The Intercept: New York Times Exposé Lacks Evidence to Claim Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence Oct. 7
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We speak with Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Grim of The Intercept about their exposé of a major New York Times piece into alleged mass rapes committed by Hamas militants on October 7 that raises serious questions about the accuracy of the story. The Times article was headlined "'Screams Without Words': How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7," and its release in late December helped the Israeli government to justify the ongoing war on Gaza and to paint pro-Palestine supporters abroad as not caring about sexual violence. One of the reporters of the Times piece, Israeli freelancer Anat Schwartz, is being investigated by the Times for her social media activity, which included dehumanizing language and endorsements of violence against Palestinians in Gaza. "The New York Times has grave, grave mischaracterizations, sins of omission, reliance on people who have no forensic or criminology credentials to be asserting that there was a systematic rape campaign put in place here," says Scahill, who criticizes the newspaper for not issuing any corrections for their flawed reporting. We also hear from Ryan Grim about how the flawed Times article touched off "extremely intense debate" inside the newsroom. "They're used to external criticism, but the amount of internal criticism they're getting has them on the backfoot," he says.
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NYT has lost credibility. Shame on them for allowing this to happen.
Agree. They have gone MAGA in a lot of ways.
I dunno. If you look at their headlines over the decades, they’ve consistently been on the wrong side of history. They were exposed by the illegal and immoral Iraq invasion as government stenographers. Now they are stenographers for foreign, genocide committing governments. They are truly pathetic.
@@celieneohara521 oh for sure, they are full on Blue MAGA which is just as unhinged.
@@celieneohara521 Hi Joe!
Oct 7 was a glimpse into the way Muhamad likely fought battles since Muslims emulate him … shameful crimes of rape and mutilation
Unbelievable. I will never look at NYT ever again.
i will never look at Israel the same again
This woman fantasized atrocities. Monstruous
The NYT's is not & was never here to inform you. It is a propaganda arm work for US imperialism. An ideological institution working at the behest of the capitalist class.. Wall St. & The Pentagon..
Fine, suit yourself!
Cancelling my subscription
Max Blumenthal and The Grayzone along with Electric Intefada broke the story. Give them the credit due.
this isn't 2005 democracy now. its a pitiful mockery of its former self.
A witness saw a terrorist cut off a woman's breast and then play with it on the ground. Witnesses saw women being shot in the genitals. A witness saw a woman raped, then shot in the head, then raped more while dead. Almost no actual rape victims survived; is it any mystery why none showed up at rape crisis centres? No survivors of the Nazi massacre of tens of thousands of Jews at Babi Yar showed up at trauma centres after. Will Democracy Now be "exploding" the "myth" of the Holocaust next?
A witness saw a terrorist cut off a woman's breast and then play with it on the ground. Witnesses saw women being shot in the genitals. A witness saw a woman raped, then shot in the head, then raped more while dead. Almost no actual rape victims survived; is it any mystery why none showed up at rape crisis centres? No survivors of the Nazi massacre of tens of thousands of Jews at Babi Yar showed up at trauma centres after. Will Democracy Now be "exploding" the "myth" of the Holocaust next?
Witnesses described horrific atrocities always ending in the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at rape crisis centres?
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at crisis centres?
It was the GreyZone &Electronic Intifada that broke this story, not the Intercept . They should get the credit
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at crisis centres?
@@sheilamacdougal4874if they existed the Israeli propaganda machine would be wheeling them all out before the cameras, instead they were busy burying the evidence, cars, vehicles etc from the October 7th. Nice try, propagandist.
@@sheilamacdougal4874If someone suffers 'horrific atrocities' as you claim, then, yes, they do show up at crisis centres. See if you can find a twelve year old to explain this to you.
@@lynnebarnes3840 Wheeling what out? Rotting bodies of girls and women in the Middle East heat, and not allowing families to bury them according to Jewish tradition? The absurdity of antisemitic denial knows no bounds.
@@owenorders5202 I haven't yet found a 12 year old who can explain to me why dead victims should show up at crisis centres. Perhaps you can find one to teach you elementary reading comprehension.
The US when presented with video evidence of Israeli war crimes: Look, I'm not a lawyer, we have wait for all the facts. The US when presented with unproven accusations on 12 of 13,000 UNWRA workers: Case closed, we're cutting off all humanitarian aid.
Yes, obscene hypocrisy.
For all the lies that were touted, only God can forgive them. Those lies has helped MURDER people who did not fight back. Shooting people in their beds.
@@elizabethwirth3845
Luke 14:16.
"Hypocritical Hearts Cannot Refute The Legitimacy of Compassion and Mercy Towards Those who are Suffering "
75-year-long apartheid, 56-year-long occupation, 16-year-long blockade of Gaza and now committing genocide. Pure evil. America's Tax Dollar$. Our Feds have been GIVING Israel some $3.8B of Our Tax Dollar$ every year for over 30 years. Recently, Israel was to receive an additional $14.2B of Our Tax Dollar$, but all that was sent was over 6500+ 2,000 lb. bombs and a host of Tank munitions. Now you know why Israeli's can brag about their access to FREE Universal Healthcare and FREE College Tuition, wherever they are in the World.
...ain't no Hate like Christian Love. Nazi tactic, brought to another land in order to CONtrol. Presumed Authority breeds Unbridled Power. Israel only thanks America and the UK when America and the UK are in the room.
America, the Big Yellow Stain on the Lands!
Here it is, folks... Our Government pissin' down our backs and tellin' us "It's just raining".
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
Our Tax Dollar$ At Work! GIVING Israel the Power and the Munitions to turn Palestine into the Parking Lot Of Their Dreams!!!
