F4F-3S WildcatFish and her Sister Float Fighters of WW2
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- Several nations flirted with Float Fighters during the Second World War. Let's look at some examples from Italy, Japan, Britain and the USA! Were any of them successful? Let's find out! / worldofwarbirds
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I just love the oddity of floatplane fighters.. from WW1 to the Saunders Roe SR.A/1
The last remaining one you can see at Solent Sky museum, in Southampton. I was there, not a big yet a very lovely place with many very interesting aircrafts and artifacts. Including this SR.A/1
The SARO is actually a Flyingboat ....😉 The hull is integral to the fuselage .. floatplanes are just added on struts ..
The French used a unifying covering term Hydroavions, literally water planes.
You've missed out several significant German American and Japanese floatplanes. There's a particularly elegant US one that was used in the extreme North.
There was also a couple of moves to even up the floatplanes speed drag and combat performance.... by using a retracting center line belly float ... a design idea also developed on the Blackburn B20 patrol bomber. No exposed struts or bracings once airborne but no need for the deep hull and high wind of the true Flyingboat to keep props and engines clear of the water and spray from take off and landing.
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A6M2-N Rufe: "Finally, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!"
PHOTOS I've never SEEN !
Wow. Just Wow.
Fairly competent & enjoyable... gonna have to watch more before jumping on board
Lots of new info for me in this video, and always appreciate the humor.
For what it’s worth, the float fuel tank in the Rufe factors into an episode of the “Final Countdown”-esque anime series Zipang.
6:26 Cool logo, I'd wear an EDO t-shirt.
Im surprised that the Seiran wasn't mentioned unless it wasn't mentioned with it being a Submarine based float plane , love the vids keep up the goodwork 🙂
That one is getting an episode all to itself!
@@worldofwarbirds thankyou for the prompt response and thankyou for the news about the Seiran getting it's own video many thanks
That was pretty well done. Thanks for the upload.
Waterbirds... Excellent ! Thanks again for Your time and efforts Brian ( sp?).
Best Wishes to You and Your Family.
Thanks so much!
There were CAM ships were World War II-era British merchant ships used in convoys as an emergency stop-gap until sufficient escort carriers became available. CAM ship is an acronym for catapult aircraft merchant ship.[1]
They were equipped with a rocket-propelled catapult launching a single Hawker Hurricane, dubbed a "Hurricat" or "Catafighter" to destroy or drive away an attacking bomber. Normally the Hurricane fighter would be lost when the pilot then bailed out or ditched in the ocean near the convoy. CAM ships continued to carry their normal cargoes after conversion.
Seems like a Hurrifloat or Spitfloater could have saved lives and raised moral...but I don't know if they could fly or climb fast enough to catch the marauding Condors.
@@jacobmccandles1767 You've heard of radar, to give advanced warning surely? 🙂
@@Slaktrax of course I have. You've heard of Parasitic Drag, which happens when you have to drag a pontoon all over the sky, surely?
I'll tell you what, I'll go look up the Condor's speed and then we can decide.
@@Slaktrax okay, turns out the Condor has a top speed of 240 mph. A Spitfire or Hurricane with floats might have been quite capable of running them down...and much safer for the pilot.
The Hurricats were a useful, though limited tool against the Luftwaffe. As far as I recall they shot down 8 enemy aircraft with the sad loss of one pilot.
Interestingly the concept was first tested by the RN using Sea Hurricanes and Fulmars on a few support ships.
I like this guy's frank, funny, honest style.
Thanks so much! I appreciate it!
Many thanks for your feedback - on my comment. Love the channel!
A well made and interesting presentation, well researched and presented.
Thanks for the positive feedback!
“Maybe they should get them some of that”. Love it
Convair had a working jet seaplane in the early to mid 50s this video of it, I think they were testing it down in San Diego it was a delta wing configuration and it has retracting skis.
Amazingly, the USSR kept making jet powered float planes into the 60s. They had Ekranoplanes operating into the 70s or 80s.
Great job thank you!
The Sea Dart is the craziest idea of a seaplane.
Good content. Subbed.
You should cover more float planes
I've got a few in my existing library: Sunderland, Kingfisher, He115...but for sure I'll do more!
10:30 when the "shi"-den becomes the "shite"-den
I have video taken with a gun camera cine machine salvaged from a crashed aircraft of the float Spits on the great bitter lake in Egypt, taken by a very good friend who was a spitfire pilot there, Ian Shand, do not have the ability to digitise it sadly it is surprisingly good quality, no sound of course.
Wow. That is facinating! There's got to be somewhere that would digitize that. Thanks for sharing!
Mad capped ideas that *might* have worked in the island hopping campaigns of the Pacific War.
