BEST FIX for the Civic Type R Gear Grind...
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Let's go over 3 ways to fix the Civic Type R 2nd gear grind and gear lockouts. EDIT: Add 2.3 Quarts of fluid not just 2
Transmission Fluid
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Power Bleeder
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Low Profile Jack
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Shifter Upgrade Video
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FULL MOD LIST
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Shifter Mods
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Interior & Exterior
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00:00 My Experience w/ 2nd Gear Grind
03:58 Transmission Fluid Change
08:40 Adjusting CMC Plunger
10:05 Clutch Delay Valve Delete
23:04 Bleeding the Clutch Line
25:59 Adjusting Clutch Pedal Play
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*Correction* Add 2.3 quarts of fluid and not just 2 quarts.
*Update* These fixes worked great for about 6 months, then the grind started slowly coming back. So I replaced the Rear Motor Mount in Oct 2021 with the Hasport 62A. The grind immediately went away and hasn't returned and it's now April 2023. The Mount is Here: bit.ly/3zFiUna
Did you buy the street mount? Or race?
@@hustletussle4722 The 62A is the street mount.
Always love seeing your FK8 videos. I had a problem with the second gear grind and I put on the 27WON rear motor mount and it significantly made those shifts better but I do occasionally still get grinds. I will be following your advice, thanks brother!
Dude, you're the BEST!! You do such a service for all of us and I greatly appreciate it!! Thank you bro, keep up the great work and God Bless!!!
Thank you for the great information. I will take this info back to the dealership I work at. 👍
Thank you for this. I hated googling this problem on my 2018 and not finding anything useful. Will be doing this sometime. Was gonna give up my Type R, but now I think I'm going to keep it because of you. Thanks again!!!
Just did the plunger and pedal adjustment and complete night and day THANK YOU!!!!
Thanks for the super thorough video! I can attest that all of the mods you did are a great idea, I have done them all as well.
Awesome, thank you man!
This works flawless with just adjusting the two nuts on my accord way better shifting brings the clutch up higher tho but small compromise for this smoothness and ur the only one who really described the procedure well thanks again man
That Thumbnail pic is AMAZING! Great shot. Love the content.
Thank ya man!
Hey! I was looking for solutions after countless grinds in my 19 R after putting about 10k miles past 5 months with dealer was just trying to pull “we cant do anything about your grinds” and i think cmc adjustment really helped improving the feel of the car! Car used to be very clunky and almost felt like “stalling” first couple gears which made me over think but it literally gotten rid of all the problems I have (for now). I don’t think I will ever do delay valve delete but this is gold. Thank you so much for such valuable information! Enjoy your car!!
Dude! Thank your for this vid! You really help address and show me what I can do to help my grind issue. Love your channel and you have helped me so much with my fk8 over the last few months.
That's awesome man! Im glad you're enjoying your FK8 man
Yeah totally helps me with the direction I wanna go as well
Great resource for many with same headaches.
I love that you put every link possible in the description. I respect that you put amazon links for parts I did not know were on ebay and amazon, I wouldve went and spent the extra money from a tuner website like a dummy.
And also, what exact intercooler did you buy? Ebay link just leads to all of the intercoolers and I wouldnt wanna buy the wrong one
Very good video. Extremely informative. Thank you.
I remember having transmission grind on my FG2 SI. I had the clutch changed, as well as the fluid. Apparently, there was a recall on the trans fluid Honda used on the SI at the time. They recommended using the previous year RSX Type S trans fluid if I remember correctly. Also, those wrenches are flare nut wrenches. I’ve used those for fuel fittings ☺️
Thank you for this video, I want to try adjusting the clutch pedal 👍😎
Great video my man!
Gonna do what ya said and get that valve out also getting the shifter mods you mentioned from another video got the bushings on the way already. And also helped me decide on side markers. That’s for the great vids and detailed explanations
Thanks for making this video homie, im out in az too, getting ready for that heat.
Yeah it gets super hot here and I work at a GM dealer and the shop is outside gets stupid hot here
I did the pedal adjust when I first bought my 2019 and I only get grinds when I don't fully depress the pedal. I'm currently at about 20k and things seem to be golden. Thanks for the video and I might do the CDV just to have the immediate clutch engagement.
I got rid of my 2nd gear grind with stiffer rear motor mount.
I'm getting that next
@@TORQToolbox any reccomendations?
Did you do any fluid swap or did any cdv delete? Or just a stiff rear motor mount?