Gaslighting... It is all about the Benjamin'$. Gaza Marine is a natural gas field off the coast of the Gaza Strip. The Gaza Marine1 natural gas field (along with numerous other Natural Gas and Oil fields off the coast of Gaza, estimated worth over $524B) is located in water about 36 kilometers (22 mi) offshore at a depth of 610 meters (2,000 ft). The field was discovered in 1999 by British Gas Group and is estimated to contain more than 1.6 trillion+ cubic feet of natural gas. The DEAL with BG and the USA that NOBODY will discuss... and the 2 canals that they have been quietly planning that will run from the N. Gaza coast into the Sea of Galilee, and the lower canal that will run from S. Gaza coast through to the Dead Sea at Jerusalem, and down to the Gulf of Aqaba, to the Red Sea. The Suez Canal is out of the question... because, again... those Benjamin'$. Nobody will say a thing about the actual plan of "leveling Palestine" that the USA calls The Parking Lot. This has been planned for so long now... and to think, the propaganda used to distract the WORLD has forced the President of Harvard to resign.
“Most Zionists don't believe that God exists but they do believe that he promised them Palestine” -- Ilan Pappe
“Israel is a settler colonial project that is nearing its end, as colonial projects reach their final phase become more brutal and ruthless.” ~ Ilan Pappe
"According to Zionism, this is the land of Israel and this land belongs to all the Jews of the world, not to the Palestinians who live there. If you have a supremacist ideology, then you must resort to violence. You must create an APARTEID regime so that this RACIST ideology can be realized. This is the State of Israel.” ~Miko Peled.
"The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was “given” by a foreign power to another people for the creation of a new state. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty?" ~ Bertrand Russell
Abdessalam Yassine, founder of Hamas, was born near Ashkelon, also pushed with his family to Gaza by Israel. To refuse to see that 60% of Gazans came from the places where Israelis now live is to be blind. We cannot understand October 7th without knowing History. ~ Shlomo Sand (Jewish historian)
In international law, nowhere does one find that the occupying force has the “right” to defend itself. Instead, it is explicitly written that an occupied nation has the right to fight by any means necessary for its freedom.
"After 30 years as a USA politician I learned to never believe Israeli figures" - Colonel Larry Wilkerson
Read:
"Behind Israel’s ‘end game’ for Gaza: Theft of offshore gas reserves"
@@mariahewitt9787 jesus told the ChJews in John 8:44 -
"Your father and my father are not the same... Your father is the Devil".
I am glad to never be a subscriber to NYT, what a shame!
Same.
I wouldn't subscribe to them either, however I have great respect for Scahill & Grim, but why didn't they cite where they got this from? This story was broke by Mondo Weiss, Electronic Intifada, & The GreyZone. Isn't that a bit of unethical on the journalistic integrity?
I totally agree. I posted this above. @@adamguerrero5293
I am ashamed to say I was, but I called them and told them why I was unsubscribing. This was after they did everything to demonize Bernie and his supporters back in 2020.
@@adamguerrero5293 The Intercept, in an article, previously, gaslighted anyone who doubted the narrative as rape deniers.
It’s funny how no one wants to give credit to Gray Zone for constantly deconstructing the lies of the media and everyone months later try to take credit for fallacies they GZ showed first. How ludicrous
Not everyone reads or watches the GrayZone. There is nothing wrong with another news group reporting the same story. It's beneficial that more people are aware of the lies coming out of genocidal, Zionist Israel, and repeated by the NYT.
good thing the Intercept cites them within their article then, huh?
@@AwesometownUSA After the fact.
@@sojrnrr8368😅 lol people including intercept and Amy DN ARW SHILLS GATEKEEPERS
There are people willing to give them credit. Just no one who is afraid of losing major sources of their funding.
Shouts out to Ali, Nora, Max Blumenthal, Aaron Mate and everyone else who raised questions about this early on.
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at hospitals and crisis centres?
@@sheilamacdougal4874hello Bibi are you still at it like a sick parrot? What a fool you are.
Blumenthal is particularly practiced at rape denial. Remember his "work" on the Russell Brand case?
Please do tell of the secret information you have regarding Russell Brand. Allegations are not evidence. I could claim you raped me, doesn’t make it true
Why - You need to accuse them all of lying.
The UN sent an official to Israel She confirmed that Hamas weaponized sexual violence on 7 October at at least 3 locations including the Nova Music Festival - if you do not believe me you can quickly search youtube and find the AP youtube video where the UN representative confirms it.
Democracy Now should at least respond, leaving live videos with lies in them is just wrong.
NYT should be ban from Journalist world.
It's always been a soiled rag😷🤢🤮
Obama rescinded the anti propaganda legislation allowing them to fake the news
Should've seen the propaganda before the Iraq war. A menace to the public.
at least they support trans kids
the repeal of the Smith-Mundt Act allows them to print propaganda without consequence. Guess who repealed the act.
This was suspicious from the start - and used as a justification for genocide.
I don't know ,but I found it very strange that on octoner 7 ,they could do so easily what they have done... very strange ..
Yes, they we hide the surveillance footage..
@@johanvanhecke8583 this is something that is too often overlooked. Israel had warnings that Hamas was going to make a move, and yet they were completely unprepared for the attack. Their response time was abysmal! Hearing "we have the right to protect ourselves" takes on a special irony when you consider that indeed, it would have been reasonable to defend against this attack but THEY DIDN'T at the time. At least not very effectively. I've heard two guesses about why that was: it was either incompetence or some kind of intentional choice, for whatever sick reason.
This is all bassd on the years of your war experience? Or the fact that you are a professional war reporter? An amateur at least? Or a family member who was home on leave after the 7th??? @lisar3944
@@lisar3944 And you haven't heard anything about Lebanon? Or you have, but you just don't want to discuss possible scenarios...
How about crediting the independent Journalist who actually broke this story and did their job unlike these two, The Gray Zone, The Electronic Intifada and Mondowiess. Outrageous!
My heartfelt condolence to Aaron Bushnell a US Airman posted in Israel for sacrificing his life for Palestinian rights and the genocide and injustice in Gaza. May his soul rest in peace....😢
“If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed” Malcolm X
Sounds like crime reporting on TV for the last 40 years.
According to the world and all media Palestinians are oppressed. So how does this quote relate to the current situation?
Not the world and not all media. If you can’t speak the truth then you are no better than them.
