Can Labour Reduce The Damage Of Brexit?
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- Jonathan Reynolds the Business Secretary told Trevor Philips of Sky News that his government wants to rebuild the relationship Britain has with the EU and implement changes to help trade. But this does not include rejoing the EU, Single Market or Customs Union.
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Labour are being cautious. They realise they need to walk before they run. They’re hardly going to bang on about rejoining the EU on their first day in power. Their attempt to ignite closer trade relations is a start.
It’s a long journey, but at least the discussions will be based on pragmatism not Tory dogma…
Labour have 1/5 of the vote and half the voters voted Labour to get rid of the Tories! So possibly 1/10 of voters actually believe in them! Good luck finding enthusiastic people about this Labour Government outside your echo chamber!
Completely agree.It’s all going to take time.The trouble is idiots like Laura Kuenssberg and her stupid questions! She just won’t acknowledge that HER PARTY did this to themselves,took the electorate and the nation for granted.Thought they could do what they wanted,and got what they deserved.😉
@@greyvoice7949 34% of the vote isn’t 1/5. Put your tinfoil hat on and go back to your GB News echo chamber of lies
They are and this is going to be a long game. This is a step in the right direction and eventually if we want to grow the economy something more concrete will need to be done about the drag anchor. Whenever it happens the tory press will cry brexit betrayal but closer relationships or rejoining is what a growing majority of people want. We had the chance of a Norwegian style deal but the tories preferred isolationism and that is something that needs turning around.
We want We want We want......Nothing has changed, the same English exceptionalism.
They still haven't learned their lesson.
They will only learn it once they experience hunger and social unrest. Give it another 10 to 20 years...
@@Oil2024 Yep, if they don't learn it they'll have to feel it.
Always has been the case. The UK never was a genuine cooperative member of the EU.
@@louis-philippearnhem6959 Yep, they just used it as a replacement market for the lost empire.
I remember there were some things the EU offered the UK after Brexit but the Tories turned them down for ideological reasons, one of which was an agreement about the ability of UK artists and musicians to tour in Europe without so much cost and barriers. Britain used to be big and successful on cultural exports.
The EU haggle, they do not reciprocate . You want easier access for X, than we went easier access for Y.
@@JohnRussell-y3mthat’s the definition of reciprocation. Or haggling. What’s your point?
@@patrikfloding7985 No reciprocation is saying both side will do the same thing.
@@patrikfloding7985 yep it's the very definition of haggling as you say lol some people are never please or even understand their own argument! lol
@@JohnRussell-y3m That is reciprocation. Quid pro quo. Something for something but I see no problem in making it easier for EU bands, artists, drama companies, orchestras and other musical acts to tour in the UK if it's easier for UK similar groups to tour in the EU. The UK can certainly hold its own when it comes to creative endeavours and these are not state exports but individuals or groups wanting to progress their careers.
I hope the EU does not even answer the calls and letters from the UK because in some years it is tory time again and time is money.
This “respect the referendum” line is so tired when there were ZERO details of what “leaving the EU” actually meant - and even all the “Leavers” gave a thousand definitions of it !
It's directed at the 37% of the electorate who are short of brain cells.
Switzerland had a referendum on updating some tax laws for married vs cohabiting couples that their supreme court invalidated due to incorrect info being made available to the public.
good point.
i.e. good point by @cheebasonic I mean.
It meant what ever the Goverment of the day decided it was..
The Tories were the Goverment, not Farage and UKIP..
no cherry picking lads. you arent rule makers anymore. unfortunately it will take generations.
I have no respect for the referendum - there was nothing to admire.
This is a very slow process, whoever puts the UK back in (if ever) will have to wait until it's 100% politically palatable, and it isn't right now.
Contact your local MP and ask them to ask to rejoin the EU,
@@grateberk6435 Rejoining ain't going to happen. The UK can try to join, but that will take at least 15-20 years!
But it isn't only a political decision. THe UK cannot just join because it is politically palatable. The UK needs to fulfill non-negotiable requirements in the Maastricth Treaty and Copenhagen Criteria. These are not options. No amount of political will can change that.
It may be possible to convince EU members not to veto the UK's application, but before they can even apply it must meet the requirements. It currently does not.
Funny the only 2 items he mentions selling more to the EU are Scottish goods - has England nothing to sell
@joannerobinson7717
Now that england has choosen the easy way of the "not for EU" stickers to mix imported hormon treated beef and anything else they like into their market, there is not much interest in english goods anymore.
We have pint bottles of Tories tears.
Interesting that, innit?
@@stephenmayers4033 France manufactured their own today
Jesus, it's nice to have a politician that sounds like they're trying to answer the question and not being evasive and shifty as hell. 14 years of Tories makes you lose all hope, but I feel a sliver of it returning..
Until some things change in Britain most of the EU won't let you back in, it only takes one country to say no. Until you can prove that the Conservatives won't pull you out again nobody will be interested. Also a lot of the country's around the world except EU rules if they want to trade with them.
