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Please review the BSP bluetooth controller series
My daughter likes to play Roblox on her iPhone, do any of these controllers mentioned work with the 14 to play Roblox?
Is there any controllers for andriods for the fold 4?
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If I have to remove a case, that's a dealbreaker.
When it comes to convenience? Yeah.
I totally get the appeal though. Maybe you have a new phone and your old one is still very capable so you want to turn it into a dedicated gaming device.
Maybe you have a very slim case or already go ceaseless.
Maybe, as Wulff said, you have a high end phone, like playing mobile games a lot and don't want a separate device.
I'm with you though
â@@Fernando-ek8jp Yeah I'm on team caseless and I love my kishi v2
@@AbimayoXD I can totally see that. I'm too clumsy to go caseless
Donât use a case.
@@DaiChurch I can't tell if you're for real or not.
At best your suggestion is: "Change the way you are used to using your phone on a daily basis just so you can add a specific accessory that you might not use that often"
Cell phone controllers being more expensive than console controllers will always be funny to me.
there are cheap ones. but they are very meh doesnt feel good.
It literally has never made sense to me
Some low end handhelds are cheaper than these higher end phone controllers as well.
Your phone cast more than your console so now what.
@@hellotherenameishere. Let alone hundreds of millions.
The worst part about games that are in the app store specifically is that a ton of them don't even offer controller support as an option.
Yep. Then i discovered keymapping on android handhelds and now i am ripping all the players in multiplayer games hahaa
@maj Thanks for writing this so I didnât have to.
Cod mobile players use from 3 to 10 fingers in comp competitions... So...
Yeah, have no idea why so very few games support controllers. If spending so much time and money developing in game, how hard could it possible be to add controller support? It's after all only a small number of software interfaces to deal with.
@@jang.6097 what do you use to map keys?
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We need a modern Sony Ericsson Xperia Play. A major manufacturer building a slick powerful device with built in controller would be perfect.
Been using a Gamesir X2 Pro with an S23 Ultra for over a year, it takes less than ten seconds to attach. Works flawlessly, and the phone can emulate anything pretty much.
Same with my s23! Its full ps2 in our pockets đź
Is it possible to emulate something on my computer and stream it to my phone and play with the gamersir there?
Yup, lookup sunshine or parsec â@@ruy7164
Same here. Got the Galileo g8 with my s22 ultra and it's flawless, even with a thick case.
I had an x2 pro and it broke within less than a month. Issues with the right joystick and the usb c port. Never getting a usb c controller again, only bluetooth.
I took a phone I no longer use for calling and what not, bought a Gamesir G8 controller, setup a frontend on the device, and now it's a portable gaming handheld for when I go somewhere and I can just play a lot of games on the go without having to lug around some consoles and handhelds.
I can see that being a very valid usecase.
Capable phone that you no longer use? Why not make it into a dedicated gaming device.
This. Old phone plus controller could make you "cheap" alternative for dedicated handheld. I have my old Xiaomi with SD845, decent amount of GC and PS2
Why some consoles and handhelds?
Get somethin like the odin 2 and you have the same options as your phone. Some prefer the aestetic of real connected buttons and a 16:9
@@jang.6097 that's a handheld.
That's a separate, independent device that you have to carry around.
@@Fernando-ek8jp did you read his comment? He took a second phone. So he also has another device right?
Controller on phones are pointless when 99% of developers refuses to add controller support.
Around year 2010 there were a lot of games with controller support, and it went downhill after that.
Hell to this day Genshin does not support controllers on android, only on iOS, it's as if someone is paying them to not do it.
@@lucasLSD I think i know why. Apple Arcade requires controller support.
Android TV don't require it, but all games on Android TV supports controller.
The only ones who ever pushed controller support on Android were Ouya and MOGA. Both companies have been gone for many years. They are probably the reasons why there were so many games with controller support around 2010.