@@OmEvul1415 propaganda
@OmEvul1415 thats a false narrative and you know it. Israel has for DECADES acted as if it wants peace and that Palestine is forcing Israel to punish it. Israel has repeatedly dehumanizing Palestinians while having the media and major politicians in its pockets.
You'd be a fool to believe what you just said. Most people are pissed now because we're just learning that we've been propagandized by the American Israeli alliance.
I find it amusing that the resistance has taken out more IDF than they have civilians. But the IDF take outs are majority civilians. But yet we are forced to call Hamas terrorists and not the other way around.
Agree ,but the word " amusing " is not at place here..
( I don't know a better word,since I'm Belgian and thus no English native..)
Only the dumb believes that.
@@johanvanhecke8583astonishing perhaps
Simple arithmetic is antisemitic
@@johanvanhecke8583it's a way of speaking ot meant to be taken literally.
Going with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate breaking this..... Love me some Democracy Now. But it was Greyzone who broke this....
Exactly! Amazing how Democracy Now pretends not to know, and how the Intercept attempt to take credit and lie by omission.
No, democracy now and intercept are sad shills
A witness saw a terrorist cut off a woman's breast and then play with it on the ground. Witnesses saw women being shot in the genitals. A witness saw a woman raped, then shot in the head, then raped more while dead. Almost no actual rape victims survived; is it any mystery why none showed up at rape crisis centres? No survivors of the Nazi massacre of tens of thousands of Jews at Babi Yar showed up at trauma centres after. Will Democracy Now be "exploding" the "myth" of the Holocaust next?
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at crisis centres?
not been the same since Matte left ;)
Credit goes to The Greyzone for their investigative journalism that alerted others to it.
Blumenthal is particularly practiced at rape denial. Remember his "work" on the Russell Brand case?
@@sheilamacdougal4874 But, no evidence still, or?...
@@isawilraen9816 To an antisemitic hate-filled denier, there is "no evidence still". To any decent human being, there is an extensive UN report based on interviews with doctors who examined victims' bodies, victims, and witnesses, precisely the evidence one would expect for such crimes.
@@sheilamacdougal4874what was the UN report about rapes conducted in 7th October?
@@insomnia7420 It's a 24-page report by a UN mission team headed by Pramila Patten: "
Following visit to Israel and the occupied West Bank, UN Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, Ms. Pramila Patten, finds sexual violence occurred on 7 October, and against hostages and calls for a fully-fledged investigation"
From the report:
"Based on the information it gathered, the mission team found clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment has been committed against hostages and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing against those still held in captivity. In line with a survivor/victim-centered approach, findings are conveyed in generic terms and details are not revealed.
In the context of the coordinated attack by Hamas and other armed groups against civilian and military targets throughout the Gaza periphery, the mission team found that there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in multiple locations during the 7 October attacks, including rape and gang-rape in at least three locations, namely: the Nova music festival site and its surroundings, Road 232, and Kibbutz Re’im. In most of these incidents, victims first subjected to rape were then killed, and at least two incidents relate to the rape of women’s corpses."
NYT must be sued and pay for the damages and consequences caused by their reporting.
…to reconstruct Iraq?
@@joblo6394that was the Washington Post
That 's not going to happen.. Better would be that people don't buy it anylonger... And the good journalists , begin their own media...
Congressional hearings like those neoMcCarthyesque ones recently perpetrated on college presidents, ought to be applied to MSM editors, to purge the media of editors that have cowed to the threats of AIPAC. "Are you now, or have you ever cooperated with AIPAC?"
What legal grounds are there to sue the NYT? Who should sue them? What are the inconsequential and consequential damage amounts that could be claimed and why?
How about suing YOU for being a BOT, writing rubbish in youtube messages and wasting everyones time! That makes sense!
Let's tell the truth just one time, Grayzone was the 1st to expose New York Times lies and deception not the intercept. Let's give the due credit to Grayzone. Let's have minimum integrity.
Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate covered this first!
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at crisis centres?
Blumenthal is particularly practiced at rape denial. Remember his "work" on the Russell Brand case?
extreme gratitude to Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate at The Grayzone for investigating and breaking this story
Exactly! Amazing how Democracy Now pretends not to know, and how the Intercept attempt to take credit and lie by omission.
The only thing they broke was their journalistic integrity
Blumenthal is particularly practiced at rape denial. Remember his "work" on the Russell Brand case?
yes, for proving that they are dumb enough to make claims about mass rapes based on two false stories.
CREDIT
lol
how could anyone believe that they have disproved anything
they discovered two false stories, amongst thousands.
some holocaust survivors told lies about what happened to them and other in the camps, many of them did.
does that prove that systematic violence didnt happen against jews?
will you people ever have a brain that works?
will you ever be able to tell the difference between aggressive, repressive monsters, and the people who are fifhting them? who have no choice but to fight them? will you ever believe the things those monsters, who side you are on, ACTUALLY SAY???
that they will do the oct 7th attack over and over??
i guess thats fine with you, cus its just freedom fighting, and mas rape didnt occur.
i guess hiding behind starving children instead of giving yourself up because you lost the war is a totally acceptable behavior
oh? they dont do that?
there arent tunneles under shcools, hospitals and churchs??
ok..
ok...
i see whats going on. you dont actually WANT to believe.
go join people you support. go do what AARON THE MARTYR DID
the world will be better then, because youre no longer in it.
Max Blumenthal & Aaron maté from the grayzone along with the electronic intifada have done an amazing job breaking apart NYT’s story. They should get proper credit
You realize that Christ was technically Jewish too, right?
Exactly! Amazing how Democracy Now pretends not to know, and how the Intercept attempt to take credit and lie by omission.
They’re cited in the intercept article
@@AwesometownUSAbut not by Amy Goodman in her coverage of this.
They are not cited in the Intercept article, unless it was done after Grayzone's recent episode where they spent a fair amount of time commenting how they weren't credited by the Intercept or DN.
Give credit to The Grayzone, Electronic Intifada, and Mondoweiss. They were the ones who originally broke the stories and put their reputations on the line when no one else would!
Max Blumenthal from The Grayzone was the investigative journalist who exposed the lies behind this report. I wish you and the Intercept would at least acknowledge that.
