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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2015
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2:03 Bicycles are not designated as vehicles in California but have all the rights and are subject to the provisions applicable to a driver of a vehicle. CVC 21200(a) tinyurl.com/pysjwx8
3:31 California Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices Bicycles may use full lane Page 11 tinyurl.com/p9ybeyk
4:40 Bicycles may use full lane CVC 21202(a)3 Substandard width lane is considered to be less than 14 feet. To be compliant with the code one would have to get out a tape measure and constantly measure the road and passing cars. tinyurl.com/qzs94ry
4:56 Door Zone tinyurl.com/nfqv8ph
5:34 San Diego Bicycle License Ordnance repealed tinyurl.com/p7kfwex
6:05 Can't see the road until I'm right up on the road
6:58 Bicycle equipment required to ride at night tinyurl.com/q6ay5mb This velomobile has reflectorized tires. Contact occurred during daylight. Reflector requirements for bicycles sold in the US tinyurl.com/qx4m6bc
8:50 Police can always find a reason to cite you.
9:15 Bikes impede traffic? CVC 21656 tinyurl.com/oobgnhu
9:25 Bicycle defined CVC 231 tinyurl.com/o66xu3c
"Do you live in the area?"
Yeah, within bicycling distance
LOL
Officer: "do as I say citizen"
Citizen: "show me the law"
Officer: "Im to lazy to look it up"
Pretends to be worried about traffic while his big ass cruiser is in the middle of road for a bicycle stop.
Jesse A. He Did Not have to block the entire lane. He does that to display his authority.
That was such an overreaction to do a tactical stop on him like that. They normally only do that for wanted felons 😂
@@matthew3774 Well he was confrontationnal. And arrogant.
@@tomjoad1363 That happened after the stop… I still don’t know why they did a felony stop on him 😂 only thing I can think of is because they thought he might not have mirrors to see them signalling him to stop
If safety is their concern, then why did they suddenly and dangerously pull in front of you into on coming traffic?
Exactly.
And block the road which is one of the things he said the bicycle was doing.
@@allenlong5109 how stupid can you all be. He pulled up a couple of feet in front of him about half a car length. And the cop was just curious on what it was and if it was safe to drive on the road. They blocked the road so that they can have control of comes by and how fast so they and the guy doesn’t get hit
@@xshootoillx Paul Blart jumped out of the car before it even stopped moving and he wants to talk safety lmao
San diego chimps
"Are you a bicycle?"
"No, I'm a person" 😂😂
MrGhettoRig he may identify as a race car
or
why give them a hard time
I loved that
And he wonders why the cop gets an attitude
Who conducts a police stop like that for the reason of "identifying if it was a bicycle or not"?
👉 +Chris Davis 👈
exactly the point, good comment here.
+John Dozier did you see the way they cut in front of him, jumped out of the car and quickly confronted him? They conducted the stop as if it were a felony. They should have pulled behind him and then attempt the detention. They stopped him to determine what type of vehicle he was in. At the moment he realized it's not a motor vehicle, the traffic stop should have ended and both parties continue on with their day.
A police officer's job is to enforce laws, assist the public and uphold the constitution. When you continue to detain someone when no crime has been committed, is a violation of the law. A law we trust our law enforcement to enforce.
Most cops do now. They call it "Verbal Judo." It's their way of trying to do a "gotcha."
I love cops man. They park their big ass SUV right in the middle of the street and then tries to tell you that you're riding in the middle of road and disrupting traffic lmfao. wow
SD cops are still overzealous, we're slowly reigning then in though.
Stephen B. Smith How much of taxpayer dollars are those fancy S.U.V.s perhaps rather we just do some firing and revamp our healthcate system yeh..? what could be worse then paying taxes to hire criminals then arm them and give them SUVs?
It's made on purpose so other motorists have to pass way away from the suspect. It's a safety measures.
the F!@# you need a bike licence to ride a bike what next, you need a pedestrian licence to walk down a side walk
Soon in the future years, everything you do has a freaking license
SHHH! Don't give the money-grabbing pricks any more ideas about things to charge us money for.
I notice he asked you to move so you wouldn't get hit or block traffic but they didn't move their huge truck.
The officer's other call, which he was willing to put aside to check out the man with the funny bicycle, was the donut shop ran out of donuts.
