Russian Plans to Bring Back the Byzantine Empire | Constantinople, Catherine the Great

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    Constantinople, Catherine the Great, Byzantine Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine History, Byzantine Restoration, Turkish Russian War

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  • @JabzyJoe
    @JabzyJoe  Před 2 lety +53

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  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 Před 2 lety +418

    “But if you close your eyes…”

    • @salmansingh66
      @salmansingh66 Před 2 lety +5

      You should've done the deed man

    • @adude8424
      @adude8424 Před 2 lety +2

      NO NO NO NO NO NO

    • @huntersw2
      @huntersw2 Před 2 lety +2

      @@salmansingh66 i don't get it

    • @salmansingh66
      @salmansingh66 Před 2 lety +5

      @@huntersw2 he's nepolean Bonaparte he should've revived Byzantium with ease for him in fact

    • @marshalljohnson6976
      @marshalljohnson6976 Před 2 lety +2

      @@salmansingh66 Exactly, damn lazy Napoleon.

  • @Burgermeister1836
    @Burgermeister1836 Před 2 lety +761

    The Turks are damn lucky the British feared Russia so much.

    • @ToastieBRRRN
      @ToastieBRRRN Před 2 lety +90

      Balance of power. Part of Britain's and Russia "great game" throughout the 19 centaury.

    • @James-sk4db
      @James-sk4db Před 2 lety +30

      This time the naval force beat the land force,
      Athens 1, Sparta 1
      Decider USA vs China 2022

    • @TheSunderingSea
      @TheSunderingSea Před 2 lety +230

      The eternal anglo backstabs Christendom yet again...

    • @alimohammad1934
      @alimohammad1934 Před 2 lety +50

      @@TheSunderingSea when you think of it the British empires largest religion is Hindu. They are an empire with many religion from animism to whatever that is.

    • @GlizzyGoblin757
      @GlizzyGoblin757 Před 2 lety +16

      I wish we never did that :(

  • @charlesferdinand422
    @charlesferdinand422 Před 2 lety +67

    Russian Empire to Austrian Empire: "Get in the van loser, we're conquering the Ottoman Empire".

    • @schiffertistvan6881
      @schiffertistvan6881 Před 2 lety +6

      Austria: "But I'm weak even then, I can't rule in a absolut mode in Hungary."
      Russia: "Pathetic, but you will be good as a decoy."

    • @death2denemy
      @death2denemy Před 2 lety +3

      Ottoman empire: "Try me"

  • @Artur_M.
    @Artur_M. Před 2 lety +491

    It's interesting to hear about Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich being prepared to become a Neo-Byzantine Emperor. It's a good material for some alternative history, as is the possibility of Konstantin becoming (or arguably staying) Emperor of Russia in 1825, instead of Nicholas. In our timeline, he played an important but ambivalent role in Polish history.

    • @mylesjude233
      @mylesjude233 Před 2 lety +11

      I would love cody from alternatehistoryhub to make a video about this possibility of a successful Greek Plan

    • @RitterDesHimmels1
      @RitterDesHimmels1 Před 2 lety +13

      The Russians bringing back the Byzantine Empire on the map of Europe and the French (under Napoleon) restoring the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth would be a dream come true.

    • @MelihKarlav
      @MelihKarlav Před 2 lety +6

      @@RitterDesHimmels1 It will solely be a dream though.

    • @RitterDesHimmels1
      @RitterDesHimmels1 Před 2 lety +8

      @@MelihKarlav Eventually both, Greece and Poland became independent. Although both countries lost some important lands of their historical predecessors.

    • @finality6001
      @finality6001 Před 2 lety +1

      @B D Lvov, Grodno and Brest-Livotsk.

  • @joshuacarre06
    @joshuacarre06 Před 2 lety +211

    Sometimes history is stranger than fiction

  • @freetube5304
    @freetube5304 Před 2 lety +350

    Funny how the Russian empire was one of the Major advocate in ending the 'Sick man of Europe' i.e the Ottoman empire and yet ironically they fell before the Ottoman empire.

    • @LancesArmorStriking
      @LancesArmorStriking Před 2 lety +66

      Many would argue that the Empire really only fell in 1991.
      But yes, the entity of the Russian Empire collapsed before the Ottomans.
      I don't care so much about the Byzantine claim as the fact that we still don't have access to the Mediterranean... so close.

    • @Rynewulf
      @Rynewulf Před 2 lety +40

      @@LancesArmorStriking Soviet politics and perspectives did largely match up with the empire they replaced, in kind of an ironic way. Some of it might have just been the geopolitics of operating a state from the Russian part of Eurasia, but they really pushed to restore imperial borders and pushed a lot of similar Russian language and culture policies too

    • @Marcusianery
      @Marcusianery Před 2 lety +16

      @@LancesArmorStriking You let us Nordics get the Baltic seas as an Mare Nostrum and we help you guys restore the Byzantine Empire, yeah?

    • @paul5475
      @paul5475 Před 2 lety +8

      But russia stay russia

    • @adityaanggaisback937
      @adityaanggaisback937 Před 2 lety +3

      @@paul5475 and turkey is turkey

  • @Cyarrick1
    @Cyarrick1 Před 2 lety +116

    "Austria wasn't having the same level of success" I've never heard that before

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 Před 2 lety +126

    Let’s not forget, Paul I was made a Grandmaster of the Knights of Malta, in exchange that he allow them to seek refuge in Russia. He’s a fanboy of them, as well as the Prussians.