I'm just leaving this here,
GIVE MAX BLUMENTHAL AARON MATE AND THE ELECTRONIC INTIFADA THE CREDIT THEY DESERVE !
Exactly! Amazing how Democracy Now pretends not to know, and how the Intercept attempt to take credit and lie by omission.
@user-fm6bg2lm3i. ... and I'm just leaving this here:
This is a quote from UN report published 2 days ago: "the mission team found that there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in multiple locations during the 7 October attacks ... These happened in at least three locations - the Nova music festival site and its surroundings, Road 232, and Kibbutz Re'im".
@@dinorino2Hey man, read this, if you can read.
When the family of the person in question said that there is no evidence that their sister got raped. When Israeli police says when have no forensic evidence that points to rape. When Israel wants to use ZAKA, which is an organization that has given wrong information before, and was proven false again. When they say they documented 1500 eyewitness reports of rape, but cannot produce ONE. WHEN the reporter of the NYT article comes out and say, it not my job to produce evidence. You should maybe have some skepticism, don't you think?
If that evidence exists, why does Israel not disclose it. Why is all this evidence kept secret, You could admit it as evidence to the ICJ (oops not a member), you can disclose that information to the free press, so they can indecently verify this and prove your claim.
No one is withholding Israel from doing this, Israel is free to follow the procedure for these War crimes. Just as Ukraine does for Bucha, So why do you require more evidence from Ukraine than you do from Israel?
@@dinorino2While you are busy looking the other way, maybe check this one out from the LA TIMES 3/5/24.
BY JULIA FRANKEL
ASSOCIATED PRESS
MARCH 5, 2024 10:05 AM
‘They wanted to humiliate us’: Palestinian women allege abuse in Israeli custody
@@dinorino2 That report is based on claims not evidence - they even admit nobody came forward in the conclusion
GIVE MAX BLUMENTHAL AARON MATE AND THE ELECTRONIC INTIFADA THE CREDIT THEY DESERVE ! They are the ones who first broke this story
They relied mostly on Haaretz.
Glad the truth is coming out and fast that's all
@@sabinereynaudsf Haaretz actually labeled the Grayzone's report as false and called both Max Blumenthal and Aaron Matè conspiracy theorists. They've had to walk back those accusations. Haaretz has not covered itself in glory since Oct 7th. Even Gideon Levy was has expressed great disappointment in the position they've taken in actively participating in the dehumanization of the Palestinian people.
Yep.
I think an Israeli journalist also found discrepancies in the rape stories coming from Israeli citizens.
Excellent reporting, Max Blumenthal! Congrats for reducing the NEW York Times to a dumpster 🔥.
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at crisis centres?
Those witnesses were caught lying and the NY Times ran with it anyway with zero facts. They have been publicly debunked and humiliated, and now there is a dumpster fire at the NY Times which has lost all credibility for publishing fiction vs fact.@@sheilamacdougal4874
Their claims were debunked, and they were caught in lying and discredited. What the claim they "witnessed" was fantastical and none of the boes, which authorities have, matched any of the bogus claims that were made. You should take a few minutes to follow Max Blumenthal's reporting, and the reporting of many Indy journalists.@@sheilamacdougal4874
Mossad liked their own post.. Apparently, the ONLY one who liked it even though they've spammed it everywhere. lol
Blumenthal is particularly practiced at rape denial. Remember his "work" on the Russell Brand case?
We heard it first at the Grayzone. Thank you to Max, Aaron, The Intercept Jeremy Schahills report. Thanks to Ryan Grimm. Thank to you Amy for hosting voices sharing this evidence .
Not a single case of rape at the hospital. No cases of assault and rape.
Blumenthal is particularly practiced at rape denial. Remember his "work" on the Russell Brand case?
So they’re constantly lying… not suprised
Yes, lying for more than a century
THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LYING SINCE MOSES AND ROME
If you tell a Lie often enough... it becomes Israel.
jesus told the ChJews in John 8:44 -
"Your father and my father are not the same... Your father is the Devil".
@@droneshow5822 True
NYT propaganda instrument.
It is a propaganda arm working for US imperialism. An ideological institution working at the behest of the capitalist class.. Wall St. & The Pentagon
All media is propaganda.
Follow and support Grayzone, Electronic Intifada, and Mondoweiss to get coverage of stories months sooner than Democracy Now and Intercept catch on.
They also fully cite their sources and give credit where it’s due, unlike some other platforms.
Amen. If you're in on wanting to know the truth, go all in. DN is compromised. It's all designed for different levels of truth revealing. DN cannot be trusted. Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate, Electronic Intifada, Mondoweiss, these are people you want to follow if you've come this far. I was stuck there awhile.
Grayzone, Mondoweiss and the Electronic Intifada broke this story down first
Jeremy Scahill is as usual devastatingly outspoken! We believe him and Ryan rather than the now totally unbelievable and dishonest NYT
Ryan can be a dishonest actor unfortunately. He was deceptive and covering for the squad when they sold out the railroad strikers. I’m not saying he always lies, but he is prone to pushing narratives, not unlike what the Times did here.
Oct 7 was a glimpse into the way Muhamad likely fought battles since Muslims emulate him … shameful
@@Jdwest81 I like him, but yes, he's absolutely not above criticism. (no one is.
@@Henri405What are you talking about. No rape victims have come forward. 1000s have died because of this lie. Children are maimed and orphaned because evil people chose to push a cruel narrative.
@@AlexisWenberg Fair enough. I’m just a little bitter because I thought he was above that and the railroad strike thing was wild. Watching him argue with kshama Sawant about selling out the workers was wildly disappointing. And he was disingenuous when he did it.
Thank goodness THE GRAYZONE debunked this myth months ago Max Blumenthal and Aaron Maté are brave and courageous independent 👏👏👏 journalists
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at crisis centres?
@@sheilamacdougal4874why did the IDF bury all the vehicles and other evidence soon after the October 7th?? literally burying the evidence. the first word of your post should be, "propagandists"
@@lynnebarnes3840 Nonsense. Massacre denial.
