Hornady ELDX vs Nosler Partition: Part 3 "The Results"
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Totally depends on what I’m doing/where I’m hunting. These are 2 very different bullets for very different applications. If I’m bush wacking in grizzly country, give me the partition all day long, especially for shooting larger big boned animals. If I’m shooting pronghorn in windy Wyoming at long range I want the Eldx with a way better ballistic coefficient. Kind of apples and oranges, both have their place.
I appreciate it, thanks
There's only one complaint about Nosler, that's the cost. But if I'm in grizzly country, I value my life a lot. If I'm shooting at once in a lifetime buck or if that matter any buck, I value it a lot. Nosler partition! if you want to blister coefficient even if you don't know what that means, then you get the accubond. -- you MUST SHOOT A LONG WAYS to see a ballistic coefficient reward. (Probably out of 99% of shooters ability to shoot that far).
Accubond Long Range bullets have the terminal performance of the Partition and a ballistic coefficient that it at least as good as the ELD-X. But please don't buy them so there is more for me to reload.
I’ve shot though brush with the partition with amazing results, ELDX would have a come apart ! ABLR is my go to for long range because it performs long range and it performs like the partition at close range
I just wish Nosler's would shoot accurately out of my rifle. Out of 3 of my rifles, they won't shoot better than a 2" group. The ELDx shoots half inch out of all of my rifles..
Shoot the partition and don't look back. It's been working for 60 years.
You’re not wrong.
I very much appreciate this comment👍😁 I load for my Ironsighted Rem700 30'06. I perfer 180's @ 40 - 75 paces waiting for a nice headshot on Bull Moose here in Alaska, also no follow-up shots👍
@@b01tact10nNo reason to waste ammo, just shoot him once with a partition. Enough said.
Partitions suck. So does eldx.
@@adamshaw8214What are you using? I’m liking all coppers now.
You nailed it at the end. Partition for close range high impact shot and the ELD-X for the long range stuff. If I had to stick with one bullet it's the Partition hands down. If I'm on the hunt of a lifetime that might include 300 yard + shots I'll carry both. Keep the Nosler in the chamber. You can always take your time on a long shot to reload the ELD-X.
Thanks!
Thank you. Even with a much older technology the Partition still provides solid, consistent performance in the field. I have used ELDX in 7mm Mag on whitetail and my daughter used an ELDX in 300 WM for a young cow elk. Both clearly expanded well and were effective. I have used partion on deer in the past. It too, was very effective and provided large wound channels and good blood. Both are great options. The ELDX is noticably more accurate in my rifles.
Awesome, I appreciate the comment!
Love the work you putting in keep it up!!
Thank you! I really appreciate that
Great content! Agree with the conclusions. Hornady SST has always been a consistent performer for me on whitetails.
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
Best for 308 sst 150 all in same hole 100 yards ruger good video thanks God bless
You got a subscriber sir👍 I see your methods of load development are pretty advanced. Your mentioning of shot placement, and ethical hunting ranges do need to be stressed😁
I've handloaded for 20 years now for my ironsighted Rem700 chambered in 30'06. The 180 Nosler Partition is my goto big Alaskan game bullet, also no follow-ups required😁👍👍
I really appreciate your subscription, more videos coming.
Love your garage AND THAT OLD SCHOOL JEEP TRUCK! Great content sir! Keep up the great work!
ELDX for hunting paper targets.
Partitions for hunting game.
I will stick to the Partition. I limit my shots to 300yds on deer and 400 yds on hogs. I have hunted both since the late seventies and went to the partitions in the late eighties or very early nineties and haven’t had any disappointments as long as I did my part. I live in North Texas and we have a mix of dense and open terrain. I have hunted with many other hunters than talk about how they have killed several animals in excess of 600 yds but for some reason or other they always miss when I am around.
I guess I am a jinx.
That makes sense, stick with what works. Many others have the same testimonies on the Partition.
I agree with you. I must be a jinx too, because I see many people who seem to "talk better than they perform ".
I hunted once with a guy like that. Claimed he could cut the head off a turkey with his .243. Two tries n he couldn't hit an orange on the fence post at 30yd, then he wanted to try a milk jug at 300. I said no.
I started in the mid to late 79’s and honestly, I can’t remember what bullets I loaded. In the early 90’s(?) I tried the nosler ballistic tip and fell in love with them. I never had to chase a deer again lol. They did tear up some meat though.
Now I favor ELD M’s.
A couple years ago when I was working a load for my 6.5 WSM. The Nosler Partition did not shot well in my rifle but the ELD-X shot great!
