Halloween H20 Vs Halloween (2018) | Face Off
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- As the old saying goes, you can’t keep a bad man down, and Michael Myers has been resuscitated, rebooted and resurrection so many times he probably deserves an honorary Oscar at this point. But the latest iteration of Myers, which came in 2018 courtesy of David Gordon Green and Jason Blum's Blumhouse, positions itself as the true follow-up to the original 1978 classic. But, as you know, we already had a true follow-up: 1998’s Halloween: H20. Both films star Jamie Lee Curtis as the ultimate final girl, Laurie Strode, both saw Myers coming after her and her offspring, and both had plenty of Halloween-night stabbings and slayings. But there are plenty of differences between the films too, and we’re going to take a good hard look at them in this epic face-off.
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Written by Eric Walkuski
Narrated by Shawn Knippelberg
Edited by Shawn Parke
Produced by Matthew Hacunda and John Fallon
Executive produced by Berge Garabedian.
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I would only give H2O Laurie's state in life is much more believable over the 2018 movie. The H2O is still traumatized but still has it together and that makes more sense considering the 2018 Laurie only encountered Michael once and that was 40 years ago! Come on!
And it's more consistent with her characterization in the 1978 film. The 2018 Laurie doesn't feel like an adult version of the bookish, responsible babysitter we met in the first film. But an English teacher and private school headmistress is a natural progression of the character.
Then again trauma is diffrent for everybody.
Halloween 2018 didn't have LL Cool J in it. Wonder how that erotic novel career went🤔
Halloween H20 all day. It's a simpler movie for sure but so much tighter. The whole "we need to hear Michael" is so weird and just makes the plot go around its ass to get Michael with Laurie.
I’m team Halloween H20 because of nostalgia, the cast, and the showdown between Michael and Laurie.
H20 all day baby! I remember seeing this in theaters and it was an event.
I prefer the characters and dialogue in h20 and it had a good chase scene but Michael, the kills and the score is better in 2018.
“Today is the day you are going to realize that I am seventeen years old and your overprotection and paranoia is inhibiting my growing process.”
It's very Dawson's Creek.
The characters and dialog are awful in H20...Its an episode of Dawson's Creek and not even just because it has Michelle Williams made worse because of it being written by the Scream writer.....
@@lutherheggs451 Not only that, but it feels more like a Scream ripoff than a Halloween movie... And a VERY poor one at that too! The movie has not aged well at all! And compared to James Jude Cortney, Chris Durand is a TERRIBLE Michael Myers!!!!
@@lutherheggs451 not saying it’s good but I definitely cringe less in it for whatever reason. 2018 has quite a few kills esque lines that make me cringe more than h20
H20 was the best showdown! When Kari(Laurie) screamed MICHAELLLLL it was chilling!! Gordon Greens was overly hyped
In Kills when Michael pulls the old guy through the window and slams his throat down on the broken glass; dude, brutal.
While both are flawed movies, H20 has a much more focused storyline, far better characterization & dialogue (that's not trying to also double as dialogue in a Judd Apatow movie), great isolated location with lots of atmosphere, and while the first act plays things way too stale & safe, the second half delivers in spades.
2018 always felt way too unfocused in every single way & while it has a few good set pieces, it's not enough to equal a cohesive whole and basically leads into a very rocky and thematically confused new trilogy that feels like it doesn't know what it wants to be.
Nah H20 is just trying to be an episode of Dawson's Creek, written by Kevin Williamson with such wonderful dialog as "I love food, I love to eat, I want to get big and fat one day. Would you still love me when i'm big as a house" OR LL Cool J constantly trying to read is erotic novel about supple breasts while his wife listens to it on the phone....Loved driving a car with an unknown amount of gas from IL to CA without ever having to stop and get gas, not that he had any money for gas and the woman in the rest stop not calling the police and reporting the car stolen by Michael Myers....
LMFAO better characterization and dialog LMFAO.....Im sorry that it was probably the "first" Halloween movie you saw in theaters but H20 is god awful.
Huh? Michael switched cars in that trip to CA…. Then again if I wanna ridicule dialogue…. I could use The Dad’s dick lines or the Little Boy’s Nasty Toe Nails….
@@alejandromolinac Don't forget Karen's legendary line of "The world isn't this dark place that you think it is. It's filled with sunshine... and happiness!"
Or who could forget the "witty" banter between the two cops about their lunches.
Also, surprise to you Luther, but H20 was not my first Halloween in the theater. I had seen a screening for the first two films back-to-back in the theater a few years before H20. But nice try in trying to do a "nostalgia glasses burn" all the same.
@@lutherheggs451 Exactly!!!!! I was just thinking the same thing. The dialogue was painfullly Kevin all the way. While I love Kevin's dialogue and style of writing in Scream and his other films, It just doesn't fit a Halloween movie. I loved H20 more at the time but I've started to like it less when it's put up against 2018.