Great that you were recording this exchange. The method used to stop you was not appropriate. As the officer got deeper into his reason for pulling over he realized that he had no lawful reason to stop you and was trying use his authority to negate a situation that worsened the more he spoke. He should have graciously apologized for mistaking your vehicle as a motorized vehicle then moved on. But no. He had to feel like he is the victor. I don't know where he was pulling his information from about what is legal for bicycles operators on the roadway and what is not. I applaud you for having studied the codification (its apparent that you have read traffic law) and in a polite, non-threatening manner, stood your ground. Yes, you-tube is a great place to put this video. It was difficult to hear what the other officer was saying. I had full volume on audio. What I did hear sounded like he was trying collude with his partner. I abhor LEO's that use their badge/uniform to try to make their own law to bully citizens.
"I'm here for your safety I really am, do u have an ID?"
Lmao the humanity
At least he didn't accuse the rider of being a possible terrorist.
@@kvogel9245 He's riding a WW2 bomb!
I'm not here to mess with you... When they say that you know they are.
What a load of BS, "he doesn't want to waste your time", he tries to enforce a law he hardly even knows and he is "concerned for your safety". Seriously, these people need to put on bikes to patrol the roads, it will make them fitter and teach them how to ride a bike safely.
Agreed, but it also depends on how the conversation started out. The cops were friendly initially, while the bike rider here immediately pushed back. Most cops I know see that as provocation and react accordingly...
I agree. Biker looking for a problem. These cops were nice guys. Next one might not be. Please record that encounter as well. Little blood on the roadway never did anybody harm other than a arrogant cyclist .
Officer Hubris could definitely use some cardio.
Yeah, the real problem is our streets and roads were never designed to accommodate anything but automobiles. I rode a lot in college, and I never felt safe. Ride in the street you're likely to get run over. Ride on the sidewalk, you're likely to run over someone else. If you obey the law, you're likely to get hurt or cited. If you disobey the law, you're likely to hurt someone else and get arrested.
Sigh, just get out of the city and move to the country.
Right
Hey buddy check this out this man is probably a homeowner he got a wedding ring on so that means he got to work to support his wife which means he paid his f****** taxes he paid for that f****** rude he's probably got a regular car at the house again he paid for that f****** road but I digress the highways what design for the military so they can move from one part of the country to another in a heavy duty truck that's what the highways was originally designed for not for f****** illegal to drive on them in some states you have to pay to drive on the highway.
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laws are a fucking joke lets face it.
depends if the cop that catches you is a douche or not. i bike on the sidewalk fuck biking with death traps, cars act too entitled to the road. pedestrians act too entitled to the sidewalk, and bikes are just told to go fuck themselves. people are pathetic. thats why i bike where the fuck i want and they can just suck a fat dick becuase its my life and they cant stop me
penalcrack . That depends on the country i guess. In the Netherlands it’s illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk. You have to ride a bicycle on a bikelane or the right side of the road.
The police are so wrong on so many levels.
I laughed out loud when the cop said he was concerned about his safety. Cops don't care about your safety they just want to control you and cite you.
👉 +Stephen B. Smith 👈
You said that exactly right, great comment here...!!!! You could not be more right on, of the truth about the pigs/badge wearing criminals mentalities, especially anymore these days now...!
Bull shit we care about other people ...
Sounded like he had a boring day and needed to excite his ego a little.
bicycle licence?
I looked it up because of this video. Californian cities introduced bicycle licenses in the 1950s. They were repealed in the 2000s, San Diego removed theirs in 2012.
I would off told him to fuck off
3:03 'Hold on... I, I gotta deal with traffic, I don't want you getting hit!' What a fucking hero, someone get this guy a doughnut.
I just have to say if he couldnt see that big bright red torpedo he needs glasses and a desk job.
Im also glad you knew the codes and had him on his heels with counter questioning.
👏 bravo sir.
wow! blown away...one of the best public servant vs citizen encounters I've witnessed...you are very well spoken and articulate with upholding your rights at the same time not getting the wannabe overlords to react insanely like they often do... keep up the good work👍
I just have to say that I love the way you conduct yourself with the officers. Keep doing what you're doing!
Lmao. Bicycle license ? Good ol Commiefornia.