Cool, thanks for the info
Partitions are hand down the best hunting bullet ever made out 500 yards. Every rifle shoots differently but especially reloaded is the way to go. 99.5 percent of hunters have zero business shooting any animal past that and yes I can shoot steel out to 1500 and I love doing it but not past 500 with a live animal.
Appreciate the comment
Where I live here in western Canada there is a reason why there are rows and rows of Hornady ELDX ammo on the shelves. Especially 270. But in the spring of this year 2023 Bass Pro got in some Fed 270 150gr Nos Part, I think about 20 boxes or so. They were all gone in 2 days.
Thanks, I appreciate it
@@hopefulballistics I shot a big 4x5 buck at 90 yds with the ELDX 150gr in my 7-08 couple years ago. Took 2 shots and neither exited also in my gun I could only get 1.60” best groups. So I went back to Noslers, Hornady SPs, GMX/CX, Sierra etc. All my hunting is sub 400yds. So I want a bullet to penetrate through n through. Here in Alberta an elk moose or bear can pop anytime on a deer hunt.
@@larrysayers1377 makes sense.
Thats because they plan on giving the PM a long and painful death, and they want to track him down.
Stop aiming for organs and go High shoulder@@larrysayers1377
great video, it would be cool to see a gel block test between the two!! your test is what i expected what the outcome was!!
I do want to do gel block tests. Just can’t afford them yet. Future plans, lol.
Excellent series. I'm a fan of both of these bullets. Also a fan of both companies that make them. If I had to choose I'd probably take the eldx. That group was very impressive my friend 👍🙏✌
Thanks Kyle! It’s nice to see a group like that once in awhile.
Tight groups DON,T KILL GAME. The ELDX is not a deep penetrating highly destructive PROVEN PERFORMER like the Nosler.
@@twolak1972 my friend, the simple nature of a cup and core bullet is destruction. The sectional density of an ELDX gets you to the vitals as well. This is why hunters are using them. I'd bet in 2023 more hunters are successfully taking game with the ELDX than the legendary Partition. I'd personally skip the partition all together and go for an accubond or ballistic tip myself. 🍻
@@kylemartin832 Well there are all kinds of fools. I wont use a ELDX. Noslers have proven their worth in the woods. THEY NEVER FAIL
@@twolak1972 I get it, you're on team Nosler.
Ive had and seen erratic results of the 143 ELD-X on hogs and deer in the 6.5 Creedmoor, (penciling on some deer and then complete jacket core seperation on the next) i have since switched to the 140 hot-cor SP it penetrates well and holds together. The partition is a far better game bullet. The only downsides are that it takes some experimentaion to get good groups and the cost.
Thanks for sharing your experience
My same experience with Nosler ballistic tips.
The hot cor and the 140 gold dot are WINNERS in every aspect. Price, accuracy (for me), and game performance. Speer doesn't get the love & credit they deserve.
@@preacherbiggin you are correct.
Yes you have reason at 100%,,with a good load Partition very accurate,Hornady marketting.
I think most people put too much emphasis on penetration. And I’m completely confident that if you make a good high shoulder shot on a deer or elk with the ELD or partition you will find him laying exactly where he was standing when you pulled the trigger, so for me it comes down to which one gives the most accuracy to put the bullet where I’m aiming
Thanks, I understand that
I've got a REM700 30'06. I've loaded 110 VMAX and I've gotten pretty impressive overlapping shots, took a while to get it right but... I've used these on Caribou here in Alaska. About 150 paces I installed my scope to my rifle. I took a clean headshot and it dropped right where it stood👍
@@b01tact10n that my friend was a perfect shot
I've got a couple critters with the eld-x and the nosler partition. With the accuracy of the eld-x I would choose that over the partition unless you're planning on moose and elk hunting then id choose the partition
Thanks, I appreciate your perspective
The Partition is a hunting bullet. The ELD-X is a target bullet that is passing itself off as a hunting bullet. When it comes to hunting bullets, BC means bullet construction to me. The ELD-X is relegated to varmint/predator control. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for watching!
We've been using cup and core bullets to take animals for a long time. Are all those just target bullets? The eldx is just a more accurate design with a poly tip and tougher base.
@Kyle Martin I can't argue with you on that. The X is a great bullet. But it's NOT a bonded bullet. It's failed every test I've put it through by coming apart. And what becomes of that lead core when it does? Even that fragments into little pieces. I don't have a good recipe for bloodshot meat. 😥
The Partition has worked for decades. The problem with it is its availability for reloading. Those are next to impossible to find. The TTSX was available, so I started working with them. Now THAT'S a nice bullet! What it all comes down to is that we each need to test our ammo to make sure it works for us, for our guns, and fits the task. It would be nice if Hornady would bond those things. But I suspect Hornady is already doing this by offering the CX bullet. So, to answer your question? Hesitantly, yes. With 55+ years of hunting experience, I'm seeing a trend. Cup and core lead hunting bullets may be becoming obsolete. Keep an eye on this.