    • @Abraxium
      @Abraxium Před 2 lety +11

      Gustav IV Adolf also offered them the island of Gotland in 1806, as this had been property of the Teutonic knights prior

    • @ScapularSaves
      @ScapularSaves Před 2 lety +3

      Ya but he started to give out orders to anyone he wanted... the Knights didn't like that.

    • @ScapularSaves
      @ScapularSaves Před 2 lety

      @падωие αнгелы why you thinking that?

  • @mylesjude233
    @mylesjude233 Před 2 lety +159

    Sounds like an interesting what if scenario for a alternate history video.

    • @Mike01029
      @Mike01029 Před 2 lety +1

      Especially if the British queen had accepted the marriage proposal from Ivan the terrible

    • @mylesjude233
      @mylesjude233 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Mike01029 You Queen Elizabeth I, that would make for some interesting alternate history.

    • @TrickiVicBB71
      @TrickiVicBB71 Před 2 lety +1

      Someone contact Cody from Alternate History Hub

    • @mylesjude233
      @mylesjude233 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TrickiVicBB71 Speaking of, what hypothetical histories would you like to see him cover, another one for me would be what if Hideyoshi succeeded in conquering Korea during the imjin war.

    • @TrickiVicBB71
      @TrickiVicBB71 Před 2 lety +1

      @@mylesjude233 I want to see his take on Canada as superpower.
      I once stumbled upon a thread on the Alternative History Forum of this. It was absolutely a beautiful 66 page read.
      My country, a superpower 😂🤟

  • @giannb5145
    @giannb5145 Před rokem +17

    To give you a Greek perspective on this whole thing, and on how relations can never be fully exploited, even if there is mutual interest and goodwill: The Orlov Revolt in 1770-71 was based on this plan you describe in the video. After Greece became independent, its first ruler Ioannis Kapodistrias wanted good relations with Russia, but without provoking the British too much, because Greece for practical reasons couldn't be anti-British, due to its maritime geography (the British navy had total control of the Mediterranean), the need to cultivate British support for expanding Greece's borders (generally this worked out well..) and the influence of the Greek ship-owners who were mostly based in London. Kapodistrias was assassinated in 1831 with British (and French) involvement and since then, all the way to today, Greece has been forced to be actively anti-Russian even though we don't really want this, because we see Turkey as our enemy, not Russia. And with developments such as the Ukraine war, there's now also pressure from the EU.

    • @angelb.823
      @angelb.823 Před rokem +1

      Wasn't Kapodistrias assassinated because of a feud between the Greek bey/clan leaders, including putting the veteran Petrobey Mavromichalis in jail? How are the British and French involved in his assassination?

    • @angelb.823
      @angelb.823 Před rokem +2

      Also, also, Greece has been distant with Russia ever since the Orlov Revolt, the Bulgarian Exarchate (which Russia supported), and the independence of the Slavic nations in the Balkans by Russia, including the Treaty of San Stefano (which allowed a Greater Bulgaria to stretch in Macedonia and Thrace). While the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and the restoration of Constantinople to Christendom was one thing, they primarly looked upon the Pan-Slavic movement, which Russia sought to gain, at the expense of Greeks living in cities like Thessaloniki. While the Turks were indeed the primary enemies of the Orthodox Greeks, the Russian-backed allies, prominently Bulgaria, were not keen friendly to their Orthodox neighbors either. The Greeks even clashed with Bulgarians and Komitatzides in the regions that would encompass Northern Greece shortly before the Balkan Wars. That would give the impression why Greece cast their lot with the West (and eventually the EU), rather than the East. It was in the national interest to keep Bulgaria out from the Mediterranean Sea, as it would have become a satellite state of Russia, who would gain access to the Mediterranean either through Bulgaria's outlet or the Bosphorus Straits.

    • @angelb.823
      @angelb.823 Před rokem

      @@giannb5145 Ενδιαφέρον, ευχαριστώ για την πληροφορία.

    • @angelb.823
      @angelb.823 Před rokem

      @@giannb5145 Πιθανότατα να έχεις δίκιο. Μια μέση οδός αρκεί. Το γεγονος πως η Ελλάδα βρίσκεται στο σταυροδρόμι μεταξύ Δύσης και Ανατολής (πολιτιστικά, πολιτικά, και θρησκευτικά) αρκει να κατατάξει την θέση της στο γεωπολιτικό πεδίο.
      Παρόλο αυτά, τα σημερινά γεγονότα περισσότερο απωθούν την Ελλάδα από την Ρωσία, παρά να την προσεταιρίζουν. Μακάρι να υπήρχε αυτή η δυνατότητα να σταματήσουν οι διαμάχες και οι πόλεμοι μεταξύ ομόδοξων Ορθοδόξων Χριστιανών (λ.χ. Ουκρανοί και Ρώσοι).

    • @CaptainHarlock-kv4zt
      @CaptainHarlock-kv4zt Před 5 měsíci +3

      Pretty accurate. A rare thing in this ugly "internet-educated" era of ours. Τα σέβη μου!