By the way, how fast will that bike go? Looked like you were cruising along pretty good.
+monkeybutttt1 28-30 mph where its flat but 4 mph up hills. Takes more energy to accelerate but much less to maintain speed compared to diamond frame bikes.
They have those in Japan, which is actually good when your bike get stolen. Bike licenses were common in the USA 50 years ago, when I was a kid, but most places gave it up as a pain in the ass soon after that.
Wow your not kidding? A bicycle license? What's next a walking license?
lol
"If I'm lawfully operating a bike, how can I impede traffic? What am I supposed to do, get off the road?" Great point. And agree, there is no legal obligation for you to ride on the rightmost edge of the road if there isn't enough room for another vehicle to safely pass, or if it would otherwise jeopardize your safety from the potential to be doored by a parked car, or from debris or potholes, etc.
What's the two brackets and black thing for, mounting a windshield?
"Bicycle license"? WTF is that? Sounds made up...oh it is, shocker (well actually repealed in 2013). No laws were broken and the cop was the one who obstructed traffic initially by taking up both lanes.
That said I would never ride one of these things just because they are so low to the ground. I like to be more visible to idiots on the road, including cops.
Very nice job dealing with them in the video. I like the way that you remain calm, and just talk about the relevant laws and requirements. I do understand the confusion to the velomobile, as I have never seen one here. But once he realizes it is a bicycle, he should have moved on. Unfortunately, he doesn't fully understand the rights of a cyclist on the road.
3:00 cop accuses him of being in the middle of the road and it could block trafic.
Look where the cop parked. What a db.
Rich C. - Best response on this thread! ❤️❤️❤️
Rich C ask yourself the same question "look where the cop parked" bro he's LAW ENFORCEMENT which means he has an AUTHORIZED VEHICLE to STOP TRAFFIC smh!!
Craig Sujo It was not necessary for the cup to park in the middle of the road blocking both lanes. Total overreaction even if he is authorized to do that. You’re a douche
fuck that is they supposedly want to protect the guy from getting hit they should park more carefully because another cyclist can get hit by a car because the cops are using the almost both lines, so I don't care if is the president, the pope or Jesus, common sense comes first, this cops aren't respecting the community stopping like that and disturbing the traffic, wasting people time and creating more possibilities for an accident
SC Nomad and it is not necessary for the biker to be in the middle of the road slowing traffic down but it is also legal like it is legal for the officer to stop traffic like he did 🤷🏽♂️
Hey, get one of those old school orange flags.
That should tell them it's a bike.
That cop actually seemed pretty nice. Good cops deserve to be recognized just like bad ones deserve be called out.
I have to agree. I'm a cyclist and I don't agree with how this guy goes about his stops. Something I would except is to be stopped if I was riding that. It's not the first time and it won't be the last time.
A nice cop that doesn’t know the law is a dangerous cop.
Exactly
Cop was a douchebag liar.
Rollo Lawson why ask for ID if he's only concern is his safety?
back in the 60's a CHP gave a guy riding a horse a speeding Ticket in Folsom ...he became the laughing joke of the CHP!
How fast were you going there at the end?
What's that watch you are wearing?
1:54 "You have an ID on you sir?"
Why do they always ask for ID whenever they make contact... even when the person they've stopped *CLEARLY* hasn't committed any infractions of their corporate regulations.
They're fishing for warrants, etc. and hoping that, as usual, you will be intimidated and comply even though you are not required to do so under the law.
"I’m not a bicycle I’m a person” HAHAHA
I want to buy this guy a beer
I really like this one. You're going through every argument I get too. You're polite, and he's squirming. "Not here to mess with you." Yeah, right..... In any case, you're in a good mood, you're polite, you're debating well, and finally he backs off. Good job. Loved: "I'd feel really bad if I get hit by a car, too."
awesome bike man. How fast can you get that thing up to on a flat road?
out on a call then stops to waste time on a man and his bike whom knows more then the cops about the law
It's the Union Way. Featherbedding keeps as many police as possible employed, even when there is no actual crime. Plenty of time for revenue generation and general BS.
He's on a call to an armed robbery but took his time to block a full lane & keep you safe.
+B Anno Who said he was on a call to an armed robbery? The cop didn't.
Ward oo
Do you always take everything so literal ?