You sound unfocused. People like you kill me with your dishonest critical analysis. So you like H20 better, that's fine but to call 2018 unfocused is ridiculous. It's not a perfect film but it is the best follow up to the original Halloween in style, tone, and direction than any of the other sequels. I'm sorry, but it is definitely better than the Scream clone that H20 is.
I actually cared about the characters in H20, and i thought everyone was unbearable in the 2018 one. Couldnt care less who got killed in the new ones, and the husband/dad dies and they seem like they dont even give a f*** about him after that.
As great as H 2018 is, it straights come from Jamie Lee Curtis and Michael myers. H2O had a better build up and an awesome climax.
**Jamie Lee**
I also think that H20 has a clearer idea of it's own themes and message than the Halloween 2018 does. H20 allows Laurie to be the victim of her own trauma, but genuinely confront her demons head on and overcome them in order to save the day. In Halloween 2018 they spend half the movie talking about how trauma poisoned Laurie's entire life and seeming to argue that her obsession with Michael was wrong, and ruined her life and the life of those she cared about...but then in the end she's right about absolutely everything and solves the problem with violence. At least in H20 they allow Laurie to have been traumatized, and they gave her people around her that care about her trauma rather than having every single character in the movie shun her right up until the final act of the movie, and they allowed her to overcome her trauma in a way that makes narrative sense and fits within the themes of the movie properly.
Both are good, I would go with H20 simply because it was a good follow-up and conclusion to the orginal two movies. Hard to go wrong with LL Cool J, guy is great in anything he's in. The only thing I didn't care for in H20 was Myers' mask and his gait. 2018 Halloween was decent and nothing wrong with the entry into the franchise, I just prefer H20 if I had to pick.
I disagree about the school not being an interesting location. It works because of its isolation. There are very few places to run and hide or seek immediate help, and therefore ratcheting up the tension and anxiety of the eventual chase.
I think the school was a MORE interesting location than just...Haddonfield...again.
yeah, that's the thing with modern life and isolation, (almost) everyone has a mobile phone and there are few places to be isolated and yet have enough bodies to body. Unless you go the summer camp (Jason etc) or work retreat/ foreign country ( Severance/hostel) route.
I could not agree more.
@@leewright1 well , some places get no service
@@xancypillosi9497 true. But again, film wise, it's hard to write that without it seeming like plot convenience in a slasher, which requires slasher fodder. Unless everything is set in the Arctic circle or deep jungle.
Add the brutality, look of Michael in 2018 to H20, plus the score especially and you have a great film.
I always felt there was a much better movie trapped inside H20 but it fell into the trap of Scream clones of that time.
2018 Halloween, scene wise is so well done, it's up there with the best in the franchise.
Andy you nailed it in a nutshell! It's the issue I've always had with H20, it was too heavyly influenced by Scream at the time. Don't forget Kevin Williamson who wrote scream was also involved with H20. Also, they even used portions of the Scream score in the film which really took away from the film. Take the Scream elements away and you'd have a better film. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the Scream franchise. I just think Halloween and Scream are two very different films with their own styles.
I enjoy H20 more.
And the kills in 2018 sucked aside from the woman who got stabbed in the throat.
If h20 had 2018s mask and carpenters score it would be ranked at the top of the Halloween sequels.
To me Halloween 2 (1981) will always be the definitive sequel.
Halloween (1978) is my definitive timeline.
Nice, glad you posted this on a Saturday.
It's apples and oranges. H20 was a great comeback (minus the sequel) and H18 was a great comeback also. I saw H4 in the theaters bitd and thought it was a great comeback. Did I mention comebacks ?
H20 was one of my favorite sequels but over the years I dislike it more
Me too for some reason. I use to like it a lot more but once I saw 2018 Halloween, I realized that H20 was too heavily influenced by Scream at the time. It just didn't feel like a true Halloween movie until maybe the final battle between Laurie and Michael.
Halloween Water was easily better than ANY of those latest films.
Facts!!
I still really highly rate Halloween H20. I think it's just bogged by down by ENOUGH not-so-great things.
It has some of the best suspenseful scenes that are particularly more creative than most other entries, like using the--food elevator thing (I can't remember the name) to both build suspense and then pack the most empathetically painful smash in the series where you can feel the pain yourself. Using the different rooms in the school to give them a bunch of different places to hide, and be, while still being cold and isolated.
I also think it's Michael Myers is the most underrated. I feel like if you only have Halloween 1 on your brain, than Chris Durand is actually one of the best Michael Myers, because while still an overall slow intimidating walker, he still moves more like a dude than a slow pacing robot that you see from the second movie forward. I just personally find that Michael Myers' movements have been really flanderized over the years. I'd even say the Stan Winston mask is one of the best in the series too--you just have to keep in mind that it's a sequel from the second movie where you saw Michael's eyes quite a bit as well. And blame some of that shoddy cinematography for not keeping Michael more in the dark at times.