  • @user-ll9hb3sd8h
    @user-ll9hb3sd8h Před 2 lety +30

    " She became our joy...Hope and deligth for all the Hellenes! "
    Constantinos Palaiologos.

  • @Stamboul
    @Stamboul Před 2 lety +182

    One could definitely argue that Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran, qualifies with his heavy promotion of Iran's pre-Islamic (and especially Achaemenid) past. Though that involved much less territorial expansion than the Greek Plan and was more about the country's identity than its borders.

    • @eca3101
      @eca3101 Před 2 lety +32

      What you’ve got to understand is a lot of rather Islamist places heavily promote their pre Islamic past. The Islamic republic of Iran still does this. Iraq under Saddam was both outwardly religious and Babylonian at the same time. Gaddafi in Libya, etc.
      The only place which I can think of that actively suppresses or ignores it’s pre Islamic history is Pakistan.

    • @Stamboul
      @Stamboul Před 2 lety +8

      @@eca3101 Compared to Imperial Iran, the Islamic Republic dialed back a lot of that stuff. And Taliban-ruled Afghanistan and those parts of Syria and Iraq that fell to the Islamic State would be complete exceptions, to the point of trying to erase the physical evidence of their pre-Islamic past.

    • @eca3101
      @eca3101 Před 2 lety +5

      @@Stamboul Daesh never managed to actually conquer their desired states, even on their home turf.
      The Islamic republic brought emphasis on Iran’s Islamic history as well, but by no means did they even attempt to pretend to not care about Iran’s pre Islamic history. Their leaders talk about it all the time, they use those symbols, I can go on.
      You can add Afghanistan to the list under the Taliban along with Pakistan. That’s about it

    • @Stamboul
      @Stamboul Před 2 lety +1

      @@eca3101 I mean, you're just adding criteria now, aren't you? The Islamic State ruled territory long enough to have a policy for pre-Islamic sites and artifacts in their control, and that policy was destruction. To people having to live under IS authority, they were the state, however brief its existence may later have proven to be and however short they may have come of their territorial claims. The Taliban never ruled the entirety of Afghanistan either, so...
      And at no point in the Islamic Republic of Iran's 42-year history did celebration of the pre-Islamic past reach the heights it did under the Shah. To give just one example, the Shah changed the calendar so that year 1 would correspond to the first year of the reign of Cyrus the Great rather than the Hegira, and Khomeini changed it back. Clearly I'm talking comparatively here, so I don't get what you think you're correcting me on.

    • @eca3101
      @eca3101 Před 2 lety +5

      @@Stamboul no ones adding criteria, Daesh was a non state actor, when we are clearly talking about states. The Taliban count because they were effectively a state-actor in the late 90s when they controlled Afghanistan.
      And it seems you are half informed about Iran and the Middle East. The Islamic republic of Iran’s ambitions are often coined Neo Achaemenid. They see themselves as the rightful hegemonic power of the Mid East from the time of Cyrus the great to today. Not even the Shah thought that.
      No one denies the shah favoured pre Islamic history before Islamic history, but the Islamic republic by no means ignores or even remotely sweeps under the rug it’s pre Islamic history

  • @arktisch36
    @arktisch36 Před 2 lety +129

    Jesus, why do our palns always fail? Throughout the history we just suffer while everyone else prospers(I'm russian).

    • @Progametloler
      @Progametloler Před 2 lety +57

      Us too man us too ( I am greek)

    • @arktisch36
      @arktisch36 Před 2 lety +39

      @@Progametloler yeah, but at least you had a prosperous classical age with a lot of philosophy and later gave us russians christianity. But everything in the middle ages... Yeah, it was bad for Greece

    • @Progametloler
      @Progametloler Před 2 lety +22

      @@arktisch36 we both are getting the short end of the stick in history. Only one great leader can save us and give us what we deserve

    • @arktisch36
      @arktisch36 Před 2 lety +41

      @@Progametloler Yeah, Greece is in economical crisis, and Russia is just some backland with great ambitions. We need something like federal monarchy and traditional society, like one Dugin proposes. Although i hate some things about Byzantium, it is the base of both our societies, and we should remember that. It is sad you didn't get Constantinople back, but i guess that's what you get when believing England's promises. I hope our countries will someday get a new dawn. Glory to the Second and Third Rome.

    • @Progametloler
      @Progametloler Před 2 lety +26

      @@arktisch36 let us trust god for he shall have great plans for it's nation subjects amen☦

  • @christosgiannopoulos828
    @christosgiannopoulos828 Před 2 lety +44

    We were at the verge of greatness. We were this close

    • @aksmex2576
      @aksmex2576 Před 2 lety +2

      Cry.

    • @russian_supremacy
      @russian_supremacy Před 6 měsíci +3

      ​@@aksmex2576why cry? We still owned you many times even if we didn't get Constantinople

  • @theemperorofmankind7706
    @theemperorofmankind7706 Před 2 lety +108

    A new eastern Rome with a Russian emperor,population that contains a huge amount of Muslim turks a Roman identity the Greeks lost after the 4th crusade when the Latins sucked the city and its ancient artifacts. Even IF it happened sadly I doubt it would have worked. Greeks along many other cultures in history have been very clear on their destain on foreign born monarchs claiming their thrones. But an orthodox Russian raised by a Greek maid that would speak at least partially Greek and of the Romanov dynasty that has a fuck old connection with the last emperors would be more likely to succeed than King Otto of Greece and his Danish lineage.
    I mean for Gods sake there are still deentants of imperial families nowadays that still hold ties with their Greek side.