I have a Chinese controller [BSP D9] that natively mimics the signal of PS, Xbox, and switch controllers. So, it's perfect for remote play. I recently got an Android phone [Redmagic 9 Pro] specifically for emulation with Dolphin and Yuzu. This setup allowed me to play Nintendo games for the first time, and it has been serving me great.
I never take the Android phone or the mobile controller out of the house, so the bulkiness is not an issue for my use case. But in general, mobile [emu] gaming has never been better!
BSP is the best and waaay cheaper
I got the D8 a while back and was genuinely blown away by how good it is. For sure, it does feel cheap but it works incredibly well. Hall effect joysticks and triggers in a device I paid like $18 on AliExpress is insane.
I use the Gamesir G8 now, but I've been thinking of grabbing the new one they put out. The D10S with the cooling pad on the back. I almost got the D9 as well, but I personally couldn't get over how much it was trying to look like a dualsense. It felt a bit cheesy imo. Different strokes and all that, I guess. Still, BSP is absolutely killing it.
ââ@@PloopChuteBSP doesn't connect to your phone via USB right? How did you deal with charging your phone while playing? That's my major concern
Sony fixed that problem years ago with the Experia play
Still got one at home, with custom rom and a bigger battery with modified back. Yes, batteries used to be easily removable even in weird phone form factors xD
Probably should've mentioned that Game Pass and Geforce Now will also run just fine with your phone using these devices. In fact, the original Kishi had a version specifically branded with Xbox controller buttons so that it could be used with Game Pass. It works surprisingly well, too.
The Xbox branding is irrelevant any version will work with game pass The PlayStation branding is important because only that version will work with the native remote play app on the Play store
@@ShawnRaz87 Correct. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that he kind of ignored Game Pass and GeForce Now and how this kind of setup is actually a great to access those services.
Back in 2018 or so 14 year old me played Mario kart 64 on my pixel on the plane with my Bluetooth controller and lemme tell you that was freaking amazing
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I had a folding Moga controller when this stuff was new. Horrible device. They are so much better now. I'd love to use my joycons on my fold 2
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How time flies. When I was 14-15 I played Skyrim on a stationary PC. Handheld gaming only existed on handheld consoles like the Nintendo DS Lite đ Born in '94.
â@@Niborino9409the fact that nowadays Skyrim can be played through an Android phone is so wild.
Other pluses of the Backbone is that the triggers are analog, the and you can plug a usb-c cable into the passthrough port and connect the other end into any device and it will work as a wired controller. So if you travel with other, larger devices, you can still use the same controller.
I have that controller, didn't know that about it. Interesting.
There was a company that released a Joy-Con grip that can also hold a phone in landscape mode. It was designed for the Nintendo Switch Online app, which only began to support landscape mode within the last year.
Razer finally learned that offset controls are more comfortable than vertical joycon layout
I feel like the reason you don't understand the market for that controller is because you HAVE all those other handhelds. Plenty of people have expensive and powerful phones because of carrier subsidies, but no gaming handhelds at all. In that case, it seems pretty easy to justify spending under $200 on an attachment for your phone instead of spending even more money on a handheld that will STILL be substantially less powerful than a modern top of the line smartphone. On top of that, if you're the kind of person who upgrades your phone every few years, you get to bring your controller along with you even more powerful device.
if you can justify $200 for attachment at that point justify $300 and get a lcd steam deck.
@@Eskoxo I mean the jump from $150 and $300 is 2x that's not insubstantial
Interesting, the first half of those arguments are reasons I've seen for dedicated handhelds. Many people have cheap phones, especially younger people or they don't like smart phones or want to game without the phone temptation/interruption, and given solid emulation devices that do more than any phone under $500 are like, $150-200 let alone the more expensive ones, if you don't have a high end phone plan situation or sometimes even if you do, a cheaper android handheld makes more sense for many, or a mid range one even.
@@hi_tech_reptiles from my experience most young people have reasonably modern iPhones, or Samsung galaxies. They definitely sell huge volumes of them every year. Carrier plans make it pretty attractive for people, even if they really don't need the performance.
For sure if you don't have a powerful phone and you don't feel that you want one then a dedicated handheld makes sense.