The EU has already announced that nothing will change with the new government. and as far as the horizon project is concerned, an exception was made for the uk so that they could finish the studies they were working on and this exception ends at the end of 2024 so the uk did not rejoin horizon they were only allowed to finish what they were working on The fact that the English turn this into rejoining is their problem
There is third country associated Horizon membership and this is all that Britain can now get beyond finishing projects as you say @aukebij3193
@@MrsGardiner yes and Sunak did not want to participate in that because the UK had/has no say in what kind of research takes place and so they can now complete the research on the projects they are working on unless Starmer wants this of course then there is the possibility for third countries to register and this is possible until the end of 2024.
Whisky and Salmon eh…so we know what part of the “uk” they come from, so what’s stopping Scotland making our own trade deals with the EU?! Indyref2 NOW! 🏴
Snp was be whippout.😅
@@andreaspfitzner852 in wastemonster mibbe but now they have a bigger issue than the snp ever was, they have been ignored time after time but they won’t ignore the fact they have just elected a new far right actual nazi synpathising party…get the rest of the snp up the road to focus on what matters 🏴
@@andreaspfitzner852 snp was ignored in wastemonster anyway and now the tories are gone get the rest o them up the road cos lil england just elected a far worse problem than snp ever have been…they won’t ignore farage and his mob 🏴
@@andreaspfitzner852indeed, for not progressing the reason the party was created for. INDEPENDENCE
Good to see the Adults are back in the room
I’m glad that you are keeping up a Rejoin message, Max. There is already huge lobbying taking place from British business to rejoin the Single Market and channels such as this are keeping up the pressure.
Can't rejoin the single market independently of joining the EU is a full member.
It’s impossible to rejoin until both Labour and Conservative parties want to rejoin though unfortunately. EU won’t start negotiations until it’s politically settled. It seems to me the harder of the two to persuade will be the Conservative party.
The UK CANNOT “…rejoin…” the EU.
The UK can only try hard to meet the Copenhagen Criteria, then submit its FOURTH membership application in line with Article 49.
And there is precisely ZERO possibility of the UK joining the Single Market OR the Customs Union.
There is NO legal mechanism whereby the UK, or ANY Third Country, can join the Single Market.
There is less than zero interest among the 31 members of the European Economic Area(EEA) in creating any such mechanism.
When will you inform the EU27 that they need to change their 'constitution' and rules for SM membership, so a random 3rd country like the UK can 'decide to join' when they please?
Just curious.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
PS don't forget to tell our 27 national parliaments to unanimously approve of said changes.
@@EllieD.Violet 😂 good one Ellie 👍
The three largest food and drink exports, Whisky, Salmon and Shortbread. Interesting that he mentions two of them.
And where do they all come from?
He never mentioned jellied eels! England can absolutely own the worldwide jellied eel market.
What they are saying to the "Brexit is scared" media in Britain and what they are saying in private to EU negotiators may be two different things.
They may be trying to not give Reform and the Gammons a target to rant about.
@casbot71
To be seen lying to your own public to make offers in a negotiation is not the best start to be seen as a trustworthy partner.
Brexit is Brexit, no way back. EU don't want to deal with UK.
Nice to have a minister who is actually intelligent and knew what he was talking about.
He only speaks for himself - certainly not for us EU27.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
@@EllieD.Violethi Ellie.👋👋 Nice to see you. Hope all is well with you and your family.
Best wishes from Ireland🇮🇪
EU rule taker, no longer an EU rule maker.
Yup, if you want to trade with EU you have to follow their rules
@@abbofun9022 which is true with any trade with any country.
Stupid people threw away our position. We had it all under control and idiots and criminals threw it away. Now we wil have to accept rules with no say in their creation. Blame the idiots of the past.
The EU isn’t going to give the UK anything of trade value because the UK isn’t paying them any money. And Brexit UK won’t agree to be bound by the ECJ as the UK doesn’t have a judge on it, and it’s a court which bans its judges from writing dissents.
@@aleph8888 oh dear - someone has not noticed that we have changed. The EU will be happy for our semi membership and we may well pay as does Norway. On the ECJ the new government are fully committed to it - the old nasties have gone now and ECJ and ECHR are an effectively British institution
There are things that can be done, yes.
HOWEVER, the EU is NOT going to do ANYTHING about certain things.
The EU is NOT going to renegotiate the Trade and Cooperation Agreement(TCA).
NEITHER the EU, NOR the European Free Trade Association(EFTA), is REMOTELY interested in allowing the UK into either the Single Market or the Customs Union.
Certain technical adjustments are possible, but ONLY if the EU views them as beneficial for its citizens, member states and own institutions.
Defence is going be a priority
There won’t be a new Brexit deal!
Why are the Brits still deluding themselves with that idiotic idea?
Not a new Brexit deal but a new and better Trade deal - lets see
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722
No, there won’t be another trade deal!
Only a review of the already existing TCA.
You‘ll see!
@@geraldwagner8739 Ok, lets put it that way. Take out all ideology - and fanatics - just talk what is a win win for both side and build up trade again with the EU. There will not be a full membership for at least 2 generations. But with Labour it can be at least started rational negotiations which is good for GB. The UKIP / Tory agenda was burning all bridges.
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722
There‘ll be a better less hostile relationship, that’s for sure, but not another trade deal. The UK will still be a THIRD COUNTRY with all the many disadvantages that come with this status.
And that’s exactly what so many English people still don’t understand.