    • @antonkwanton5620
      @antonkwanton5620 Před 2 lety +38

      greeks kept their roman identity after 4th crusade, ties with antiquity was cut by sack and occupation of constantinople by latins, but greeks considered themselves as romans for many centuries after this event. german kings of greece in 19th century were promoted greek identity among still roman population. even in 20th century ottoman greeks callad themselves roman

    • @sto_karfi842
      @sto_karfi842 Před 2 lety

      We have countless of artifacts believe me...

    • @theemperorofmankind7706
      @theemperorofmankind7706 Před 2 lety +7

      @@sto_karfi842 we have artifacts but so much was destroyed when the city got sacked twice at this point and then turkofied.

    • @command_unit7792
      @command_unit7792 Před 2 lety +18

      I dont think the greeks will have an issue with a Russian orthodox monarch if they get an empire...

    • @speedzero7478
      @speedzero7478 Před 2 lety +4

      @@command_unit7792 This is literally how Qing Dynasty in China worked out. So, I'm inclined to agree.

  • @Bronxguyanese
    @Bronxguyanese Před 2 lety +43

    They call the city tsargrad also known as Caesars city. And yes both napoleon and mussolini tried to revive the Roman empire. Britain itself wants no revolve of an Roman empire.

    • @a.s.7936
      @a.s.7936 Před 2 lety +20

      Britain do be acting a little gay.

    • @TheSteveRobinson
      @TheSteveRobinson Před 2 lety +6

      Mussolini attacked Libya and Ethiopia. He did invade Greece and got his ass handed back to him. Germany had to step in. Thee was no chance in hell of Italy restoring the Roman Empire. Pie in the Sky dreams.

    • @Bronxguyanese
      @Bronxguyanese Před 2 lety +2

      @@TheSteveRobinson both Greece and Italy wanted to rebuild historical spheres of influence. Italy used to rule in Greece during Roman and medieval city state/crusader periods. And the Greeks used to rule in Italy during magna Grecia period byzantine periods. Both nations had competeting interest in the Mediterranean. Hitler had to take the pill to aid mussolini.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheSteveRobinson 'got their ass handed back to him' not really, if you actually read what happened. the Italian generals knew they didn't have the men (due to the africa front sucking all the manpower) so they retreated back to a defensive line at the first real sign of trouble. then the greeks tried and failed to break this defensive line, and were running out of men and ammunition even at Britians best efforts to supply them, most Greek officers were even asking their supiroirs for permission to surrender to the Italians weeks before the germans invaded. and the Axis intelligence agencies knew this.
      the germans didn't have to step in, they chose to step in because the whole greek invasion was Musilini being upset with Hitler, and so Hitler decided to put him back in his place.
      (PS my grandfather was one of said Greek officers, i am not biased against the greeks just not biased against the italians)

    • @aksmex2576
      @aksmex2576 Před 2 lety

      Napoleon hoped to go through Egypt, Syria, Anatolia, to constantinople, back to France to make the Roman empire again.

  • @55Ironside
    @55Ironside Před 2 lety +164

    Yeah and we're still waiting...c'mon Putin, do the thing.

    • @Rand0mPeon
      @Rand0mPeon Před 2 lety +45

      If Russia actually recreated the Byzantine empire, it’d become my second favorite country.

    • @linkofvev
      @linkofvev Před 2 lety +29

      He could just say it's payback for the Armenian Genocide.

    • @Dbadaing
      @Dbadaing Před 2 lety +7

      NATO: Am I a joke to you?

    • @Reactionary_Harkonnen
      @Reactionary_Harkonnen Před 2 lety +6

      Well... Mussolini tried now dad Putin's turn to try.

    • @osman7240
      @osman7240 Před 2 lety +3

      My dear friends I recomend you all to watch and listen to sheikh imran Hossein constantinople in the quran. How constantinople and Hagia Sophia will be returned to its rightful owners and how the ottomans were wrong. czcams.com/video/bPNbHHb0fTw/video.html

  • @williamresham703
    @williamresham703 Před 2 lety +1

    thanks; a good informative video.

  • @robertortiz-wilson1588

    Great video!

  • @axb6061
    @axb6061 Před 2 lety +44

    Not sure if this counts, but like Commodus Chinese empress Wu Zetian renamed her empire from Tang Dynasty to Zhou Dynasty

    • @iasonaskolyvas9983
      @iasonaskolyvas9983 Před 2 lety

      Wait that sounds extremely ridiculous give some details 😂

    • @aksmex2576
      @aksmex2576 Před 2 lety

      What does Zhou mean?

