6.5 Creedmoor Ballistic Gel Tests - 143gr ELD-X, 140 SST, 130 SGK, 129 ABLR
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- 6.5 Creedmoor expansion tests in ballistics gel with the following bullets:
143gr Hornady ELD-X
140gr Hornady SST
130gr Sierra Game King
129gr Nosler AccuBond Long Range
UPDATED 09/27/2018 - All links have been removed to comply with CZcams content policies.
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That Sirra bullet is NOT a Game King. It is a hpbt bullet and the game king is not a hollow point you need to read on the bullets to show what they do
Guess you are right I made a mistake but one thing I am not is a dumb ass like you said. Going to get rid of Johnnys reloading bench because you have a real bad attitude and anyone that I shoot with I will also tell them about your bad attitude. Anyone who is trying to teach or show people reloading should not have an attitude like yours but should show people the mistake.
We miss you Shannon. We hope you are doing well. You are still one of my primary sources for research in the reloading community. If you ever decide you want to come back, even just to hang out a little bit, we'll all be here, waiting for you with open arms.
Semper Fi brother
I miss his videos, I still watch while i'm reloading. HUA
I’ve used the SST to hunt a bunch of medium to large game and they are by far the best , most accurate and least expensive hunting bullet on the market. Thank you Johnny.
247 miles today lol *2.7 miles
12 shots *400 yards round trip = 4800 total years 4800 yards *3 feet = 14,400 total feet 14,400 total feet /5280 feet in a mile = 2.72 Miles walked
laughed entirely too hard at 247 miles.
Yes, twas a good laugh, thanks
Why do you think he hasn't posted a video in a week!
Johnny is doing maff, not math
I actually loved the format. Right to the point, no unnecessary rambling. And hornady proves to be king of the 6.5 once again. Just about every gun loves them and they aren't picky at all with seating depth.
Shooting at 200 yards like you are doing, and showing actual hunting distances is really helpful. It’s the results that matter, shooting gel at 10 yards gives me no good info. To bad you can’t get to 400 or 500 yards. It would be interesting to see what the minimum velocities are required to get proper expansion. Keep up the quality work JRB.
The trick would be to reload on the slow side with less powder, to replicate the velocities we could have down range.
@Reel-Lentless At first I was thinking that would make a lot of sense. But then I wonder if that wouldn't change something ballistically like maybe it wouldn't stabilize coming out of the muzzle or some other kind of side effects of being loaded down. In theory the impact doesn't know how it got there. If it hits at 1800fps, it doesn't know how it started. But what about spin rates or yaw or whatever. I don't know enough to know what the answer is on this.
Rent a helicopter next time😋👍
Check out the channel "Simple Minded Fella". He does tons of simulated long-range bullet tests in ballistics gel. I think it's usually around 400 meters. Extremely underrated channel.
@@SuperOpinion8edAt the very least it would change the angle of the bullet and its vector when it hit the gel due to bullet arc over distance. Downloading is still great but it’s not telling the whole story.
(2 year old thread … oops)
The purpose for gel tests is to test bullet performance on impact. You tested just that at a reasonable hunting range. You tested what needs to be tested in an appropriate manner. Ya dun good!!! Don't change a thing.
I like your gel test format. I too, would hate all the walking. Your test solidified my argument against Berger VLD bullets. The first animal I shot with one pretty much did as advertised. There is nothing more disheartening than a blood trail that runs out after 10 yards... 10 YARDS!!! We searched all day and half the next morning for a spike buck I shot with one at about 60 yds with a .270 140gr VLD. 6 days later the buzzards led us to him. I got his winky little cull horns. He ran more than 350 yards. Begers philosophy is horribly flawed. The bullet does exactly as they claim. It dumps its energy inside the animal... doesn't always drop the animal in its tracks. I dropped the remaining Berger bullets in the trash, and went back to Nosler Accubonds and not a problem since. Some never took a second step.
