Why Champ School is Worth it for YOU a Street Rider
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Street riders sometimes think that a track-based riding school wouldn't be applicable to them, and in many cases, they are correct. But after taking the online Champ U online courses, I suspected that the Yamaha Champions Riding School might be different. So we made our way to Inde Motorsports Ranch to see for ourselves.
In this video, I'll discuss why track time is so valuable for street riders, but also, why Yamaha Champions Riding School was unlike anything I've seen before. Not only did the YCRS do things differently compared to many of the other track riding schools I've attended, they presented information in a new and far more understandable way than I'd ever seen. As a result, I was able to improve my personal riding in ways I hadn't expected.
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0:00 The Limits of Parking Lot Training
1:37 Most Track Schools are Racing Schools
3:19 The Track as a Learning Environment
4:43 What Makes YCRS Different
5:52 Why We Study The Worlds Best Racers
6:34 Track Techniques vs. Street Techniques
7:52 What I Learned at the School
9:20 My Advice For Future Students
10:31 Final Thoughts
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I am 74yrs old with 50 yrs of riding motorcycles under my belt, but what you are doing is the BEST thing that I have seen anyone do. young man, you are awesome.
I love the choice of words in your scripts. This time the jewel for me is: “we are not dying on parking lots”. 👍
Yessss 🙌🏽
Taken the online course and highly recommend it. I'm an inexperienced rider, but understanding the concept of 100 points of grip, loading the tire before working the tire, and trail braking puts me ahead of some more experienced riders, for sure.
I love how despite posting all sorts of instructional videos you let us know that you are still willing to learn yourself.
The best riders in the world are constantly learning and working on improving. Complacency is our enemy!
I took the YCRS course at INDE a few years back and my favorite takeaway was; "You'll never hope your way through a corner again". I've enjoyed my riding so much more ever since. Nick and his crew are great instructors and a fun bunch to boot. Do this course if at all possible. Seriously it will change and possibly save your life and you will fall in love with riding all over again.
I had read Nick’s articles and watched some videos about trail braking and it changed everything.When Champ U came out I signed up immediately.It’s a gift to motorcycling. So we’ll done ,So much great information.I Hope to be able to attend YCRS soon . You are also putting out life saving information and have my total respect. Keep the videos coming. And Thank you.
One very important skill I learned from experience that could not be taught on a parking lot was how to stop, hold the clutch, and take off on a hill without rolling backwards. This is one invaluable skill I taught my son after he graduated at the top of his class from his beginning course. I'm fully in agreement with this video and I highly appreciate it.
You make a really good point. Another thing I see a lot of is about chicken stripps and knee dragging. On the road, you don't need to drag your knee or use all your lean angle to ride fast on the twisties. I'm 47, been a biker for 22 years. I've never gotten the knee down and have always had "chicken stripps" yet I've always been able to match the quickest bikers I've ridden with, even when I had the smallest bike, a cb 400 SF. yes they would gap me on the straights but I'd catch them easily on the twisties.
You are spot-on. I call chicken-strips my "margin of error"
@@CanyonChasers oh I like that name
I own 2 naked bikes with different tire brands. On the Bridgestone: no chicken strips. On the Pirelli chicken strips… If they meant something, I would either have chicken strips on both bikes or none on both… Sure, some riders with the same bike on Pirellis have narrower chicken strips than I have on my bike, but, at the end of the day, I want to get safe home to take care about my son!
Absolutely right. I get a chuckle out of riders dragging a knee at 60 mph.
@@mojosdad68 it's just dick measuring hahaha
1st thing-thanks for getting the Chase cameo in the video in there early-loved it. 2nd-you are a breath of fresh air- I love how you give props to another instructor/school. It shows you are simply interested in the truth-not being better or smarter than the competition. Much respect. I love Nick-super smart guy and great teacher. And I love your teaching style too. I’ve learned so much from you. I’m a much better rider because of YOU! Thanks! I would love to ride with you some day, some how.
Happy holidays!
-Chase’s second greatest admirer.
Thank you so much!! I almost forgot to sneak him in there, but I knew if I forgot, you'd be disappointed. I couldn't disappoint you again!