@@geraldwagner8739 Besides, chances are that in 5 years the Tories are back, or in 10 and then its hard hostility again? International treaties are binding irrespective of who is in government. There have also been changes in EU member countries governments too, but none of these new governments demanded changes to the TCA!
We remain a third country. It’s not like they don’t want to buy British , it’s that we made it more difficult and expensive to do so.
The expense is the cost of producing the red tape needing to pass goods through the standards barrier of the single market.
I have no idea why people go on about a customs union.,
EFTA aren’t in the EU customs union.
They are in the single market which belongs to the EEA, not just the EU..
SPS checks are legally required to be based on a scientific basis; they have nothing to do with “third country status” which is just internet rubbish. Read Chapter 3 of the TCA. The EU needs to drop the unlawful punitive and political SPS checks on UK exports.
Point?
@@patrikfloding7985. Brexit is the reason we are selling less.
"They are in the single market which belongs to the EEA"
The Single Market BELONGS TO THE EU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This gives a good feel for where U.K. is and will remain for 20 years
Gradually bring regulations back into line. This will mean things will be cheaper for consumers. No need for repackaging or re labellimg.
More regulation = lower prices?? 🤣🤣
Lefty thinking there....
Just bringing regulations into alignment won't mean no red tape, it doesn't just work like that. The Brexit lie that was sold was that it was to reduce red tape. Unless you are a member of the Single Market and Customs Union there will always be red tape, that was the whole benefit of being part of the EU that Brexiteers just don't understand. They prefer being poorer but have sovereignty (whatever that actually means).
@@mattpotter8725
Sovereignty means the UK isn't subject to some foreign court that for whatever reason still has jurisdiction in its matters...
@@mattpotter8725 what I mean is that having seperate rules for example for what you can put on packaging, means a company has to relabel or repackage. This drives up costs which are passed on to consumers.
@@Agtsmirnoff EU laws are passed by all the members, of which the UK was one. A very powerful one, as it happens, with veto power. It was also possible for us to simply decide to ignore any EU law we found inconvenient.
By leaving the EU, we no longer have a say in those laws, but we must comply with them if we want to trade with the huge block of countries literally right next to us. Which of course we do, because it's entirely impractical to trade with other countries instead, no matter how many Tim Tams Australia can sell here.
Brexit took away our ability to decide laws which directly affect us.
"Sovereignty" indeed...
Cherry-picking cakeism remains
No cherry picking
Mutual agreements aren’t “cherry picking”.
@@patrikfloding7985. The EU will not offer benefits which belong to the EEA nor the EU..
@@patrikfloding7985400 m population versus 65 give or take, where does the power lie do you think 😂
What? we are short of cherry pickers too!! We should never have left!!
@@creative-renaissance For a nation of cherry pickers it's funny you don't like picking them lol.
Still NO reference regarding that the referendum was ADVISORY, NOT statuary.
So? Parliament took the advice and acted on it.
@@Northstander It would . But it has to be on their terms, The easier trade of the EEA belongs to the EEA.,
And no single country has ever been allowed to join..
Macron suggested it , and was told to stop talking rubbish by the other EU members..
I was a remainer and want to rejoin but we can't relitigate the referendum, however much I agree with your point, we have to deal with where we are now and try and get back to where we want to be. So I think Starmer will have to take small steps for the time being, he didn't really have much choice. You might not like it, I don't particularly like it but it's where we are right now.
@@NorthstanderI agree with you in sentiment, however easier trade with the EU, meaning less red tape just isn't possible without being in either the Single Market (which isn't possible whilst many don't want freedom of movement) or the Customs Union.
One thing I will disagree with you on though is that the majority of the British electorate didn't vote to leave, 37% did, something in the days, maybe years after the result I wasn't aware of. Yes it was more than the 33% that voted remain, but the reason Vote Leave won the referendum was that they persuaded/targeted (illegally - Cambridge Analytica scandal) many people who would have voted remain to not vote at all. So this whole will of these people stuff that it's still trotted out verbatim just isn't true (and since the referendum many older people more likely to have voted to leave have passed and younger people who are now disadvantaged have turned 18).
All this said we are where we are and I think Starmer is right to take baby steps and try to make things as good as they can be whilst still being a 3rd country. Then he'll say we can't have what would really benefit our economy without accepting things a larger number of people didn't want in 2016 so you'll have to decide. We can't just go on, especially as years and years pass, advertising the result of a poll taken nearly a decade ago as being the will of the people (especially when it wasn't).
The other point many people, myself included, don't seem to realise is that Starmer didn't campaign to do any more than is mentioned in this clip so he can't just turn around now and go aha, fooled you, were rejoining tomorrow. They just wouldn't wash.
@@JohnRussell-y3m
Parliament did not act in our countrys best interests which is their job .
If the polls suggest most opinions have changed and most people want to rejoin the EU, why not have another vote? 🤔
The UK could unilaterally leave, but it can't unilaterally rejoin.
Even if the UK voted 100% to rejoin, the EU does not have to accept it, and if it did it would not be under the same conditions it enjoyed before leaving.
That said, I think Britain is economically fukked until it can trade with the EU on the same footing it previously enjoyed, but businesses that left the UK after Brexit will not come back in a hurry.