Thanks! Working up 6.5 I appreciate your thoroughness!
I love these gel test videos. I think this format is great!
None of my Eld-x have ever looked like that. Always shed core from jacket. But, they are very accurate and they always seem to kill so I can’t complain. Love the videos.
Love your sense of humor!! The 247 miles seems to have kept everyone's attention. Your editing skill is the best I have seen on any reloading channel, I find myself scanning my e mails looking for Patreon/ JRB/Reloading and always watch ASAP. You, sir are an entertainer. Go ahead and admit it.
Re the 130 SGK, shot a hog and a deer with that bullet this past year. Deer had a softball size exit wound and went about 20 yds. with LOTS of blood on the ground. Good bullet for double lung shot, but I wouldn't want to go through the shoulder with it. Working on switching to the ELD-X, so really appreciate the gel test.
Ozark Spirit donated this ballistics gel to the channel. He even invited me to TX last year where I was able to kill my first wild hogs! He's doing some good reloading videos. Do me a favor and go check out his channel here: czcams.com/channels/5hcR5WG6QPlux2IXQBLdtA.html
just gave him a sub, the 7mm rem mag series got me
The link might be bad, it won't go to his channel on my device.
But I will search CZcams and connect.
Will do! Thanks!
Link bad, but found him on a search.
Johnny's Reloading Bench
Can you reuse the ballistic gel?
Thanks for your time. This is the kind of gel test that actually gives us useful data. Hunting distance! Not spitting distance. Well done! Keep em coming!
Nice work. Thanks for taking the trouble to do all this. My experience (over 50 years of shooting): 1) I don't look to Sierra for hunting bullets. 2) Nosler has ALWAYS been a top performer. I love those guys. 3) Hornady is really working hard to put themselves at the cutting edge, and they're succeeding.
Man don't change a thing. Solid testing, no flash or dopey extra stuff. Just your quality reloading, presentation, and opinion is all that is needed.
Great work as always.
A very interesting video, no format change required. Suprisingly good result from the sst.
i really like that you do the tests for the grouping then how they work in the real world. its the perfect combination.
Dont worry about an interesting video format or slow-motion. The information is exactly what we came here for and your description and explanation of each was great!
I enjoyed the test. It was better than others I've seen. Thanks for your videos, I'm learning a lot.
I like your gel test videos straight-to-the-point none of that unnecessary watching the bullet hit the gel three or four times and slow motions nice and yeah it's kind of exciting not necessary
I can't believe you walked 247 miles in a day! Haha. Just kidding. I love the thoroughness and attention to detail while still being condensed enough with useful and enjoyable video. Thanks for the video!
I think the format is just fine. No need for slo-mo. The information we get from these gel tests are extremely valuable. As you would use a chrono to get needed info, gel gives us that valuable terminal info for intended uses. Just another tool in our bag of tricks to make sure our loads are doing what we want them to do. You’re doing a great job.
Thankyou I thought I learned some stuff from your test. We have been killing elk the last 2 yrs with 143 eldx in 6.5 and 145 eldx in the 270 win and they have worked very well. Thanks
Thank you for doing the gell test at 200 yards.
I liked the video. It was informative and helped me decide what bullet I would choose for a certain situation.
The format of this video is great for me. I don’t always have to have good jokes and dramatic footage to be entertained. I don’t find many videos of people testing bullets at hunting distances. In fact, I wouldn’t have known about Bergers fragmenting if not for your video. Keep up the great work.
I would like to thank you for making this video. I just bought a Hornady SST and see how it performs.
Great to see gel test @200 yds! Thanks :)
Great video, just picked up the 140 SST for a Creedmoor as the ELDX are nowhere to be found, very happy to see the results, should be a fantastic deer bullet. Thanks!
I think this was s great video honestly much more of a real scenario than most ballistic test.
"...so that I could read, and lower my stupidity." I laughed out loud at that one. Respect, sir. I'm now subscribed, hahaha.