@@doghousedon1 I'll take accuracy over less blood clotted meat any day. Plus, how much meat are you really messing up if you make a good shot? A few ribs maybe (venison ribs are my favorite over charcoal). If you're trying to break bones definitely go all copper. The trend I'm seeing is accuracy 🍻
Eldx was designed for expansion at long range. At closer ranges it acts like a balistic tip. I have shot elk and deer with it at ranges between 20 and 831 yards. The best performing kill was the 831 yard mule deer with a clean 1 shot kill. The year before i shot another buck at 50 yards and took 2 well placed shots to the vitals. Comparing a bullet designed for 300+ yards to a bullet designed for 300- yards doesnt really work for deciding which is a better bullet. As far as accuracy, the ELDX is the most accurate out of all my rifles at long range. Luckily, its also the cheapest of the long range bullets. Less than 300 yards, I would choose a cheaper better termanal performance bullet. But I choose ELDX for acceptable performance at all ranges.
Great video! Are you going to try to do more load development with the Partition? Looks like you have a great load for the ELD-X
Thanks! Yes, I’m going to play with seating depth for tighter groups.
@@hopefulballistics Test different seating depth,a largr difference,you know?
The eldx is essentially a tough match bullet. The Partition is one of toughest hunting bullets ever. At reasonable distances, the nosler is the hunters choice. Agreed
True, thanks for watching
I believe that the concern over hunters ruining the Rockies by lead contamination will have me looking strongly at the ttsx and others, unbelievable!
ELD-X's are Extremely accurate and,.. Kill,.. very WELL !
ELD-X's and Berger Hunting Bullets, ARE used exclusively, in My Family for, Deer, Antelope, Moose and Elk !
Partitions are Nice,.. IF they shoot for you, in your Rifle, but at the Longer ranges, I'll take the ELD-X's and Berger Hunting Bullets,.. EVERY, Time !
Two different animals. Apples to oranges. The Hornady is made for long range. Better BC and softer to open up better past 500 yards. They're a good bullet but they do blow apart. The Partion is for 300 and in. It's a classic workhorse.
Thanks for watching and commenting
Hornady claims it expands at all distances
About as apples to apples a comparison as you can get. Two 6.5 big game hunting bullets made to shoot the same exact animals, same exact mission, same cartridge....an apple and an apple. Each unique in their advantages and disadvantages, thus the reason for comparing them.
About as apples to apples a comparison as you can get. Two 6.5 big game hunting bullets made to shoot the same exact animals, same exact mission, same cartridge....an apple and an apple.
Great video I had the same results with my 6.5 Creedmoor at 40 yards but I've told you that before. It would be nice to be able to shoot those into water jugs at 100 yards than a 200 if possible to see how that eld-x holds up then. I've read where the eld-x shine at longer distance and holds up better.
I would like to do that, definitely
The joy of handloading you can make the ammo you want or need for the situation.
Absolutely
Thank you for this video. The entire process boils down to two words: empty cup.
Excellent work. Yes more needs done but you’ve got a good start. However the question that comes to mind is : when bone is contacted what is the penetration after that point? One has bullet jacket left, the other weighs 3x as much almost.
Very true
Who cares? Its only needs to go another few inches after it smashes the shoulder (and they do). Next time you have an animal on the ground, do a test. There isn't a shoulder in America that will stop basically ANY bullet.
My experience (300 rum) is that the ELDX is a great bullet for deer 🦌 and the partition is equally deadly on elk, moose and red stag.
I agree with your findings but would mention that it also depends on WHERE you are going to shoot (or can) shoot the animal. You better not try to make a quartering to an elk with the ELDX cause you won't get to the boiler room versus the partition has never failed to make it ALL the way home (thru the shoulder,etc...)
Great comment, I appreciate it
Agreed my 300 RUM loves the 212 eld-x . Great performance and meat damage was not overly significant. Easy finding an accurate load for as well.
Very cool test. After running it I am wondering how you feel about water as a test medium and the derivative weight retention.
Everybody is complaining about the ELD-X having core jacket separation and the related low weight retention. In gel they are not coming apart nearly as much. Plus I think water is a way harder medium than muscle tissue and even ribs.
I think you’re right about water as a medium and I’m also shooting at 25 yds. This is a hard test on a bullet, whether it stays together or not. The ELDX was not really designed for up close shooting. I think it performs better in softer targets and at slower speeds.