A re-entry is unavoidable and we all know this. There is no future without the largest market in the world! The days of self-harm are gone! Let the adults take over the administration!
Couldn’t have said it better!
@Adama
“A re entry is inevitable”?
Really?
The massive British sense of entitlement hasn’t gone away, apparently!
Back in REALITY, ANY FOURTH application by the UK will require UNANIMOUS approval by the member states.
At the moment, that’s 27.
In 30-50 years, there might be as many as 35.
It only takes ONE to veto….
From OUR 🇪🇺 perspective, it's VERY avoidable. For a minimum of half a century, for a starter.
That's why you'd be vetoed if you tried.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
@@EllieD.Violet This would be true if the EU did not suffer a loss from Brexit as well! A loss that the EU can sorely afford!
@@adama8570
The EU is doing fine and countries have benefited from the UK gone in different sectors, eg Croatia re shell fish. Ireland, Germany, France, Netherlands re financial services, Netherlands, France Ireland re agriculture.
The EU countries paid a lot to set up checks with Britain and for counties to diversify away from Britain
The UK can get a better arrangement but only in areas that suits the EU
I still hear the same things: we want, we need, we, we, we. Nothing learned, same attitude 😢
Until media reform comes in and the media have to provide a balanced view when reporting news, labour wont risk a distraction with this when they want people to see that their lives are improving.
Talks with the EU can be done on the quiet as a background effect to improving lives. (Like food on shelfs)
@@keithparker1346 make sure the media report an unbaised report and tell both sides. Take brexit for example, if the media had reported the pros and cons of leaving and remaining, the vote would not have been so close. It would have been more definative. And if they not unbaised, then OfCom (once its been given its teeth and spine back) would hammer heavy fines against the broadcaster.
Well thats how i see it, im not the person whose got to sit down and sort this out, so i dont have any other answers
We have no bargaining power as a small nation, so we'll always get a worse deal than the 3 big powers in the world. And at the same time we'll have lower revenue from trade, which means less tax income. And that will mean we have less to invest in our future and competition will outpace us.
The sooner we'll rejoin the better.
Hear hear
Short answer. no. Long Answer. They will try but no.
In the end EU rules will not change and buyers will have found new suppliers and traded with them for YEARS before UK can rejoin the EU in some capacity.
Well, that was fast! Only 8 years since the brexit referendum and ONLY 4 years outside the EU, and it was already too much? The biggest problem for rejoining is exactly that. It would be waaaay too soon. Plus of course no cherry picking. And also not joining the Eurozone could be a problem. EU wouldn't want to do anything with pounds anymore. Only the euros.
There has to be some form of alignment with the EU. Rejoining the EU is not on the table and would be, unfortunately, incredibly divisive. Freer trade movement would be beneficial for everyone concerned. How this could be implemented? Don't really know but having people with a semblance of intelligence is a step forward. The old saying of 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' ain't the way forward.
Makes no difference. You are expected to export to the target markets standards anyway.
Unfortunately the scope for any third country is very limited. And there is zero appetite in the EU for Britain wanting the benefits of closer economic relationships, without any political commitment. British entitlement aka cherry picking is not possible, third country status it is. Starmer can at best tinker at the edges, but with very little benefit to Britain. Starmer would do better to help the British economy without looking for handouts from the EU.
Labour is being cautious. They know the English still cannot fathom losing the pound, accepting Schengen, and (their unfounded) belief that they’ll lose sovereignty.
Starmer already has mentioned a 10-year renewal. Translation: Re-educating the Brits to understand the EU so the country can join again.
A deal is a deal, no backsies, the EU has all the leverage and it will have to be the UK to make concessions this IS the biggest denial UK politicians never acknowledge
We instigated A50. That’s a request to leave everything. Keeping the bits we liked was never on the table.,
@@JohnRussell-y3m Not actually true. Norway Plus was one of the options. The only thing n o t on the table was a bespoke arrangement. Norway, Norway plus Customs union, Customs union only, WTO, these were all options on the table at the time. Each one would have meant that Britain had to follow the specific rules for the option chosen, for example if Britain had wanted to be in the EU Customs Union, Britain could not have made separate trade deals, as this is one of the rules of Customs Union membership. The four freedoms, including freedom of movement is a Single Market membership rule. Britain wanted to make its own trade deals and rejected freedom of movement. This was why Britain ended up with neither during the negotiations, not because of issuing Article 50.
Hopefully the reticence on the part of the new UK government is more down to not knowing what sorts of things the EU might be willing to talk about than anything else. While what the Taoiseach said is likely welcomed by the them, I can understand them not wanting to talk too openly about what they want to do before they enter into talks with the EU.
And yes - I am trying to remain optimistic. I don't think that the UK can look at joining EFTA, let alone the EU, for many years - and yes, I am aware that the present three EEA EFTA states might not look favourably on the UK asking to become a new EEA EFTA state. Joining the EU may well be a good long-term goal for the UK, but it's not something that can be rushed. Apart from anything else, the UK would need to get itself back to being eligible for membership! Bringing the UK and EU closer together in some areas might help with this, but it's only the first small step towards what I expect will be a very long process.
