Fix the Biggest Mistake Most New and Experienced Riders Make
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Why do so many of us rush our corner entrances? Why do so many struggle with entering corners too quickly? The sage advice of the great moto-philosopher Dale once bestowed upon me one of the greatest morsels of riding advice; Let the corner come to you. But what does that even mean?
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I’m always a little sad when the corner ends so I always try to enjoy the corner I’m in instead of always looking forward, figuratively speaking, to the next corner.
This hits me right between the eyes! As the guy who rides the number 2 position in our group, and rides a 600 when everyone else rides a 1000 or bigger, I feel like I'm always playing catch-up when coming out of the corner. I have to hammer it to catch-up by next corner which then has me braking too hard to enter the corner because of fear of running wide. Learning trail-breaking has helped tremendously but I always find that I have scrubbed off too much speed for the corner and I feel like I could have carried a little more with my given riding skills. Superbike school taught me this very technique but I seem to forget it when in the middle of a ride in the canyons. I shall practice this technique on my next few rides. Thank you very much. I love your content!!!
Hi Dave, been following you for sometime and your advice has helped me become a more confident rider. I'm no longer scared in corners and my riding has improved tenfold. Thanks for all the great content. NZ kiwi fan
I loved watching "Kung Fu" the 70's and I still watch an episode now and then. New rider here only 800 miles on my bike. Thanks for the great tips and advice!
I'm gonna get out for a ride right now to enjoy all the corners in a relaxed and joyful mood to get into what you have teached me today! Thank you for this lesson, Dave!
That was an excellent explanation of how to approach the corner. I'm a new street rider and I have been using my experience as a Porsche instructor to do exactly what you said. Earlier today I was telling myself to "wait for it", which is what I teach my students during our track days. Each corner consciously telling myself to wait for it, set up the entry, trail brake, look for the exit, roll on the power smoothly, look to the next corner. Same techniques as in a car on track.
Nice! I love it. I actually say the exact same thing in my helmet as I force myself to wait for the slowest part of the corner!
I've been riding for forty years and I'm always looking to improve my riding skills. Great video. Solid advice without ego. You gained a subscriber.
Absolutely love your videos. Been riding for decades and always learn something here… thank you!
I just met Dale last weekend. Dude is a treasure trove of this kind of wisdom and a riot to talk with. Looking forward to learning more from him but as always your videos distill profound ideas into accessible clips and I love it. Great work sir.
Yet another gem! My favorite channel! I recently passed Canyon Chasers on to my niece who just bought her very first motorcycle.
You should also pass on MotoJitsu and DanDanTheFireman. Helps a lot, not only for new riders. These are, in my opinion, 3 channels all riders should subscribe to (CanyonChasers included).
Motorcycling mindfulness. Love it.
Guys, the outro music of your video was so awesome, that was always cherry on top. I was quite disappointed to not hear it this time.
Still love your videos though:)
Thank you!
Another perfect / right on video by the Canyon Chaser! Thank you so much! I’m going to share a link with my motorcycle instructor peers here in Oregon.
Thanks for all your knowledge helped out a lot. Never stop learning. 👍🏽
I fully recognize your point. For me hitting the apex too early is more because of a "fear" of otherwise not making the corner.
Your vids help me a lot 🙏🏻
When you good ,you good.
Best channel for bikers.
Cheers
The way you explain and present things is perfect 👌🏼
When I mess up a corner it’s almost always because I tip in too early! Smooth is fast my friend! Great video. Just put a Canyon Chasers decal on my top box. Love the channel!
Thank you, always sound and informative!
Very good advice. Will take practice to do
Invaluable piece of advice ! Awesome !
I actually saiy "Wait, wait wait, now" out loud in my helmet, Very helpful video as always!
Thank you, this is indeed something extremely useful 😊
"... that means we are not there yet". Such a useful piece of advice. I think a lot of motorcycle skills including just riding safely is about having all the conditions lined up and having all your checkboxes ticked before proceeding. A lot of times we just want it to happen so badly that we go without having the last few conditions confirmed. Now I just go with the motto "Assume Nothing".
So Well Put, Thank You
Never make blind turns decisions while Riding Buddies!! Learning lot from you sir !! After Ari Henning (from rev zilla channel) you are the best "GURU" ( means Teacher in India) I have ever found 🙏!!
Vídeos from Canyon Chasers are an instant thumbs up from me!
.............I only can afford to practice on my mountain bicycle........... I am patient, that one day, I will be able to practice on a motorcycle. First I have go for my third permit test.......... CV19 and finances messed up my time left on my second permert. My Mom always said that patients is a virtue........ I don't care how long it takes to get my self together to ride, as long as I can one day.........Thanks for your insights motorcycle teacher.
Great you doing videos again
Nice words of wisdom grasshopper. Ride safely 🤓 💙
"Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" has nothing on "Taoism and the Philosophy of Motorcycle Riding."