I came to the same conclusion as you on the ELD-X. My distances can be anything between 25 and 300 yards, so I decided to go heavy and slower with a 200 grain ELD-X handload in my 30-06. The jury is out on how they stay together. The small deer I shot so far was a double lung shot with exit. And it took half a lung with it 😁. So far so good.
The eldx is used a lot here in New Zealand as our game is relatively soft skinned. They still punch well through shoulder blades and kill well. They are accurate, im sure there’s better in some cases but from the smallest goat
To our biggest deer they do the biz
Nice! Thanks
Just got home from the range. I was testing my 6.5-284, 140 Berger VLDs, new Lapua brass, Fed210M primers with Retumbo this time. So far, best powder/groups. Now just have to fine tune charge wt and seating depth. But still, 53.5grains Re22 is a very close 2nd. I suppose I could adjust seating depth again. My Brux barrel is 24"
That’s cool! I had slight pressure at 52.5 in my barrel. It’s only a Douglas barrel, nothing as good as your Brux.
@@hopefulballistics I'm heading to Wisconsin this coming Thursday to see my son. Stopping in Lodi to see Ken at Brux Barrels and pick up three 7mm barrels, two 8 twist for 7PRC, and one 9 twist for either 280 Rem or 280AI. Last July when I picked up a couple of 6.5 barrels (one I'm using now on this 6.5-284), they had quite a few extra barrels on hand. They may have something on hand you'd be interested in
@@derekmcmurry good to know, I appreciate that! I hear good things. I know Eric Cortina uses them.
@@hopefulballistics I've had 3 barrels, of MANY, that impressed me right out of the gate with ease of accuracy and repeatability with little to nearly no effort working up handloads
1. Shilen select match #4 24" on a 7RemMag
2. Broughton #3 contour 24" on a 270 (when Greg Richards owned Broughton barrels - he took over from Harold Broughton)
3. Hart #1 contour on a 270 Win
(I'll make it 4)
4. Krieger #4 contour 26" on a 7RemMag
So 3 button rifled barrels and 1 cut rifled barrel
All that said, I was involved in the purchase of 2 Lilja barrels, 3 groove, 24" #3 contours both used for 270 Win builds, 1 for a friend, the other for my son. I did the testing. These were as good or better than those listed above
@@derekmcmurry good information, I appreciate it!
I shoot 165 grain partitions in my 300 WSM, and consistently get groups in the less than 1/2 in range, I’ll never look elsewhere for a hunting load
Nice
I blew a 200gr Nosler Partition to pieces doing 3050fps out of a 300WM 35yds broadside, ribs, on a giant 375lb Mule Deer buck. Blew the lead out of the front and back, jacket fragments lodged in the off side shoulder. Deer was dead on impact but I didn't expect it to explode like that. Entry wound was large enough to put your fist in.
Interesting
No way we shoot huge Brown Bear and 1500lb moose in Alaska with 300 WM and 200gr Nosler Part.
@@redteam9881 Yeah, I'm finding that hard to believe also.
I have killed a few animals with the ELDX. Results were great on bread basket shots at ranges over 150 yds out of my 7mm-08. However I stalked a pronghorn to 15yds. Shot was high shoulder and the bullet totally grenaded. I chased a tripod for an hour or so and shot him at 300yds and it worked great. I now shoot a bonded bullet.
I appreciate that information, thank you
I have taken hundreds of High shoulder shots at close ranges and never have I seen this 'grenading'. Ive shot downed animals at PB range just to experiment also. A pissy shoulder bone doesn't stop bullets-period. I can't seem to replicate this 'grenading'. Please don't tell me shoulders are tough.
@theowenssailingdiary5239 glad you haven't had any issues for the sake of your game. Unfortunately, I had this issue and don't want to risk it again.
I’ve always felt that Nosler understates
their BC. Go with the partition and work up your load.
I’m going to keep working at the load. Very happy with the standard deviation
I have a 300 grain Nosler partition I dug out of the bricket on a MASSIVE MASSIVE mule buck, I was aiming for the back of his head, he jumped, I hit the top of his ass. The bullet went in blew the pelvis apart, (separated the muscle groups, not much damage). Went down the tenderloin, through 1 lung, and buried itself in the brisket.
I ate the tenderloin with the 5/8" hole in the middle that night.
Perfect mushroom, and 98%+ weight retention. (It went through approximately 4' of old tough mountain buck). -- they are not cheap, but, when you want your animal to die. Use a partition.
Awesome, thanks for sharing
forgot to mention thank you for this video
Thanks for watching!
Where was the interlock ring on the eldx? Looks like it's visible at the point where the jacket peeled back.
It’s hard to tell, but I think it peeled back to the interlock ring.