Now with hall effect sticks its even better because It Just last longer than a Common gamepad
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I understand why it's required, but it kind of sucks having to remove and reinsert your phone from its case every time you use one of these devices.
You don't.
My g8 works with a case on my android phone and if your phone case is thicker you can remove a part that's just there for gripping the phone (which you don't need because the case is grippy) and it works with a case.
Kishy is just a terrible value device compared to both gamesir g8 and gamesir x2s and literally no one should buy it.
unless you're using one of those massive waterproof cases. you don't.
I have a galaxy S22 ultra that I use with a mocute 60 and never take the case of when using it.
Just don't get a case, problem solved lol.
@roflBeck and never drop your phone or have infinite money. Easy
here a solution. Remember those sliding phones? like the sony erikson. Could we go back to that. Phones are powerful enough they just need physical buttons built in.
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07:59 Where's Sony with the Xperia Play 2 when you need them?
This thing cost the same price as the new nothing phone đ„¶
You gotta try this on a folding phone. The inner screen has a 5:4 aspect and makes retro games look great. You can also play in split screen and have a video or guide open while playing. Been doing this for years on my galaxy fold 3, and am surprised i haven't seen anybody mention it.
2:13 *casually shows off butterfly*
I want my communication device to be separate from gaming device. When I have the few moments during the week to myself to play games, I want to make them dedicated to gaming and unplugged from the rest of the world.
Two things that make the Razer Kishi Ultra my preference over a ROG Ally:
1. A Foldable Phone
2. Moonlight/Steam Link to remote into your gaming PC
If you already have a gaming PC, and especially if you have a foldable android phone, the Kishi ultra is the device for you. I returned my ROG and now play on a larger screen and delay of around 10ms or less if I'm on the same local network as the gaming PC (I really don't travel much I just like playing handheld in bed)
You should look more into remote gaming! It's much stronger than cloud gaming. The key is to remote into your own hardware
perfect timing, i was looking at controllers for my s24 ultra and by some coincidence you posted this video today.
Buy a gameser g8. I've been in love with it for a while now. It's amazing.
The problem with using your phone as a gaming device is that it's also the same device you use for making calls and getting important texts. So it's kind of hard to do both without worrying you might miss something important while you play.
flagship phones generally have gaming modes to block out those notifications unless you manually set something to bypass it and it often boosts performance toward games. i am not a fan of controller on phone for different reasons but i think your reasoning is flawed for many devices
@@KnowThyWeaknessHe's not saying there isn't a gaming mode option or anything equivalent, his statement is concerning the fact that if you have that mode on, you may miss important calls or messages because you're gaming on the same device used for people to communicate with you that aren't with you in person
@@belikezack Also running down the power on your one-and-only phone in the whole wide world that you use for communication across the whole planet is a less than ideal solution.
For a hundred-ish more dollars you can buy a powerful Android powered handheld gaming device that can play just about anything, emulate just about everything, and if it runs out of power or you rage-smash it you can still make calls on your phone.
Looking at a completely different screen will definitely let you miss some things.
â@@12rennsemmel Not really you still have ears.
I use a clip or bracket that attaches my XBOX controller with my phone. Works really well, especially after pairing it with Mantis Gamepad Pro to map my controller input with touch controls.
I use the backbone for my Sunshine server on my PC and at 10 MB the connection is super solid. Playing Wind Waker HD on my phone with barely any noticable latency, I forget I'm even streaming it. Childhood dream-level shit. Even on a mobile connection if you're ok with a bit of crust, but on a 720p phone screen you're not missing much.
Cloud gaming from your own PC is wayyyyy better than a major provider imo
i wouldn't suggest phone mounts because it's bluetooth instead of wired and the phone is much heavier than the controller making it uncomfortable
I think thereâs actually a lot of promise in this market, itâs just still so new and expensive relative to what you get. If youâre spending $800-1000+ on a powerful phone with a nice screen, and mobile gaming has got a lot of attention and development, it only makes sense to utilize it! With that said, $150 is too much for the compromises you mentioned. It still needs the one thing 99% of phones donât have which is active cooling. Accessories exist for that purpose, but itâs still a nascent category and has its compromises, chief among which for me is that you canât use your own case to fit the controller. To justify the hassle and bulk of carrying it around, it needs to be compatible with phones that have a normal size range of cases, provide active cooling, and at an affordable or sensible price.