    • @axb6061
      @axb6061 Před 2 lety +1

      @@aksmex2576 it doesn’t really mean anything. Zhou or 周 is a common last name, but was once the dynasty that ruled China ca 3000-2500bc.
      Upon researching some etymology, Zhou can mean “encompass”, “circumference” and “attentive”

  • @theletterw3875
    @theletterw3875 Před 2 lety +1

    I wish I could like twice. I'm so glad you get to spend that RSL money, not someone else. Please continue

  • @sonnyocad287
    @sonnyocad287 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm very early and this sounds fascinating

  • @RandomVidsforthought
    @RandomVidsforthought Před 2 lety +1

    I saw the spoliarium painting in the background

  • @OliverCovfefe
    @OliverCovfefe Před 2 lety +25

    one of the proposed plans for a partition of the Ottomans between the Austrians and Russians involved restoring Byzantium in Greece and Bulgaria, most of the Balkans going to Austria, and Romania going to Russia. Not sure if it was involved in that specific war or not, but I picked it up from my russian history professor.

    • @ntonisa6636
      @ntonisa6636 Před 2 lety +7

      pretty sure that was Catherine's "Greek Plan" the one you described above

    • @muazzamshaikh2049
      @muazzamshaikh2049 Před rokem +1

      This was after the crimean war
      "France takes Algeria from Turkey, and almost every year England annexes another Indian principality: none of this disturbs the balance of power; but when Russia occupies Moldavia and Wallachia, albeit only temporarily, that disturbs the balance of power. France occupies Rome and stays there several years during peacetime: that is nothing; but Russia only thinks of occupying Constantinople, and the peace of Europe is threatened. The English declare war on the Chinese, who have, it seems, offended them: no one has the right to intervene; but Russia is obliged to ask Europe for permission if it quarrels with its neighbor. England threatens Greece to support the false claims of a miserable Jew and burns its fleet: that is a lawful action; but Russia demands a treaty to protect millions of Christians, and that is deemed to strengthen its position in the East at the expense of the balance of power. We can expect nothing from the West but blind hatred and malice.."
      (comment in the margin by Nicholas I: ‘This is the whole point’).
      - Mikhail Pogodin's memorandum to Nicholas I

  • @emmanuelgabion2534
    @emmanuelgabion2534 Před 2 lety +2

    That painting in the background anyway is the Spoliarium by a famous painter Juan Luna

  • @stevelemuel9820
    @stevelemuel9820 Před 2 lety +4

    what a coincidence...I was just checking about this in Wikipedia some 15 mins before the video released

  • @vectorarrowsxyz5314
    @vectorarrowsxyz5314 Před 2 lety +49

    1st - Some German militias attempted to bring back the old German crusader states in the Baltic's after WW1.
    2nd - The ultranationalist Lehi tried to stage a coup against the Israeli government in 1948 in order to conquer the entire region and Jordan to revive the old Kingdom of Judea but were defeated on the beaches and arrested.
    3rd - Piłsudski hoped to restore the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in 1920 but quickly realised that most in the opposition and government rejected a multi-national state and preferred a Polish republic.

    • @lionsandeaglespodcast360
      @lionsandeaglespodcast360 Před 2 lety +1

      1st- Not correct. The Ritterschaften merely declared that they would resume their former sovereignty over their territory, as the throne of Russia to which they had pleged allegiance was vacant. So they weren't bringing back anything that didn't already exist, they were merely bringing back it's sovereignty.

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 Před 2 lety

      Cool

  • @BigBroTejano
    @BigBroTejano Před 2 lety +6

    I just find it very funny that this video comes out the day after I start up a campaign in EU4 were I have formed Ruthania and by complete accident ended up as the dominate partner in a personal union with Byzantium.

  • @JCOwens-zq6fd
    @JCOwens-zq6fd Před 2 lety +7

    The Byzantine queen ran go Russia when Constantinople fell. It's only natural they would seek to restore what was lost.

  • @volbound1700
    @volbound1700 Před 2 lety +65

    In a way, the Byzantine Empire was restored with modern Greece. Most of the Greeks claim descendency from Byzantium and show more pride in that Empire than the Ancient Greeks. All you need to do to really bring it back is give Constantinople and perhaps the Western Coastline of Turkey to Greece.

    • @woom_y
      @woom_y Před 2 lety +18

      In all fairness, the Byzantines (Romans) thought themselves as separate from the Greeks; so it's not a super legitimate descendency, I suppose.

    • @volbound1700
      @volbound1700 Před 2 lety +17

      @@woom_y True but as time had went on in the Middle Ages, the Empire got more associated with the Greeks. Also, classical Greek culture was gone by that time and replaced by Byzantine Greek Culture. Modern Greece today is more synonymous with Byzantine Greek culture than Classical Greece. You talk to a Greek and typically they have more affection for Byzantine Greece then let's say the Macedonian Empires of Alexander.

    • @woom_y
      @woom_y Před 2 lety +5

      @@volbound1700 I definitely agree with the sentiment that Greece is connected to the Eastern Roman Empire culturally and historically, I just thought it was important to make the distinction that the Romans saw themselves as separate.

    • @volbound1700
      @volbound1700 Před 2 lety +10

      @@woom_y They definitely called themselves Romans until the very end of the Empire and I consider Byzantium to be an extension of the original Roman Empire. Civilizations change culture over time and the later Byzantine Empire was more and more Greek. Outsiders called it the Greek Empire. So you are definitely correct in the distinction that Byzantium is Rome and not Greek. However, modern Greece has a lot of connections to Byzantine, more so than ancient Greece.