Laurie Strode is also WAY more believable in H20. I freaking love Halloween 2018, so none of this is me saying it's bad at all, I think it's probably still better in more ways. But Laurie Strode changing everything about her life over one night is a lot less realistic, than just moving and changing her name.
The final fight is also better to me as well in H20, because it feels like it could actually happen, and it's full of scrambling and panicking, but Laurie still using her brains. Making it more intimidating that Laurie had been assuming it wouldn't happen again because the logical side of her brain tells her it's never going to happen again, while the PTSD filled part of her mind worries her that it is. But there's still that fire in her that's yelling at her to take down the Shape once and for all. It's filled with less "Is he or isn't he there?" moments, and more "I know he's there, I just have to find my moment, or strike him now" stuff, which makes for a more climatic 'final' showdown. Plus the showdown does entirely new things instead of swapping around Michael and Laurie's spot, making it a more original fight in the process too. Not that I even mildly dislike the 2018 fight.
What ultimately takes Halloween H20 down a peg is the lack of actual Michael Myers action throughout the movie, and instead using fake out jumpscares. Reusing the Scream score. Having the cinematography during the night scenes be way too bright instead contrasted to bring out a lot of darkness while moving your eye along where you can see like the others. And not filling out John's friends with personality and motives and goals to make them feel like more likable characters. Plus, the lack of any explanation as to were Michael been, and why he's perfectly fine and unseen after suffering from unbelievable injuries.
Halloween 2018 is still a better crafted movie in the end for sure, even if some of it is just really unrealistic. I am still unbelievable tense during the showdown fight, even when I've watched it over and over again at this point. The exaggeration of Laurie's PTSD as unrealistic as it can be, still brings so many now iconic moments for the franchise that it's easily forgivable.
It's only that I find Halloween H20's mix of brilliance and let-downs to be especially fascinating. And it's brilliance enough for me to really like it.
Not an once of suspense.
@@CaptainSpalding72 I respect your opinion
Dude you listed my biggest problem with Halloween H20 and that's the reuse of the Scream score. It just takes away from the movie. I just don't understand the thinking here. With all of the iconic tracks to the Halloween score, why couldn't they just pull music from other Halloween films instead of using a score that had become synonoymous to another series at that point. It's like pulling the score from Friday the 13th and using it in A Nightmare on Elm Street movie. It just doesn't work and it pulls me out of the movie and makes me focus on wow, they are using the Scream score. Other than that, it's a great film but I do prefer 2018 because it feels so much like the original Halloween with the iconic tracking scenes and the iconic score.
@@hshawn00 What's bizarre is I think the original score by John Ottman made modern orchestral versions of old scores, which seems pretty fitting for a 20th anniversary movie. But other parts of his score were too overly complex in a way that didn't suit the Halloween movies
But I feel like if they just kept in most of the original score and did something else with the small parts that didn't work, it'd be much better than just taking the Scream score. It already had the Scream writer doing the rewrites and making the premise. They didn't need to straight up jack the score while they were at it.
I think Chris Durand even played Ghostface while in costume in the second Scream, but I dunno if that was out yet by H20.
@@JuvenileNiall Yes, I saw a retrospective about the making of Halloween H20 and how Steve Miner felt some of John's music was too grandiose for a Halloween. I liked what he did with the theme. I agree that they should have just used pieces that worked. Inserting the Scream score hurts the movie and takes away from the movie. It felt like a scream movie with Michael inserted anytime the scream score played. I love Marco Beltrami's iconic score for Scream. It just doesn't fit Halloween.
I love H2O. I'd watch that over this Halloween anyday
I remember my buddies and I watching H20 at a birthday party when we we around 11 years old. So much fun and great memories
I sense a bias here......
As do I
Dude I wish that the it said on the poster of the 2018, this guy's not ready for the retirement home just yet or whatever you said that killed me bro
H20 all the Way! 🎃🔪
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H20 is the better film, in my opinion, even tho 2018 had more strengths. The way Laurie acted took me out of it
I understand where people are coming from about Laurie in 2018 being an unrealistic PTSD character but thats the point. Its supposed to a multiverse film where Laurie didn't learn to cope and let it consume her. Believe it or not, there are people like that in the world where they never learn to cope with their PTSD on a healthy level. Im glad we have two versions of Laurie, it fun to compare them and see how each of them were effected and how they chose to live with it. I think we're lucky to have a choose your own adventure Horror Franchise.
H20 is much more rooted love it I like hollween 18 but cutis is more unbelievable
But this is great great job I love Halloween
Do a nightmare on Elm Street vs the 2010 remake next I love these!!!
A no-brainer: H20 will always be more believable in terms of Laurie, with a tighter script and much more entertaining and thus rewatchable - which I still do and enjoy to this day while I haven't rewatched Halloween 2018.