“I don't think that the UK can look at joining EFTA, let alone the EU, for many years“
The more that people like you continue to post statements like this across social media, the papers and on TV the more that they will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If the Brexiteers had followed your path after the Maastricht Treaty the Brexit movement would have died in the 1990s and never come back again.
Some of us are actually trying to build a Rejoin movement to rejoin as quickly as possible, and I would suggest you stop talking down our chances.
The UK has ZERO chance of joining EFTA.
Both Norway and Iceland have made it crystal clear that they would veto any UK membership application.
The UK doesn’t, currently, meet even HALF of the Copenhagen Criteria, which are the MINIMUM requirements for applying for EU membership.
@@gloin10where have Norway and Iceland mentioned they will veto a hypothetical UK EFTA application?
@@gloin10Different government now.
@@rayc9539
Try doing a LITTLE research...
The damage has been done…
The relationship with Europe has been broken beyond repair…
Reproachment is the only option…
It’s entirely impossible for Labour to rejoin the EU unfortunately. Before the EU would even start negotiations on a country joining it would need to be politically settled in that country. For the UK that means both of the largest parties would need to say they want to rejoin and until the Conservative party agrees it should happen then it can’t. Labour would probably like to rejoin but until the Conservatives come round on that it’s not going to change. Currently it would be pointless for Labour suggesting they should rejoin when it isn’t possible - it would just disappoint people.
And with the current popular vote figures, even Reform would need to agree, not just the Tories. I can't see that happen either.
@@MrsGardiner I doubt it - Reform have no credible chance of power in our current system so are irellevent. The vote share isn't so important but the number of seats and with the thinly spread nature of their vote they only got 5 seats.
I am very pro immigration. That said, net 300k skilled migrants is much better than what we have now
Instead they let in more unskilled Asians.
Why bring in skills from Asia when European labour 30 miles across from the channel. ?.
Imagine a house... 2 parents, 1 kid, 1 lavatory...
Imagine a house... 4 parents, 2 kids, 1 lavatory...
Imagine a house... 10 parents, 5 kids, 1 lavatory...
Now imagine, no look at the UK... with a population which greatly exceeds the capacity of its sewage system, so that sewage is constantly overflowing into rivers...
Immigration is fine... provided even more people are leaving as they arrive...
@@dantownsend4246 Don't care about the country they come from, just cultural values, fiscal benefit and economic benefit, in that order.
@@andrewwalsh2755 And you are wrong in your imaginings. Your logic here is faulty! Imagine this instead. Use all the tax taken from workers who were not born in Britain to provide these services. There is a statistic that EU workers used to pay on average £2300 pounds more tax annually than the average Briton, because they were all working. But the country did not spend that tax on the extra infrastructure necessary and blamed the EU workers instead!
The 'there is just too many of them for our infrastructure' blames those who actually kept the country going by filling job vacancies and who paid more into the national coffers. And it does not blame the government who did not organise the necessary infrastructure. You blame the wrong people and you let a bad government off, just like the Tory press told you to do.
All the Tories did was talk and do nothing or fail to create any worthwhile policies. Thank god they are gone for at least the time being
Answer: no, because Starmer does not want to return to SM and CU
Maximilien Robespierre The Voice of Brexit Reason! ❤
No. The voice of deluded rejoinerati.
Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺
You do realise, after all this time, that Max is an Irishman living in Italy. He has no vested interest in Brexit or the UK rejoining the EU. He is just keeping us all informed as to the current situation in UK and its relationship with the EU .
@@sockjuice8795 Methinks the fangirl Mandy is his wife. So I guess she should know.
All well with you and Cjm?
@@EllieD.Violet doing fine here thanks Ellie. No point in complaining as I always say to Cj. No one listens 😂
The Self entitled numbskulls are out in force with their usual rubbish. Think they can just waltz back in to the EU and cherry pick.
Hope you are well?❤️🩹
@@keithparker1346 who are you talking about. If you are referring to Max, i have slready told another commenter, that he has no vested interest un either the Tories or Labour. He is simply reporting to us the political situation in UK. Why should he, as you say, 'Suck up to Labour' ? He lives in Italy dear,
and has no interest in sucking up to anyone. (Edited)
Whisky and salmon.... am sayin' nuffin 🏴
Sick of these theives stealing our resources, expeorts, taxes and democracy...why do the "unionists" like being exploited? whats in it for them?
That all I needed to hear too! 🤣 Indyref2 coming soon 👀🏴
😂😂 It's a start!
Whisky, salmon and shortbread mate. Never mind oil n gas ehhhhhh
@@leannan070 😂
No rejoining of the EU means I will never fully care ever again. I am making small steps to leave the UK for good but it's going to take a few years. This is despite being pleased the Tories are gone.
Softly softly, gently gently, we cant scare the gammon. We will get there guys...
But you love spending the “gammons” money.
@@aleph8888 i dont get anything from any gammon pal, i make my own money tyvm
"We will get there guys..."
Sure, in the year 3535, if man is still alive!
@@marinusvos i hope not, great song btw 😁
Re the headline,
It would be very difficult to make it any worse.
All we can do is put pressure on labour to rejoin the EU 😎👍
We just pressured them into a massive majority...