@@sheilamacdougal4874 nonsense mass rape propagandists
@@sheilamacdougal4874 that's not really any kind of answer. Easy to ignore.
I’m unsubscribing. The ethical thing for Democracy Now to do, would be to credit The Grayzone, Electronic Intifada & Mondoweiss for the work that they did months ago - until today - debunking these lies. The Intercept has merely picked up their hard work and have run with it.
I unsubbed when it became "the quarantine report".
Think Democracy Now had dropped the ball here in attributing the exposure of the Times story to The Intercept and not crediting The Grazone and The Electronic Intifada who have done most if not all of the legwork for their piece. According to Max Blumenthal The Intercept also neglected to credit them.
Democracy now is not dropping the ball here. They are carrying the ball for the establishment by ignoring the good work of Max and Aaron
Grayzone deserves kudos for getting this story first, Intercept needs to give GZ due credit
There is this paragraph in the Intercept article with links to the various webpages: "The independent site October 7 Fact Check, Mondoweiss, and journalists Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifada and Max Blumenthal of The Grayzone have flagged numerous inconsistencies and contradictions in the stories told in the Times report, including the account of Cohen, who had initially said “he chose not to look, but he could hear them laughing constantly.”
This is shameful. There is significant proof, accounts and recorded words in video transcripts from Hamas on Oct 7th. I hope the world calls out these journalists, the vitriol of denial and doubt they cast and puts them and their channels to shame. Honestly anyone can be a journalist now and have a channel. Sinwar himself is a sex offender, has used sexual crimes on Palestinians to subdue and create fear. All the narratives are abuse of language, that is not a 'resistance', its terrorism. Resistance is MLK or Gandi, not this lunatic group. How can anyone in their right mind question this at this point ? How much rape is required before you believe it happened ? There are Palestinians admitting Hamas has shot them, not one mention, condemnation even question on these garbage channels.
@@Rl-yj2ny Placed after the fact. But the Intercept is acting as if they broke the story; typical colonial-settler type journalism.
How many Gazan children died because of this?
They should sue the NYT
12000 children and counting
@nurlindafsihotang49 25,000 women an children, according to Austin.
Who started this shit?!
Israel in ‘48.
Y’all should thank and credit Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate fro The GrayZone…
It’s so sad Aaron Mate worked at Dem Now give him the credit Amy you helped shape him into the journalist he is today
The good reputation of the NYT is long gone !
Democracy Now & The intercept have lost a bit of their own reputation: I have great respect for Scahill & Grim, but why didn't they cite where they got this from? This story was broke by Mondo Weiss, Electronic Intifada, & The GreyZone. Isn't that a bit of unethical on the journalistic integrity?
It should have been gone after they spent OVER A YEAR lying in support of the invasion of Iraq.
Props to Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate at the Grayzone, Mondoweiss and the Electronic Intifada for reporting on this first. They are uncredited in these reports and deserve to be acknowledged.
Exactly! Amazing how Democracy Now pretends not to know, and how the Intercept attempt to take credit and lie by omission.
They’re all cited in the Intercept piece *
I just looked at the article, and they did finally update it after it was recently published, after pressure from us and the Grayzone's recent episode.
Not trying to gaslight - I just hate infighting on the Left. I’ve had this paragraph saved in my notepad for the past few days, since I noticed a lot of people repeating this line about not citing them:
The independent site October 7 Fact Check, Mondoweiss, and journalists Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifada and Max Blumenthal of The Grayzone have flagged numerous inconsistencies and contradictions in the stories told in the Times report, including the account of Cohen, who had initially said “he chose not to look, but he could hear them laughing constantly.”
@@lisadraga I’m not sure what Grayzone episode you’re talking about but I read it with the citations as of three days ago
Thanks to the Grayzone! It was the Grayzone that did the actual journalism regarding this story! It's shameful that you do not mention this, Amy Goodman!
Israeli hypocrisy 😢
It's all they know; it's what they've done since 1948.
So happy that the Palestinian people will have a functioning GDP and government for the first time ever when this war concludes. This is huge for future generations. Thank you IDF
@@TransKidsMafia the IDf identifies as neutered
@@paulheydarian1281 funny how you mention 1948 since that’s when the conflict started: when the Arab League/Palestinian militia invaded Israel and failed. Would they have occupied? No, Israel would be gone. Sort of makes Israel’s current “occupation” seem merciful compared to what their enemies tried to do and still want to do.
It’s the right wing way
Didn’t the Grayzone investigate and break this news? Why aren’t they talking to Blumenthal?
Exactly !
Blumenthal, Mate,Finkelstein fell out with DN. Amy doesn't invite them on anymore. But still kudos to Scahill. But definitely Blumenthal and Mate did a lot of work on this. Blumenthal always mentions Gettleman lol.
@@155stw what fall out from DN..curious to know
Don't forget Electronic Intifada.
@@nidafirdous8038 part of it was due to Syria.
Full credit to Electronica Intifada and The Grayzone to which the Intercept stole their reporting without credit.
It wasn’t Intercept who exposed the Lies. It was The Grayzone and Electronic Intifada. I can’t believe Democracy now is giving the credit to someone doesn’t deserve it.
NYT should be ashamed. Thank you for speaking the truth.
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They are professional propagandist. This was not the first nor will be the last time.
The Intercept & Democracy Now should be ashamed as well: I have great respect for Scahill & Grim, but why didn't they cite where they got this from? This story was broke by Mondo Weiss, Electronic Intifada, & The GreyZone. Isn't that a bit of unethical on the journalistic integrity?
Dem Now and Ryan should be ashamed for not crediting the Grayzone for this investigation.
Easy to just read someone else's work. Low lifes.. Not the first time either.
Speaking the truth?! Are you real?
Its democracy now who are spreading lies on israel. I am actually surprised that youtube is giving them a stage.
Why don't you mention MAX BLUMENTHAL & AARON MATE FROM THE GRAYZONE? THEY REPORTED THAT LONG TIME AGO.