At least Michael stalked his victims in H20, the 2018 version he just out right bludgeon them. Not scary just gory for the sake of it.
Happy Halloween......on November 12th? Uh....ok.
H20 all the way.
1. The Laurie character is better written, acted and just makes more sense
2. The relationship with her son, John, is better written than with the daughter in 2018 (and the chemistry between Jamie Lee Curtis/Josh Hartnett is better than Jamie Lee Curtis/Judy Greer) - the scene in the kitchen with John and also when he's caught outside of the school and she yells at him is just so well written/acted.
3. The aforementioned scene in the restaurant, along with her nightmare scene at the start delicately gives us insight into her issues without feeling the need to ram it down our throats like in 2018.
4. You still have the brother/sister relationship between Michael and Laurie so it makes sense that she'd still feel that Michael was going to try and come after her/her son. Whereas in the 2018 movie there is no motive and no real reason why Laurie has feared Michael for 40 years or brought up her child to fear him.
5. Having Janet Leigh in the H20 movie and the interactions between her and Jamie Lee is brilliant.
6. I prefer what they did with the Marion Chambers character in H20. I thought her kill scene was done pretty well and I really enjoy that opening.
7. That final showdown between Laurie and Michael and THAT ending is just 10/10. The ending we get in 2018 is 'fine' but the fact we are meant to believe she had built a trap for Michael under her kitchen counter was just ridiculous and completely took me out of the 'grounded' approach they were aiming for with these new movies.
Me too. I felt that Halloween 2018 was all style and no substance; it had really great production value, but had a very unnecessary convoluted story and a far fetched version of Laurie Strode. I feel like Halloween H20 is superior because of the simple plot and better version of Laurie Strode.
And hey! I'm sure I'm not alone in saying this, but for me, LL Cool J was one of the best parts and definitely the best character in Halloween h2o. I did not mind his roll. I didn't think it was intrusive, and the comedy relief was on point. And it's also very much of its time. He played a similar role to in deep Blue Sea to stellar results. Another great roll of his and another great character whom I did not mind. Let's face it, after the Busta rhymes Halloween resurrection snafu, everybody is praying for LOL Cool J to come back! He fit perfectly in the movie and I thoroughly enjoyed him. Wish he would come back and do some more comedic relief and some horror films actually. Just whenever you are thinking about downing his role in h2o, just think to yourself, Busta rhymes! Halloween resurrection! It would have been awesome for a promotional thing, probably something they would be more apt to do nowadays than back in 1998, to release one of Ronnie's erotic novels. I would buy that so quick! Think about it though, it would have been weird, but a very very interesting way to promote the film. Maybe for an anniversary release?
I didn't expect a lot from H20, especially after 5 & 6 which is probably why I was so pleasantly surprised by what we got. The 3rd Act of that film really paid off. They stuck the landing. I can not say the same for 2018 to which I expected more out of. From promises of Nick Castle returning as The Shape to John Carpenter doing the score, I went in expecting genius and left feeling cheated. And even though both films ended better than they begun, 2018 didn't have that moment where my blood started pumping and my flesh got all goose bumped.
Both films could have been a million times better, but if you edit H20 down to a half an hour, you'll have a very satisfying short film. Perhaps, the perfect 3rd Act to a two and a half hour fan Edit of The Laurie Strode Story.
Really, so when they have the scene where the camera is tracking Michael (In true Halloween fashion) and he is walking the neighborhood while the trick r treaters are going on oblivious and they start playing that iconic Halloween score, you didn't get goosebumps? Wow, your skin must be on too tight.
@@hshawn00 that whole part of 2018 was well shot and well acted, but it left me empty because it was more about the brutal kills than it was about the suspense.
I think H20 Laurie is way more believable than 2018 Laurie. She has the trauma from that one night and harbors it but has established a successful life for her and her son. I think 2018 is a bit far fetched.
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I love Halloween 2018 👏🏽 H2O is another favorite, but I prefer the newer version, way spookier.
I personally prefer H20
Sorry but the H20 Laurie is way more believable! John is way better than Karen and it makes way more sense for Laurie to want John to get out of danger than to stay and try to help her stop Michael! The characters in H20 are way more enjoyable and way better written than the ones in 2018! H20 has way better legacy than the mess of 2018! H20 wins!
H20 for me also I like the version of Laurie Storde in that movie better then the 2018 movie it was more realistic and believable but Michael Myers in 2018 way better then the Michael Myers in H20
I do have to say i prefer the 2018 storyline continuation better than any others, even if ends was odd
And also, the lack of blood or even on screen deaths did not bother me in h2o. The charm of the original Halloween is that it did not rely on Gore or even shock factor. There were off-screen deaths in that as well. And very very little blood. I think H2O actually had more blood than the original from 1978. Halloween films really don't need a lot of gore. That's more Friday 13th territory. Although the sequels definitely went the gory route. And definitely the new trilogy. Hell, even the original Texas chainsaw massacre barely had any blood in it.