I really envy you guys, for having so many options and resources in motorcycle training. Where I live, even track days are few and far between. There are no open parking lots on weekends and after hours. I'm glad Champions School released Champ U - now I can try and practice by myself whenever a track day comes by. Thanks for the great videos, CanyonChasers!
I've been anticipating this video ever since I saw the YCRS live stream on facebook
showing you sitting in the video review class. I have heard/read nothing but good from
everyone who attends this school. Being a "working man" trying to just survive coming
up with the investment to attend is not an option for me right now but, I did invest the
the very small amount of money for the online ChampU course and I am very impressed
with it. I'm very happy to hear you repeat what everyone else is saying about their own
experience with YCRS. I am hoping I will sooner rather than later be able to afford the
investment in my riding and attend the full class/school.
Thanks so much and keep yourself safe! 😃👍❤️🏍
Randy
Me too and I’ve watched it 3 times…I pick up something new every single time…great course for us working folks that just love to ride but want desperately to be better.
I teach BRC1 and I always point my students to you channel. I try to emphasise to my students that BRC1 is the BASEMENT and there is so much more out there and that in order to be a safer, faster rider who has more fun it is paramount to continue training and education. I like to pepper in YCRS points either after my classes or during breaks and it's amazing to watch the gears turn in the students heads when I show them the 100 points of grip with a take off tire, or how body position can reduce lean angle and thus reduces risk. Thank you for sharing and doing what you do.
Thank you!! We need more MSF instructors like yourself!!
Preach brother, preach! Well done and big props for your very well thought out and honest take on what it really takes to learn how to ride properly. Totally agree with YCCS, their program is outstanding! I'm doing their online course and amazed at stuff I thought I knew. Hope to attend their in person school someday soon!
I always look forward to your thoughtful videos.
YCRS has several options for learning.
Its a long way for me.
I started CHAMPU recently-good stuff of course.
Doing wheelies in front of cops with their full support - priceless!!!
I like that photo.
I've been doing the Champ-U course. Flying to the states to attend in person is now on the bucket list.
Mandalorian music was timed perfectly. Great video!
Thanks for another great video and recommending the Yamaha training school. I take all of teachings to heart and practice what you teach. Thank you!
Did the Yamaha Champ U online class for $50 and there is no better way to spend time or money. Can't recommend it highly enough.
Absolutely awesome and well delivered content! There are less than a handful of people doing videos on motorcycle riding. After watching probably hundreds of videos, yours are top of the shelf. 👊
Thank you!!
I gotta do a lot of track training to familiarize street riding. As an incoming rider, your videos are giving me a lot of insight. Kudos to your channel!
Another excellent video!! Keep'em comin' brother!!
You explained that so well, and you are 100% right
Great video. Nice work as usual. Great riding with you and I hope to ride with you again!
Would love to take YCRS in person. Just not feasible. Did the online class about a month ago. Excellent stuff! Find myself referring back to the content often. Will benefit all riders regardless of experience.
Great video. Love “This is the way” reference with subtle theme music in background haha
awesome commentary about the track/real world riding.
Well played
I was relieved to finally hear a well respected rider talk about slow speed parking lot exercises having limited benefit in higher speed twisties. Parking lot exercise can be really helpful, but some youtubers have been overselling them.
Thanks 👍
Snake oil sells well these days, why not parkin lot courses
@@How2Desmo The guys I watch who promote parking lot exercises have good intentions and I've learned from them and so I'm glad they are out there. I just agree with Canyon chasers that formal training at a track would be more beneficial to people who want to learn to ride fast. I suspect the guys who promote parking lot drills would agree.
Nice vid, and good background info. I'm not doing the full 2 day camp, but I am doing the single day street course in June.
I signed up for Champ Street in March and have been on ChampU for a while now. I’m super excited about learning more and glad to hear your perspective. For me, I want to gain more confidence riding the canyons on my Guzzi V7. So I’m taking my bike to Champ Street, these guys definitely teach based on data and that’s reassuring vs gut feel 😊
Man, I adore those V7s!! You'll love the class.