I also like Maoism and the philosophy of why i can’t afford most motorcycles
I'm riding for 10 years and corners still excite me. And I'm still learning how to take the best corners. That you don't get riding 4 wheels
Nice! One of the mistakes I think that riders make (me included) is taking on a corner as if you know it when in reality it's possibly the first time you've ridden road. If you don't know the corner don't pretend to know it and go 9/10ths ... instead, take the corner/road prepared to learn about it first (I'm referring to the ones where the exit isn't visible from the entrance). If it's a great road with multiple fun corners, you can ride that section a few times, learning the corners as you go and increasing the speed as you know what's coming. My two cents. :-)
Yes, knowledge is power, but I often worry that familiarity can lead to complacancy. But we all have that one corner in our local canyon that catches everyone out, right? So it's nice to know which one to especially watch for.
Great video once again. I really would appreciate to see a video where you explain common riding ''mistakes'' and their consequences. Like going off throttle on mid turn, or initiating a braking mid turn. Let's say a compilation of bad things to do while riding.
Great video thanks brother
GREAT ADVICE FRIEND.
I like to imagine the road unwinding before me, and under my bike, and then try to position myself accordingly.
Thanks for yet another great video. Now if I could only get smoother with my trail-braking……
I just took the BRC1 with Dale and Bear. We definitely need Yay T-shirts offered for sale along with their other available merch 😂
Interesting. All I know is when you come to a corner you first read the curve and decide whether to change down. The very next thing to do is identifying the apex and assessing the road on the apex exit. Turn it on gradually at the apex until your back uprite and setting yourself up for the next piece of road. This is all done instinctively and in a split second. Let the road come to you, stay focused and know your limitations. Above all, practices practice practice and keep calm.
Still trying to sort out the parts of cornering. Appreciate the reminder to “Let the corner come to you.” Sometimes I think I come in too fast because I think if I slow down too much I’ll lose the thrill of the lean. Hard to sort that out.
Great advice.
Small world 😅, Dale was my teacher too. Great guy. Good video.
Thank you for this video sir.
You are most welcome
An afterthought: Clean lines aren't everything! Poor road surface (especially edges) will slow you down and disrupt your flow. Sometimes you're better to shift your line a little to avoid that. There's that slow is fast again.
I got my MSF beginner training with Dale and Dan! Hands down one of best teachers I have ever had.
Same with me
The moment I show off to strangers or people who known me is the moment I’m too busy focused on showing off instead of driving. I’ve almost ran red lights going to fast to stop because I couldn’t see it turned red. Too focused on shifting as fast as possible or realizing I’ve never tried to 0-40 in a small parking lot and stop fast. I almost always end up coming close to getting injured or I mess my bike up somehow or come close to a wreck.
Great video👏
Thank you! 👍
Oh look, it's my msf instructor. He was very groovy.
That 1st Gen Multi in the thumbnail tho
Moto kung fu - totally like of cource. Give more, please!
Nice! 👍
So me as the bad ass rider I am
This is key
I live in the canyons in SoCal and the key factor is to keep your mindset in check.
The corner speed is key
And to not just think your fast but to be smooth
Nice one, CC. I think you've said before (and I may be paraphrasing), 'Slow is fast'. Same again here.
I've been riding for years and I still botch this up (often, and shake my head when I do)... You need to stay focused and almost see it in slow motion. Slowing down on approach helps too. PS: I loved that show!
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast! A montra from Seal team training. Make your moves slow and sure and they will be learned by your subconscious. Making moves slow ensures you learn the right things to do when they become needed. Then as you become more relaxed with your skills, speed will come and you will be faster. No, I was not a Seal, I just lived and worked with them in NAM!
Great video. I remember Kung Fu, nice blend with the topic of cornering...hoping you can remind me which of your videos describes the best way to work the throttle and covering the front brake. I saw it once and can’t find it. I don’t think it was an entire video. Anyway, great content. Watching your videos, I often wish I lived where all those highways are. Thank you !
I suspect the video you are looking for is called “1 simple habit for faster reaction times…”
Different experience on a 50cc engine, when you're afraid to let off the throttle because the truck behind you won't see any brake light when he plows over your behind. At least a scooter has a rear brake on the handlebar to finesse your speed better than the throttle does on a small displacement motor (AND illuminate the brake light).
...there's a lot going on... Yes Sir
And all in split seconds. God I love it
Seen a corner coming. I stopped, guess what? The corner stoped to. I'm still waiting. 🤣👍 kidding.
Great advice ✌💯 I remember Kung fu
"how did Robert Pirsig combine eastern philosophy with motorcycles?" Was what I heard😂😂
Another great vid, and again lot's of nods and references to keep it light and funny. And seriously, if you're watching this and haven't read the book, you're missing out!
Which book?
@@Becky-ll1vl Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance 👍
I used to watch kung fu as a kid all the time!
Good episode, grasshopper.
I have told you personally and directly - you have a gift to educate and entertain. You should be worth millions. It is a fine line between gifts and extreme profits. You have it all - execute my friend. EXECUTE!