No argument about the mask though. The H2O mask was terrible, except for right at the beginning of the film when they use the mask from part 6. That mask was a good one. I think we can all agree that the mask in the new trilogy is the best since the original. It always confused me that you could buy quality Michael Myers masks online that look like they were plucked right out of the 1978 film, but every time they put out a new film, they would come out with some weird looking mask that wasn't exactly right. So retailers can sell perfect Michael Myers masks and Hollywood can't seem to figure it out? Always baffled me. But they hit it out of the ballpark with the 2018 mask. And before that, the Rob zombie mask wasn't too bad either. And I know the masking part 4 is subpar, but I've always liked it for some reason. It's an extremely lifeless and expressionless mask and that's exactly what I want for Michael myers. I just always chalked it up to the fact that it was a knockoff mask and not the original. The store where he grabbed it from just happened to be carrying cheaper shape masks 10 years later. I think the thing that kills me about Halloween h2o, is the mask that they chose for the bulk of the action in the film is the absolute worst mask of them all, in that film anyway. And I'm not counting the CGI Mass because it was CGI and it was only one scene. Beyond that, you had the mask from six, the alien mask and the main Mass they use for most of the action where you could totally see his eyes the entire time and his hair was really fluffy. Should have stuck with the alien mask or just kept the damn mask from part 6. It was great and it looked great in the opening of the film. Rant over. Lol.
I think I’d agree that Halloween 2018 is better than H20 but I think if we were to decide that we’re ignoring the sequels to both the branching timelines I’d rather have it end with H20 than 2018
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I also think Halloween H2O should be looked at on its own merits outside of the Halloween franchise. Now, within the Halloween franchise, it is definitely one of the best, and my humble opinion. But, if you look at it just from a slasher movie sequel standpoint, it's very good! Compared to franchises like nightmare on elm Street or hellraiser or child's Play or Friday 13th, few of them have had such a stand up sequel such late on in the franchise. Well, I guess you could throw Wes craven's nightmare in there, but technically it isn't a sequel and that's not freddy. Halloween H2O is definitely dated and far beyond a perfect film, but it really is a stellar example of what an iconic slasher sequel should be. And it's a miracle that it turned out so well, because if you've seen the making of documentary, the production of this film was a gigantic cluster f***, even though there was some amazing talent involved. Really one of the most fascinating chapters behind the scenes.
A Nightmare of Elm Street 3 Dream Warriors is a top of the line sequel and is considered the best in the series next would be New Nightmare. Also, Friday the 13th had that great sequel moment with Jason Lives. Other series have had great sequels too.
@@hshawn00 absolutely. But I was more specifically talking about what is in my opinion and extremely high in quality sequel late on in the franchise. Friday 6 was definitely a welcome addition so far into the franchise. For sure. And of course as we both said Wes craven's New nightmare. I don't know, I probably should have you some other franchises for examples, but there are not as many that have run as long and as high up there in the sequel numbers as halloween, nightmare, and Friday the 13th.
I think the one thing that “dates” H20 it’s the jarring Williamson Dawson’s Creek Dialogue…. Also John’s friend is too dorky to be an over sexed fiend with a hot girlfriend …. They could had just gotten an attractive blonde guy to contrast Harnett …
No contest. H20 may have been a bit of 'Scream' hop-on but it was fairly solid and actually went for a decisive ending. Halloween 2018 had this fantastic intro into the main titles and then spent the rest of the narrative insulting the intelligence of its audience - utter garbage story telling.
Even the intro was silly for 2018, why would the state give the mask to a couple vloggers so they could taunt a serial killer?
Don't forget LL Cool J's wife who's voice we hear in most of the movie pretty pointless lol....Laurie was the only character who mattered in H20
Halloween 2 (1981) is the "better" true sequel. These other ones are "subpar".
Both was solid moves but 4&5 are hated on cause h6 Thorn cult got in the mix and hated 3-6 moves
LL Cool J trumps everyone from 2018 by himself.
Problem with H20 is that in this version Laurie Strode and Michael Meyers are brother and sister. You can see the film struggling with that fact. The 2018 sequel does not have this problem. Therefore I consider H20 a sequel to Halloween 2 (where we found out they were brother and sister) and the 2018 version a sequel to the original Halloween.
Which is why 2018 makes no sense.
@@danibeas9032 John Carpenter admitted that the brother sister angle was not the best part of the story when he wrote Halloween 2. Also according to Quentin Tarantino the movie works better if you don't know why Michael is chasing Laurie.
Michael vs Michael.
H20 alllll the way
No way. Halloween H20 is the better movie. I also liked the setting of Halloween H2O better than the 2018 Halloween movie.
