Julie Lynn Holmes (USA) 1971 World Figure Skating Championships FS
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- Despite only finishing 5th in the freeskate behind Lynn, Magnussen, Morgenstern and Almassy, Julie held on to her second place after figures to win the silver - her second and last world medal - behind Trixi Schuba of Austria. The commentator is Eva Pawlik of Austria - the 1948 European champion and Olympic silver medallist.
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The only reason Janet Lynn won Olympic bronze is that Julie Lynn Holmes had a disastrous free skate. Had she staked this program she would have won silver in Sapporo and Janet would have been fourth.
I have wanted to see this program for many years floskate! Thank you!
That said, I must confess that I am disturbed at the extent Carlo went to turn Julie Lynn into a carbon copy of Peggy. From the color of her dress (1968 Olympics), to the headband that Fleming often wore many things were identical. Also, her jump combinations like the 1.5 toe - 2 toe combination, the spin combination with the side lean were clearly influenced by Peggy as well.
Let's review: dress, choreography, jumps, and spins = Fleming. It's too bad that a skater as talented as Holmes was never allowed to truly blossom as her own skater.
After switching coaches, Carlo Fassi literally did the same thing to Tina Holmes in her bid to win the US title in 1969 (which she lost to Janet Lynn and Julie Lynn Holmes).
Big Julie Lynn fan here, and I agree with you. Can only imagine what she might have accomplished had she been allowed to grow into her own likeness.
@@nickpilgrim7706 Perhaps Tina Noyes>
Thank you so much for sharing. She must have had a huge lead in the school figures. 5.7 was generous considering those shaky landings.
She was only 5th in the free but back then it wasn't just placements that mattered. Trixi Schuba also scored in the 5.5 to 5.7 range which, given the huge disparity in freestyle quality between her and say Janet or Karen Magnussen, seems to be very high.
That's why the crowd was chanting, "Lynn! Lynn!" when Schuba wo@@floskate
I was just about to share an honest opinion thank you she wasnt very strong!
Nice layback. That's the only time I've ever seen a double inside axel done in amateur competition (3:28). I saw Josef Sabovcik do one in a show once.
She did a cleaner one at 1969 worlds I think. It was on CZcams
It was so wonky I didn't know what the hell it was.
Thank you for posting @floskate. Interesting piece of history. She was an elegant skater in that she had good speed, flow and posture when she was not jumping or spinning. The old style of jumping is interesting. It's sort of with a bent leg in front rather than a straight leg crossed over. I wonder when this style became extinct? ie who was the last major skater to use it? ie had it disappeared by the late 1970s? And who was the first major female skater to use the straight leg technique that we know today.
@martipellow9908 if you watch Dianne de Leeuw in 1976, she did her double axels in this sort of position where the leg is bent and sort of parallel to the straight leg, much like a pirouette position in jazz dance. I can't think of anyone else after this who did that, but air position continued to be a bit funky up until the mid 80's for some. Earlier, I think Hana Maskova had a beautiful and very tight air position, particularly on her double axel.
@@floskate Thanks Floskate. Interesting to see the style evolving. I’m sure there are a few others in the 1970s and 1980s who were funky. Have just done a deep dive on Susanna Adriano. She doesn’t jump like this, in that she crosses over, but she does have a bent leg I think on the back leg. The only really unusual one I can think of in the 1980s who departed from the norm was Kristofics Binder with her leg wrap and of course Midori but the wrap was still more aesthetically pleasing than the technique Julie L H and Dianne D were using.
Make that Driano
1:48 nice and unique 1A immediately in sit spin.
Fassi must have been part witch with school figures. So many skaters came to him for a tune up.
How buried was Lynn after figures? Curious.
@lilibatz Janet was 5th in figures.
2:57
Beautiful
Weak spins and a couple of mess jump landings, but overall good energy, speed and personality on the ice.
I have absolutely no memory of this skater. Looks like she was wearing Peggy's dress.
exactly
Believe me I was there for all of that. I just don't remember Julie.
@bevinboulder5039 she was coached by Fassi and was his next top student after Peggy. It was noted at the time how alike in style her skating was to Fleming's.
@@floskatei am sorry she was and is NOTHING like peggy fleming besides the fact she took from fassi and wore the same color of dress!!!
@@grantnoroyan4083did I say she was? I'm just referencing contemporary sources which did mention this.
Marks were too too high for what she did compared to Janet Lynn and Karen Magnussen, this was better than her 1970 free skate, but it just lacked polish/finish and extension/line and I think Carlo was trying to get her to be like Peggy, same music at the start, the scarf in her hair too, but the marks were too high, 1 2Ax shaky, and a couple other shaky landings, was there even a 2 lutz? This should have been about 5.3.
Don't forget the chartreuse skating dress.
After her solid figures, she wasn't going to get 5.3!!
She was being rewarded for her solid figures!
Not surprised no one remembers her today very lackluster & uninspiring.
To be fair, other than club rats, skating wasn't shown much on TeeVee. And her strong point was figures.
@@lilbatz Julie Lynn won the silver Janet Lynn didn’t medal regardless of television coverage back then it’s Janet who is remember as the greatest free skater who changed the face of women’s figure skating Julie Lynn Holmes just a footnote.
I certainly remember her even though I was a Janet Lynn fan. Your remarks are phrased so unkindly.
@@bassethound1 I so agree! There is no reason for @notnek202 to be rude and unkind. Julie Lynn was a figures technician. Figures are still the foundation of figure skating, and many free skating moves are based on some type of figure.
She didn’t even medal at the 72 Olympics was 2nd after figures & finished 8th in the free skate after falling twice. She finished 4th overall. She turned pro after the Olympics & didn’t attend the 72 world championships.