That wasn't concrete information, but it's very useful. BTW Kung Fu wasn't typical 70's tv. It was awesome seventies Tv. The only show that'd make you drop your hockey stick and go home before the arch lights came on!
"May the road rise to meet your wheels" - Wally
Hi Dale! Many times i have the feeling i am falling into the inside of a corner because i'm looking "too far" through the corner. You go where you look, right? I am looking for the exit and when the corner is more than 90 degrees or decreasing radius, my looking through the corner and searching for the exit makes me fall towards the inside of the corner. What am i doing wrong?
Keep your vision up and looking for the vanishing point of your lane down the road. Your brain will take in the information between you and the vanishing point to make the decisions that are necessary to safely completing the corner.
After crashes and 2 decades of riding, I have learnt that if I am uncomfortable while cornering, means I did something wrong. Wish I new the let the corner come to you earlier. Welp.
Try riding in the Philippines...You might change your advise on cornering. People in all sizes of vehicles pass on blind corners not to mention rocks and boulders, dogs, cats and chickens, people walking across the road. Slowing down helps with survival.
If the roads are that bad in the Philippines, you'd be better off taking the bus.
Loved Kung Fu. Great analogy 😁👍(i've just put a date on myself, i know)
This is the 3rd time watching this video. Hopefully, I'm getting it. BTW, I was a big fan of Kung Fu back in the day. Patience, Grasshopper
YES! The show was actually quite a bit better than the average '70s show, right?
Brake brake wot brake brake wot ....lol good times
Good video
Slow is smooth and smooth is fast!
This makes me think a lot of Lee Parks and his philosophies
I've had a lovely enjoyable ride up until I see some smart ass car drive up my rear around tight corners where there's no place to pull over and let the driver pass and he can't over take you due to on coming traffic which maybe coming just as he wants to over take you. So, an enjoyable ride becomes a stressful ride and I end up having to compose myself at the next straight where I can get off the side of the road, park the bike and get my head back in order. I found I've got to look for potential coming up my ass drivers before doing my cornering especially coming down from a bending mountain ride.
That's always so frustrating..it seems it's getting harder to find times when the roads are empty.
I think rushing Is a relative thing It depends on the rider skills. My question Is how to increase the entry Speed that trigger the rushing feeling ?
True, it's relative to the rider, but it's also relative to the corner. Everyone wants the "fast way" through the corner, but sometimes there isn't one; it's just a slow corner. I was just riding Highway 4 near Lake Tahoe - it's a single-lane road that flows around natural obstacles (including trees). It's a 2nd gear road with 1st gear corners; you won't find a "fast" line that doesn't involve prying you out of a pine tree.
You guys need a Patreon ^-^
lol that south park reference...
Namaste.
I've never met a corner I didn't like 😉
Moar content plz!!!
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Stop to contemplate before a good corner, only then can the corner be appreciated grasshopper.
But no matter how much we love the corner, the corner will never love us back.
Does learning low speed maneuvering help increase higher speed handling
Not especially. Low speed stuff helps us become comfortable with the bike and it magnifies flaws in our riding while rewarding good habits. But if we want to get good at going fast, we have to practice at those speeds. It's why I'm a huge advocate for track days. It's the least risky way to practice at real world speeds.
@@CanyonChasers hey thank you for your quick response. Do you agree or disagree with fairly new riders using trail breaking
I teach it to brand new riders. Most brand new riders do it naturally until someone says it's "dangerous". It's how the motorcycle is designed to work.
@@CanyonChasers I really appreciate the help you are giving me. Please correct me if my thinking is wrong I assume that technique is the same on a Harley Davidson touring bike as it would be on a sports bike
Yes. It works the same on all two wheeled vehicles from scooters to bicycles.
Entrance... wait for it.... apex exit
Legen...... Dairy!
😂😂😂 it never gets old
A straight road is just an infinitely big corner. 😌
Any road can be interesting with enough velocity.
@@BlindIo42 Yes In Germany you don't have speed limit on the left lane.
Duh!
Lots of ppl think slow in fast out is the way to corner. I don’t blame you.
Well, thats how bikes are engineered and designed to turn. But I'm curious as to learn what revolutionary new method you've discovered.
@@CanyonChasers From the safe road riding prospective, slow in fast out or even slow in slow out. That will do the job and give you plenty of time to react and negotiate a corner. However, it missed the fun part. You know what I am talking about. So build up some speed, fast enough to head towards mid-corner without touching your throttle (ideally) or maintain a neutral throttle position. Then pick up your bike to a safe angel then full throttle out the corner when you see the exit and it’s safe to do so. This is what I call the FAST IN FAST OUT. You can use this technique to outrace your mates on road or a track day. It works fine every single time.
This has nothing to do with the video... but why do some racers put that towely band over their brake reservoir?
It's an old-school racer trick to sop up any fluid that might come out. But it's not really necessary anymore.
Finally man an answer! I've seen this as well and was always wondering if I "needed" one lol! I think it looks a bit... not my style. 😄