Check out the gamesir X4, it's a split controller and it should leave enough room for a cooling fan.
I think if you're getting into peripherals with active cooling or proprietary cases with heat pipes, etc. then you're trying too hard. IMO an Android handheld gaming device like a Retroid Pocket or Ayn Odin would be a better choice for most people because it's a dedicated device built with cooling in mind, has built in controls/grips, it separates the functions of gaming/phone stuff, and generally looks cleaner, more cohesive, wholistic in design than a phone + series of peripherals.
@@Mister_Phafanapolis there are gaming phones like redmagic with active cooling and it's own game launcher, to me the retroid is a waste of money when my phone can do what that can plus more.
It's not new at all, I bought an ipega controller in 2017, it's just that phone devs do not give a shit to add controller support, you will literally only use them with emulators, when I would also want to use it on Honkai Impact or something.
The market is well over 10 years old, chief issues have been software support (Android updates especially frequently break old software and hardware compatibility) and the fact that gaming drains your battery very quickly.
I wish i knew how to modify 3D print files, I've been wanting to do something like the vertical joycon grip you did for my android phone for ages
The biggest barrier to mobile gaming has been software support, software support breaks frequently, especially on Android and it's difficult or impossible for older mobile games to run on modern OSes. This doesn't even get into other massive issues like the app stores, though that would be solvable on Android with a third party app store. The hardware has been here for a long time, we just need the software to settle.
the bottom slide controller is hilarious - taking us back to the sidekick days lol
These are the reasons I like my backbone with a 15 pro:
1. Build quality issues with portable emulators (had an rg35xx and rp3+ become unusable).
2. Convenient to play games on my phone and then add a controller if I need (playing phoenix wright with touch controls then a controller for hades).
3. Light, going on a euro trip soon and a backbone controller is much lighter then a bigger emulator.
4. While I donât use it often, having remote play for ps5 and steam is great.
5. In the future weâll hopefully see GameCube, ps2 and more ports to ios.
GameCube and PS2 emulators won't be coming to the app store unfortunately, because they depend on dynamic recompilation to get any reasonable speed. The app store guidelines still specifically state that dynamic recompilation is against their terms, and that's mostly because it allows for viruses and malicious software to slip through their detection. If they allowed it, app developers could inject code that breaks all of Apple's other rules after the app had already been approved and downloaded onto people's phones.
I just hate the backbone app
@@DubsBrownWhy so?
@@JJKSauce it tries to get you to sign in every time you connect the controller. I got so annoyed I uninstalled the app but if you press the backbone button accidentally it tries to get you to reinstall.
just came from the external progression video. Excited to see more solutions in the future.
I wish someone would make an actual controller phone case, just a case that you put around your phone and then you could just slide it out and have a controller and then slide it back in when your done. That simple. Imo bluetooth sucks I'd rather it be plugged into the USB C already and then the case have a port for USB c if you needed to charge it. I understand that might get quite bulky but personally that's what I want. I've tried using a Bluetooth Controller but there's just way too much lag it's like 1 second lag between clicks and it's awful.
I wanted a Razor Kishi V1 but when I ordered it they gave me a V2 and I didn't like having to take my phone case completely off the V2 to use it so I returned it and never did manage to get a V1. I heard on V1 there was a rubber peice you could remove to use it without taking off your case and I liked how it folded up into a combat form because I found a case online for it to put it in for travelling.
Edit: I kinda posted this before finishing the video and you did show one similiar to what I said lol
Not only that, but now you need different cases for different phones and that's a whole other issue
@@Fernando-ek8jp true every phones different that would be a huge pain...