BTW cop was rather uneducated.
It is for this reason that it is a good idea to have a copy of the state statue concerning bicycles printed out and on hand. I have had discussions like this while riding a "NORMAL" bicycle. Most police departments just don't know how to handle the rules for bicycles if they EVEN know them.
He is either lying or blind to not see that velomobile that looks to be about 6 feet by 3 feet and is painted bright red riding down the middle of the road. Kudos this cyclist for challenging the officer's ignorance in a respectful way.
Is this a bicycle ?! Just say yes instead if speaking for 10 mins
You have to admit, it was a stupid question. Did it look like a car?
ElysiumDiary This guy hates freedom
K Vogel there are a ton of home built motor driven vehicles. So yes it could be. It could be anything, hence the reason he stopped him to check it out. You can't see the guy peddling and in another video the guy stares there are electric motors available for them.
The po could have asked the direct question several minutes before he finally did. Citizens are not required to assume a question. And the, “I don’t want to waste your time” line is pretty insulting, being that’s exactly what he’s doing.
Messing with you, and in two of your vids, they missed the chance to write a ticket for loud Harley mufflers.
And a Tesla aumatic driver does it definitely see this velocar correctly to pass by?
I think I saw you riding this machine in the Tour de Palm Springs. I have to compliment you, this thing is so cherry and clean! love it!
A fucking bicycle license? Got to be shitting me...
+joe Costello No. I've lived in some areas that require bicycie licenses. It's not made up.
+Ward oo Actally, it's a bicycle registration, not a license.
Like CA, most places have dropped these things. Costs more to process than they can collect, and Big Government likes to make money off the taxpayers. That's what Socialism is all about.
so what's next , A WALKING LICENSE !! hehehh!!
here in germany its a good idead, bicyclers assholes here, drivin without rules^^
ugh I don't know my state law nearly as well as you. I've read through it many times and know the basics but I don't know specific sections that well. I need to study up!
That's what police count on when they lie and intimidate to get what they want. If more people learned the actual laws and cared about the US Constitution, police would have to change their ways.
I have often wondered if anyone has ever cited a Recumbent Trike, Recumbent Bike or Velomobile rider for viloaltion of CVC 21201 d - 3 ... Where it says that you have to have a reflector on your pedal or shoe or ankle that is visible from the FRONT AND REAR. Dont think from the rear is very possible.
+dregerclock I remember hearing of a judge that found the rider not guilty because it was a recumbent and the pedal couldn't be seen. I usually don't encounter sensible people when I go to court though. Also, my tires have reflective sidewalls.
+dregerclock We have been wondering that in Finland aswell. It's carved on stone around here aswell :)
+dregerclock well in my state (Mi) its law is, if you are selling a bike with pedal. the pedal must have reflectors.
if u are selling bike pedals, the bike pedals must have reflectors.
Mich law doesn't say u must have reflectors on your pedals.
Mich law DOES say if u are riding 30 mins before sundown to after 30 mins sun goes up, u must have a RED reflector on the back of your bike, a red light DOES NOT replace a red reflector (it also says the red light can't be flashing, but no1 really cares). also must have a head light riding 30 mins before sundown to after 30 mins sun goes up.
I was disapointed that you were not open from the beginning w the officers that it was a bike and you seemed more confrontational than was needed.
Thought supreme court ruled they are not to worry about our saftey just enforce laws
The guy in bike knew his stuff very well the cop seemed lost and confused. I don't see an issue here
sadly the one with the power was the one without any knowledge of the law he was trying to uphold. so the old adage "knowledge is power" is somewhat limited.
Scott was so confident but so chill, awesome video
Just a thought but could you legally have a flashing amber light, solid lights don't catch a drivers attention like a flashing one will, just behind your head so you'd be easier to see when cars are coming up behind you? I've never looked to see if there is anything said about this in the CVC.
+timon0x31 Yes I could, the only restricted color is blue which is reserved for police bikes. I'm plenty visible as it is. People that say they have difficulty seeing me are struggling with their own ignorance and trying to place blame other than themselves. This game will never end, if it isn't one thing it will be another until I'm a traveling billboard with visibility aids airbags and first aid kits. I've found that drivers are consistent with the DMV requirement to see, they all can.
why're cops obsessed with asking for ID?