And votes at stake is the only pressure they care about. Look at Starmer's Born Again Brexitism. Labour's entire campaign was "Don't scare the soft Tories", because they needed the votes. Votes they know they already have?
Well, let's put it this way. I recently had a Labour canvaser at my door. The moment I talked of needing the Tories out and going with a tactical vote, he switched off even pretending to listen to my concerns. He even said "Obviously it's not people like yourself I need to appeal to".
Firstly, they must make clear to the Brexiters that Europeans are their
neighbours, not some aliens who are out to destroy the UK. People
like Farage and Johnson completely painted an image of the EU,
which has nothing to do with reality. Since Brexit, they have tried
to blame the shortcomings on the EU and caused some really bad
blood.
Won't happen when there's more urgent things like the NHS.
UK simply do not meet the basic criteria for an application for joining
We in the EU don’t want you back. Align if you prefer to so but stay outside
What he is advocating is to improve trade and, when the time is right, agree on a customs union and then move forward towards closer agreements.
You don't get to cherry pick what you want. We won't accept that anymore. The European Union is better off without the brits dragging us down. You'll need to accept our conditions, we simply don't trust the uk anymore.
i honestly doubt if it is a good idea to believe them even if they say they accept our conditions.
maybe im paranoid but there seems to be something fishy about english promises.
@Ooze-cl5tx De Gaulle was right...
So, they want to go to Brussels and re-negotiate this or that. They forgot the EU stance of "no cherry picking". And anyway, the EU will say "if you want this, we want that in return ..."
Only good thing we can do now is rejoin.
The truth is we are not fit to rejoin the EU yet. The first thing is Brexit and rejoining needs to be a settled issue the tory part need to accept that being part of the EU is good for the UK
True, but we in the EU have accession demands. A 60% debt to GDP guideline and 3% budget deficit for 5 years. That would mean crazy austerity for a Labour government and they need to get re-elected too. Any debt rise would be fatal for re-entry in the EU. We aren't a charity. That would definitely mean private healthcare, no more NHS.
@@pygmalion1963 It's not good if it requires mass migration of the 3rd world into Britain
We don’t want you back in the club. Align with our rules if you prefer to do so but please stay where you are.
@@pygmalion1963 And crucially so must the Reform party. While Farage is still around and feted, nobody in the EU will go near a British rejoin application. It only took Farage and Johnson a year to 'convince' Britons to vote Leave. And that can never happen again after a rejoin. If Britain does away with the demagogue Farage rather than giving him even more power and making him an MP! then maybe, but it would also need a sea change in the British press. And while Johnson has only been ditched for party gate, and not for his Brexit lies and negotiations, faith in British EU credentials will not be restored. There is a long way to go in Britain, before the political will to rejoin is settled, I fear. Now that we have 5 Reform MPs, the pendulum is seen to be swinging the opposite way!
Isn't it refreshing, hearing a cabinet minister with a regional accent.
Answer from the EU is NO
To get are country back on it's feet, all the Labour Party has to do is rejoin the Single Market and the Customs Union.
if you want EU people to come to work in the UK you can simply offer them the same conditions they had before brexit - voila , worker shortage problem solved.
Of course no free movement for brits in the EU, that would be undemocratic, because the brits have voted to give up those rights.
Companies only want imported workers because either:
they're very highly skilled... or
they're highly skilled and cheap... or
they're skilled and cheap... or
they're cheap...
Just like, decades ago, outsourcing manufacture to China was cheaper...
... will we Ever learn?
Probably not.
Monkey see banana... monkey want banana... monkey eat banana... monkey trapped in cage, baited with banana by monkey hunters... Doh!... Eek!
Max, we are never going to get a deal like we had before. These steps are very much in the interests of the UK, and the EU. They are also necessary steps if the ultimate destination is rejoining, which eventually the vast majority will be in favour of. This makes them very sensible steps in every sense. What Labour cannot say right now, is that they are going to rejoin. And I do not believe they will take that on as a policy anytime soon. Even one the referendum split, practically half of Labour will be remain voters, but (like this remain voter) despite wishing we had left, we do not wish to rush into a rejoining programme that is not in our interests.
It feels like cherry picking again
As before vote again if they want rejoin no harm in that..
I'm afraid that the EU don't want or need the UK at the moment. They have enough problems dealing with some of their existing members.
@@robertbradford4404 I rather think they want a Labour government to be successful so they can use it as an argument against AfD and FN.
@@Turnipstalk
They don't really care what the UK does, it's not a member state anymore.
There always some better deal with the eu which is beneficial to both
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The EU benefits re the UK gone in different sectors or individual countries do and they all need to vote for the UK joining. Why would they?
The British Government has proven untrustworthy and any future Tory Government could do the whole Brexit stuff again.
It's not worth the hassle.
And Freedom of movement is still a big issue in England.
Plus the UK doesn't meet the Copenhagen criteria.
That is something only they can say.
UKLabour trying to have it both ways. There is only one solution and that is full membership.
The UK might need those immigrants as workers but a lot of the same workers are also needed in other EU countries so there is no big incentive for the EU to allow that kind of migration to the UK.
Let's not forget - it was the lies of Brexit, and the 'pretence' of Brexit Success that was key to bringing down the Tories. Starmer would be well advised to avoid walking on Brexit routes like the plague.