@@FerinaAryele The m-con (look it up, it's a guy on CZcams making his own prototype) seems to have a neat idea though: a magsafe compatible one.
Not all phones have magsafe since it's an apple thing, but a lot of cases have magsafe compatible magnets.
It's Bluetooth right now though, but at least in my experience those have worked fine for me.
@@Fernando-ek8jp that looks great but I use android now I'm done with apple devices
@@FerinaAryele well, but the only "apple" thing is the magsafe, not the interface. It's just a normal xinput controller.
Again, there are android phones and cases that have a compatible magnet array, so those could work.
I have a pixel phone, went on Amazon to look, I can get a case with magsafe compatible magnets for $20
I'm using the gamesir g8 lately, it's honestly really good. I don't need to remove my case on my pixel 6, game streaming performance from my PC is fantastic with moonlight and sunshine (I played through a lot of elden ring on it), and it's cheaper than most options while being very comfortable.
Hall Effect is not a buzzword like Ai
it means that it will not drift
some people are upset with the fact that normal controllers will eventually drift especially if you spend +100$ on a pro / ultra whatever controller ( i had a ps5 controller that started drifting immediately after the return window closed and that did upset me a lot )
and Hall Effect controllers do solve this problem
and personally i will never buy a controller that doesnt have Hall Effect Analogs and Hall Effect Triggers
no more headaches for me
I would put up with any of the inconveniences you mentioned if it wasn't for one major problem that you seem to have overlooked: No powerful phones have expandable storage anymore. If one of these controller grips had a built in SD slot for storing roms I may not have bothered buying a Steam Deck
A phone with a controller and a Steamdeck aren't really comparable products, even if the prices overlap. They're similar but they're not really the same product class.
Mid range phones do have expandable storage and can emulate just fine. Got gsmarena and filter by card slot.
@@jorge69696 That's fair, but I don't want to be stuck with a mid-range phone for my main device or have two phones just for this reason
Try out the GameSir G8 Galileo, it's like this controller but better
YES! Bob, you NEED to check out some GameSir products!
You didn't mention the PlayStation Phone, the Xperia Play that released way back in 2011. It had a slide out Gamepad built into the phone, and I have waited SO LONG for companies to attempt this again. Alas, none have bothered. It would be my ideal phone, and with modern streaming apps and good emulation, now would be the perfect time to release one. The slideout gamepad case has much potential and I can't wait to see where that goes from here.
Oh, I've been curious about this one. I've owned a few Moga controllers and grips, some various controller adapters, and recently a Backbone or two! đ
Was thinking of an iPad mini since it has pencil support to finally retire my old pro and gen 1 pencil.
The fact that this controller can work with it might convince me to pull the trigger.
When traveling a kishi v2 and my 15 pro max is pretty awesome
The controller that eternal progression is making is really convenient. It's pocket-able and Magsafe compatible, it means, you don't have to remove your case. Just attach or detach on-the-go.
It is absolutely convenient to have a mobile phone and a handheld console with you! Who tf wants their gaming interrupted by a text or a phone call? Nobody.
I ended up settling on playing games on my phone using an 8bitdo SN30 Pro while traveling. Small enough to toss in a carry on bag and not taking up a lot of space while also being a good controller input for games like Genshin etc when I'm away from my PC.
Hey just wanted to say I have loved the vids for a few years now, and plan to stick with you. Thanks for the content and keep it up.
Loved the video. One thing I want to note though is, I swapped out the Kishi v2 that came with the Razer Edge and having been using this one instead. Its a beautiful combo. As for my iPhone, I'm using the new Scuf Nomad for that one. As a father of two small kids, I'm loving both setups right now.
I think another point towards dedicated handhelds are that phone storage is just very precious. A ton of phones don't have expandable storage (i think this is abhorrent but that's another conversation) so if you download apps and games you're taking tons of space. My little RP4 pro is nice cuz I'm not wasting my phone's battery and it has its own storage so i can put all my games there. I like phone controllers but i would rather have my phone for phone stuff and my gaming handheld for gaming stuff.
bro an ipad mini with some of the good apple arcade games, some really good n64 and gba games and some good app store games would probably be so sick with a kishi.