Credit must go to The Grayzone - not the Intercept. Shameful
The Grayzone and Electronic Intifada broke this a while ago. The Intercept has nothing to do with breaking the news nor did they cite the Grayzone and EI.
There is this paragraph in the Intercept article with links to the various webpages: "The independent site October 7 Fact Check, Mondoweiss, and journalists Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifada and Max Blumenthal of The Grayzone have flagged numerous inconsistencies and contradictions in the stories told in the Times report, including the account of Cohen, who had initially said “he chose not to look, but he could hear them laughing constantly.”
This isn't proper citation.Not good enough.@@Rl-yj2ny
Exactly! Amazing how Democracy Now pretends not to know, and how the Intercept attempt to take credit and lie by omission.
@@Rl-yj2ny after the fact which gives GreyZone, Mondo Weiss, and Electronic Intifada the right to sue them for plagiarism. Even in this interview they are representing as if they had broken the story.
I want to see Dana Bash at CNN apologize to Jayapal and thr public for saying Hamas using SA as a weapon of war and IDF doesnt.
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CNN SUCKS( NOT A TRUMP VOTER)
She'll do that when Helll freezes over. She's a hypocritical pro zionist mouthpiece of the IDF, more loyal to Israel, than the USA...as are most of the msm anchors and reporters on all the cable news channels.
I remember that
This is shameful. There is significant proof, accounts and recorded words in video transcripts from Hamas on Oct 7th. I hope the world calls out these journalists, the vitriol of denial and doubt they cast and puts them and their channels to shame. Honestly anyone can be a journalist now and have a channel. Sinwar himself is a sex offender, has used sexual crimes on Palestinians to subdue and create fear. All the narratives are abuse of language, that is not a 'resistance', its terrorism. Resistance is MLK or Gandi, not this lunatic group. How can anyone in their right mind question this at this point ? How much rape is required before you believe it happened ? There are Palestinians admitting Hamas has shot them, not one mention, condemnation even question on these garbage channels.
I am ashamed for the NYT lack of integrity in reporting!
Is this the 1st time NYT has a problem with integrty?
@@marlonb7500No, it is not. Anyone old enough will remember the false Weapons of Mass Destruction and the Iraq war🤬
You should also be ashamed of Democracy Now and The Intercept trying to take credit for breaking this story, when they went along with the Pro-Zionist propaganda lie about Mass Grape taking place on 10/07. They have even less credibility than NYT. At least credit the journalists who were actually out in front of this story taking the slings and arrows from all sides. The Grayzone, Electronic Intifada and Mondoweiss are the real hero's here.
@@marlonb7500 I assume you're being sarcastic....
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at hospital crisis centres?
The fact that the Intercept can’t site The Grayzone, Electronic Intifada or Mondoweiss is shameless
It's almost as bad as you're inability to read the f****** article you claim to be so angry about. Could you be any more f****** dishonest?
At least credit The Grayzone and Electronic Intifada for exposing this, despite the attacks from everyone pandering to The Swamp.
Exactly! Amazing how Democracy Now pretends not to know, and how the Intercept attempt to take credit and lie by omission.
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at crisis centres?
The Grayzone with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate was on this first. Not the Intercept. Credit goes to the Grayzone for being ahead of this and found this out first.
Intercept cites them within the article
@@AwesometownUSAa little late innit? They were called out DUH, THATS WHY THEY edited and checked themselves
@@pachamamarecords they were cited on day one of the article’s posting. if you’re curious, I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea but the streamer hasanabi read the article and provided commentary the day the article came out, and you can watch videos of him that include the multiple attributions. this just seems like needless drama/ infighting
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at crisis centres?
@@sheilamacdougal4874 you should definitely read the article
I was a longtime subscriber of NYT. Never again! 😢
Originally investigated and reported by "THE GRAYZONE" by Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal!!!
Really, Amy? Vanity Fair and The Intercept but no credit to the indy media who did all the heavy lifting, The Grayzone, Electronic Intifada, Mondoweiss. Pathetic.
The commonality between VF and The Int. are being billionaire owned and backed.
That's why things like DM seem to be pretend. I'm literally nobody at all and I know this, I can't be gaslit into thinking that they don't.
exactly
A witness saw a terrorist cut off a woman's breast and then play with it on the ground. Witnesses saw women being shot in the genitals. A witness saw a woman raped, then shot in the head, then raped more while dead. Almost no actual rape victims survived; is it any mystery why none showed up at rape crisis centres? No survivors of the Nazi massacre of tens of thousands of Jews at Babi Yar showed up at trauma centres after. Will Democracy Now be "exploding" the "myth" of the Holocaust next?
A witness saw a terrorist cut off a woman's breast and then play with it on the ground. Witnesses saw women being shot in the genitals. A witness saw a woman raped, then shot in the head, then raped more while dead. Almost no actual rape victims survived; is it any mystery why none showed up at rape crisis centres? No survivors of the Nazi massacre of tens of thousands of Jews at Babi Yar showed up at trauma centres after. Will Democracy Now be "exploding" the "myth" of the Holocaust next?
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at hospitals and crisis centres?
NYT is shameful. But wow…give credit to GRAY ZONE …Aaron and Max
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at crisis centres?
For the love for journalism: original debunking, credit to The Electronic Intifada & The Greyzone!
The Greyzone was reporting this for months. Why didn't you have them on?
Mondoweiss, Electronic Intifada and Grayzone were the first to expose this. I respect Ryan and Jeremy, but they should have acknowledged the independent news outlets that first brought this to light. However the story is now getting wide publicity now.
I would think twice about Ryan and listen very carefully if I was you.
@@celienat9369 What concerns do you have about him?
Thank goodness for the work of The Grayzone!
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at hospitals and crisis centres?
Blumenthal is particularly practiced at rape denial. Remember his "work" on the Russell Brand case?
It takes shaneless arrogance and hubris to take credit for other journalist's work.
The only reason I'm here is because I was cutious whether these two woukd give credit to the Grayzone and the Electronic Intifada for breaking thus story.
I suspected they wouldn't. I was right.