Any links for the motor mount
@@gripfk8 Just the motor mount for me.
I’ve been battling 2nd gear grind in my 2019 for years. I changed the fluid 2x with oem before going amsoil which helped. Just recently this weekend noticed a lot of slack and adjusted my Slave cylinder rod. I haven’t had an issue yet after getting onto it once or twice. I also have a billet rear motor mount. If I have another issue, I will also adjust my pedal. Mine occurred most with a passenger and during the summer, so I’m still looking out for it. So far, it’s much improved.
Get proper mounts, stick with amsoil, and get an upgraded MC.. Ive been power shifting and launching my 500whp Type S without grinds for years.
Not sure if anyone knows, but to also perform the fluid level check, there is another bolt that is 12mm in size. As you fill the 2-3 quarts of fluid there should be the level port that begins to drip out slowly. Doing this ensure that there is optimum amount of transmission fluid and that its not under shorted.
Just bought a new 21 type r. Will check the cmc. Thanks
Very informative, thanks
the only times I ever got grinds was when I pushed the car hard from a launch. I installed the mid motor mount and they were gone. After I installed a short shifter from hybrid racing I got a grind 3 times on the same day just normal driving. I removed the shifter and didn’t get any but I now feel second gear being a little rough. I was going to change my fluid next oil change but I’ll try the adjuster bolt first like you said. Thank you sir. I hope you start posting soon.
Thank you so much for this video !!
Thanks for this! I did the clutch adjustment and no longer have 1st gear lockout. Shifts really smooth now 🙏🏼
Good job men, the best video
Lol, I sometimes use gun oil for other things besides guns. I had done every modification to get rid of that 1-2 gear grind. Hybrid Racing drop in short shifter, AC Delco friction modified trans fluid, later Hybrid Racing shifter bushings, PRL braided stainless steel hydraulic clutch line. I also installed a modified cmc I bought from k20z3allmotor which didn’t fix the grind without doing my last mod. The last mod that seemed to fix it was removing the delay valve including adjusting the engagement point. I don’t even want to visually see how the synchros look after all these grinds since the first day of delivery of taking my Type R home from the dealer. Wish I did the delay valve removal first.
To help people find them easier. Those funky box wrenches are Flare Nut Wrenches. Also a 100% must for brake lines. And for the snap rings. Snap ring pliers. They have sets with different tip sizes for small snap rings.
hey buddy i have been following you for quite a while, i started following you for pew pew videos. i have a 20 FK8 and watching this video because i am having the same problem after a few track days. I am also a professional technician and on the power bleeder when you were bleeding the system., buy some dot 3 or 4 brake fluid and fill the power bleeder with the fluid and you don't have to watch the brake fluid level because it will refill as it drains the fluid. I have also found that when bleeding the brake system on our cars they prefer vacuum instead of pressure due to the ABS block. Great video and i would love to se some videos of you tracking the car! Keep up the great work man!
One thing I’ve noticed after also owning an 8th gen si is that most people think they have a solution for gear grinds. I’m not sure if each car is just different or if people get some placebo when the grind ‘goes away.’ I hope it works for you, and I’ll have to try some of this stuff if mine ever grinds.
I don’t own a Type R, but I do have a ‘19 Si with similar issues. I bought it with 47k miles and 2nd gear seems to have issues at random times....not usually showing up whether it’s hot or cold or indifferent or anything of the sort. I’ve seen where you can replace the shifter assembly bushings, which I have yet to try. With that though, I had realized my clutch pedal has A LOT of play in it before it actually engages and in watching your video, I’m nearly certain that adjusting the pedal will help a lot more than the bushings. Either way, I appreciate the video! (Hopefully you have more on here of the same sort of content)
Thanks for this video
Thank you for this video. This is information many of us owners have heard and read about in different places, but you put it all together well. Thank you again.
I had one dealer transmission fluid change 30k miles ago and it alleviated my 4th gear lockout. I still do get a second gear grind if I bang the 1-2 shift, so I have just learned to granny shift more or less and live with it. I have 74k miles now, and I will be doing a fluid change again shortly with GM Synchromesh friction modified, but I definitely also want do those pedal adjustments as well. Thank you again.