Halloween 2018 is better because no Busta Rhymes and his hip hop Kung Fu in Kills and Ends compared to the H20 timeline with Resurrection.
I liked Halloween 2018, it was the only one of that trilogy I did like. However, the beginning scene of that one was so hilariously bad when the podcast guy went to see him and he’s just holding up the mask and shouting some nonsense trying to get a response or some shit. That shit was stupid.
I like H20 a lot but there are a lot of flaws that can’t be overlooked. Halloween 2018 is a better movie overall.
H20 has the better story, 2018 the better direction
Liked H20 more. Halloween 2018 has zero suspense for me. The scream score worked well with H20 which I don't really mind because of the chase scenes.
As far as Michael Myers and Laurie Strode being related or not, while I understand how it took away from what originally made Michael Myers scary, I never had a problem with it as a fan. Maybe it was because I was so young when I started watching these, I don't know. Even today, it really doesn't take away anything from it for me. I fully understand how the randomness of the idea of them not being related is far scarier than him having more of a motive, but it just never bothered me. Still doesn't. Related, not related, I don't care, as long as the stories are good and Michael is an unstoppable force of nature. Still wouldn't mind seeing some new Halloween films without Michael though, there's plenty of room for anthology ideas as well. Bring back silver shamrock! I really think that's what the fans want. That would blow people's minds if a silver shamrock Halloween movie was announced. At least people would know what it was going into it, instead of being bait and switched like we were with Halloween ends!
Gory kills is the complete opposite of what the original was about, so that should work against the 2018 version. People don’t want to admit it, but the Blumhouse movies are just a retread of the feel of the Rob Zombie movies. And that’s exactly why I don’t like them. H20 has a better story concept, better acting from Curtis, and more consistent with the original as a stalker film.
H20 wins 2 categories... was it even worth making the video?
H20 was much scarier upon first view
I dont see how 2018 Laurie takes the win over H20 Laurie in terms of character and trauma....
2018 Laurie was a random victim who experienced Michael Myers briefly before being rescued by Dr. Loomis.
H20 Laurie was actually Michael's other SISTER whom he was trying to kill and experienced an ENTIRE NIGHT of madness and murder before Michael was "killed" in the explosion at Haddonfield Memeorial
I strongly believe H20 Laurie takes the win here
no. just no XD point two goes to H20 in my opinion, as its very good and delicately played by Curtis if you have closer look AND it delivers us a more realistic version of a traumatized woman than the Sarah Connor like gunexpert and quirky old grandma she is in the new trilogy. Curtis does very well in both versions, no doubt. But I think youd rather meet a fate like the H20 Laurie than the newer one. Despite the fact that they exaggerated with several other charcters and plot decisions in that one which doesnt make it more or less truthfull and realistic than parts 4-6 lmao
**2018 version
Not even my boy mikey can beat the Boogie man...
Definitely disagree about Laurie's PTSD being more realistic in 2018 than H20.. In H20 she was a functioning member of society that was still traumatized by something horrific that happened when she was young and she has to overcome a legitimate fear of Michael in order to confront him. In 2018 she was a raving lunatic that was looking for a reason to become the Punisher and showed very little fear of Michael. H20 absolutely has the more realistic representation of PTSD. In fact, H20 was pretty much more realistic all around. Laurie's son being victimized by Michael and the community being helpless again his attack was a realistic reaction to how normal people would react to a somewhat supernatural serial killer in the presence... In 2018, Laurie was Batman and everyone around her became her Robins. While there are instances fear from everyone who isn't Bat-Laurie, they still showed little hesitation across all three films to get physical with Michael, when all common sense said that was an awful idea considering his capabilities. Halloween Ends being the worst case of this, as Michael not only loses every single fight he gets into pretty decisively, but gets physically overpowered and beaten down by a fearless Bat-Laurie and then gets his arm broken with no resistance whatsoever by her 120lb teenage granddaughter... 2018 may have been a better written plot, with a better looking Myers, but H20 was leaps and bounds the more realistic movie in comparison.
Definitely H20. 2018 was missing a big piece of what made the original so great: suspense. It just went for an onslaught of ridiculous kills and gore factor. Plus, anything that retcons 2 out of existence automatically loses.
I'm glad they retconned 2. It is easily an inferior film with the awful subplot of Michael and Laurie being related.
Me too. Halloween H20 is very late 90s with its attractive cast. I love Halloween H20.❤❤❤❤ Watching Halloween H20 numerous times caused me to develop a crush Josh Hartnett😂
H20 is massively underrated. Probably the 2nd best film of the whole franchise
Overrated more like, it's better than H5+6, but still poor. Very dated now too.
Noooo second best? Was entertaining
Yes, though Season of the Witch gives it a run for its money. Most of the other films in the series are just slasher flicks (with the understanding that the proper definition of "slasher flick" is "a film that tries to cash in on the success of Halloween but replaces its suspense and tension with blood and guts").