Me. I specifically want to buy this as a gaming handheld for the iPad mini. Iâve been using a joycon adapter for it for years. Moonlight on the iPad mini is an incredible gaming experience and I recommend anyone give it a go. Definitely going to pick this up.
Iâve had the Kishi Ultra for a few days and paired it with my Lenovo Y700 2024 (import). Itâs been an absolute monster - it basically becomes what you dreamed the PlayStation Portal would be
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Maybe if you tried the bsp d8 or d10 you would change your mind since they are very cheap and have pretty much every feature you could ask for
I've been playing a lot more on my phone after I bought a Gamesir X2S. This combined with my Android phone was a budget solution to play emulation, some indie ports and remote play.
Honestly i kinda found a niche with this controllers.
I need a secondary controller when my friends are in my house, or i want to play with my brother or family. But I also want to play games with my Moto G200 when I just do not want to go to the pc. I bought 2 BSP-D3 that works with Bluetooth and USB-C and they are nice.
Now I bought a G8 Gallileo, which doesn't have a easy way to connet to pc (is funny how the 8$ bsp-d3 has usbc for data and the 55$ not), but it sort of can via a usb female to female, then usbc to usbc. So, I think for a secondary controller that you can use in everything they are actually really nice.
For me, I think the biggest thing that currently holds back a lot of dedicated phone controllers is that you donât have the ability to change the orientation of the screen on-the-fly.
Yes, most games run in landscape mode by default. But *most* games isnât the same as *all* games. And more importantly, it stifles the developersâ ability to take full advantage of both orientations.
So maybe sometime down the line, someone should try to invent a phone controller that has a built-in swivel. That way, everyone can truly the convenience these controllers are supposed to offer with few or no compromises.
I bought a 50$ phone with a snapdragon 845 and use it as a dedicated gaming device. phones are so plentiful and cheap im glad there are controllers for everything from heavy gaming ergonomics to pocketable phone controllers.
One scenario I see myself using my phone with a controller like the Backbone One instead of a portable emulation machine like a Steam Deck or a PlayStation Vita is RetroAchievements, specifically while on the go. Those require you to be connected to the internet, and then running the game on the phone and strapping the controller - even if you need to remove the case, which is the case of the Backbone One, at least the old generation I have here - is more convenient then getting your phone, setting up a mobile hotspot, getting your other emulation device and connecting to it.
Use case: I have emulators set up on my phone and computer. I use Syncthing to sync the save files. Real hardware, I'd have to spend time dumping the save files if I wanted them to sync.
Playing through Pokémon 3DS games right now, and once you reach 3DS tier, it seems more economical to just use a good, strong, longer phone than a handheld that you have to switch views or settle for small dual screens.
The 2nd edition Backbone for my iPhone 15 makes sense to me because I want to give mobile gaming a shot WITH a better experience for my hands. I played with the idea of a controller attachment because I have controllers laying around but having a dedicated phone controller - that also works on my PC (When you tried to connect the kishi, backbone has native support using the usb-c port at the bottom of the right side of the controller) is a more viable portable solution for travel that works better than bringing a separate controller with me. Perfect for a long trip and I have my laptop or my tablet - I can use it like any other controller and works.
i mainly turned my phone into something that does handheld games up to psp and consoles up to the n64 (minus those n64 decomps) my steam deck is mostly for pc games and gamecube and up and 3ds for ds and 3ds (i canât stand using a single screen device for dual screen games)
As someone who owns an ROG phone 5, I actually worked some bits of my DOBE controller to align with the 2nd usb c port. now I just slide my phone in and out like a switch, and its freaking amazing.