Glen Greenwald did the right thing by leaving the Intercept.
It's worth mentioning that this work was first discovered by the Gray zone. not the intercept! As a matter of fact, the Intercept used much of the grey zones work!
These men, along with Max Blumenthal, the Mate family, and others fighting to get the truth out are heroes of our time.
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Exactly! Amazing how Democracy Now pretends not to know, and how the Intercept attempt to take credit and lie by omission.
NYT Lost their creditability, Shame on them
The NYT's is not & was never here to inform you. It is a propaganda arm working for US imperialism. An ideological institution that serves at the behest of the capitalist class.. Wall St. & The Pentagon
I'm afraid Democracy Now & The Intercept have lost a bit of credibility as well: I have great respect for Scahill & Grim, but why didn't they cite where they got this from? This story was broke by Mondo Weiss, Electronic Intifada, & The GreyZone. Isn't that a bit of unethical on the journalistic integrity?
@@adamguerrero5293 They refuse to give credit where credit is do. They like having one toe in the establishment.
It takes two to Lie; The Person who tells the Lie, and the Person who believes it😊
Or the one who repeats it.
There's are lies being told if democratic people think Hamas are poor victims of this war they started.
@@ginnymoo7628 Started?????????
That would be hasbara bot the parrot the same story everywhere to justify their acts..
@@ginnymoo7628this is 75yr old illegal occupation..
Amy Goodman, you are one of my all time upstanders. I appreciate your investigative coverage. Please give a nod to The Grayone (Max Blumenthal and Aaron Maté), The Electronic Intifada and Mondoweiss who originally discussed some these topics months ago and faced serious scrutiny and judgement, yet they persisted in discussing a very controversial topic.
Why would they do that when democracy now is on the complete opposite end of the political spectrum.
Democracy now are pro war pro democrat proagandists & nothing more.
The Greyzone is first class journalism 😊
💕Was surprised to learn that the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem have been under occupation for 55+ years 😵, according to the international law and UN resolutions (1967-2023). I've come to believe that justice needs power to enforce it. ⚖❤
Yes, since 1967 aka the Six Day War, which some sources will either avoid mention that Israel initiated it or outright lie that Arab countries (without naming which) attacked Israel. For the record, Israel initiated and launched the Six Day War and attacked Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Iraq.
I'm American but it seems the Clinton administration 'peace accords' provided a distraction to provide right wing Israeli governments the opportunities to cut up the West Bank, expel Palestinians and build Israeli settlements. Trump's Abraham Accords are another fake process and charade. Both Dems and Republicans are guilty and we voters need to demand they fix these sorry policies and stop blocking a bona fide Palestinian state. UN Resolution 242 is controversial but it calls for an open and international East Jerusalem. That's another crisis -- Christians and Muslims who are Palestinian and Arabs in other countries -- are denied worship at holy sites. Under Jordanian and earlier Ottoman rules, East Jerusalem was not closed to any religious group. All groups had access and could freely worship. Disclosure: I'm American and Christian. My second degree focused on modern Middle Eastern history and cultures
Thank god we all have discovered and educated ourselves about all Israel lies and abuses to the Palestinian people.
@@user-ze7ds1lu1chello; sorry,but you are wrong.. " ...we all...!!? No ,unfortunately not we all... You, me; yes ,but lots of people no.. Maybe we can't blame them all , because if you not inform yourself ,with good sources on youtube... The main stream media isn't telling us... Have a nice weekend. Wish I could say that to the Palestinians
( for the good record; I also mourn for the victims of october 7 , and today I mourn also for Navalny ..)
@@sagapoetic8990EXCUSE ME???
Where is your proof that Israel attacked MULTIPLE countries and started the 1967 war???
Thank God there are still honest ,independant journalists
DN & The Intercept have consistently lost their honesty and it makes me question how independent they are. I have great respect for Scahill & Grim, but why didn't they cite where they got this from? This story was broke by Mondo Weiss, Electronic Intifada, & The GreyZone. Isn't that a bit unethical journalistic integrity?
@@adamguerrero5293 hello , maybe it's as you say.. I don't know..
I think that the most important is : hearing the truth .But ok , they could have mentioned it...
Not here.. This was the Grayzone's investigation.
But no credit from Amy or Ryan.
Typical..
@@johanvanhecke8583 Grayzone reported this weeks ago along with electronic intifada so they DN didn’t break anything
Give credit where it’s due, the Greyzone, Electronic Intifada, and Mondoweiss were all debunking these claims by NYT for MONTHS before the Intercept touched it.
Piggybacking without giving credit is theft. Have some integrity
Shameful that you're not mentioning The Grayzone, Electronic Intifada, and Mondoweiss for actually breaking the story. Really bad look.
I am glad this story is getting more coverage, but I am irritated that the intercept is getting credit for a story that Electronic Intifada was the first to report on. The Intercept criticized EI for not taking the SA allegations at face value then turn around and take credit for the expose when the NYT turns out to be full of 💩 just like EI said all along.
I think you are confused. The article is about the internal investigation within the NYT about the article. While I appreciate the EI, you can't pretend like the EI has some sort of exclusive right to report truth. Others, like The Greyzone were also reporting on the subject as well.
I would just add that all allegations of sexual assault should be taken seriously.
@tracyleighbasham unlike the Intecept they didn't run the story without verifying it.
Max Blumenthal from The Grayzone broke the story and the Intercept is 100 percent responsible for crediting sources.
You people are stupid.
You b*tch about ethics in reporting but when your alternative sources breach ethics then you're here defending them.
Make up your mind.
Your media consumption behaviors are the same whether you seek it from mainstream or come out here to watch channels like DN.
Everyone wants to claim credit and be the big shot when it comes to Gaza. It's disgusting.
The EI immediately credited The Grayzone and have respect for each other.
Democracy Now and The Intercept have been disappointing.
Just because they're independent alternative sources doesn't mean they get it right.
But you just stay in your bubble.
I said the same thing! EI has been reporting the truth for months! Including the truth about Oct. 7!!!