They scoop up a lot of arrests that way. Looking for outstanding warrants and such.
Also it is intimidating to be at odds with someone who knows where you live.
Very calmly dealt with.
Is the vehicle/bicycle traveling at the posted speed limit or is he impeding traffic? Does the vehicle/bicycle have ample lights/hi-viz markers, turn signals? Does the driver/rider have insurance?
Not required to have insurance, not required to travel at the posted speed LIMIT. If there was a posted minimum speed, he'd have to obey that, something that is only on controlled access roads like freeways.
Bicycles have supreme court rulings that they can not impede traffic while operating as designed, they ARE traffic. Bicycles are not required to have turn signals, he does have high viz markers and ample lights (not a requirement during daylight hours).
How fast can you get that thing moving on flat terrain with no absolute wind?
+MelkorHimself I did three laps on Fiesta Island in San Diego and averaged 31 mph.
+Fraser Supersport I did notice almost at the end, you could have been cited for 21453 a CVC!
+FLATUANT Absolutely right and along the lines of the point made in the video I could be cited for virtually anything and I will lose in traffic court because I can't prove that I didn't violate it. Guilty until proven innocent. That's how it is in traffic court though. Our life on the roads is such a mess most municipalities step up the enforcement to try and hedge against the carnage on our streets. Yes I rolled through the stop sign and encroached on the crosswalk. Think of it this way, if there were only bikes on the road would that code even exist? We created the vehicle code to keep the automotive industry in business. That includes insurance and finance. The VC was not created solely with our safety in mind. We do not enforce the code solely with safety in mind. There is a lot of money to be made and we don't have the power here in the US to choose safety over profit every time. The one year that I monitored, maybe it was 2008, there was one death in the US bicyclist vs. pedestrian and unfortunately the gal had a preexisting spine injury that made her susceptible. This occurred on a high school running track. My point is that bicycles aren't killing us. Cars are.
+Fraser Supersport well all the liberals would disagree that cars kill people, guns do! I havent looked up the stats on UC Davis / City of Davis, since they are considered a bicycle town! but the cops have started strict enforcement of traffic laws because cyclists have been running stop signs and getting into accidents! But as for the cop stopping you for unjust cause as in the video is wrong in all ways! plus a cop being really ignorant of laws and then stopping a person to tell them they broke a law!
since they have passed the 3 feet law I have seen more cars come close to colliding to avoid the cyclist! where I live there are bike trails and lanes, the cyclist arent using them, they use the road and several cyclist have been killed, usually by a drunk driver! I dont ride my bike on the streets anymore, because i have been intentionally forced off the road several times and I hug the side of the road! one guy didnt notice when he forced me over, a CHP was 2 cars behind him and nailed his bony ass! I pressured the officer for an assault charge, he was citing him for a fail to yield! I dropped my sisters name as the Valley Manager, she works for the CHP in Maintenance and then he brought the assault charge and he got prosecuted for it! one year in jail!
back when people could wear guns in open carry, I wore one and people stayed the hell away from me! cops stopped and asked why i carry one and I said the same reason you guys carry one, for safety and protection from morons trying to force me off the road! no problem, they agreed and left!
You could have just opened with "It's a bicycle." They didn't pull you over to play games.
+Tuna Exactly.
+Tuna Actually, they pulled him over to play games. He wasn't going to give a citation (no laws broken), he was curious and wanted to know more. Enforcer was a dick.
WWWenCHILE he would've if it was in fact a motored vehicle
I really am amazed how the San Diego police is so numb and ignorant to laws.....they are supposed to enforce...and will obvously do anything they want to any citizen when they feel the need.
John Wirkus that's how all the cops are just because they have a badge they feel free to do anything they want
I think this whole conversation would have gone much differently if the cyclist wasn't recording.
So, what about walking down the middle of the street like they did at the end?
LMAO you got have a Lin for a bicycle in SD wow.
And I didn't think bike riders could be more annoying. I was wrong.
Velomobile is THE most energy efficient mode of personal transport. Then comes recumbent bike, regular bike and walking. Electric assisted velomobile would be my choise for eco transport.
CBC 14607.6 (B)
(b) A peace officer shall not stop a vehicle for the sole reason of determining whether the driver is properly licensed.