Hey, good video
I did the Champ online course last winter while waiting for the good weather to come around again. I found the teachings within the program to be so grounding. Just the basic online helped me focus on the basics and how to bring those fundamentals into my day to day riding. I'm a decent rider as it stands with years of on and off road experience. Since I've purchased my first real streetbike and have applied those simple techniques, I feel that my riding as improved a little more. Reinforcing the techniques I grew up doing (where introduction "parking lot" schools steered me wrong). Every ride I come out pleased with one corner or find I can work on something, based on the little bit of knowledge I gained from the Yamaha school of riding.
I hope to one day to actually participate in an actual track event with the champ school. I can't express enough of how much can be learned and applied from the Yamaha program.
My mantra for today... "Yamaha School of Riding!! "
I try to implement YCRS tools every single ride. That along with your instructional videos, reading about how to corner better and understanding through practice has been so helpful. I have the benefit of being minutes away from Lake Mead National Park and miles of twisting roads along with 6 degree descents into the various launch sites. I literally practice daily and my riding is better for it.
*Well done!* Much appreciated.
Your comments are spot on imo. Having said that, my overall ability level is low enough that I am able to benefit from several top level track based riding schools. However, I specifically avoid the ones that strickly adhere to the slow, look, press and lean philosophy of cornering to the exclusion of trail braking.
As well you should. Trail braking is an excellent tool in one's proverbial tool belt.
Like life the value of honesty is irreplaceable 💯 % Great information for all Riders who are interested & considering personal improvement 👌
I like this perspective, the difference between good and currency in riding vs proficiency. Am amazed at how aviation and motorcycling to be are parallel. Thanks 👍🏿
I am going! Thanks buddy. You are the best.
So true. Well explained 👍
Thanks again and again coach just completed
Champ U game changer so many jewels.
Another great video. I’d love be to take a course like this, but as far as I know we have nothing similar in Canada.
On a side, I have recommended your channel to many new riders looking to learn.
We are so lucky in the UK to have access to Police Bike Safe days (for extremely low cost) which is a mix of road riding and class room time. As somebody who also does many track days as well along with training. Sounds very similar to the training you were discussing. Great video
Fantastic video, well explained. I am half way through champ u. It’s amazing and nick is brilliant. I agree with you regarding other programs. A fair bit seems to have changed over time ie twist of wrist 2
Awesome video Dave!! Was an incredible weekend and I couldn't agree more with everything you said in this video. Great to meet and ride with you! And was fun to point at my screen like "that's me!" at a couple points in this video ;)
Yeah, I thought you might appreciate that. It was indeed a great weekend and I thought you added a lot to the class. You had really thoughtful comments and observations during the school!
@@CanyonChasers thank you; glad to have added something haha!
You are going to be a force to be reckoned with next year, most likely to win the Group C championship!
I'm in Maryland. The champ school was run in Pittsburgh and at a track in New Jersey late this past summer. Due to work schedule I was not able to drag the bike(s) to either location. It would be nice if they offered the courses multiple times at these venues instead of only once. I'll take the online course over the winter and hope they roll over to the eastern part of the country again. Thanks for awesome content and an honest perspective.
Are you going to Pittsburgh August 15th?
Anything to be a safer, better rider and I'm in. Thanks for the videos.
I've done Reg Predmore, Keith Code, and Lee Parks courses...came away with valuable lifelong improvements with each. At 56, YCRS is definitely on my list, irrespective of the cost, as I still have personal barriers to cross as well. Also highly recommend Nick's book to all. Thanks for an excellent video here.
ChampStreet, May 2022, NJMP
CAN"T WAIT!!!
One of the best if not the best road craft channels, and I have followed plenty. if you reading this you are in the right place
Thank you!!!
The best teaching in CZcams
Hey, thanks a lot for the Champ U coupon!!😃
You are an amazing God motorcycle coach. Thank you for your time and tips. I've became a new member.
Job well done buddy 👋
Welcome aboard!
Keeping at 6/10 or less on the street keeps you alive. I use the zip tie on the front fork to see how much suspension travel I'm using on canyon rides and if I'm potentially going over that road limit.
Good information
"Track schools" are mostly run by old guys with years of using those old skills! Great video. Thank you.