That statement right there cemented your credibility. The video was interesting to me. I can't nor will I criticize any of the bullets you tested. My preference leans towards Bowler and Barnes. Cost of bullets is inconsequential compared to possibly losing a wounded animal.
Wow great test!!! Lining up those blocks at 200 yards must be a pain. Great performance from the 6.5 creed. Anyone talking deer with the 6.5? Great video. Please do a lot more test like these. I personally love the footage and find it very exciting.
I really enjoyed this video. No need to fancy it up, imo. It was supposed to be a gel test and it was a very interesting gel test. Thanks for doing all that work and sharing it.
This is useful info!!! Keep doing the gel tests!!!
Great video. The Hornady bullets looked like great deer options to me.
This was a good video, I am more interested in the bullet expansion than slow mo. Keep up the good work
Great video as always!
JRB, love your video's, Very informative, you go in to Great detail, love seeing gel test, Have you quit doing these,?? Please don't quit. i have been reloading over 45 yrs, and learn something on every video.
Awesome practical hunt/load testing!
As always great videos and content! Maybe try some Barnes 120 TSX to see they perform at that range. That would be interesting.
Great information at real world distances. Wish more people would test like this.
247 miles you walked??? Thank you for putting the gel at 200 yds, it gives a more honest representation of what the bullet will do on game at ranges you actually shoot them at.
It’s actually 2.6 ish miles 😂
Great real life test. The 143 eldx are great in my 6.5 as well great bullet
The black crap you commented on in the block is actually from a explosion within the gel from air pressure. The bullet achieved such a large temporary stretch cavity that when it collapsed back in upon itsef it exploded the air within from the overpressure. Its kinda on the same principle as a Diesel engine using extreme internal pressure to cause a spark rather than using spark plugs.
Yeah, their is another channel where it was shown in slow motion, showing exactly what you just said. It's pretty cool to watch in slow motion.
Love your channel!!!! Thanks for the videos, you should try showing a slow motion part of the gel getting hit to see the hydrostatic shock and how much it really expands
Great Video! Thanks for the very useful information!
Wow JRB walked 10 marathons for this video, give it a like people! Hahaha hey dude great video this has definitely taught me some things about which bullet I should choose for an antelope hunt I am applying for later this year with my 6.5 creedmoor (the 243 will be gone by then or I would use that) I am on the side of bullets holding together as far as large game. This format was just fine to watch! Maybe some iPhone slow motion would work but if you don’t have one it’s not the worst thing it would still be way to fast for an iPhone anyway. Great video it helped me out. I’m thinking ELD-X for my hunting this year
247 miles LOL, I love this channel!
Excellent review👍
Very nice gel testing
Jrb, the Gel testing at hunting distance is excellent. This is great information. The format is fine.
I also have hunted with a bow for a long time and definitely come from the school of penetration is king. I agree that a exit hole on the second side is usually pretty large and when you get a pass through in my experience the animal bleeds from both holes and the blood trail on a pass through is much better, making it easier to track the animal. Having the ability to punch through a shoulder on the second side is also a big plus IMO.
Would love to see the Nosler Partition in 6.5 Creedmoor also. That has always been a great hunting bullet dumping some of its energy fragmenting in the beginning yet retaining the majority of its weight for penetration.
The Hornady 143 ELDX looked great. That bonded Nosler looked good too (to bad they don’t shoot) The Game king was disappointing to me, would love to see the classic soft point game king tested. Maybe a partition vs softpoint gameking video?
Keep up the great Vids. The gel testing addition of hunting bullets is excellent. Would love to see the MK262 at 200 yards also.
Thanks again for sharing.
T Hutch would love to see partitions! I'm sure a lot of elk hunting guys would like that too. 160gr Hornady round nose too!
I really like the video! Good info gained
Strapping your gel blocks down to the table might help you out a little... That whole breakdown on how far you walked back and forth checking the gel blocks was freaking hilarious!!!