Can not stop you just for being on the roadway.
cop - "let me see if I can find another exception" How bout this? And this? Got reflectors? Are you carrying illegal fruit? I don't want to stop you, but I did and I still talking. And talking. And talking. And why operate this thing? Yadda yadda yadda.... blah blah blah
Are you a bicycle? No I am a human hahaha that made me laugh so hard :-)
+Dutch Bicycle Cam : I often use that response when motorists ask if I think I'm a car.
However, it's probably best to not get too cute with the cops.
well a police man once said to me you can't cycle here on the pavement. so I said you just saw me cycle here so I can do it. and I pointed to my tandem with a trailer behind it. and because I where on a tandem and he saw i can ride between pedestrians on the pavement so he did not gave me a ticket :-)
Are you allowed to cycle in the US??
By law yes but that doesn't stop people who hate bikes from doing what they can to eliminate them.
8:21 officer: why operate this as to a bicycle?
Rider: because i can.
The sad irony is that I do believe that when most law enforcement officers pull us over, even when they're mistaken as to the law. That they honestly do have our safety in mind. They're just usually wrong as to what the actual law(s) is/are.
Stop arguing with cops.
Ed Garrity
OR, use good logic with everyone.
It's not a thing, officer, it's called a velomobile and they're the most intelligent and fun vehicles humans ever created.
Is there room in the right hand traffic lane for a parked car with the street side door open, a car and a bike? NO! The cops pull you over and tell you how to ride when they don’t even know, then say they don’t want to waste your time, which they just did. You pull out and rightly begin to ride the way you were before they cut in across your lane to stop you... Ridiculous!
Nother example of how little police are taught or learn or know much of anything about cycling law and CVC related to it. I guess he started to understand your comments and maybe it started to ring some bells about what is legal after you mentioned things. But yeah he has the same "concerned for your safety" mentality about cycling on a street that many Motorists have. Personally I have never had an officer pull me over for anything like that. I assume because they can see I am pedaling my trike.. I think he was initially very confused by the velomobile because he could not see you pedaling. I think if you had just clearly answered him about it being a bicycle from the start it might not have been so confrontational at the start. Hope he went home and read up a little on cycling law.
Any cop who admits up front that he can't be bothered to know the law, on video no less, should be fired immediately. Would you use a surgeon who couldn't be bothered to learn the BASICS of his job? A lawyer? A tax professional?
I think you should have said that it was a bicycle when he first asked. He's clearly not very bright and making that clear earlier would have been good.
The "number one lane", er the only lane.
"If a car came by you, it would hit you, because a car can't get by" - Uh, massive logic fail. They always make this incredibly stupid excuse and it's simply not the case. Most people slow down. Some cross the center line. Hitting slow predictable traffic is unusual, even though slow predictable traffic is not unusual.
Center of the lane is not center of the road.
He doesn't know CVC 21202 and he didn't know that the bicycle license program had been repealed 2 years ago.
I love it when they pretend that they couldn't see you. Of course he could see you. He's trying to support his pre-conceived notions by lying. What an idiot.
Reflectors are only required when riding after dark. CVC 21201(d). In daylight hours, no reflectors or lights are required.
The impeding law is CVC 21656. 5 or more vehicles and you have to turn out.
I envy your ability to stay cool in the face of stupidity.
Was this on an uphill?
+billdavidson6 Uphill yes, I was coming out of a red light. Their concerns are completely opposite to my experience. He was right when he said he could write a 21202 citation. I've lost that one before because it's generally not possible to prove the far right is excepted. It's likely the only place it could be proved is where an r4-11 sign is posted.
+Fraser Supersport are all the cops there just stupid? it's like they live under rocks, how do they even get a job policing? I've been to and cycled in around CA for many years now, I am a truck driver and carry a bike with me. Over the last few years I've seen several Velomobiles. They seriously need to reeducate their police force, even about simple traffic laws.
+Jj Flash : They vary a lot because the departments provide them with no education on bikes. They know what they know from whatever other sources. Lots of them are this bad. Some are far worse.
+Fraser Supersport "He was right when he said he could write a 21202 citation"; that's kind of a weird way to say it. Of course he COULD cite you for xyz.