Did my first trackday in my 50s. First time in my life I could ride without fear of oncoming traffic. Did it make me faster? No. Just made me realize why others thought I ride too fast 😆
I need to do one of these classes.
YCRS has an excellent online course priced at $50 with the same instructors. This is a must watch course for everyone who rides and is also a great primer for anyone who will be attending the track course.
Totally agree!!
I recently signed up for their Street Riding Class for the exact same reason. Riding around a parking lot isn't teaching me to properly ride in the twisties. I am now taking the on-line course and it's pure gold. I already see a difference in my riding just from that. I can't wait to take the in-person course in May.
Taking it at Streets of Willow in November!
Ya, that's what I need. Read Any Curve!
Motojitsu probably will not agree with the introduction 😂😂 i'm joking! Thanks as Always for you observations and notions!
Moto Jitsu does a lot of track work in addition to the parking lot stuff
Starting to feel like this Yamaha school is the ticket for learning all around riding, street or track.
I’m right there with you. I’ve been going through the ChampU course from your recommendation and just signed up for Champ Street in Pittsburgh in August. Two days of riding just to get there. Gonna do the course on my T7. How cool is that?
Seriously cool!!
Tim, I’ll see you there. Just signed up tonight.
Being a MotoJitsu follower too, I agree,
Usually dying from speeding through corners. Go the speed limit and watch the posted corner speeds people and don’t accelerate until you can see your exit.
The speed limit isn't always a solid indicator. I've been on roads where there was no way I could go as fast as the speed limit. But you are spot on about waiting until you can see your exit. I really wish more programs taught this.
In New Zealand almost all roads are two lane roads that wind through rural landscapes. Almost all of these roads have a speed limit of 100km/hour. Even in a four wheel cager attaining any way near the posted speed limit would be unlikely. Reading the corner, trail braking if needed until you are at the speed you are comfortable with and the beast between your legs is pointed in the direction you want to go is confidence inspiring.
I remember riding into Montana. Two lane alpine road, right at the top of the pass was Speed Limit 55 - right into an unmarked decreasing radius off-camber 2nd gear left with a cliff drop off. At the same time I've ridden roads with 30 mph advisories that were easily 60-70 mph sweepers.
I'm from the UK, really surprised in America you get a motorcycle licence from just having lessons in a car park 😯
Yeah. Me too. It's crazy. But also, some datasets suggest that 80% of our Basic Rider Course grads DO NOT go on to buy a motorcycle - which is super tragic.
Apex trackdays we’re awesome
We are awesome!!
Have you been to CSS how they are with level 1,2,3 and 4 compared to YCRS. I have taken champ U, it was great fore me.
I have been to CSS. I'll leave it at that. :)
How about California Superbike school? is it as good or do I need to book a ride to YCRS?
I've done them both... I would strongly encourage you to consider YCRS.
@@CanyonChasers it looks like I’ll have to find the way to leave wife and kids and pray that it is going to match YCRS schedule :) I was hoping that somebody was going to comment that they were similar, and I don’t need to leave the state...oh well, what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger! Lol
Just curious what type of bikes people bring to Champ School? Do most people rent the R6 school bike?
Well, "Yamaha" Champ School has bikes you can rent, which is why you see so many R6's 😎 But you can bring any bike you want! (as long as it passes the basic safety inspection)
This isn’t the first time I’ve heard how great Yamaha Champions Riding School was…I’m curious about the viability of their On-line course (which is only like, a hundred bucks.)
Looking for feedback on that one.
I did a whole video on it. It's what lead me to taking the two-day riding school. It's pretty great: czcams.com/video/C0MVAQsHNvo/video.html
@@CanyonChasers Cool! Thank you!
I had a question on ChampU online course -
Do they just talk about the topics or actually demonstrate it? For example, handlebar grip and Rev-matching while braking is easy to talk about but difficult to demonstrate.
Lots of demonstrations, and even drills that you can practice on your own.
0:36 is the left bike on the kickstand ?
Yep. Cops are weird.