Thank you for not shooting the gel at 10 yards
Great video!
Good work. Top shelf!
Just took my first deer with the 143 grain Hornedy eld x shot my deer at 175 yards it punched a hole straight through the deer and dropped it on the spot very impressive made a huge exit wound
LEGENDARY..He broke a world record for miles walked in a week but he did it in one day.
awsome work thanks for all your time now we need a 308 😀
The great thing about the Nosler ABLR is that it will hold together at high speeds and also reliably expand at slow speeds.
It would be sweet to see how these bullets actually preform as they state at greater distance.
I'm amazed at the permanent wound cavity with the SST. That's incredible.
thejohnnybob matches my experience with sst's in 7mm-08. Jello inside. Not good if you like eating organs.
So the GameKings work well on animals.! I shot a mule deer in Utah, it did the most damage out of any other bullet I’ve used.! Great review and testing.!
Vaughn Precision; only thing, that box of bullets wasn’t GameKings. It’s marked HPBT
There are some gamekings that are hpbt and fmjs. I'd never use either of them on big game but whatever.
All of the Gamekings I've seen have been soft points, not hollow points.
I'm on the weight retention side of the fence also... I shot a deer this year with my Grendel at about 75 yards with factory Hornady 123gr SST and was disappointed. I got a full pass through but I blew up the shoulder pretty bad... I shot close to a dozen hogs with it and the few I kept wasn't bad so hoping the deer was just because of how close it was and because it went straight through the shoulder. Great video brother keepem coming!!!
I'm a novice, but from what I've read, a jacketed bullet like the SST is not designed to pass through the shoulder effectively, but is more geared for a behind the shoulder shot through heart/lungs. For a shoulder shot, the experts I gather recommend bonded or monolithic copper bullets.
thanks for doing the test at something besides point blank. 200 yards was a great idea .
I love a guy that can admit his faults and openly criticize himself for it. Kudos Johnny.
I thought this was a great test and result. The results let folks choose the bullet they want by the results shown. Example: someone shooting an AR platform my prefer the SST’s because of the cannelure. Someone shooting lighter weight animals would like the Game Kings or the Bergers.
It would be ridicules to test all your loads in gel. But, when you work up some hunters or even some self defense rounds it is nice to see the business end of what the bullets do with accurate work ups.
The invitation to the hog hunt is an open one and you will be welcome for years to come. Thank you for the props and all the hard work you do for the community.
Thanks for the videos
Love seeing the flash in the gel
I sure hope your powder math is more on point. Good video, I am looking at the 6.5 for a new rifle. Be safe, have a great day.
This year I switched from a 130gr SST to a 130 gr Accubond in my 270wsm and the results were dramatic. 130gr SST turned a quarter of a whitetail to jelly and I had to track as hundred to a few hundred yards often with little to no blood trail due to no exit. The 130gr Accubond anchored an 8 point buck with a double lung shot and the meat damage was much less than the SST. I'm a believer in the bonded bullets if you've got the velocity to make them perform.
Thank you very much for doing this video. I reload 6.5 Creedmoor for the main purpose of shooting deer. Most of my shots are 100 yards or less so I am in fact looking for a bullet to expand quite quickly. I picked up some eld-x, SST, Berger Hunter, and Sierra Game Changer. the game changer is different from the game King because it has a green tip and it is supposed to act more like the Hornady but fly better and have tighter group like Sierra often does. I would love to see a video of the new game changer green tipped bullet hitting ballistic gel and compared to a Berger hunting round at 80 or 100 yards
The Gameking is a hollow point that isn't intended to retain the weight of a polymer tip like the Hornady and Nosler examples you have here. Sierra is now making a bullet called the Game Changer which is a ballistic tip more like your other favorites. Great content, by the way.