Great video. More on the SARO Please!
Uh oh, it’s a little out of my era! Maybe!
There was a proposal to put floats under a B25, to allow it to fly directly to forward bases than pull ashore, remove the floats so it could operate as a land fighter, they also considered converting a P38 to floats.
I’ve seen the plans!
Hey Bryan, I have been listening to you on the main via Spotify for a few years now, when did you start posting pateron exclusives on the CZcams? Anyways take care and keep up the great work ❤❤❤ also love your work on Italian aircraft
Hi - it's been about 5 months now on Patreon. Any requests for a particular Italian aircraft?
@@worldofwarbirdsI would love to see you cover Fiat’s G.55 Centauro. Take care 👋 (sorry for the late response it’s hard to keep up with CZcams notifications)
One would have thought the sea spit would have made a good antisub spotting plane. The float half full of fuel would have given it long legs.
4:06 Correction: The N1K Kyoufuu was powered by the 14-cylinder Mitsubishi Kasei, the Nakajima Homare was only installed in the N1K-J Shidens (pronounced more like she-den).
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love these evolutionary dead ends , keep up the good work
It's a Dave, it's Rex, it's a...... George, Paul, John and Ringo......
The A6M Zero was not a land plane. It was a carrier based fighter.
It's interesting that the allied nickname for the zero floatplane fighter was "Rufe" as I have never heard that name used before -- or since. Oscar, George, Judy. Kate, Frank, Tony, Mavis -- all of those are fairly common. But Rufe???
Supposedly it was short for Rufus
Bryan’s such a great man thank you for the videos
Too vahallah!
SR.A/1 was a BIG aircraft. I wish the "Sea Dart"s ski would've worked. It was a much sexier seaplane fighter.
Also fond of it's nuclear bomber brother, SeaMaster. P6M.
@@paulwoodman5131 Absolutely!! Bastards cancelled it and now Japan, Russia, and Canada have beautiful large Seaplanes that are being sold as water bombers. How much better water bomber than a darn real bomber can you get? "Winkle" said the SR flew like a dream. He was unused to flying a fighter the size of a medium bomber but he said it handled at least as well as the Northrop P-61.
Japan's US-2.... 🥰
They would have made excellent light bombers, especially if they could be used for light torpedo runs against transports and supply ships, anti-submarine warfare.
Two items meant as constructive criticism:
The EDO company is pronounced - EE' DOE
Folland is pronounced - FOE' LEND
I’ll take it! Thanks!
Kinda funny considering the spit started as a floatplane racer.
It's probably a good thing that the float Spitfire didn't really catch on. Anything sure to get nicknamed the Spitwater just sounds a bit less than intimidating.
The Spittoon might be a winner though!
What?! No SeaDart?!! Heinous sacrilege
Not a Warbird and not my era!
On Lake Chelan in Washington state was Ernie Gibson. He charged you 25.00$ one way. It was a Beaver, I have the photo of it.
Didn't the Germans join the bandwagon with their BF-109 W? Great video, Thank You for sharing. 👍👍
Did they actually build it? I’m not sure.🤔
Dude, you're forgetting the Royal Naval Air Service's Gloster Sea Gladiator Interim. Also, post-war there was the Convair F2Y Sea Dart which was a supersonic skid seaplane fighter. Just saying.
Hi thanks. Did the Sea Gladiator have a float version? Also, I stopped with the end of WW2 as that is my era. The Saunders-Roe SR.A/1 reference was a bit of a tease...
The German Bv138 is still.my favorite armed float plane.
It's on my "to-do" list!
I would call that Spitfire a "Spitwater"!
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Everybody else: "Let's take a high performance fighter and give it floats, it loses performance but it can go on water."
Kawanishi: "Let's design a floatplane first and then take the float off and make it a really high performance fighter."
"What? What?!"
How was the Spitfire with a 1700 hp engine and 2 draggy floats faster than the Japanese Rex with a 2000 hp engine and only 1 float?
A significantly lower drag airframe in essentially every other regard, especially the wing.
The Spitfire was an enhanced model of a racing floatplane :)
What about the Vought King Fisher ?
Hi, it's not a fighter, so it didn't make the cut here. But I have video and audio podcast episodes exclusively on the Kingfisher!
One good floatplane has been overlooked, the Arado 196. (German)
I didn’t include it because it’s not a pure fighter. I left out all the patrol or reconnaissance floats.
@worldofwarbirds Fair enough. Though the best patrol could probably, and perhaps sometimes did outfight the fighters
Wildcat....fish, wild.....catfish.......nope
You didn't mention the Me109W, the twin float German fighter. And the Gotham 243 flying boat.