Hmmm. You may not be affiliated with anyone but this really sounds like an advertorial, unfortunately. I do agree that everyone should be doing more structured training to improve themselves and their safety margins. Either way, keep up the good work as I find your channel one of the better US motorcycle training sites.
Its more like I was really stoked to find such a reptutable organization that was basically inline with what I feel like I've been shouting into the void about for ten years. So, you'll have to forgive my excitment. It's like when you find a bike that really works for how you ride. :D
Yep i agree. This channel is more & more like the....YCS promotional... Keith Code California Superbike School dirtying down channel.
Hello, can we use trail braking technique in rainy weather and wet roads?
Yes, of course and I recommend it. But realize you have less available grip, so just like you can't accelerate as hard or abruptly on wet roads, the same goes for braking. Your speeds should come down and you really gotta' be smooth.
@@CanyonChasers Thank you so much. 🙏
Any thoughts on California Superbike School?
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California Superbike School is owned and run by Keith Code - I can take a guess about what Canyonchasers thinks of their content by reading between the lines of most Dave's videos. 90% of this channel is trying to undo the damage caused by Keith Code and his antiquated anecdotal techniques. CSS is still teaching riding the way he did it in the mid 1970s; YCS is using modern methods and actual data to develop a curriculum that has measurable outcomes. I know which one I'd rather take.
@@CanyonChasers lol
Amazing video, but i'm not sure i'd agree with the statement that motogp leaves no room for individual style. I'm by no means an expert or even semi-knowledgeable but I'm pretty sure there is a certain, albeit small, difference in how some of them ride
Yeah. I cut out the part where I talked about that in more detail because it was getting a bit long. Basically most of the difference are adaptations to bike and/biomechanical difference. Like Colin Edwards has a long neck. Rossi has long legs, especially compared to Lorenzo, etc. But you'll also see them completely change "style" if it helps them win. Rossi was amazing at this how he changed and adapted over the course of his career.
But that seemed a bit long winded in a video where I'm trying to appeal to street riders. :).
@@CanyonChasers very respectable. Thanks for the amazing content :) I'm actually going to a small track nearby this Saturday so I'll try to keep my eyes out to try this stuff out
Took course overall happy but did not receive individual attention to my needs:
Took course in April 2021? Wilcox Arizona
Would you recommend or not recommend California Superbike School?
In my experience, I have found that some of the techniques they teach are somewhat outdated and may increase risk.
@@CanyonChasers Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with me. I value your opinion. I live in West Tennessee and Im considering what track day school I should attend this year. I’ve been riding for years but have only done 2fast at The Ridge in Washington and one other track day. It was an informative day and I had my own instructor. I’ve been looking at schools at Barber Motorsports. Looks like Champ School will be in NC. Much higher price though.
Truth be told, Champ Street, especially in addition to taking Champ U, you’ll get 90% of the information. But a lot less track time and subsequent coaching.
One of the things that made Champ School really stand out to me was I was put in a group of like riders. Three students to one coach. I got a crazy amount of attention. Vs. other programs I’ve done where they put a sticker on your helmet to make sure a coach talks to every student at least once. Which usually ends up that decent riders get mostly ignored while all the attention goes to the really awful or the really amazing riders.
@@CanyonChasers So I really lucked out when I had 1 on 1 instruction all day at 2 fast in Washington. Granted, my instructor may have been more of a racer than an instructor he still elevated my riding to heights I hadn’t been to before. It was well worth the money spent for me.
Bro, There's are no canyons in southern Texas, 🙃
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@@CanyonChasers 😆. Love your content, Informative, Relevant, Honest, Humble. Over all the people that post cyclist content Canyon Chasers is the channel that I turn to to learn the things I need to know about riding, And being a good responsible rider. 5 thumbs up 🙂
Thank you!!
Really late apexing a corner you dont know is some secret knowledge? Like its 4th page of skip barber get faster book
Ok, I'll bite: anyone doing something along these lines in Europe?
Do you guys think I can convince my wife that I need to blow 3000$ on flying there from Europe, participating on this course then flying home? I'll definitely try and keep you updated.
Normally I'd say to go with "it's cheaper than an injury", but you guys have better healthcare that we have...