I rock the gamesir x2 because it connects via bluetooth and has a ridged back so my phone feels supported. Being able to use it as a controller for my PC when I was in the hospital was brilliant, and tossing it in my bag takes up less space than my Switch Lite
Got some sick on controls and buttons that for in a tiny pocket case for quick use, and a Bluetooth bsp-d8 for more involved stuff
All a controller needs is 2 analogs and 4 shoulder buttons, but the analogs under the phone and the triggers over it, the rest of the buttons can be mapped into the screen, for the "feeling" you can have a screen protector with some groover where the buttons would be, using gyroscope is a must, you get the camera very sensible and to have a better aim set up the gyroscope to give that last adjust before a headshot.
Thanks for being there
Still rocking my Anbernic RG351P. It does everything I need for mobile gaming.
I have a Bluetooth snes style controller that identifies as a switch pro controller. Slim and fits in my pocket. Got it on AliExpress for $15 and it's never given me any issues.
I missed a side-to-side comparison with the gamesir G8, witch is the more similar in form factor
I've enjoyed a time with the RP3+, the first gen kishi, and a generic bt telescopic controller that got some recommendations a few years back, but the gamesir G8 was the first one that got me really going for it and enjoying steamlink more in addition to emulators. It's a bit bulkier than the RP3+ and other controllers (just like the kishi ultra), but there is plenty space in my backpack and my phone is a more capable device anyway.
Plus, I enjoy the xbox-like shape, even for retro gaming, the lower dpad is no issue to me
I haven't considered a magsafe controller grip but that makes the most sense to me. Then the selling point is the home console level ergonomics which beats both touch controls and most dedicated handhelds. btw this may sound obvious if you already know, but it needs to be said: there are magsafe cases for Android phones too, it's not iPhones exclusive tech.
I tried a few of these. My favorite is a bsp d8 I got from aliexpress for like $30. It's not perfect. Not very portable. But I played super Mario Wonder on my phone with it and loved it.
My phone is for calls, texts, books, manga, maps, grocery lists, recording voice notes and song ideas, and occasional low-quality pictures. The only gaming it does is running Rekado once in a while to boot CFW on my Switch. I prefer a dedicated device for retro games, like a Zazzbizzle.
Since I still use a Huawei P30 Pro as my main phone for 5 years now, the Razer Junglecats are the way to go. Not great for ergonomic, but super portable. And with the special 3D printed carrying middle piece I designed, it's easy and safe to just pop them on a small bag like a fanny bag or even a large pocket, since the 3d printed middle piece provides protection for the sticks, something the original middle piece doesn't.
One gripe I have using attached controller on phone is that it does not have any useful active cooling solution to the phone. I once tried Gamesir X3 on my Poco F3 and it doesn't help with the thermal throttling issue. This is one reason why I am ordering an Odin 2 now.
triggers have been "hall effect" for years, like atleast since the xbox 360
Instead of using the razer kishi ultra use the gamesir g8 controller and cut off the rubber pieces that cradle the phone to let any phone with cases work and way cheaper and better
Gyroscope aiming is underrated! takes like a day or two to get the hang off but when you do... it's almost on par if not, on par with mouse. You turn analog up full to turn faster and use the gryoscope for the actual aiming/shooting! it's awesome.. I started using it in Breath of Wild and now I use it on everything that supports it! it IS literally cheating
Once you get used with gyro you can't go back to aim on analog sticks. Gyro should be a standard native feature in games by now. Most people think it's just a Nintendo gimmick.
@@rafaelsantosx Even if it was a Nintendo gimmick, it's STILL better lmao. people a silly.
There are people even use the right-hand joycon on PC because they prefer the gyro aim over mouse. I mean make hense, it's pretty the same but no friction, mouse needs a surface
â@@Dracorientalis I'm all for gyro but I can't imagine rocket jumping with gyro aim
@@spagootest2185 yeah lol I imagine that would take a lot more practice. Not impossible though...
I have a backbone and a GameSir G8. Both really great for different use cases.
i am friends with an iphone designer guy and he can't say much publicly but he has mentioned cases really do decrease the battery lifespan (because of poorer thermals).
wow this is amazing information to hear
A caser that works with all the controllers is the Pitaka Aramid. Expensive, but worth it.