Now in 2023/24 they plan to put a C-130 on floats
So Britain had an abusive relationship with float fighters???
Porco Rosso...seaplane pilot, extraordinaire?..
I see your SRA1,,,, and I raise you the Convair F2Y Sea Dart ,,,, lol
I wondered if someone would bring that one up....it didn't take long! Thanks for watching.
@@worldofwarbirds I was waiting on the F2Y as well, a supersonic (barely) float fighter.
Could the Sea Dart, and the Saunders Roe actually be the only "flying boat" fighters since they used their fuselage for flotation rather than pontoons?. The Sea Dart didn't even have wing tip floats, it used its fuselage, or" hull" along with its wings to actually keep it from sinking. The retractable skis were for takeoff and landing and provided no flotation.
I don't believe any of these aircraft were amphibians in the sense that they had landing gear that allowed a takeoff on water followed by a runway landing and vice versa in the same flight. Many float planes have retractable landing gear in each float for land operations.
The jets are out of my era...My content is already a little all over the place with bombers, fighters, etc...being realeased willy-nilly so at least I try to keep it to aircraft designed or built during the WW2ish timeframe. When I run out of those, I'll move on!
You missed the P-38 float plane.
I don’t think they actually built it…
I said that because they did., go do some reserch.@@worldofwarbirds
The Curtis Wright Seahawk. S-2C beat them. Eventually, North America and Ryan redesign it Ryan redeveloped the turbo-prop-jet figher . While North American trie tri-wheel design led to the development of T-28.
Not exactly a modern jet fighter and not strictly a float plane, but an interesting shot at it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_F2Y_Sea_Dart
You left off the Sea Dart?
Not my era!
Also, not a floatplane. Technically, it was a flying boat as the fuselage was intended to sit in the water.
If the respective island nations had towed floatplane fighters behind every other ship in those vital convoys we would not be laughing about this.
Towed? Have you ever been on the ocean? Those planes wouldn’t last 30 minutes under tow.
Some Japanese oilers were fitted with catapults for float planes, it didn't stop the USN submarines from sinking them tho.
"Hello warbirders" ? I really don't understand why you didn't use the ocassion and don't call us a "Warbiters" lol.
Nakajima didn't build the "Zero", Mitsubishi was the OEM.
Nakajima built the floatplane Zero (Rufe).
@@paulsteavenThanks.
Your like i-net search ask for one thing & get something else.,Wildcat float not something else.,Maybe ask what happen to it?,Grummen Co. is still in operation.
Hi! Thanks for reaching out, but I'm not quite sure of what you are trying to say. If you would try again, I'll be better able to answer!
it's inaccurate to say that the wildcat was outclassed by enemy fighters of the time.
yes, it was inferior in some properties, but had superior abilities elsewhere. thus, by employing correct tactics for the machine, it did very well. this was even more pronounced when using multi-plane tactics.
with a kill-loss ratio of almost 7-1, even suggesting that it was outclassed is suspect.
I was going by what "Jimmy" Thach wrote, but what did he know?? 😆
@@worldofwarbirds then you must have missed a lot of what he said.
or maybe you missed the part where i said "by employing correct tactics for the machine".
or the part about the huge kill-loss ratio.
but what are we even doing?
your presentation is overall excellent, and i found ONE thing where i said "that's inaccurate". not WRONG, just inaccurate ... and here are some details.
F4f float plane, kinda sexy
As a WWII aircraft aficionado, I'll admit my ignorance. Never even saw a photo of of the F4F-3S floatplane before. Learned something new, can go to bed now.
Japan produced superior float and sea planes
303 "inch" machine guns? Have you confused inches with caliber?
Yes, but what is the diameter of the projectile, in inches?
search string: _.303 British_
(edit: The real reason I started to reply was to say, in context of the 21st century dating term "catfish," that "Wildcatfish" was funny.) #humor
he also said two millimeter cannons lol a wee bit small perhaps but hey yah never know they might still work :P
Pls delere God awful. Slightestly blasphemous. THANKS!
🙄🙈was the swordfish not also a biplane 😎🤔 and very adept at torpedo bombing 🤪⁉️🤣🤣
The Swordfish was a biplane, but not a floatplane fighter- which was the subject of the episode.
FIGHTERS....the video is about fighter floatplanes
You didn't mention anything about catapult launched sea planes and the Japanese sea planes hidden in a submarine... and the way you say Borrow is kinda silly... C- Minus... missing even a mention of the content you grossly overlooked. Try again. ❤
This was a very specific video on ONLY float fighters. Not sub based bombers or catapult launched machines. And how do I say “borrow” that makes it silly? 😆