    • @traindude80
      @traindude80 Před 2 lety +9

      So 1921 would be the year where the Byzantines came closest to making a return.

  • @DiscothecaImperialis
    @DiscothecaImperialis Před 2 lety +33

    House of Savoy did have ALOT interests in creating Romana Savoia. even chose Rome as a new seat of unified Italy back in 1860s. This put them at odds with many other Italian kings and Austria as well as the Papacy itself.

    • @Augustus_Imperator
      @Augustus_Imperator Před 2 lety +2

      there was no other italian king when savoy declared rome the capital of the newly born kingdom of italy, it didn't fare well with papacy, austrians and french thought, they even fought french troops in italy to reconquer rome from the papal states

  • @yildirimakin3767
    @yildirimakin3767 Před 2 lety +58

    It was a dream that never came to be. Nevertheless, it was part of the reason for the Ottoman decline, but the Ottoman Empire lasted longer than both the Russian and Austria-Hungarian Empires.

    • @powerist209
      @powerist209 Před 2 lety

      Well, mostly being more Alexios or even Palageian era Byzantine but without monarchy and their major holdings being Anatolian heartland and chokehold in Dardanelles.

    • @mariosmatzoros3553
      @mariosmatzoros3553 Před 2 lety +5

      Do you seriously compare the longevity of the empires you mentioned? Austria-hungary and the Russian empire went to war with the best general in history that managed to dismantle the Holy Roman Empire which was a 1.000 entity. They also had a lot more internal problems than the ottoman empire .

    • @yja496
      @yja496 Před 2 lety +15

      @@mariosmatzoros3553 the point is the Sick man of Europe lived longer than the more modern and industrialized powers. That is a fun fact which many people do not know.

    • @ntonisa6636
      @ntonisa6636 Před 2 lety +9

      yeah outlived them for 4-5 years or so, big effing deal... incidentally the 5 sickest years in the sick man's whole sick existence

    • @yja496
      @yja496 Před 2 lety +9

      @@ntonisa6636 the Sick man still had enough fight to rise from the ashes kick the Greeks out from their great land grab and create the republic of Turkey. So it is a BIG deal.

  • @nicbahtin4774
    @nicbahtin4774 Před 2 lety +3

    9:11 i would say they had alot of success in defeating it self in the Battle of Karánsebes

  • @hbowman108
    @hbowman108 Před 2 lety

    NEW! For 2022! A new special on Tsargrad TV!

  • @Mads_Vel
    @Mads_Vel Před 2 lety

    cool, I did not know this

  • @alexandruchira184
    @alexandruchira184 Před 2 lety

    you have good content idk why you are not popular

  • @gorilladisco9108
    @gorilladisco9108 Před 2 lety +27

    China : "How about a Byzantine with Chinese characteristic?"

  • @Gguy061
    @Gguy061 Před 2 lety +5

    It's not "jabzy"
    .....its Jazz baby! Toddler with a saxophone!

  • @jamesmurphy9105
    @jamesmurphy9105 Před 2 lety +9

    Honestly Russia desired a Warm Water Port for trade
    Constantinople was the only logical city to conquer and open up trade into the
    Mediterranean

  • @AshleyGravesreal
    @AshleyGravesreal Před 2 lety +3

    I did a research and Catherine the Great's husband was officialy a Palaiologos's the Last Roman Royal family so they were the 3rd rome yet lol

  • @matthewmann8969
    @matthewmann8969 Před 2 lety +3

    Making extra enemies, rivals, nemesis, or foes yeah

  • @dantetre
    @dantetre Před 2 lety +18

    11:04 "Do you know any lesser know attempts to brig back old empire?"
    EUIV/HoI4 players: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe" Blade runner meme. :D

  • @orionstark
    @orionstark Před 2 lety +33

    I would argue that Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe were deeply interested in creating a new Roman Republic with The United States. They were all Romanophiles who advocated for a nation composed of militant yeoman farmers who fight under the banner of an Eagle.

    • @TehOmnissiah
      @TehOmnissiah Před 2 lety +13

      You say it like it would have been a bad thing? A Rome 2.0 with hookers and blow…..I mean Abrams and f35s would have been awesome.
      Classical villas and shit everywhere instead of the cardboard houses the yanks currently have

    • @steveniswho9254
      @steveniswho9254 Před 2 lety

      @@TehOmnissiah Agreed!!!!

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 Před 2 lety +1

      I mean in the back of the Dollar bill in Latin it says “New World Order” so that hints at it roo

    • @xELITExKILLAx
      @xELITExKILLAx Před 2 lety +2

      In terms of power and influence, the US is like a modern Roman Empire. A successor? Nah not really, but in comparison to the dominant power of the wester world it’s definitely the same role.

    • @orionstark
      @orionstark Před 2 lety

      @@xELITExKILLAx you have never been to DC. Have you? I have been to The Forum, the Acropolis, and The Mall. The Founders definitely had Solon, Cicero, and Caesar in mind when they built the US capitol.

  • @happybeach777
    @happybeach777 Před 2 lety

    Music is nice

  • @maxwalker1159
    @maxwalker1159 Před 2 lety

    Interesting

  • @Reactionary_Harkonnen
    @Reactionary_Harkonnen Před 2 lety +1

    I hope they do!