Also, i know it doesn't always work out this way: but in order to be found responsible for breaking a law it is "the state" that must prove you guilty/responsible, it's not your job as the defendant to prove you didn't break a law. They would have to prove that none of the exceptions applied, including proving that "a vehicle" (not THE vehicle, A vehicle; any vehicle that might appear on that road) and your bicycle (or velomobile or whatever you were riding) could have fit safely side-by-side within the lane if your position were as far right a practicable.
I am assuming you were consciously riding not AFRAP because you thought the lane was not side-by-side sharable (?)
+E Beighe In traffic court the proof required is the officer's testimony. By merely writing the citation the burden is then placed on me to prove that I was not in violation. I've done this before. I had photographs and presented my defense just to have the officer conveniently move the site of the infraction up the road to where it was wide enough. Ironically at that point I was to the right. Because this isn't justice I consider the fines I pay to be the bicyclists road tax required if you operate safely IAW national bike safety organizations. This among other reasons is why you are watching these videos today.
At 0:05 you can see I'm in the right lane, if there weren't cars parked along the side and I had cars behind me in the lane I likely would have moved right if I thought there was enough room. As it was there was no traffic behind.
At 0:15 you can see that I'm still in the center of the right lane but there is room to the right, likely enough room for a car and bike to safely share side by side. I don't move right for two reasons, there was no traffic behind me in the right lane and the DMV says weaving in and out of the lane when there are gaps in the parked cars is wrong because it greatly increases risk
At 0:29 you can see that the right and left lane are now one single lane and there is still plenty of room for cars to pass safely to the left. I know that I have to take the lane ahead and I want to remain visible and predictable so I'm tracking to be outside the door zone of the parked car ahead.
At 0:38 the lane is no longer wide enough and I'm looking for a gap so I can signal and take the lane.
At 0:45 I was positioned a little right of center in the substandard width lane. I could see the police cruiser here start to pass but hold up and wait. In regards to crossing a solid center line to pass a bicyclist, the CHP considers bicyclists to be obstructions thus qualifying the crossing of the solid line to pass. I'm convinced, based on what they told me that the officer driving does not know how to actually pass a bicyclist in this situation. He doesn't actually understand that he is to slow take up a safe following distance and wait for a safe opportunity to pass. The SDPD Traffic Division Chief issued a memo years ago stating that bicyclists should not be expected to operate in the door zone.
Bicycle licence - fire department
Walking licence - education department
Breathing licence - DOT
Welcome to the land where you need a licence for everthing
Does that thing attract girls too , or just the police ?
I don't like cops much but I thought this cop was reasonable decent and human. He didn't know what the vehicle was and asked. I thought he was quite respectful--maybe not the sharpest tack in the box but ok.
I side with the officers , I think they were being polite and reasonable .
So you prefer to be stopped for NOT breaking laws? Maybe you should go to your local police station and have them pick out your next vehicle for you.
sure they were ...people are f ing idiots
He realized that you knew the law much better than he did. He's probably got a disciplinary record and doesn't more trouble in his job.
This policeman is doing a great job. Kudos to him. He isn't sure what to make of this and is trying to learn more about it. Nice work on both their parts. The officer just cannot believe anyone would ride of these things. LOL
Nice Cop. Chill out my man. .
He's an instigator from the git-go and wanted to make a statement. Little does he know, he DID, and it reflects poorly on him.
He's not a nice cop, once he verified that was not a motorized vehicle he should have let it go.
Yeah, nice cop violating your rights!
Bill Campbell no such thing as "nice cop". Purge all pigs!
Those cops were so sincere and genuine. People are just looking for bad cops now a days. Cut them a break. Even if you were following every "law" and "street legal" it doesn't mean that you're still not in danger on the road. ie: the front reflector. Is it required? Maybe not but it's just a good idea. You might be in the right, but it doesn't make you smart.
+Truth Seeker : Reflectors only work when there's a light shining on them from an angle that is close to the viewer. Most people don't run full headlights during the day and daytime running lights are typically not bright enough to make reflectors useful during the day. They are "be seen" lights -- not "see with" lights.
Reflectors are only required when riding after dark, CVC 21201(d).
He had reflectors anyway.
Yes, they were sincere and genuine. They were also wrong about the law and safety. The rider in the video is a League of American Bicyclists Certified Instructor. He knows bike safety better than you or these cops.