Yea it’s one of the best movies in the franchise 🤷♂️
The new ones are so dumb
Bunk! H20 Laurie is way better. 2018 Laurie’s depiction of trauma was extremely on the nose.
H18 is better in literally every way. The mask in H20 is a joke and its hard to take that movie seriously, the ending is ridiculous lol
18 feels like an extension of the original film in so many ways. H20 feels like scream with a Michael mask. A terrible one(s) at that
Exactly Dale!!!!! As with any period in movies, films are heavily influenced by the most popular movie in the genre at the time and Scream was reigning king during this time. They even used the Scream score in H20 which really bothers me. Halloween has an iconic score, it didn't need to borrow from Scream.
Halloween H20 is a better conclusion to the Halloween franchise than Ends was and i like Laurie better in it than in 2018.
At least H20 makes sense. In 2018 she builds a trap and fills it with guns for no reason
edit: after I listened to this video I had to unsub
Did you just say we kind of like the “that’s sucky” guy… I hate that guy he is one of the dumbest characters in the Halloween franchise
That first one from this new trilogy was 'good' but the sequels drag it right down, they really, really sucked. So I don't rank them as part of the Halloween story at all. It's a shame as 2018 really was quite 'good'.
Some mix between H20 and 2018 would have been perfect but I prefer the Sibling/Family connection, that's just where the franchise went from the second film onwards, playing with it was just pointless by then.
Why even make this video
To give his shitty opinion
Location:
So H20 has a unique yet still isolated and creepy setting.
2018 is a rehash.
And you awarded the point to 2018?
Oooookaaay
Laurie:
H20 - Laurie 20 years after Halloween 1 & 2. Where Michael IS her brother. And killed over a dozen or so people. She's barely holding together.
2018 - Laurie 40 years later after a random killer killed her two best friends and a few others and has no connection to her whatsoever is an extreme nutjob hellbent on revenge and has never moved on from that night.
And you awarded the point to 2018 yet again.
Come on!
There are parts of 2018 that I thoroughly enjoyed. But both of those elements were handled better in H20.
My major issue with Halloween 2018, besides The unwanted scenes of forced comedy, don't even get me started on that cop and baguettes scene, was that I don't feel as if Laurie would have been THAT traumatized. Yes, she would definitely have some emotional baggage with her for the rest of her life, but she didn't even know who Michael Myers was and yes, he killed several people that she knew, but it was only three people and she honestly only faced off against Michael for what, 10-15 minutes? That span of her life must have been terrifying on that one night, but I seriously doubt it would have turned her into Sarah connor.
So three of your best friends get butchered and you're almost killed by the same killer several times in one night and it wouldn't traumatize you? Some of you folk that are having issues with how her trauma is dealt with in this film clearly don't understand how trauma displays in various people. While there is no problem with how Laurie is potrayed in H20, the 2018 film is also an accurate representation of trauma. Some people handle things differently. While some people would have manage to pull themselves together and go on to a semi-functioning life like the H20 Laurie did, others could have very well allowed their trauma to paralize them and completely disrupt their life the way 2018 Laurie did. I watched my mom who I love very much die of cancer but I've been able to move on with my life. While it's been hard, I've mantained a functional life. My best friend's wife watched her mom die of cancer and it completely altered her life. She started going into the park late at night saying she wanted someone to kill her so she could be with her mother. She then cheated on my friend with a man she said reminded her of her dad and completely abadoned their kids. She clearly didn't have the skills to cope. That's the thing about trauma, it shows up diffrently in everyone. I don't know why people think just because something is true for one person, it should be the norm for everyone. You also completely minimize the trauma of the death of 3 people as if it's no big deal. I'm really sick to death of this stupid argument.
Add to it, she spends all of this money turning her house into a mini fort knox with all of these home alone traps, burns it to the ground and isn't thrown in jail for arson.
@@hshawn00 they're not trivializing the death of three friends.
They're comparing the level of trauma of the two narratives:
'78, HII, H20 vs '78 & '18
Laurie suffers much less in the '18 reboot timeline.
@@orinanime Whatever, I know exactly what they are comparing. I still say people handle trauma differently. I have a background in psychology so I know what I am talking about. Most people hear one complaint and they jump on the bandwagon. It seems to be in vogue to criticize Laurie's characterization in the 2018 film so people keep harping on that without having an ounce of understanding of how people handle trauma. Also, you all keep acting like one movie of suffering would have made a world of difference. Laurie didn't encounter Michael again until the last 30 minutes of Halloween 2 in which he chased her, killed a nurse (a total stranger) in front of her, and was finally killed by Dr. Loomis. Somehow, if she'd endured that 30 more minutes of suffering, it would have made a difference and justified her actions. My Aunt had someone break in on her and she was never able to sleep at night again. She'd sit up all night with the lights on until dawn. People are so ridiculous today until is tragic. No two people handle trauma the same. Also, everyone's mind is not at the same level. Some people have a more fragile mental state so what would be a minor trauma to one person would be mentally catastrophic to a person with a fragile mind.