  • @Redjoekido
    @Redjoekido Před 2 lety +14

    Trying to restore the Byzantine Empire is like trying to bring back old stuff you threw away many years ago, it would never be the same. It is extremely impossible the replicate the original ingredients of the Roman Empire by the 18th Century.

    • @matthiuskoenig3378
      @matthiuskoenig3378 Před 8 měsíci

      to be fair you wouldn't want to replicate it completely/perfectly anyway. the roman empire was civil war central.

  • @salmansingh66
    @salmansingh66 Před 2 lety

    We were this close to glory and sucess

  • @cebenify
    @cebenify Před 2 lety +6

    Yuan Shi Kai basically was trying to restore the old Chinese empire and Pilsudski wanted the Polish-lithuanian Commonwealth

  • @lllPlatinumlll
    @lllPlatinumlll Před 2 lety +30

    I attempted to revive the Norman Empire but was unable to garner any interest at all. Cheers.

  • @Bakarost
    @Bakarost Před 2 lety +1

    I can only dream

  • @thorfridriksson
    @thorfridriksson Před 2 lety +1

    It's never too late for reconquista of Anatolia!

  • @1_Fish.2_Fish.Red_Fish.
    @1_Fish.2_Fish.Red_Fish. Před 2 lety +3

    I’m too hungover for this.

  • @chainmbl4257
    @chainmbl4257 Před 2 lety

    Really good what if scenario maybe in a another timeline it actually happened

  • @aaronbarreguin.4211
    @aaronbarreguin.4211 Před 2 lety

    Yes.

  • @hemendukany3402
    @hemendukany3402 Před rokem +2

    Spain came back to Christian world after 800 years as a Christian. When do you think Constantinople will be back?

    • @user-ix2gt9kv9n
      @user-ix2gt9kv9n Před rokem

      We will take back Constantinople, God willing ☦️☝️

  • @salmansingh66
    @salmansingh66 Před 2 lety +16

    Once a Sassanid general single handedly brought back the parthian empire which even forced the Sassanids to ask the Romans or bezentines for aid

  • @wilsonli5642
    @wilsonli5642 Před 2 lety +7

    A quibble at 3:08: Catherine was apparently born in Prussia, but she herself was not Prussian: her parents were from the houses of Anhalt and Holstein-Gottorp. If anything, she was in the anti-Prussian faction during the Seven Year's War, and her husband Peter's pro-Prussian inclinations were the reason for his overthrow.

  • @georgios_5342
    @georgios_5342 Před 2 lety +26

    Nice, finally something that is even remotely related to Greece. You could also talk about the Megali Idea. King Constantine of Greece was also named that because the Greeks wanted to recreate the Byzantine Empire, but the plan failed in the end and the Greeks of Asia Minor were all killed.

    • @georgios_5342
      @georgios_5342 Před 2 lety +1

      @Joshua Mills Well you're kinda right but at the same time you're not giving the whole picture. As am I to be frank. The thing is that Turkey and the National assembly killed more or less 1 million Greeks in Anatolia by many cruel ways, and the rest up to 2,5 million were thrown into the sea, left in the European side or had to flee into the USSR from the mountains of Pontos. After this had been done, the Greek government thought that the best thing they could do was to at least get rid of the Turks as well. So the 600.000 Turks in Greece were sent to Turkey. But this was also done to make room for the Greeks that had already come into the Greek peninsula. Approximately 1,3 million Greeks were receiving government aid, and to those 200.000 more were added from Cilicia and Cappadocia at the same time the Turks were leaving. So at least 1,5 million went to Greece, more that didn't need economic aid and went unregistered, while also hundreds of thousands went to Cyprus, French Syria (especially Antiochia), USSR, Egypt (especially Alexandria) and Germany, Britain and America. The "population exchange" was more of a normalisation of the genocide and population replacement that had already forcibly taken place. Greece especially did not have any say in this.

  • @njb1126
    @njb1126 Před 2 lety

    9:10 in other news the sky is blue

  • @theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658

    If the French revolution wasn`t a disaster already. At least we got Napoleon from it.

    • @MessiKingofKings
      @MessiKingofKings Před 2 lety +6

      As if Napoleon wasn't a disaster...

    • @mariosmatzoros3553
      @mariosmatzoros3553 Před 2 lety +2

      @@MessiKingofKings How was he a disaster?

    • @MessiKingofKings
      @MessiKingofKings Před 2 lety

      @@mariosmatzoros3553The vacuum he created after the fall of the HRE for example was filled German nationalism and this increased desire to have a unified German nation would find its worst form in the Nazi ideology where they wanted to carve more land for their "Greater Germany"

    • @Deguu68
      @Deguu68 Před 2 lety +8

      @@MessiKingofKings this is so far streched, napoleon was a genius and many european laws are srill inspired by the code civil. Im glad he existed

  • @axelbruce2685
    @axelbruce2685 Před 2 lety +1

    Can you make a video on history of persia from Persian empire to 2021 iran ?