For me, it's the power gaps. You have to buy a very specific device that will emulate every console you want without any hiccups. Emulation handhelds are really weird when it comes to performance, two devices can have the same internals but have random problems with random games on the same emulators. With a phone, you've already bought a relatively powerful device and can gage your limitations immediately. Also, with a phone, you're carrying your library on you without thinking about it. With a dedicated handheld, you have to consciously have it ready to go since it isn't as important. And if you carry around a bag for your extra tech, suddenly carrying a controller becomes equally as convenient.
My very first smartphone was the Sony Xperia Play that had a slide out controller built-in. Roms were fun to play. It also had crash bandit pre installed. It was awesome!
I bought the Kishi Ultra and I have an iPad mini 6. Iâm pushing 50 so gaming on my phone is tough for my older eyes. Donât knock gaming on the iPad mini with this thing until you try it!
For phone controllers, the Nacon Mg-x Pro (the xbox one) is so good. Genuinely console feeling buttons and sticks, holds my Fold 5 perfectly
Galileo G8 with the Galaxy Fold 4 has been pretty stellar. Fold direction is more palatable with the larger controller, and i already don't use a case with it usually. Plus it has a PS mode as a quick swap feature so its compatibility is hard to beat.
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I can't tell you how many times I've gone back and forth about getting a controller for my phone, just for the sake of portable emulation... But then I come to my senses and realize it's not that big a deal for the amount of headaches I might have to go through just to get the shit up and running. Plus, I still have my Nintendo switch
For years I tried to make phone controllers work for me. I had a Moga, a Flydigi, and even got a clip to attach my phone to an Xbox controller. They all work, but they're just not that convenient. One thing I really don't like about gaming on a phone is, if it's your primary phone, you also have to use it for calls, texting, and looking stuff up. If you're in the middle of a gaming session and get a text or an email, it interrupts you and you might lose progress. Native mobile games are designed around this but for a gaming device I want it to be dedicated to gaming and nothing else.
Gyro aiming is so clutch. Best part of my Breath of the Wild playthrough was standing in the kitchen playing in handheld mode, feeding my 1 year old in between sections of fighting Vah Ruda, and twirling around to shoot cryonis at the ice blocks coming from all angles. Ever since, if a game doesn't support gyro natively (and I hate when PS ports don't!) I always try to finagle some gyro aiming with the Steam Deck or DualSense through Steam Input. Even if it's not full spinning around like BotW and TotK (some of the best gyro aiming out there), making little tweaks for headshots or such is so easy with gyro compared to trying to make tiny moves on a thumbstick.
Gyro 4 eva!
I would've love to have a phone controller with an MMC slot. Some alleged gaming phones still come with 128-256 gb storage. If you wanna play switch games via emulation, HOYO games, wuthering waves and AAA ports, that storage will ran out quick
Then a controller with installed cooling fan. These phones can get REALLY hot.
Bonus will be a controller with a power bank installed. So you can you use to use the charge separation option of your phone
The first phone controller I got (Moga PowerA) does have a battery, but it's a standard Bluetooth controller that can clip the phone to the top. I find those top heavy, but it is handy as another Bluetooth controller.
Remember to keep the guy behind the M-Con on your radar, dudeâs got a crazy good concept for a mobile controller that attaches to the back thru MagSafe and I think itâs gonna blow anything else outta the water!
The razer kishi v1 is probably the best one.
$30-40, you don't have to remove your case (unless you have a super chunky case on), it's small, the only downside is that the dpad is squishier than a marshmallow.
I am using gamesir g8 galileo and it is amazing. I dont have to remove case
Ps remote play works with joycons if you connect them after connecting to the console. And then the buttons are flipped so thereâs a brain rewiring thing you have to do
For Z Fold 4 users: Put your phone in "tent" position or use it like a laptop. (To use one screen you need to go into selfie mode, unfold, then tab out of camera and close it. They really need to make this easier to do). Then just sync a dualsense and tadah it works. (On controller supported games)