get great value and really useful kit in return.
Oh I don’t miss it 😂 I especially hated when I thin bit of wood slipped town and choked the dust port up!
@@HewAndAwe lol…I get that with my W650 too
Good comparison Ben, everybody has to start somewhere. Unless you know about the heavier industrial table saws and have the space to put one, most newcomers to wood machining
tend to follow the big CZcams channels who might only have a small hobby or site saw and may have no experience using a professional cabinet saw. Chalk and cheese Ben. Tony
I thought that was my point, that it doesn’t have to be alike that?
Lovely video, cheers. Really enjoyed the restoration one too. After much deliberation I bought a fairly whopping Harvey table saw for my tiny workshop and it’s made all the difference. Especially after battling with a cack old Charnwood I got on the free one 8 years ago. I was willing that thing to die for years. I used it in the corridor and it was an absolute pain. The new saw is obviously in the shop, I’ve had to rig everything but I’ve ended up with more room, regret not doing it years ago
Thank you Dominic, nice of you to say mate!
Quick question Ben, I’m pretty keen on changing my high/low ali fence for something like you have on your Wadkin. Do you mind me asking where you got that? Thanks
It came with the saw dude. But I’m confused you saying high/low?
High/low are what you tend to get with modern saws, they are big lumps of extruded Ali. A high side and a lower profile side that can be flipped. I think the idea is that it’s safer to go with the low option on thinner stock. I never use it. I just leave it as is. I want to swap the Ali out for some hardened plastic, much like you have on yours, mostly just to cut down on so much guff being attached to the fence
Ah Gotchya I actually wanted to install the Bosch version on my wadkin makes for safer rips on thin small stock and also means I don’t have to take the dust hood off the saw to rip small bits, I’ve never got round to it though.
thanks
You’re welcome ☺️
Thanks buddy, another good one, defo the Wadkins for me, an altogether better saw, cheers mate keep it real and keep 'em coming
Changes how you think eh about tools and the BS we're fed to buy a lesser product...
@@HewAndAwe Yea defo, I've got chisels that are over 100 yrs old (my grandads) far better than any of my modern ones, thanks for your great vids, have a good Christmas
Thank you Ben for another great video, 🤔 interesting conversation my GF was having and you managed to record it😳
I would love a table saw like your wadkins but until my finances get sorted I'm in the market for a budget jobsite saw and will have to move up slowly.
🎄 Hope you have a lovely Christmas mate, big kiss 😘 and cuddles to the dogs.
Cheers dude! I don’t get it, why would you spend more on a lesser saw or are you thinking of the really budget saws? Man if you are please check the alignment of the fence every cut and never cut with out the riving knife out, I had a couples of really budget saws and they scared the shit out of me! 😬
@@HewAndAwe yeah I understand mate but finances are really shit and I mean shit. Caught covid December 2019, yes Dec 2019 and been ill unable to work ever since, transpires I have long covid, then matters made worse with covid again 2022. no work = no money so the idea was to get my garage workshop up and running again so I can work on a schedule that suits my health and maybe put out an occasional CZcams video of the W/shop transformation and items I have made.
I'm no wood butcher but then neither am I as skilled as you. But I really think I can make a budget saw work with a good blade and attention to alignment with jigs I have planned. Fingers crossed!
Remember this, your videos are a fonte of knowledge and truly inspirational and help me keep sight of my goal as long as it has taken.
How ya feeling now dude? I had covid I was in bed for two weeks! 😬
@@HewAndAwe
Sorry for the late reply bud, really glad you got rid of it, for some people it can be really evil.
Unfortunately when I got rid of covid it left me with its cousin long covid which is a fooking nightmare! To list all that it has caused me would take to long, but let's jus say one shopping visit to Tesco can and has put me in bed for anything from a day to a week, plus normal day to day difficulties and memory/concentration problems. Just got to try and feel my way through now. Thank you for asking though.
Hi there, great videos. Where did you manage to source your spare parts for your wadkin table saw, as I've just got one and need a few parts.
Thank you very much.
Thank you. I didn’t need many parts, bolts nuts and washers I got from my local hardware merchant, the fence adjuster I bought from www.advancedmachinery.co.uk/machinery/parts.asp?section=wadkin-spare-parts-1948 also eBay and the Wadkin Facebook group 👍
@@HewAndAwe perfect thank you kindly 🙏
Top draw as always Ben, only challenge now is that you’ve ruined my argument to the boss about not having enough space in the workshop for a cabinet saw…. Your also right about the dewalt saw it’s got a great rack and pinion fence but when you lock it down the far end of the fence does jump out of alignment unless you keep a little bit of pressure on it….
Tell me, is the dewalt the same size as the Bosch?
@@HewAndAwe I’ll go measure it tomorrow…. But it’s got to be close… mine is a few year old now but the basic form factor is the same. I think the flex vault version might be smaller…..