+Truth Seeker I understand what you are saying. I'm definitely not looking for bad cops. I'm not looking for cops at all. We are all in danger on the road. I have two headlights up front that work really well to see and be seen, reflectors are ineffective. You can do things that are "just a good idea" when you have a motor to drive yourself around but when you only have human power those things add up quick. When someone tells you something that you know is wrong you should tell them you disagree, try it sometime, it's refreshing.
They can be sincere and genuine but they were sincerely and genuinely wrong. If they were truly sincere and genuine, they would have gotten on their computer (which most of them use illegally while in motion) called up the law, read it, understood it, and been on their way. If they were truly sincere and genuine they would not have illegally demanded or even requested ID.
+Fraser Supersport I agree will all the replies... my wife was using my account and has a different opinion then me. :/ I subscribed to you because you challenge law enforcement on the laws and keep em in check.
+Timothy 53 In CA CVC the police are not subject to the prohibition of using devices with screens showing other than performance or navigational data. Maybe they are allowed to engage in known risky behavior because they are so good they don't need to apply their full attention to what they are doing. Their collision statistics don't reflect this though.
well what is it
You need a sign on it that says it’s a bicycle or a tricycle and whatever details you want to add
I hate to say this but the way you acted was pretty deuchy. He had no idea what a "velomobile" is. You riding in the middle of the roadway is dumb if cars get behind and you won't get over hould bc you are moving slow - Stay on the right-hand side like a bicycle. That's a no-brainer. I live in Orange County and Newport Beach you can bike on a street and when cars come you MOVE OUT OF THE WAY - the streets are small there too. LOL you would easily get hit by someone texting so he does have a point.
Accidents happen every day, driving a car has more risks than smoking cigarettes. Life is full of risks. Law is there to mitigate those risks. Nothing wrong with him riding a bike, even if it gets in another impatient ignorant motorists way. If there is not enough room to lane split, or if the cyclist is negociating a left turn, it is wise to take a full lane. Motorists who take out frustrations on cyclists by endangering their welfare by taking them over so closely, nearly running them over is a no brain move on the motorists part. Many motorists don't know that cyclists are legally obliged to utilize the roadways and follow the same rules as motorists, which more often results in unsafe behaviors and false accusations. This film merely outlines ignorance of those upholding the law, which unfortunately is embarrasing.
Crypto Patrick , texting while driving is illegal. Bicycling, including 'taking the lane when necessary ' is not.
all the officer wanted to know was if it was a bicycle. the conversation would have gone much differently without the attitude. of course he got more flack the way he started off.
+FnixGhod1 there was no attitude at all. he shouldn't have to produce id unless he's committed a crime, know your rights.
+FnixGhod1 idiot
California law is quite clear: you only need reflectors on bikes when you ride at night. You can ride in the road when there is no space on the right or when there is debris on the roadside or if you are riding as fast as the traffic.
how does your ID help solve his questions about your vehicle.
The proper answer to all their questions should be "I don't answer any questions without my attorney present. If you feel I am in violation of the law then right me a citation. If not, then good day."
Exactly; why answer a few questions like a respectable human being, an adult, when you can be arrogant and argumentative and waste their time and yours by forcing them to drag you into the station and talk to your lawyer. . Idiots. These guys risk their lives for you and all you want to do is shit all over them and use them to beat your chest on youtube.. No respect. Why are some cops dicks ? Because they have to deal with children like you every day.
"Why are you riding this?"
"Because I fucking can."
So awesome when you said "No they repealed that 3 or 4 years ago...' TOO Funny!!!
Funny how the officers parked on the opposite side of the road in the wrong direction isn't that illegal?
HAHAHA Classic!
Cops says he doesnt want to go through the couple hundred bicycle requirements to find out what bikes can do...
"I don't want to cite you" Well I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head to keep you here, you can leave here at any time.
Glad the officer was educated. Taking the lane ensures that vehicles may not try to overtake when unsafe to do so.
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So unfortunate that this officer is completely uninterested in having any of his misconceptions about bicycles and the vehicle code corrected.
safety ticket?
How is they always pull over whatever carrying a camera...Odd...
This police officer is thinking he's speaking from experience but is speaking from total ignorance of velomobles