Good video sir. Have you ever tried the Swift bullets? Would love to see the Swift head to head with the Acubond and Norma Orix all are bonded bullets.
I have some Swift A Frame, but never hunted with them. I have them loaded up.
Ive tried 150 all the way up to 220 grain Nosler Partition bullets on Bull Moose here in Alaska. Ranges taken are about 30 to 100 paces for precise headshots. The Nosler 180's are my goto with the accuracy load👍
John Nosler created his Partition specifically for Moose Hunting😁
Great information thanks
boltactionalaska8834 what fps is best im looking for 308 reloading info only hunting deer ,I just want results 😅
@devilscut7564 Not everyone knows that Nosler Partition bullets are very accurate when developed right and can produce overlapping hits @100yds. They will drop large animals ie Elk with 1 well placed shot. Take the time to develop your hunting loads. 150 - 165 grain well constructed hunting bullets will do well for a 308. My bullets are leaving my customized REM700 in '06 avg 2280 fps. High Confidence in your developed hunting loads and shot placement, as close as you can possibly get for a higher chance. Cover yourself in woodsmoke😂 if those deer your pursing catch one wiff of your human scent they will GTFO of there ASAP. Good luck buddy👍👍
@@devilscut7564 practice, patience, high confidence, anatomical knowledge, breathing control, and I highly stress shot placement. I drink 1 or 2 cans of beer to calm my nerves sometimes 3 then wait for the right time to take a well placed headshot🤨😁😂
For elk on up, the partition.
Anything else on down the ELDX is good enough, but I have only killed 2 deer with. The ELDX 178 in 308 really tears the Adam's apple out and not much else is holding the hade on. Explosive. Both times were only 150- 180 yards.
That makes sense, I appreciate the comment.
Partition was a genious design. Eldx is just a standard cup and core like the hornady sst. I have to hunt with copper so i use barnes lrx with excellent results all drt when impact velocity is above 2200 fps.
Thanks
Try comparing the Accubond LR, the Hornady SST and the Nosler Ballistic Tip. This would be very interesting comparison.
I agree
looking forward to you working with the 270 wsm again perhaps trying the 160 grain partitions
I like the sound of that. Hopefully sooner than later
@Hopeful Ballistics I have some 270wsm reloaded with 160 partition in a winchester model 70 in 10 twist. I will let you know how it goes
@@realmetis8002 absolutely, I’d love to know
@@hopefulballistics verdict is in...160 grain partition in 270wsm winchester model 70 1in 10 twist stabilized very well at 100 yards 👏
Nosler partitions aren't known for being accurate, but I have a couple rifles that absolutely stack. The bullets were on top of each other. My browning A bolt in 20 WSM Nosler partition, max loads IMR 4350. I have one jagged hole at 130 yds
I set up a Remington 600 in6 mm Remington for my son. I tried all the 6 mm Hornady out there. Five or six inch groups with every powder and primer combination possible.
The Nosler partition 100 grain in it, has sub MOA accuracy. Different rifles like different bullets. (Sierra 85 grain game kings slightly better, Nosler varmagedon 55 grain 1 jagged hole) - makes me wonder if it's a 1 in 12 twist?
Yep every rifle is different, and with the right load and rifle, partitions can be accurate.
Great group of ELDX 👍👍👍
Thanks, best I’ve shot
Tested at close range 1gal jugs water. 308win 150gr nosler partition, 150gr sst, & 165gr sst. I knew this would be hard on the bullets, that's why I did it. Partition fully penetrated 4 jugs caught in the 5th. 150gr sst blew up in 2nd jug, 165gr sst moving at a lower velocity fully penetrated 4 jugs caught in the 5th same as the partition. 165gr sst held together& mushroomed down to the interlock ring. So if we want penetration from a fast expanding bullet just move up in weight & live with slightly slower velocity. Just my 2cents. Enjoy all you're work thanks!
Thanks, I appreciate it
My 6.5CM eats ELD-Ms in similar fashion. If I ever choose to drop to a 100gr bullet in that rifle the Partition is my first choice.
The ELDX will stay together at the longer ranges and or lower velocity. Loading to a 200 or 300 yard velocity should be interesting.
Based on your results, I'd say the terminal performance of both are very, very similar. That said, I'd go with the ELDX because of its accuracy., but I'd also try to find the optimal charge weight for the partition so I had an apples to apples comparison for each bullets accuracy potential. If I'm using something as big as a 6.5x284, I'm shooting distance and will need the accuracy.
Yeah, Partition will penetrate a little deeper, and ELDX will be a little more accurate.
Love the content! Would love for you to get a windshield for your mic though
Thanks
Great shooting
Thank you!