@@HewAndAwe Sorry mate I forgot to update the post... the dewalt has a bed that measures 570 wide by 630 deep and its 310 high... its got a neat feature that allows you to move the pins that secure the fence and you can extend the cutting width to just over 615 from memory... its a great little job site saw but thats about as far as its goes....
Not to dissimilar to the Bosch then.
I own a Startrite stationary saw and has a lot of similarities with your Watkins saw. Are they in any way related (both British as a start) I can tilt my saw towards the fence just as the Watkins can. I'm not relaxed cutting steep angles this way but it made profiles this way I couldn't do in any other economical way. It's not safe, I know and I had pieces flying at top speed towards me, but the direction it goes is easy to understand and anticipate. So I know where I have to stand to maintain a healthy crotch condition... Thank you! Best, Job
Haha that’s one of the reasons I raised my saw so I take one in the Jacobs!
Wadkins for me (got a DW745) but i am not chopping 3 1/2" off to get one.... 😂😂
LMFAO Paul!!! 😂😂😂
Don't forget another factor...return on investment or resale value. Try and sell that Bosch or DeWalt contractors saw in 3 years. You'd be lucky to get 30%-50% back for what you paid for it. But a restored vintage cabinet saw? You're likely to get between 90% and 150% of your out of pocket expense back. (Not including your sweat equity into the restoration, sadly, or infrastructure to get 3PH power source). For example, in the US, if you bought it for $600, spent another $500 in parts, you could sell that saw for $1100-$1400 rather easily, 2-3 years after it was restored. Obviously the quality restoration, like you put forth, has to be there to get that return. You can't just put lipstick on a pig...like some of these idiots do.
I agree Tim, was kinda what I meant by it’ll last lifetimes, a saw restored to that degree I think would only go up in value each year as they become rarer. Sadly tools like this sit outside rusting away all over the country 😞
Good saw (and size) comparison Ben 😆. Wadkins wins hands down
What did you think of the price difference?
@Hew & Awe (Ben) well, you were lucky to get a reasonably good Wadkins at that price. For that price, there is no comparison with the small bosch one
How did I watch this video 2hours ago when it came out 15 ago?
I had to delete the upload! I didnt see a copyright issue so had to edit some junk from Epidemic sound out and upload it again... Sorry dude.. 🤨
LMAO. The audio for the size references, and the scribbling out of the invoice in schoolboy graffiti.. Brilliant.😆 I've yet to see this presentation style from Colin Knecht at woodworkweb, bless him.
Ever said I "I haven't got the space for a cabinet saw" ...
I just ordered cordless bosch tablesaw as my workspace is a 1m x 3m shed and an extension lead. Cabinet saw regrettably aint an option for me😒.
I've a question on fence alignment though (and please don't laugh - you can see from my shed comment I'm just a hobbiest....)
Does it really matter if the fence is say 1mm further away from the blade at the end of the table?
I may be wrong but I thought I saw a YT video (from an 'established' channel) where they mentioned (I'll try to explain badly here ) that point of contact with the blade will remain consistent but if anything, it's safer if fence is very slightly away from the blade at the far end as wood is less likely to pinch.
So, say fence is 1mm out front to back. Point of cut at front of blade is 1/3rd of the way across the table, then the point of cut would be 0.333mm different to your measurement but, as the end of the fence is now a further 0.666mm away from the blade, the stock is less likely to pinch as you push it through.
Whereas, if it was 1mm closer to the blade at the far end, the workpiece is more likely to bind between the fence and the blade as you push it through and so you could get kickback etc.
Apologies, I'm watching so many tablesaw vids right now as don't want to sever my digits!
Cheers Ben.👍🙌
Yeah I’ve heard the same many times, it’s one of those grey areas, me personally I’d rather have the fence perfectly aligned to the whole blade, my thinking is you never unless you’re cutting coving want to send a board through diagonally ESPECIALLY towards the the blade cause like you’ve said you’re inviting kickback, with the board going diagonally away from the blade and your pushing towards the fence you’ll find the blade wants to pull the board back towards the blade cause a 10” blade can’t cut like a bandsaw so with that happening you get a slight wavy cut. With that in mind I make sure my fence is near damn perfect like you saw. When it comes to cabinet work there’s very little tolerance, if something is out of square the drawers are gonna rack.
@@HewAndAwe Thanks Ben. I agree, I'd prefer total 100% alignment if I can. Not set up the saw yet but will certainly be ensuring it ain't pinching my work. Cheers for your time. 👍
Oi! Déjà vu ...... 👌
Im sorry dude, had to delete and re-edit etc, some seconds of sound got me a copy right claim..
Hey Ben 4 weeks no content WTFRU
Christmas break for one, I’ve received a new camera body and have been learning that, two edits are in the pipeline 👍