I thought it was Max Blumenthal, and the Greyzonethat reported on Oct 7th first
Why does this situation keep being referred to as a war? A war is combat between two armies - there's only one army involved here!
Indeed, one army and a terrorist organization.
@@averageyoutubehandle497 Well how awfully astute and observant you are eh!
@@averageyoutubehandle497 resistance terrorizes occupiers, yes.
@@sojrnrr8368 the fact that israel is stronger doesnt suddenly make them evil... thats a stupid af misconception that is going around, if a mosquito bites me and i smack him im not in the wrong - i was just preventing blood loss and potential diseases (no, im NOT comparing palestinians to a mosquito, the comparisonn is purely in the situation of "oppresed and oppressor") also terrorism doesnt have to come from the bigger group, usually its the other way around. when i say terrorist, i mean terrorist with the literal meaning of terrorist and not just another bad word because i actually have enough of a brain to relalize that words have meanings, theyre terrorists because they target civilians in order to create and spread fear and hurt civilians, that counts as terrorism by the definition.
@@averageyoutubehandle497 So, according to your definition the treatment of Palestinians by Israel in Gaza and in the West Bank prior to October 7 constitutes terrorism. Glad to see that and welcome to the party, we need as many members as we can get.
And thank you to the GRAYZONE for being the ones who debunked the claims which the intercept is reporting!!!!
Grey Zone, and EI are who gave pause to NYTimes. This is an important addition to the picture.
Gray zone revealed all the is ages ago. Give credit my god! Shouldn’t alternative media be basically courteous and professional?
Exactly! Amazing how Democracy Now pretends not to know, and how the Intercept attempt to take credit and lie by omission.
and avoid facilitating fraud too?
Witnesses reported horrific atrocities, always including the killing of victims. Is it any wonder none showed up later at crisis centres?
Note that the NYT is not concerned about the veracity of its reporting, but about who snitched!
Wasn’t this the Grayzone’s and EI’s story? Come on Amy! You can give credit to the original story breakers, can’t you?
It was The Grey Zone that nailed this a long time ago. Well done Max
The "Grey Lady" has been compromised by (right wing and pro-Israil) representatives of an ethnic group with wealth and influence far greater than their numbers. This has become a problem with many of our institutions. And it is not antisemitic to speak uncomfortable truths because it is our duty to speak truth.
AIPAC + Epstein, Maxwell, Nexter tapes = US foreign policy
What ethnic group? Judaism is a religion. There are Arab Jews, white Jews, and tbh the true oldest Jews out here is the Ethiopian Jews that they hid until we was out here calling them racist now they all over tik tok repping genocide with glee. Not mentioning of course the forced sterilization they were caught doing to the Ethiopian Jews and had to acknowledge and stop.
Who are you talking about Frau Gerlach?
Thank You.
Actually, these institutions have been corrupted by woke, socialist totalitarians who are in favour of Jihadist lunatics.
The NY Times spoke tot he truth for once, and is getting attacked by the lunatics for it.
Greyzone broke this first
Why not credit max blumenthal..
Thank you for airing these truthtellers
Truthtellers? 🤣🤣🤣
@@user-ii3vl3zy6m That's what people debunking liars should be called. In fairness, it's low-hanging fruit thanks to Israel being pathological liars. A lot of fodder then.
It was actually The Gray Zone, The Electronic Intifada and Mondowiess that broke this story. These guys are just riding their coattails and aren't even given the forementioned journalist their credit. Max Blumenthal wrote a piece called. Screams without Evidence way before the Intercept.
truth appropriators is more like
@@sojrnrr8368 If you cared about the truth, you wouldn't be supporters of a country whose intelligence agency's official motto was "thru deception one shalt do war".
Thank you for your work Jeremy Scahill.
Don't forget Max Blumenthal also did a lot of work on this.
Jeremy protects the liberal elite responsible for the genocide to begin with. He works for a billionaire
We need more Jeremy’s and Ryan’s. Truth tellers. Thanks.
Oct 7 was a glimpse into the way Muhamad likely fought battles since Muslims emulate him
Also thank the actual person who broke the story first Max Blumenthal !!!!
Great job uncovering this story THE GREY ZONE, ELECTRONIC INTIFADA!!!!!
The grayzone did it first
Glad DN and the Intercept caught up with this, but the GreyZone and EI (Electronic Intifada) already debunked the NYT piece immediately after it was published (2 months ago). It speaks to your journalistic integrity to at least acknowledge that.
Who would ever believe NYTimes now?
LMAO at Jeffery Gettleman saying he doesn’t want to use the word evidence. WOW! Of course you don’t, because you have none.
Yes, I noticed that too.
😂😂true
Electric Intifada and the Greyzone debunked this
Shame on Sandberg & NYTimes!
Amy, Democracy Now really should have electronic intifada, Max& Aaron from The Grayzone, and Mondoweiss on too.
Have you forgotten some of the other journalists who used to work WITH you?
Don't forget Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthall. They DEBUNKED the 'Hamas mass rape' hasbara, first!
Credit where credit is due, Amy.
The Intercept is great.
But The Grayzone debunked the Gettleman 'Hamas mass rape' on Oct 7th, FIRST.
They deserve to get credit too,Amy.
The news should be about truth and not lies.
The news should be based on factual information, rather than false or misleading statements.
she should be prosecuted for her lies
Why haven’t you given credit to the actual journalists who debunked this story months ago? Grayzone, Electronic Intifada, and Mondowiess?
Why did the guests or Amy not mention one of the most damning elements of the story. That is that the so-called "journalist", Israeli Anat Schwartz, with no journalist experience to speak of, was "formerly" employed by Israeli intelligence? Who at the NYT hired her to write on such a serious topic and WHY? Why was this very important point skipped over, unlike with many other news outlets? She worked in Israeli intelligence, had no serious journalist resume, is hired to write an incendiary piece for THE NYT that promoted evidence free Israeli propaganda claims that were then relentlessly quoted around the world. Mission accomplished MOSSAD & NYT!!! It stinks.
It was the Grayzone that did the footwork on this story. And not recognizing the Grayzone shows just how unethical you have become Amy.