I am finding out the hard way that flat base bullets like the partition are more accurate than the high bc boat tail bullets. Also the boat tail bullet direct negative attrition to your barrel meaning shooting high bc bullets wear your rifle out faster. These facts are never shared by the bullet manufacturers. So if your not hunting out over 500 yards why bother using them.? I know we had a very vigorous discussion on shooting a clean barrel or shooting a dirty barrel and a clean barrel requiring a fouling shot. There is a very interesting video on this subject ( cold bore mapping by gunwerks) sometimes we both can be right I just like clean barrels. One thing for sure if you don't like cleaning your barrel don't ever buy a bore scope, it will ruin your life. Regards
Thanks
When you say you shoot a group using what the book said was the max. I would appreciate it if you would say what book you used because mine are not all the same most of the time.
I believe that was in part one and/or two. It would have been Hornady and Nosler respectively.
Like many things, the Partition of today is not like the Partition of 60 years ago, its actually better, more accurate and more consistent. Thankfully we still live in a free market and have a plethora of choices our fathers and grand fathers could only dream of. Just like the .30-06, .270 or my own favorite and beloved. 300 H&H that has served me so well, its better today than ever, and has never let me down. Use what you like, hunt, enjoy, repeat.
Well said!
In the .243 I like the old amax for mide range to long range
Don't know if the new eldm will do the same
Haven't tried them.
Nice! Thanks
ELDM does fine on deer used them in 2020 when I couldn't get anything else for my 6.5 Creedmoor just as good as eldx on deer now I don't know if I'd shoot a deer at 20 yards with a 7mag or 300win but out the Creedmoor at 75 n 120 it did wonderful
@@jmgates09 thank you,have used the amax with good out come
Hornady doesn't sell the amax in .243 anymore
I feel like when I see these test in gel, the cup and core bullets keep their cores. So maybe losing the core in this test is just a function of the media used... maybe
Water jugs, at 25 yds is hard on a bullet. If they are going to come apart it will show it on this test. Not 100%, of course.
Great video. For me partition over eldx every time.
Thanks!
Shooting a bullet at 2900-3000 fps into water jugs will shred bullets and not a good example of down range performance. Thank you for your videos love them ...
I am aware of that. Thanks for watching
Water is actually an excellent analogue to flesh.
How do you can extractor marks on a primer?
@@G5Hohn I meant ejector.
@@hopefulballistics I, thanks for clearing that up, I was confused. I appreciate you making the video, great work!
Just brought a heap to test in 7mm08 and 7mag . Nosler ballistic tip hornady sst Speer grand slam Sierra gk and outer edge ball tipped copper now all I go to do is find enough primers . 😢the reloading is easy compared to the work to find powders and primers at the moment
Unfortunately very true regarding primers. Have fun and good luck.
Partition bullets have never been known for its accuracy due to its complexity it is very difficult to get excellent consentricity that is so important for precision.
Good to know, thanks
I beg to differ, I perfected my recipe over the years drilling consistent dime sized groups @200 yards using the 180 Partition.
My Hornady recipe for 180RN closely mirrors the Nosler in Accuracy. Both in my opinion are great companies producing very great proven US made products👍👍
Load the partition for those big dangerous game hunts or for those marginal game cartridges like a 243 on elk. Never found the Nosler partition to be very accurate, but would still use it for it terminal performance on game. MOA accuracy is not needed for Lions, Tigers , and Bears at 50ft.
Reasonable take, thanks
Cool video thanks I have killed game with cheap core locks years they all work some better than other for sure. But we have know Way too no when or where our how far or how the game will be facing. We have lots of bullet choices and scenario all we can do is pick one and try and make the best shots possible. The rest is in the man upstairs ✋. Good hunting and shooting God bless y'all and this awesome USA
@@user-gb8gg6ho4q I really appreciate it, thanks!
If you saw my reloading bench you will find 2 bullet types. Number one is the Nosler Partition and Number two is the Barnes TTSX OR Barnes LRX. I have loaded some Hornady and some Speer but always go back to the tried and proven Nosler and Barnes. They both just work...
You know what you like and what works for you. Good deal
My 180gr loads in 300wm shoot .429" and have dropped several elk with 1 shot.
Tried 180 ttsx this year and had similar performance, plus zero lead in the meat.
Awesome!
More precision equals better shot placement. King
Have to tested the federal trophy bonded tip?
No I haven’t, only the terminal ascent
Great round!!!
Newer version of the ol venerable Trophy Bonded Bear Claw,still have couple boxes of those😊 excellent rou d!!
When you get the deviation to single digits, you have found the load.
I sure like the action on that rifle.