We’re golden pony boy lol 😂 great 👍🏻 vid man
GM Synchromesh fluid , I literally poured it in , backed car out and the difference was incredible in first .10 mile driving out from shop. At time the Midas I worked at was back that road and honestly it's the best pour in service I'll brag on. INCREDIBLE was the actual butter smooth shifts and this was for customers bone stock car. SHE loves the shift now. It is impressive
I find removing the clutch delay valve helps a lot with the gear grinding. Honda MTF seems to hold up longer than AcDelco Synchromesh Friction Modified. All in all, Amsoil Synchromesh MTF got rid of the gear crunches and did last longer than AcDelco SM FM for me.
I remember the frustration of this from my 2008 Civic Si. I ended up getting rid of it after major transmission issues after 160K miles. Seeing that the Type R still has these shifting issues, I wouldn't want that headache all over again. I really like the car but I may end up looking for something else to buy instead.
I removed the clutch delay valve on my 9th gen Si and it immediately solved the grind issues. Similar process to remove it. I've added it to the list of things I hate about Hondas like the rotor screws that just rust on.
Man ef those screws. Put a screw driver on it, hit it with a hammer a few good times and it should get loose no prob with a torque driver. Be sure to press real hard or you risk stripping the screw
ive been using amsoil M/T 75-90 and ive never had a random grind thank god
I always see your videos and I came across this product. Might help with your 0-60 time. Injen x-pedal pro. Supposed to give you a quicker reaction time.
Interesting ACdelco works well on CTR. First thing we do on 1LE is dump the Delco for RP or AMS.
2015-2021 wrx has a similar issue as well. its the combination of cable linkage shifter, soft rear mounts, and clutch delay valve. hate cable shifters lol. the sti however, has no issue, it has solid selector rods going straight into the transmission like a proper longitudinally mounted trans.
Man that snap ring you mentioned gave me issues on my 8th gen Si. Was doing a slave cylinder and I figured I'd buy an exedy one as I heard they make the OEM clutches for Honda and figured I'd give their slave cylinder a try. While I was in the car pumping the clutch I heard a loud POP and my outside guy yelled at me to stop. Turned out they didnt get that snap ring in from the factory and it shot off into oblivion coating my fender in brake fluid at the same time! Made the drive to my local honda dealer and but the bullet on a new OEM one. Haven't looked back since!
jeez dude, i swear youve had more grinds than anybody i know.
Clutch pedal adjustment fixed mine
I had the same issue in my 2008 8th Gen FN2 Type R, in my case it was a finished master cylinder but obviously that isn't the case in the 10th gen
Nice move with the glove and rubber band
I wish those Phillips head screws on the engine under cover, would be available in a Allen hex head
I have only gotten a grind 2 times in 4100 miles... Both times it was "my fault" , power shifting into 2nd at redline. I am going to switch Redline mt90 fluid when i do first oil change. Also got rear mount going in when i do that... But after seeing this video, I'll go ahead and also adjust that pedal and see. Thanks for the info.
Most of the Time the grinding into 2nd gear comes from shifting too early into 2nd before You fully have the foot down all the way on the clutch or lifting the clutch too early. It happened during the early stages when I first drove my Integra Type R DC5. After You practiced enough, it doesn't grind anymore for Me, only once in a long while.
Most of the time it is the human error more than the Mechanical error. Honda Type R's including the S2000 have had the Best Manual Shifting Gearboxes in the Market for Front Wheel Drives for a Long Time. You hardly hear about having such grinding problems about these cars in Japan and other Asian markets.
I have a 21 CRT and I had 5th gear grind like 2 so far when I’m stepping on it
“Fifty eight hundred miles, maybe 5 or 6 gear grinds, that’s not a lot” 😳
it’s a lot!
Consider his reasons for saying that
3 things i woud suggest, trans fluid, stiffer rear motor mount at least a 72A from hasport or any other equivalent , and delay valve delete on slave or both slave and clutch master cyclinder.
Adjusting the CMC made such a difference in my car!
Aside from the grind, my car always behaved weirdly, letting off the clutch- almost as if it had an anvil for a flywheel haha.
Seriously, it was always kind of lurching, when shifting and letting off the clutch.
After adjusting the pedal stop and rod, it now behaves like a clutch!
It honestly made me question my skills, which was absolutely disheartening after buying the car...
6k miles? Sheesh. Do people not drive these things? Only owned my 21 for 6 months and put 7,400 on it. Bought it with 3 miles on the clock. Appreciate the informative video btw
My 2019 has 5,500 miles. I commute 64 miles everyday so I would rather sit in traffic in my 2006 mazda 6 vs my R.
