What Went Wrong? 200 Series Fail
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- čas přidán 22. 11. 2022
- The first in our new series of What Went Wrong videos, Rocket Rod and James pull apart an AB60 Transmission from a 200 Series Landcruiser.
What went wrong and why did this transmission fail? What transmission should the guys tear down next? Put it in the comments below...
While you are here check out our Extreme AB60 Rebuild:
automatictransmission.com.au/... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Great video Rod, as someone who has always, even as a kid, liked to take things apart to find out how they work and fix problems that occur, really enjoyed watching this. Looking forward to the ongoing series.
Glad you liked it, many more to come
👍 awesome episode love seeing what's inside the gearboxes
Gearbox..?
Transmission is an amazing thing.. it's mind blowing;))))
A very complex piece of equipment.
My OCD would kick in if you touched my tear downs!! Good thing I’m old and retired!
Being a mine vehicle, I would have asked the client if they speed limited the vehicle by locking out access to the available gear set. For example, one of the mines I was on locked the underground 79 Series to low range and and had a physical H pattern gate plate that only allowed Reverse, 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Similiarly with auto, gear selection was controlled electroniclly.
Knowledge is power.
Power is knowledge in putting that thing together.
Hopfully we can work out how to show a lot more with this series.
Thanks Rod and the guys, this was bloody brilliant to watch. Great to see what goes inside the clutch. Great work...
So glad the you tube wormhole bought me here, don't own a single automatic vehicle, an never wish to, but you two put on a great show, good experience, entertaining and educational at the same time.
To be entertained while learning is one of lifes greatest pleasures.
Great episode as usual!
As a backyard ametur self taught 'Have a go' handy man I've disassembled a few failed transmissions and seen what failed but it's great to get the educated information and correct naming and descrpition.
The last unit had stripped splines so can only assume it was driver error and using the throttle pedal as an on/off switch😲
By the way I always use low range at every oportunity even when only reversing a small trailer because I get sooo much better controland I've always feared this result
Thanks for sharing 😃
Very informative for those who watch. I could pull apart easily, but that’s about that. The rest is mind bending. Our engineers and tradesperson are tops.
Excellent idea for a series. I like seeing the guts of transmissions, it reminds me why I send them to guys like you and mini chopper.
Glad you enjoy it!
I love "what went wrong" videos, please keep them coming. These are great!
A lot more to come!
What a great series. Took me straight back to my dad's auto workshops. Loved how you went through and explained how to spot the problems and what causes them, especially the driving tips. Would love to see some on common owner errors that destroy autos. I've got a 6sp Ranger but honestly, they're all interesting. Great stuff. Thanks. Cheers PP
love this guys best episode yet, looking forward to a lot more what went wrong.
Lots more coming!
Hi, Great Video Cheers, i would like to see a 6L80e worked on i have hard 1st to 2nd & 2nd to 3rd changers also slow changing down in mine I'm thinking maybe pressure switch or solenoid.
Keep up the great work see you soon.
Good on you fellas, a birds eye view of the mighty 200 series transmission. I've done a few A750's with similar symptoms. Your videos are helpful, I use them for demonstration purposes with my student's, Keep them coming.
Cheers.
Very informative content, mine vehicles work hard in the worst conditions heat ,dust not a lot speed & air flow for cooling and sometimes loaded to the hilt lucky the box didn't have more damage, would worth fitting one of your larger oil Coolers.
Right on
Great video guys. Many years ago I started my apprenticeship at KB auto, but I didn't stay long enough to learn the diagnostic. Thanks for the insight!
There's a American guy who does Auto pull downs in a bench like this ,and he uses a squeegee,like your shower scraper ,to move the oil to the drain on the bench 🙂
Thanks for the video guys, no wonder auto rebuilds cost so muck I never understood how complex they are.
👍
Love this video boy's...
I've got a LC200 and seeing this was just amazing.
Thank you and please make more of them 🍻🤙🍻🍻
thanks for posting, extremely interesting, keen to see more like this.