Excellent video as usual! Consider 6.5 bullet gel tests using: Hornady 129 Interbond, Nosler 120 BT, Barnes 120 TTSX, Nosler 125 Partition and Nosler 130 Accubond
I've handloaded the Gamekings in .270 Win and 7 RM for years, they are deer killing machines! They do make a mess but the critter doesn't move far, if at all. I use the SP versions by the way.
Love the ballistic gel testing thank you. Been using Barnes X bullets for 35 years now. They expand just like the pictures and hold together. at least 80 animals taken with different shooters. 98% one shot kills nine of them elk out to 365 yards. Out of a 257 Ackley only 8 recovered bullets. All just inside the hide on the far side. been working with the 127 lrx in the 26 Nosler. Seating depth is a little longer then I prefer in the case. Would love to see some ballistic gel testing on the Barnes
Adding to my previous post. Finding bullet fragments in your hamburger is a little hard on the ivories. Shooting the 6.5 mm 127 lrx Barnes, shooting any overbore caliber there is always the possibility of bullet explosion with cheap bullets or bullets that shed everything at 200 yards. Not the case with a Barnes X. As recent December Arizona bull at 10 feet. Yes 10 feet. so much for all the range time at long distance. Another one shot Harvest with no meat damage. Keep up the good work, found your site today been watching different videos for 4 hours. Great stuff okay got to get to work.
Great tests, Love to see how the Federal terminal Ascents would compare.
I have used Game Kings for years in several calibers and fragmentation damage is present in most of them, so long as you have clean broadside shots on deer they make dramatic and often instant kills, that said you should avoid raking or head on shots with these bullets, basically treat them like an arrow and you will be thrilled with them, if you don't want to wait for clean behind the shoulder broadside shots avoid them and go with a tougher bullet design. I often refer to SGKs as a delayed fragmentation design as they never come apart on entry but almost always do in the vitals, the only exception that I have found to date is the 140gr 7mm which behaves in a much more conventional manner usually leaving 3/4" exit wounds and never the 5-9" wounds my 270 and .30 cals make. The one thing that has always shocked me though is despite all the obvious fragmentation damage I have never recovered a SGK as they have always exited.
Gel testing, awesome!
I use 140gr SSTs in my 6.5x55 and 140gr Game Kings in my 7mm-08 and I have never recovered either from an animal, they may be rapid expansion bullets but both hold together long enough to exit even on pigs in my experience though the SST does leave a larger exit wound leading me to believe it retains more energy upon exiting. SGKs are clearly not designed to be a high weight retention bullet but they clearly have a superb track record among hunters, I use them in several different calibers ranging from 22-250 to 30-06.
About shit myself when I heard "247 miles." Fucking hilarious.
12 trips at 400 yards a trip = 4800 yards. He walked about 2 1/2 miles. I didn't do the exact math, but plus or minus .3
Good stuff!
Love your videos. Keep up the great work. Have you thought about trying the rl-26 with the 143 eldx.
Keep all your new and improved. I will tak a 270 any day. 👍😀
This was a great format with a lot of information. The only other thing I'd like to see is the 120gr ttsx. Your grendel and creedmoor will both love it. If you like weight retention and dead deer that bullet is king.
I've shot deer with the 165gr gamekings and was severely disappointed in the fragments i found. Hence the switch to the ttsx in all calibers for me.
Those SST are accurate. I've got 0.5" -0.75" groups with them with 39gr h4350. I might have to try the 143 eldx. Nice video!
This video clearly shows the anti-6.5ers that this class/calibre is limited by two things, both shooter controlled--bullet style chosen to send down range and shot placement. '06s and magnums are not required but do have their moments to shine.
I've shot two Doe with 160gr 7MM Gameking HPBT. The damage it caused was extremely excessive. I blew out a softball size exit wound on the first deer. The second deer hit in the shoulder and double lung and heart shot blew out the lining of the lower abdomen and dumped all of the guts on the ground. This was not an angled or quartering shot on the 2nd deer, but a right-angle, 90 degree shot. It dropped them both but were excessive from the fragmentation. I prefer a bullet that holds together. Thanks for your presentation.