@@hirpmvtec I do about 50 a day, but Im used to doing it in a manual. The A/C works too well and I like the creature comforts in newer cars so I just daily it lol. Tried to do it in my 98 Cobra, and was miserable
@@ChokolateSushi23 I hear you man. I got rear ended when I had my si so I’m a good bit paranoid now in bumper in bumper traffic. I plan to get rid of the Mazda soon enough for a newer daily with more comfort features like you mentioned.
@@hirpmvtec understandable. I would be too!
I've been working from home for the past 5 years so I don't typically have anywhere to go. Also I have 3 cars, so that makes it easier to keep the miles down
My Fk8 (19) didn’t grind but it was crunchy when it’s absolutely cold .. I did synchromesh and cmc adjustment .. mine had a good amount of slack from factory .. I was able to adjust almost a full turn until I got resistance .. I can slam gears with no problems. .
What is cmc adjustment? Like the clutch pedal?
@@TheWetCanadian it's in the video. Look for when he adjusts the plunger
After all that grinding did you notice any metal in the oil when you changed it? I assume the drain plug is magnetic?
Hey brotha great vids i love them i just wanted to get your input on BOV for the type r i see you don’t have one and i see other people don’t and other people do what’s your opinion on the matter
It is fine to run a bov as long as u the car is tuned for it...I am running a hks bov on my fk8 and have no issues at all
So i been reading and the one you said its recommends for an automatic transmission.. so i am wondering why you choice that motul mutil ATF instead of the MTF (Aka gear oil)???
Amsoil for all fluids... Making 500whp on my 6speed Type S... NO gear grinds EVER unless they were my fault in the first place from bad clutch control/shifting.
Which transmission fluid do you recommend Motul or AC Delco?
I will get the AC delco FM since I heard is the best one but I think is about they are similar
Looking for a shop in the SoCal area that can do this for my 21 CTR….any suggestions?
I also fix mine conplete too..did the cnc, better but that didn't fix it completely, did amsoil, switch to gm Synchromesh, stopped from grindbut couldnt shift hard, that didn't completely fix it, then I use hondata, that completely fix it after..now I drive as hard as I want with no grind or rubbing feel
How'd the hondata fix it? Rev match fix?
What low profile ramp do you use?
Quick question: What year is your Civic? I'm about to buy 2021 and I wonder if it's been fixed by Honda or not.
I recommend putting 2.5quarts
A clutch delay valve on a type r is funny to me it’s a sports car not a economy car. But now I’m looking to see if my 10th Gen si has it probably does never knew about this.
I just traded my 2019 Si for a Type R and the Si does have one as well
Line wrenches. Ive heard people call em “brake line wrenches” as well
I have a 2018 si and for my car, it’s not a grind it’s a crunch or a double clunk. Also first gear locks out a lot or goes in half way and pops out. Reverse seems to be hard to find all of the time and it’s very picky about when it’ll go into gear. Third gear would occasionally grind but I found that to sometimes be my fault. Third gear would also lock out like first. My 27won race rear motor mount eliminated the third gear grind/lockout. My Acuity stage 1 shift kit also helped with the second gear double clunk but it’s still there. Reverse is still hard to find too. The first gear lockout is still there as well. It’ll go half way in to the gear then either stay there or it’ll go a little further but not all the way and then pop out when I start driving. Its only a problem when stopped. It’s a pretty common problem for me and can leave me stopped for up to 15 seconds when the light turns green. My friend has a 2019 type r and his car has the same first gear problem and he has an Acuity short shifter with linkage bushings. First gear would lock out. I’ve even experienced it when testing his short shifter.
2 years later...any fix? I have 2019 si and same issues literally. Adjusted the clutch pedal but still can't find the correct position to eliminate the grind
@@ivangalvan2760 I got a full acuity short shifter 2 years ago and haven’t had any issues since
@@inconspicuous_ox no way dude replied. Legend 😅 thanks bro that might be my next mod. Not sure if I can install myself tho
I did the install with a friend and I installed one by myself, it doesn’t hurt to have another set of hands but it’s not entirely necessary. It’s my favorite mod I’ve ever done on the car and nearly I’m fbo at this point
What about 2nd gear pop out? Would this still help?
Hi ! Amazing video but I have one question... I adjusted my CMC plunger without adjusting the pedal play. Not every FK8 comes with the same setting I guess so some people may need to add more than 1 full rotation ? I also read on Civicx that the pedal freeplay is not based on preference. There is only one correct position. So i'm kinda lost regarding this :p
Same bro help me out 😂
Grinding synchros in a LITERALLY brand new transmission is just absolutely awful.. nothing can be worse. All the transmissions I’ve had that had pop out, grinding, or any other issues had 200k on the odo and even then, the issues weren’t as bad. The new FL5 has a beefier trans supposedly, hopefully all those issues are gone.