@@hshawn00 you can assume whatever you want about my understanding of trauma.
And literally nobody is arguing that different people don't handle different traumas differently.
Nobody.
You're arguing about something nobody has brought up.
That's literally not the issue we're addressing.
But you stay angry because you keep seemingly intentionally choosing to miss the point.
Have a nice life.
Am I the only one who didn't like Will (Adam Arkin's character in H20)? He came off a little smarmy, self-serving and arrogant to me.
Easy contest, H20 was an overpraised P.O.S. I never cared for that film.
HALLOWEEN II 1981 is the end with the worthy H3. the rest can fuck off, despite KILLS having some cool moments.
Truth
2018 was okay, but it's definitely not the best Halloween movie I've seen and most of the characters are annoying af and Halloween Ends was even worse. Halloween 4 and 6 are honestly my favorites and H20 was pretty good too even though I didn't like Michael's mask. However, none of the films will ever be as bad as Resurrection...oof.
Disappointed by H20, when we saw it in the theaters. It felt too much like a Halloween special of a typical 90:s teen soap. Boring characters, and lacking any grit. Didn't help that Myers mask looked stupid, and that they had different looking ones, including a CGI mask. And the recycled Scream soundtrack was VERY distracting.
Halloween 2018 is, too me, far superior.
I think I do Halloween 2018 because I like Michael Myers Mask
I like h2o more.
Agree 2018 version is so much better. From memory H20 deserves no more a title than a cheesy very average horror. 2018 version is a decent solid film. I was impressed with it.
Wow... did you watch a different Halloween 2018? It is a dire film in comparison to the Superior H20, which is easily the best Halloween sequal.
You also left out that Halloween 2018 didn't see Michael as a good enough threat on his own so they introduced a second murderous antagonist. Part three and Four are far better sequels than 2018.
That was more of Halloween ends. Michael was definitely center stage in Halloween Kills and his assistant wouldn’t be needed at all.
The second antagonist wasn't introduced until two films later....dID YoU wAtCh a DiFfErEnT HaLlOWeEn 2018...😂
@@phil7144 Exactly, he's complaining about a movie but don't have the sense to distinguish the 2018 plot from its sequels.
@@phil7144I'm guessing you watched a version that didn't have the overarching antagonist Dr. Ranbir Sartain?
@@hshawn00 Your mocking me and yet you completely forgot about Dr. Ranbir Sartain the secondary antagonist who is the overarching villain of the film.
h20 >> halloween 2018
Halloween 2 (1981) > the rest of the new sequels lol
I vastly favor H20 in this comparison. The 2018 film went to the trouble of erasing all the other sequels just to be as outlandish and over the top as they were. H20 actually bothered to be tense and suspenseful, and despite being from the director of two Friday the 13th films, it feels less like a film that has wandered in from that series than Green's first two Halloweens did. (Granted, H2018 is about ten times better than Halloween Kills, which is one of the worst films in the series precisely because it's nothing more than a Friday the 13th film with a holiday theme. If you're watching a Halloween film to see Michael Myers kill people, you've missed the point.)
H20 also erased the previous sequels . What you mean to say is they went through the trouble of erasing Halloween 2
fully agree.
I'm not sure I'll ever truly enjoy H20. It's not that it's totally awful as it does have some truly great moments but I find it vastly overrated. I don't know if it's because of the scream/Dawson's Creek era of the 90s that ruins it for me but of all the movies in the series, I find this one is the most out of place. Like it's the one thing that doesn't go with the others. It's not the storyline, it's the execution, style, direction, etc. For me, it's the 2018 timeline all the way. It's the only one that matters to me.
2018 hands down! Better storyline, better Michael and wayyyyy better kills.
While i do have a certain sweetspot for the 90s camp and "Scream-ishness" of the 1998-Film imo David Gordon Green captured the raw essence of the original far better. And even though H20 does have its moments and is the more "light hearted" of the Anniversary-Halloweens - ultimately H40 does a far better job of honoring the Original and celebrating its Impact on Horror. So my vote goes to H40 - but i still like H20 a lot and watch it like the others.
shouldnt this be H20 vrs ends because they were both "finales" ????
2018 is jus bad movie the story has no sense ... I prefer h20 the characters, an the ending es better.... any way for me there is only one good halloween 1978...
To many problems with H20. Has a few ok scenes but that's about it. Even the shape is terrible, the mask, the eyes all lit up and wide open, he doesn't walk or move or even sit up properly. The score is terrible , it really does feel like a Dawson's creek set vibe. As far as the ending I never liked it , I always thought it was ridiculous , also I find H20 boring , 2018 isn't the greatest either but it's a much better Halloween movie .