Glad you liked it and there will be a lot more to come like this.
Interesting EP, I think you should mention in the beginning of what is that problem the owner is having with the gearbox.
Hi,
I have a 200 series Land Cruiser and was interested to see what can go wrong if the vehicle is driven incorrectly. I suspect the vehicle wasn't owned by the driver and therefore didn't have much responsibility towards it. Hopefully that driver will learn from their mistakes. I have a torque lock up controller and when in low range all gears 1-4 lock up after 1500 RPM. Also I monitor temperatures via the OBD port. A few months a go we flushed the transmission, replaced the strainer, checked for sediments, flushed the cooler and changed the ATF for a synthetic product. Although all this was expensive I regarded it as cheap insurance for a valuable transmission which has a huge reputation for reliability. Thanks for video. I will watch it again this time with sound.
You guys rock! I'm just about to buy a caravan & tow it for 6 months with my 200. I've got a lockup installed to help with heat control but it's really interesting to see inside that box. You guy clearly know your stuff..
Very informative, a lot going on inside that unit. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Imagine what a 8sp looks like.
Great video, definitely look forward to a Ranger 6R80 or 10R80 tear down
James knows his stuff, keeps looking, don't mess my shit up Rod!
100%
Man, I must be old because I’ve never seen a wiring harness inside a transmission😂 I think the last one I was in was a V8 traumatic back in the 80’s. That transmission was like a bloody Tardis, parts just kept coming out of it. Great video and I’ll definitely sub. Cheers Stuart.
Excellent episode and very informative, thanks for sharing your knowledge 😎👍
Glad you enjoyed it
this was awesome to watch! keep them coming
Thanks Wallace!
Excellent vid, great explanations
Glad you liked it!
Gday, well I didn’t realise there was some many components in an automatic transmission, very informative and easy to follow, definitely looking forward to more episodes like this and good to see another one of the team joining the camera action, cheers
Glad you enjoyed it
I am very interested in your experiences with the ZF 8HP in the single range Amaroks. How well have they performed without having a low range?
yeah do a ZF-8HP next time! I have got one which has a low RPM shudder and am trying to figure out what's up with it.
Great breakdown and possible explanations of the cause
Glad you enjoyed it
Outstanding video guys, very clear voices and vision. Very detailed explanation and examples of things that can go wrong and why. Looking forward to the next one. Thank You.
Very informative! I'm looking forward to future episodes 👍
Great and informative episode guys.
It makes me think of the damage I might of done, towing my patrol form Pakenham to Gembrook on a 45 degree day in my BA fairmont. I took my time, I kept it in 1st and 2nd. The trans was not happy with me with its beeping, I stopped a lot to give it time to cool with engine running.
I would love to drop the car off to you for a trans rebuild it dose clunks in reverse (had this fixed in the past), be a good video for you as well.
Cheers Guys
Fantastic stuff, excellent video.
Brings back memories/nightmares doing rebuilds
Well done personally I would love see more content like that including rebuild and testing. Keep up with the great content
Thanks, will do!
Top vid idea Rod. I would like to see an 80 series trans done. Look forward to the next vid.
Thanks I like your work
Thanks Colin!
I would like to see the A340 series Auto trans teardown & here of the problems they have, i a 1992 Toyota 4Runner Limited which has the 3VZE engine with the A343H Trans behind it, the trans did have a rebuild some time ago & recently the O/D Off Dash light has started blinking & when it is blinking it wont go back to first gear unless i manually select first then take off then select second/third.
Great video guys.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video Fellas, I really appreciate the effort involved in putting it together. as a 200 owner thats pretty dissapointed with the lockup programming on these I was very interested to see what the cause was! not that you get any lockup in first on these units!
Good video please show us how it goes together
Great video rocket !! Love to see the ins and outs of these boxes. Any chance you can do an A750F Toyota Prado 5 speed next?
Would be interested in seeing the AC60 tear down and internals. Late model hiace variety.