Never promise what can’t be delivered. Cameron promised to reform FOM, and look where that got us,,
@@JohnRussell-y3m
He didn't want to "reform" FOM, he wanted another "opt out" = FOM for Brits only, but NOT for Continental EUropeans anymore...
If creatives and professionals have free movement. The rest of us want it too
Sure. Stop any easing for reasons of jealousy. Makes much sense.
@@patrikfloding7985 The assertion was based on equality, not jealousy.
thieves, burglars, scammers, fraudsters... estate agents...
Kier Starmer will tackle our overcrowded prisons... by sentencing these people (if caught at all) to non custodial sentences...
... what could possibly go wrong!!!?
@@wrestle2uk Are you equal? Doubt it. I, for example, certainly am not in the creative sector. So I don't depend on access as much as they do. So not equal.
For sure we in the Sweet Mighty EU can facilitate trade, a good way of doing that would be to let Scotland enjoy the Sweets of the EU, out of their free will to participate under our common rules.
You know, just like what a Sovreign country can decide to do, unlike little englanders that have no clue about what the word actually means.
I’d like to see the results of the referendum if we did another now, bet the results would be very interesting!
Negotiations have no future outside of a full membership of the EU. Make up your mind Brits or stay out. Nobody wants endless discussions like the last time.
Ideology & fear should not get in the way of making things better, instead of ruling out freedom of movement they should be TELLING the PEOPLE how it would BENEFIT all of us & make things better, but no they are taking the cowards way out.
Seems more positive than the rhetoric from the tories. Having said that, he ran away from any suggestion of freedom of movement of people as soon as it was mentioned.
This has a the political hot potato around this whole issue. The biggest reason why people voted for Brexit was the FOM one.
Sadly Labour find themselves stuck having to pander to people for whom this is a problem.
Max, I was stunned by how little the labour votes were (34% of a 60% turnout) converts into 20% of the electorate supporting labour. Labour is not all out for the EU so this converts into even less percentages supporting to join the EU (10% of the elctorate?).
So I guess the present idea is to "improve things" (joining some EU programs) BUT please DO NOT use "renegociate". Renegociate what? The TCA? The present agreement is to "fine tune" the TCA in 2025 and BY NO MEANS to change it significantly.
Britain has to call a spade a spade and right now, it looks like the vast majority of Britons ARE NOT ready to re-open the can of worms that Brexit is (Too divisive, takes too much political courage to "show the way" and better "follow the crowd / voters°
Labours vote fell inline with the Tories. As it blame clear the Tories where going to lose, it became risk free to vote for the greens.
Be patient. Let’s see what the future holds.
People wanting solid promises about the EU relationship prior to the new government having time to actually *discuss* a new relationship with the EU members are morons.
No.
Unfortunately the EU-UK trade agreement will stay as it is. I would be very surprised if EU gives a green light to renegotiate it.
For heavens sake!
The new labour government wont be able to deliver rejoining the EU for the foreseeable future, why overpromise now!?
Isn't that what Tories have done for over a decade!?
Until public opinion and both major parties (sorry Libdems!) aren't in favor of joining the EU again and with the clear knowledge that ALL formerly negotiated special rules are gone for good, starting negotiations with the EU wont make any sense, as the EU would give GB the standard packages for NEW members (Goodbye pound, hello Schengen, full participation in the payout scheme for the agrarindustry for starters, but at least the financial burden might be not as great as Brexit led to diminishing BSP), want to bet what the reaction in parts of the british press is!?
Nope
Surely, if you can't leave the EU, it must be very dangerous ?.
They did leave it. And it hasn’t worked out.
@3:18 he straight up lied, free movement of people applies to several countries who are not in the EU.
Revisit is not good enough. A total reversal is a must otherwise Starmer will not get his much promised growth.
I was a remainer, and want to rejoin, but I don't think Starmer can do much more than revisit right now. He didn't campaign on rejoining and I think those still clinging to leaving being a positive will need to be led towards changing their minds, enough to make it the people forcing the issue and not the politicians (even though they can push things down that path a little).
Too bad. The UK will do what was agreed and what the EU wants
A renegotiation is not in Starmer's gift. A revisit it is and nothing else.
I don‘t understand why you always talk about what EU can offer in new negotiations…The question is what the UK will and can offer to the EU?…😂
@hopegreen9027 having them out of the european parliament is one of the many brexit benefits for the EU
He waffles about it because that's what the majority of his subscribers, the deluded desperate rejoinerati, want to hear.
If he told them the truth - they'd leave his channel, hence less income for him. Always possible that he's daft enough to believe his own nonsense, I admit.
That simple. Little englanders want to be lied to: by Farage, by youtubers, by the rejoineu party.
Little englanders only are happy when someone tells them they are the greeeeaaaatest and can have cherries, cakes, unicorns.
The UK hasn't even attempted any pro EU reform within its own boundaries. When the mood in the country turns pro EU reliably, the press changes, Farage and Reform disappears or turns pro EU, then UK becomes credible again. Right now, forget it! Britain is and remains a third country until Britain changes. The change does not come from the EU. and cannot be demanded from a member outside of the EU either!
Why should there not be a second referendum?