Thanks!
GA Precision or Gunwerks for rebarrel ?
My rifle shown in the video?
My take under 500 yards Partition and beyond ELDX where it’s BC and slower speed will let it performer better as a cup and core bullet. I my self quit using Partition’s and use Nosler AB for one reason I hate flatten tips the Partition’s get in the magazine box from recoil. Performance has been fine with the AB.
Very logical way of doing it.
Man. Wish I could find some RL-22!
Same, I’m out now. I had bought that years ago.
How could you trust the ELDx at 400-600? It sounds like you are trying to hard to like the ELDX.
They would potentially be more accurate down range, they would be carrying more velocity and energy. I already like them. I think they are like the cup and core bullets we’ve all shot for decades, but better accuracy and much better bc, and better penetration than most people think. But they definitely have there drawbacks as well.
I'd never trustt eldx at any range they still act like a vmax
@@AlaskanBallistics I don’t have personal experience hunting with them, I might feel the same way when I do.
@@AlaskanBallistics The 175s in 7 PRC hold together in whitetails, but that was for testing. Next year I'm back to one of my ultralight setups. I'm old and don't like carrying a rifle that weighs more than my pack. 6.5 Grendel HOWA at 6.5 lbs ready to shoot is much easier on the back...lol
I use Nosler ABLR’s for hunting. I’m in idaho so you better be ready to take a 5-600 yrd shot. That’s why a practice out to and beyond 1000 yards. 500 seems like a chip shot after you keep practicing at 1000. It’s my experience that for those long shots the Eldx’s and the Berger Elite hunters will have less dispersion at those longer targets. Because they are not bonded they tell me. There are some people who I think know what they are doing in the long range hunting world that are capable at those longer yardages. They are always going to shoot a Berger or a Eldx or Eldm because of the dispersion at longer ranges of other bullets. To each his own. I’m not the ethics police. ABLR’s for me.
Great comment!
There are no long shots where I hunt because it is simply too thick. We have one stand where you could get a 200 yard shot. All other stands are are 150 yards or closer. Many stands are in the woods where a hundred yards would be a "long shot." Regular cup and core bullets such as Hornady Interlocks and Core-Lokts seem to get the job done for me. I also shoot Nosler Partitions in a few calibers too.
Group size and the exterior ballistics means very little til you hit 300yds+, Partitions in a decent gun will shoot MOA pretty consistently, good enough to 500yds. Performance once it hits a critter, will do what's needed, when it is needed.
@@davecollins6113 I appreciate the comment
The partition is a better hunting bullet... but.. Accuracy comes first for me. Some people get confidence from magnum calibers and i happen to get confidence from an accurate round. I dont think the eld x is a great hunting round... but.. i shoot a ton of it lol.
Knowing i can hit a piglet between the eyes at 400 yards vs needing to aim center mass and hope for a hit is a huge deal. Just never had much Accuracy from soft point hunting ammo
Great perspective, thanks.
No complaints with the 143g ELDX. Freezer full of moose and deer meat. Moose heart shot at 30 yds, deer at 200yds, also heart shot. Neither knocked down, but only made it a few steps.
Awesome, thanks!
It all comes down to 2 factors, Minute of paper or minute of deer.
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Nosler for me!! It kills
It definitely does
I dropped a very huge Aoudad (they are tougher than elk IMHO) at close range with a 162 Grain ELDX in its tracks. Bullet went through first shoulder and clipped the heart, then dissapeard. I assume it exploaded like a Berger would dumping all its energy. Anyway the results were great, If thats what you have I wouldnt worry too much about close range with large game with that bullet. Too me it was devastating!
I appreciate you sharing this.
Sorry I forgot to thank you for the video
Your more than welcome
no doubt those are 2 of the best bullets on the market for their intended purpose. Elk, Moose partition all day long. Long range antelope or deer ELDX all day!
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I’ve used partitions in the past which performed as intended. Haven’t used ELDX yet. While I want to be as precise as possible, if you intended to shoot tight groups when testing, the ELDX out performed the Nosler because your barrel harmonics like everything about that load. The Nosler, not so much. You could back off your loads on the Nosler to see if the group tightens up. Don’t get hung up on FPS spreads if bullet groups are tight.
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I'm sure partitions are great in larger calibers 7mm and up. Had bad experiences with 6mm and 25 cal.
I think when the smaller ones that are going that fast ( 200 YRDS and less) shed the front partition and the rest punches a hole without much hydrostatic shock. I recovered 85 gr 6mm partition . It was a quartering away shot from 175 YRDS. It went in behind the ribs and went through that lung and lodged in the shoulder. It weighed 55 grs. For the smaller calibers and fast magnums I prefer monolithic projectiles.