Good video, thanks 👍
Hey Rod great video looking forward to seeing more of this content👍. I have a Landrover Discovery with a zf 8 speed, do you see many problems with this gearbox? I feel it slip in first gear but I'm told it's the torque vectoring system! But it sometimes clunks into first gear! Have you seen this before?
I just loved this video. It was fascinating to see the transmission pulled down. Am I correct in understanding that the nomad valve body assists I reducing the risk of the burnt clutches by increasing line pressure to the clutches and torque converter to reduce slip and hence heat build up?
Thanks gentlemen, I shall take more care of my 200 now that I seen this, might pay to get a scan gauge as well.
i would love to see a ford focus automatic tear down
Given a thousand years I would never get that back together and working right!!!
Just do what you do with rubix cube, just move the stickers to the right area.
Me either!
Just had mine rebuilt last week, wish you guys were in Sydney
Awesome video.
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing. I learnt a lot.. maybe that's why I prefer manual gearboxes...
Another fantastic video fellas
Glad you enjoyed it Tyler, hopefully we do some blow up's in the future as well.
Can't believe you guys touch that fluid with your bare hands 😜
Experts. Cheers.
Thanks Ron. Interesting content and looking forward to more. As a 200 owner, thanks for reminding us to use low range more, especially in sand. Question- looking at the oil, and as I tow quite frequently, when would you recommend changing the oil? Cheers
Once every 40,000K's or 2 years Grant.
Can you cover the trans in a Prado 150. I understand the same transmission is used in Hilux, Fortuner, Triton, DMax and Mux. So there will be plenty of viewers interested.
Cheers
Yes, we will definately be doing both the 5 and 6 speed transmissions soon.
They didn't install the third pedal, that's what went wrong. (Great video guys)
It would be very interesting if you did the same for an Allison 1000.
Keep up the great work
Blows my mind to think of all those parts in an auto and yet u boys play around with it luje it's Lego lol great video boys God bless u keep safe . Tasmania.
Excellent and informative series , well done lads.
Glad you enjoyed it Eavan
I find auto transmissions to be the most complex of mechanical components to understand in terms of operation. I can work on most things mechanical but I wouldn’t touch an auto trans.
Pretty interesting to watch
Hi Rocket Thanks for an awesome video. Can you do a A343F trans rebuild(100 series LC)? My year 2000; 100 series transmission (2uzfe motor) blew just because a needle roller bearing inside the planetary gear failed. It is a common issue on the year 2000.
thank you for detail video
Glad it was helpful Robert.
Some car / 4wd manufacturers don’t even recommend changing the transmission oil at regular intervals in the service manual.
I was told my Hilux was sealed for life.
Took no notice of that advice.
The transmission gets a flush and full service every 50 000 kms.
If I towed and drove in sand a lot I would be getting it done around every 30 to 40 thousand.
Sealed for life just means there is no Dipstick! Transmission still needs to be services every 40,000Kms, they are just filled and checked from underneath
Great idea for video series explaining the dark arts of automatic transmission. Is commodores six litre V8 and six speed auto with a Toyota transfer case used in many engine swap’s a good pairing, sounds good on paper but is the auto up to it.
Absolute gold!
Thnks Robert!
Exciting to see! Why has my bright red ATF oil lost its color the last time I checked and has now become transparent like water after 3 years? feels good between the fingers and doesn't smell burnt, usually pulls carefully cart in other times calm state traffic
Interesting. I would love to see a tear down of a ZFHP8
Great video thank you. Messy work bench. A little $10 squeegee to send the oil in front of you over to your left. Regards
I think I’ll stick to my old school A440F , I’m pretty sure it’s not as involved as that lol 😂 and if you ever do tear one down I’d love to see it !
great channel
Thanks Max!
Awesome vid thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
I have a 2020 model hilux and tow a trailer almost daily my trans temp can get up to 95 degrees c in some hilly country. Is this temp getting two high and causing damage. When not towing the temp sits on 87 degrees c cruising on the highway. Not sure if I should install a trans cooler or weather these temps are normal.