I dunno i never had any gear grind issues.. just left mine bone stock tho
Cześć.Mam podobny problem w Honda CR-V 3, jak szybciej wrzucam drugi bieg to chrupanie,najczęściej przy wyjeździe w lewo lub prawo.Wymieniłem olej na Valvoline 75W, jest naprawdę żadki, prawie jak ATF,ma lepkość 33 w 40 stopniach Celsjusza.Jak u Ciebie po tych modyfikacjach i regulacji luzu pompy sprzęgła? Jest dobrze?
Where you been at mannnnnn
Any new content??
Best fix is don’t drive in comfort mode that’s what causes extra wear on your synchros since you can’t rev match because it does it manually it revs too little in comfort mode and it clunks into gear making them notchy until it wears out
Get snap ring pliers.
Backing the pedal bolt out and then adjusting the plunger did not worn for me. It made a lot more resistance going into gear. I ended up going a full turn and a half in with the pedal bolt and then adjusting the plunger. 2nd still grinds.
Next step would be getting a Hasport 62A or 70A Motormount
I prefer DOT 4. DOT 3 gets hot real quick
What changed, is your clutch itself wore a little bit.
Sucks getting this weapon of a car with a huge mark up and having this problem. Usually Honda transmissions are good.
Ok i adjusted the pedal stopper one turn. Then did the plunger. Is it ok that i dont have play in the pedal anymore? Thanks. Next step fluid change
Update i still have the play before i feel the real actual pressure of the clutch being pushed in just has no loose pedal play up top anymore.. also i can push the slave in by hand aswell. I read to check that out.
Get some snap ring pliers.
If I can find a type r for msrp after my tour I'm definitely going to get one. Then I can convert my 9th into a dedicated weekend drag car.
good luck man. Ive been searching for 1 for 2 months now at MSRP. These dealerships are crazy charging anywhere from 44k to 50k for this car. Ive had some get crazy attitudes with me cause I told them no way I was paying that, and they said no other dealerships are charging MSRP than proceeded to ask if I was still interested lol.
Does the car not come with a warranty? Have the Honda dealership fix your grind....
Got my R in August of 19 brand new as well! What's your R number?
Pinching brake hose will damage hose would not recommend
I don't have 2nd gear grind but I do get locked out of 4th gear occasionally 😔
This is the first mention I’ve heard about 4th gear lockout. I experience it as well downshifting into 4th gear...is this the same for you?
@@precisionautocare4913 yes sometimes from 5th to 4th or even 3rd to 4th...
Same here sometimes I cannot shift 3rd to 4th. Need to push twice.
Where you from?
First thing I would do to “fix” it would be to go to Honda!!!!! First and only thing. Did you not get a warranty with your new car that only had 6 miles on it?
Ummm....I'm pretty sure my warranty is voided
I can't for the life of me get the Hondata dash app to work. Followed the steps, but it won't connect to my flash pro. Any advice? Or a video on the steps?
Better to just take it easy with the downshifting. There is no reason to bang it in second gear, since the car pull in 3rd gear from about 3,500 rpms. My cars transmission feels like butter. So this guy should get a car with paddle shifters.
I have 3rd gear grind
Fixing the 2nd gear crunch. Just shift timing is huge. I never crunch. And I power shift.
Yup. this ^^
Mann Honda are wrong for this not getting it sorted if I was to buy this car it would put me off big time!
the 8th gen civic si's were plagued by this issue its sad to see honda never changed it. It was a combination of the badly designed cmc with a delay valve. Some people were astonished when they installed an aftermarket ktuned unit and changed their transmission fluid that the issue went away and that they didn't have to have their 2nd or 3rd gear synchro replaced.
I can't believe Honda still haven't fixed this issue they have had the famous 2nd gear grind all the way back since 2001 DC5 type R days. All this time and they can't release a car without it grinding 2nd gear. What a joke. They make one of the best manual feel transmission but that issue just wrecks it all. It shouldn't be up to us to solve it. This is Honda's issue.
Won't you void your 5 year warranty by putting non OEM fluid?
I'm not sure... But I voided the warranty the moment I tuned the car
Nobody cares about warranty lol