Love these videos. One of the best channels on youtube. I have to say that Im on the retain mass/penetration side as well. Not a fan of the exploding bullet type. I dont want to loose any meat. And shot placement is everything. Something you learn bow hunting.
love the format Johnny, its great to see how these bullets perform at distance. It might be nice to know what velocity they are traveling right before gel though. Could use your gun mounted chrony at muzzle and your other one downrange? would help us determine how accurate BC values are for these bullets as well. More data to collect, but since your already putting them into gel wouldn't hurt to set up second chrony.
Johnny getting in shape walking like that 😁
247 miles in day? You're a boss for sure!
I think this is an excellent video. Really good information on the various bullets and their performance. I'm in your same ballpark regarding a bullet that mushrooms out an expense its energy but retains its weight. Have you ever considered looking at the Remington core locked + 6.5?
The best hunting bullet is the one that gives you the confidence to make the shot to put down the animal and humanely as possible great test by the way
There are two schools of thought when it comes to hunting bullets. Those who believe penetration is king, and those who will learn the hard way.
Love this comment its exactly as my father would put it
Penetration is def king when hunting big, dangerous animals. Lil whitetails, not so much.
SST and AccuBond really smacked the gel at 200 and performed well
Great test Johnny, being that we have seen you shoot deer from a tree stand it would be interesting to see the performance at 200 yards, then another test at 25 yards. I'm sure the bullets would all be allot more explosive at that range/speed and may lead to you wanting to try more bonded or solid options. Keep up the great vids and bring on 224V and 06 :)
even though you don't like it so much a quick 2 minute shot of each bullet at the end of your bullet testing through the ballistics gell at 200yards and 25 yards would be a really good capping off to each and every bullet testing video imho. I would assume that the people who watch your videos are a mix of ballistic nerds, target shooters and hunters. The hunters would much appreciate the extra effort.
Great video. As a hunter, I’m most interested in seeing how the different bullet types and brands perform in a realistic situation. We don’t need slow motion - just to see how the bullet performs is great.
I started loading up the 150 gr Nosler ABLRs for my 7mm-08 a couple of years ago. I still need to work up some different loads to try and tighten up my groupings a little. Normally I’d load the regular ABs in 140gr but for some reason where I live they are like unicorn rare.
I’ve also been loading the 110gr ABs for my 257 Wby - man they group well. I have yet to kill anything with it but I’m hoping to change that statistic next week.
I have been a Nosler guy for a long time but I was curious at how nicely the two Hornady offerings performed. I’d be interested to see how the ELD-X, SST, and ABLR perform at say 100 yards. I know Hornady recently put out a 110gr ELD-X in .25 cal. Might have to try those out in my Wby.
If they don't have them local, order online.
Enjoyed your efforts. I too am in the retained weight camp. I recently used the 6.5 on a big horn sheep hunt using 140SST. I was able to recover the bullet and was disappointed with its retained weight. Complete lead separation from the jacket. The jacket weighed 47 grains and I was unable to locate the lead.
I don't think the interlock band is sufficient to hold the heavier lead from separating. Distance was 290 yards. I am switching to a bonded bullet for big game.
I recently had the 180 gr sst bullets blow up like varmint rounds on two different whitetail, one at 175 yards with a solid rest quartering 300wm flattening the deer, it got back up and ran never to be found. I initially blamed myself until the next day when I shot a second buck at 40 yards quartering , bullet entering on the last rib. We recovered that deer about 75 yds away. the bullet never exited , just a massive splash wound on the entrance side a foot long that completely gutted the animal before it expired. Hornady advertises exceptional penetration on the box! I'm surprised you got real good penetration with the 6.5 in the test. Your videos are the best! thanks.
I enjoyed this video and for the most part the format is fine. Only suggestion is swap the front and back pieces of gel after a few shots. I thought the Hornady SST was the better, they are quite a bit cheaper than the ELD’s.