Lov the video 😊
2016 Land Rover defender 110
Love it already, only 2 mins into it.
Awesome - love this stuff- Requesting please : Aisin AWR6B45 II (especially interested in seeing evidence of any stresses suffered by this box from power & torque increases from dyno-tuned engines) - Tkx, please do many more!!
We will do at som piont, we call them the AC60 transmission and they are found in a lot of differnt vehicals, Dmax, MUX, 2.8L Prado 150, 2.8L Hilux, MR Triton and the list goes on.
@@WholesaleAutomatics Up-vote AC60 teardown and analysys 👍 Can it really handle 20-30% Pwr/HP increases? Are the AC60 clutches up to "mo-powah? What will wear out first? - Also, how about an mini ep. of "how" your HD Nomad valvebody achieves the benefits? - looking fwd to more please - Tkx.
That was a great video. Makes me think about things I do in my 200.
Out of interest, how often you suggest a trans flush on a 200 that is used mostly for 4x4 work?
Transmissions should be serviced every 40,000Kms
@@WholesaleAutomatics perfect! Thanks for your insight. Love the videos
As I was watching how those clutches were coming out my thoughts were along the lines of, could this have been caused by just straight up overloading the gear associated with those clutches by way of locked converter and too much weight? It was mentioned at the start that this trans came from a mine vehicle, repeatedly dragging a heavy trailer up an open pit decline maybe?
What went wrong. The badge!!!!!
Great watch. Old turbo nuts rocket needed to slow it down a bit and squeegee that oil puddle off the bench from the start. This shit went everywhere!
Could we please do a episode on the V5A51 2001-2006 Pajero Gen 3
Do a A750f next please
Hey Rod, what were the symptoms and which clutch pack does what ? Cheers Murray
would be good to see a fix for vibrations and shuddering in overdrive gear, at 100km+ my 200 LC has a vibration when cruising, i push it down to 4th gear and the vibration goes away. Had the transmission serviced and some additive applied but appears to still be happening occasionally. LC200 has done a little over 300000 km
We really don't see this. If fact I don't think I have seen this before. You might have a problem rather than a factory built in problem. You might want to get this checked out by both a mechanic and separately a transmission specialist.
Can't wait to see some GU re4 and re5 modified for ZD30 anyone tried the re5 behind a td42
That we will be doing for sure Christopher
loved it
Whats a common failure point on a750f 5speed behind a 1GR-Fe V6
G'day guys. A lot of mine 4wds used to have a stopper to prevent their being shjfted to high range. I don't know, maybe they don't do it anymore.
Also would neutral drops cause this? Power braking? I know the computer tries to prevent this but if there’s a will there’s a way.
No, not really, more likely over heating.
love this stuff, would have loved to see a "what went wrong" on my Touareg tranny. happened not long after a tranny repair and fluid change?
that'S an interesting transmission video. I feel like you guys are in a studio
While we do have a small studio upstairs this is in fact the main strip down bench in the workshop where all the transmissions are disassembled.
That was a great teardown.. would be great to see an A750F torn down.
Will absolutely be on the list of tear downs!
Hi, I use my lx570 in a way that I use the trans for engine braking as I tow a 7500 lb trailer. And without. Is this trans good for using like that? Is there a gear that is weak? Is it good to do at all? It sure looks beefy. I rarely go down to first but often go to 4 3 and then 2 as I slow. I rarely downshift above 2500-3000. Should I blip the gas a bit on a heavy higher rpm downshift? I commonly go down to 3 and two around 2000-2500 slowing down. Awesome to run across your channel and more so that you did my trans.
These are a great auto but I would recommend a heavy duty Nomad Valve Body that will make the world of difference in reliability as well as the Lock-Up kit and oil cooler. Here is the the web link:
automatictransmission.com.au/select-your-vehicle/lexus/lx/LX570-5-7L-V8-with-6-Speed-Auto/?make=Lexus&model=LX&series=LX570%205.7L%20V8%20Petrol%20with%206%20Speed%20Auto
Is there any chance of doing a MR triton pull down?