Umm, consider asking your wife if SHE would like to vacation over here. That at least will be step 1 in convincing your wife to invest your time and money in improving your motorcycling skill set. Even if she says, no, you've planted the seed in her mind. BTW, ask her while taking her out to dinner. Good luck!
Want to get better faster?
Start riding motocross.
I've always found it easy to convince people to go to a track day, but they get hesitant to go onto dirt... Until they do.
Then they're hooked.
Totally agree. I think you'll like this video we just did: czcams.com/video/yemS81UUQLk/video.html
Only school emphasizing trail braking!
Please talk about their “virtual” class, maybe in another vid? Even though I totally get the value of YCRS, I just don’t have the thousands to spend on their fee and travel/accommodations. Thanks Dave… t
They also have their champ street one day course. Much more affordable with your bike and your street gear. Same instructors and teaching the same techniques.
Sorry you missed that video from a bit ago. Buy that's the video that lead to this one. czcams.com/video/C0MVAQsHNvo/video.html
@@CanyonChasers actually, I did see that (heh).
Thanks for the link, and the subsequent reiteration it provided.
Like you, I am/was concerned that it was just going to be an amalgam of everything I'm gleaning from the sources already available from the books Total Control, Proficient Motorcycling, from your channel and from all the other top tier you tube coaches I watch.
But I take your advice in that vid (and all of them), that the value found in comprehensive, linear and carefully expressed knowledge is greater when organized and presented and absorbed as a holistic and concise learning program. Thanks again, I'm in.
Exactly right Tom. I can't predict where someone is going to find my content. So there is a lot of value in a sequential path that assures the learner has the appropriate context as each new thing is introduced.
I feel like a lot of my content sometimes feels redundant because I'm always trying to provide some of that context for a first time or new viewer.
Who is this mythical person advocating ONLY parking lot drills? Because I don't think I've ever seen that person.
MotoJitsu. He can't come up with anything worthwhile so he scribbles with crayons while "reacting" to Canyonchasers videos.
Why is it so bloody expensive?
As someone who lives in the midwest, this isn’t something that’s available here, much to my dismay.
I took two days to drive to Tucson. I think they have stuff in PA and Eastern CO. How far away are you those places?
In Canada, we have very little as well. I ha e FAST school not far from me but it’s definitely more racer oriented.
Why are my comments shadow-banned?🤔🤐 Of 3 comments, only this one is visible. Even my reply to Dave below vanishes when I'm not logged it.
They don't seem to be.
@@Sw33tum Thanks, but my reply to "Law of Self Defense" about track vs public road still doesn't show up when I'm not logged in. The one with your reply "Dave R 1 day ago Please explain to me how physics change between a track and a canyon. " 5 replies show up when I'm not logged in, but all 6 show up when I am logged in. For grins, I put spaces in the only word that possibly (a far stretch) could have activated the thought police. If you still can't see it, it must be yt gone overboard. FWIW, I was on your side. The physics don't change, but road conditions and traffic do. You know that, I know that, but LoSD didn't seem to grasp the totality of your comments.
I respect your original content. This eleven minute infomercial for a $2k product, not so much. If the title to the video had of been accurate, at least I’d known what I was getting into.
Secret is, speed kills
Speed doesn't kill. Otherwise as soon as someone started going fast they'd die. It's the running into things that tends to get ya.
@@CanyonChasers The real secret is, excess speed kills
Speed never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary is what gets ya.
You should be ashamed of yourself for the "race track not really any different than a public road" line at 12:00. They are obviously different, and in substantive ways. Contemptible. For shame, for shame, for shame.
Please explain to me how physics change between a track and a canyon.
@@Sw33tum I didn't write "physics," now did I, Sparky.
Way to take something completely out of context and attack it..
@@Lawofselfdefense A track isn't fundamentally different than a road other than the margin of error and safety. It's still asphalt. It's still a motorcycle. You're still making it go around a corner. All the techniques you develop on a track can be used on any other twisty ribbon of asphalt. Make your case as to how riding on a track is so fundamentally different than riding a canyon - or are you just going to state your unsubstantiated opinion as if it's a fact and call people names who question you or ask you to explain your reasoning?
Troll