Positive first step but no cigar!
This ignores the IMPORTANT question: What good will it do to EU?
Otherwise: no.
In the course of negotiations, perhaps there will be some change in position, but probably only time will tell.
Labour are clamouring for growth, well there's a sweet 4% GDP if you want it.
Who is offering it?
The only anti-EU parties are Reform and the Conservatives. Pro EU parties are Labour, Lib Dems, Greens and SNP. Even the percentage of voters in the general election just held for the Pro EU camp (approx 55.3%) is significantly higher than the anti-EU camp (approx 38%). Though Starmer and his cabinet might well oppose rejoining the Single Market and the Customs Union a majority of Labour members don't. In fact my understanding is that the Labour membership are in favour of rejoining the EU. So it seems to me that one of the policies in the next Labour Manifesto should be a firm promise if re-elected to hold a referendum to rejoin the EU.
Labour was never a pro EU party. Corbyn was outright anti EU, but also afraid to alienate the pro EU members of the party, so he kept his mouth shut for most of the time. He is up there with Boris in malfunctioning. I'm baffled that he has been chosen again after the damage he has done.
It’s impossible until it’s politically settled in a country by both largest parties in a country wanting to rejoin. The EU won’t start negotiations until the Conservative come round and want to rejoin. Labour would be easier to persuade but even with their large majority they can’t do it until the Tories change their policy.
I can almost guarantee if a rejoin EU vote was issued in the next 5 years the vote would be 60% yes.
@@glyngreen538 That's nonsense. If the British people vote to rejoin the EU in a referendum with say a 60% majority. What possible reason could any anti-EU party put forward to oppose it?
@@Test_Card_Tom
They would of course say its undemocratic, treason and a betrayal of "TheWillOfThePeople(TM)" (which they would say about even calling such a referendum too)
I think a big issue we keep avoiding is that having a job in the UK is not very appealing or beneficial for UK citizens. The reason a lot of NHS staff are leaving is because working in the NHS is garbage. You're not supported and your pay barely goes anywhere. Not just the NHS, but people who are on full time salaried contracts in both the public and private sector can barely afford to pay their rent, and many can't get even on the property ladder. This is also a big reason people don't want kids. If you can barely afford to support yourself and your partner/spouse/etc, then how can you support children?
Immigration can help to a point in building a workfirce, but its not enough and shouldnt be relied up. The problem is working in the UK isn't beneficial. Long hours, crap pay, and limited opportunities. This is the issue that needs to be resolved. We need to make having a job something special as opposed to a means to an end. And also, we need to fix living expenses across the board. Jobs need to be worthwhile, for everyone.
The Breaking News banner at the bottom had a mistake, it said "Tony Blairs intervention not unhelpful" surly that should have been "is unhelpful"
Then it wouldn't be news. "Tony Blair remains useless" isn't worth reporting. "Tony Blair not entirely useless" is headline-worthy due to its unexpectedness.
Unless Labour acknowledges the damage caused by Brexit, this is just a spin job. Talking about whiskey and salmon makes this guy sound like his economic model of the U.K. Is agrarian and fishing. What about high tech, finance, heavy industry? He sounds unfit for his position.
They keep saying everything is broken .
The EU will not give us preferential deals over other 3rd countries, unless the the Tories recognise such deals are in the UK's intrest. Any deal made now could be cancelled by a future conservative government, so why should Europe wast time talking us.
Hey, I got an idea! How about the UK joins the Single Market?? Wouldn't that solve everything?
Oh wait. That's right.... the Single Market requires being part of the EU or EFTA. The EFTA has already rejected the UK's membership expressly, twice. And the EU also doesn't want the UK. Looks like the UK really screwed itself when it thought it was better than everyone else and insisted on leaving the EU. You voted for it, Britain, you have to accept the consequences of your actions.
He said dont preempt anything. Best news in 8 years ❤
It's only Day 2..
I'd give it a bit longer before saying they need to do more😂
I want my freedom of movement back! 😭
"Positive but not nearly as far enough" will be the main theme of this government
Any and every change to existing arrangements will be viewed critically by both parties and therefore must be mutually transactional. So what will the UK offer the EU for these proposed changes ?
There will be no changes. It's just a review if things need improvement and that has to be agreed by both parties. There will be no earth shattering changes and definitely no renegotiations.
@@telebubba5527 Adopting EU Sanitary & Phytosanitary Regs is not optional in the Withdrawal Agreement, therefore, I suggest, its a change ?
It doesn't go far enough yet. But they have to be cautious. Also EU currently isn't super jazzed about having UK rejoin. And even if EU would agree - we don't know what it would ask in return. Plus coming back to EU will take longer than 5 years. So this 5 years is for them to prepare something that will show citizens of UK how much EU helps. And maybe in next elections they can run on rejoining the EU.
Do they really want to?
Surly now labour have a clear majority we can have another referendum now we've all had a taste of how bad Brexit has been 🤔
No. Labour must stick to what it promised. To what it said it would do.
We have had 14 years of the Tories promising one thing and doing another.
Without media reform and without electoral reform, holding an EURef now will end up the same result as last time. (Re)Joining EU will lose after a campaign of tabloid lies and far right scare tactics.