Interesting, I appreciate the comment.
Really a better comparison would have been with the Nosler Ballistic tip, or Accubond, or even more so the Accubond long range because the Partition isn't a boat tailed bullet, and therefore usually not going to be quite as accurate. But in reality the ELDX as far as a hunting bullet isn't even in the same league as the Nosler Partition.
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So, to summarize this video: Hornady Eldx better accuracy. Nosler Partition better and more reliable terminal performance. I agree. That is a pretty good assessment. Each bullet has its strength and each has its vulnerability. Both are great bullets.
Good summary, thanks for watching
There is nothing better about Partitions. Its good, but not as emphatic as eldm or x at ANY range or velocity. Point blank a shoulder next time you have a kill, then go digging. Despite what people say, that front shoulder will be toast as will anything behind it.
Eldx for persision, nosler for close range
I agree
Nope
27:08 'making the partition accurate'
Just tweaking the load or seating depth may not fix it. Many folks don't understand how bullet construction affects inherent accuracy. The more complicated it is, the more variables are introduced. The Partition is one of the best/worst examples: double cup and core, and a thin monolithic disc - the partition. That partition creates pushes against the lands in the barrel with different pressure than the rest of the bullet, which is softer.
There is a reason that match grade bullets have simple construction for consistency.
Monolithic are simplest
Cup and core are second simplest
Partitions and other exotics are inherently more difficult to manufacture consistently.
BTW: Good content inspite of the camera issues.
Thanks, interesting comment.
We need a test that you place cow ribs over ballistic gel and simulate a 200 yard FPS shot
You have to hit your game to kill it and shot placement in vitals is more important than most other variables. With the partition that will be questionable. Look back at Myth Busters T.V. series and you will see shooting into water is a terrible way to test bullets. In the episode in reference shooting into a swimming pool with a 30-06 a 45 ACP and a 50BMG. Guess which bullet penetrated more and retained more Mass. Thats right, the 45ACP
Shooting into water at 25 yds is a rough test. If it can have good weight retention at that distance it will do good at all other distances and into other mediums. The penetration is just fun to see what happens.
Well if these F*****g morons out there shooting 7,8,9 and 1000 yds AT LIVE GAME would take up HUNTING and not target shooting there would be no need for anything beyond the PROVEN NOSLER PARTITION because then they would realize shooting at a live animal beyond 500 yards is unethical.and just stupid . Give the animal the respect IT DESERVES and stop your damn chest thumping BS.
Two completely different bullets with completely different applications, different construction, different ballistics... partition vs a-frame. Sirocco vs eldx.
This came across my feed randomly. I'm always seeing some videos and mainly comments on how the ELD-X are junk and made for paper. Since I switched to them I have 7 or 8 elk, a dozen deer, an Oryx, and I lost count on antelope that all didn't get the memo that my bullet was crap. I've never had one disintegrate. Recovered a few of them with good retention. Learn to shoot people. That's 1000 percent more important than the bullet you use. A lot of animals have gone down with cheap core lokts. It's shot placement that's going to make the difference.
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Try federal terminal accent. Blows both these outa the water
I like the terminal ascent
@@hopefulballistics me 2. Probably the best designed hunting bullet on the market . Just wish there was more then one grain weight per caliber . I shoot 308 mostly for deer and them 175s are kinda heavy for some applications. Wish there was a 150 or 165 grain option.
Use the tried n true partition. Its been the bench mark for over 60years
It’s a good one
you won't go wrong using the partitions, used exclusively for the past 20yrs.
ELDX is a match bullet pushed as a hunting bullet. NOSLER PARTITION is a hunting bullet from tip to tail. Take the NOS, Best money you,lle ever spend.
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Interesting opinion. I also label bullets by how I use them rather than how they are marketed. I find eld match to be one of the more humane options in a hunting bullet
The accuracy of the eldx trumps the better performance of the partition shot placement is the most important factor
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ELD X is half the price of Nosler cartridge. At over $5 a round for the Nosler I definitely won't get as many practice rounds.
True
The eldx looks like a 1 inch group to me
If want to know how bullets perform on game it’s really simple: read reviews posted to, for instance, Midway. Watching water jugs explode is amusing but let’s face it shooting water jugs only proves one thing-the behavior of water jugs. If you booked an expensive guided hunt ask the outfitter for his bullet recommendations. The outfitters and guides may see more game taken in a season than the average hunter sees in a lifetime.
The things you mentioned, and my video are not opposed to each other. All experience, information, testing is valid. Water jugs at 25 yds is a rough test on a bullet. It shows if a bullet can hold up at close range and high velocity.