  • @alessandrogini5283
    @alessandrogini5283 Před 2 lety

    Please make English subtitles

  • @definitelynotnapoleon
    @definitelynotnapoleon Před 2 lety +25

    There have been many people who claimed to be successors of the Roman empire, Slavs will fail like the rest.
    Don't be sad Κωνσταντινούπολη fell, be happy it existed

    • @maddoxlacy9072
      @maddoxlacy9072 Před 2 lety +3

      Or just reclaim it *then* be Rome. Put your money where your mouth is.

    • @halaldunya918
      @halaldunya918 Před 2 lety

      Greeks and Romans stole Anatolia and Egypt (muh Byzantine) from prehistoric Assyrians, Egyptians , Persians, other lost natives. Alexander the Great brutally conquered West Asia , to India. Turks reverse colonised you. LOL, that's life.

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 Před 2 lety +2

      @@halaldunya918 it’s not really stole because of the Rights of Conquest

    • @debangmaity3972
      @debangmaity3972 Před 2 lety

      @@halaldunya918 Alexander got a bloody blow in india lol.

    • @ruin8891
      @ruin8891 Před 6 měsíci

      I only feel disappointment and disgust for the British who prevented it…

  • @KenobiandDookuSoloTheSequels

    What happened Russia we want to bring back an old and powerful Empire instead of helping it when it needed your help

    • @command_unit7792
      @command_unit7792 Před 2 lety +2

      @jevon magnus when the ottomans conqured Constantinople there was no Russia at the time.

    • @command_unit7792
      @command_unit7792 Před 2 lety

      @jevon magnus There was no "Kieven Rus" at the time The grand Duchy of Moscow Became independent from the mongol Golden Hord in 1480 or 27 years after the fall of constantinopol.

    • @command_unit7792
      @command_unit7792 Před 2 lety

      @jevon magnus Sure but technicly it was more of a "Moscow Rus" period because the title of Grand Prince was held by Moscow at the time.
      Kinda like the early History of the Rus before Kiev became its capital is called "Novgorod Rus"

    • @command_unit7792
      @command_unit7792 Před 2 lety

      @jevon magnus Technicly I just responded to your comment...

  • @espurr3496
    @espurr3496 Před 2 lety +1

    The art of my nightmares XD

  • @morsecode980
    @morsecode980 Před 2 lety +1

    One alternative that could’ve happened is that Konstantin could’ve become King/Emperor of Greece after their War of Independence.

  • @scottishbananaclan
    @scottishbananaclan Před 2 lety

    BASED

  • @SyamuNekoSan
    @SyamuNekoSan Před 2 lety

    I came only for RAID's ad.

  • @MBP1918
    @MBP1918 Před 2 lety +3

    Interesting third Rome moment

  • @njb1126
    @njb1126 Před 2 lety +1

    7:12 so it wasn’t named after the trill host?

  • @FirstLast-di5sr
    @FirstLast-di5sr Před 2 lety

    Feb 24th, 2022
    CZcams algorithm doing its voodoo.
    Stay safe everyone, it's a new world out there today... ☮❤

  • @Wolfen443
    @Wolfen443 Před 2 lety

    Is still possible I think, just different leader and tactics.

  • @Andrew_alxf21
    @Andrew_alxf21 Před 2 lety

    Catherine II and Potemkin perhaps one of the coolest couple ever

  • @Tommykey07
    @Tommykey07 Před 2 lety +5

    Restore Ptolemaic Egypt!

  • @eliassmyrneos1247
    @eliassmyrneos1247 Před 2 lety +4

    This plan still remains in place…..

  • @theShaunus
    @theShaunus Před 2 lety +1

    Isn't the painting in the background of the bashi bazhouks violating Bulgarian women?

  • @Veriox22
    @Veriox22 Před 2 lety

    4:12

  • @Tommykey07
    @Tommykey07 Před 2 lety +4

    Tamerlane tried to recreate the Mongol Empire.

  • @reaver5
    @reaver5 Před 2 lety

    Whats the background music you use?

  • @opiterturpilinus2248
    @opiterturpilinus2248 Před 2 lety +2

    It's a shame it never came to fruition

  • @Prigozhyn227
    @Prigozhyn227 Před 2 lety +7

    Auto English subtitles would be much appreciated. Liked your videos watching Chinese history! Also please don’t take sponsorship of raid shadow legends their aggressive marketing is cancer.

  • @command_unit7792
    @command_unit7792 Před 2 lety +13

    Putin:"Sounds like a plan"

  • @admiralcannon5691
    @admiralcannon5691 Před 2 lety +2

    The Japanese offered to reinstate the house of Osman as a puppet kingdom in China for some reason.
    If you don't know, the house of Osman (Osmanoglu) was the Ottoman royal family.

    • @death2denemy
      @death2denemy Před 2 lety

      Really?? Didnt know this.. Pretty cool! Tnx..

    • @samtheman4931
      @samtheman4931 Před 2 lety

      They tried doing that to legitimize claims on china they end up using the last Qing emperor

  • @senseypires8817
    @senseypires8817 Před 2 lety

    the city of world's desire,,

  • @GustavoRodriguez-qr5po
    @GustavoRodriguez-qr5po Před 2 lety +1

    11:06
    You did a video on the restoration of the Ottoman Empire by the Japanese this would be a puppet state

  • @xabier1375
    @xabier1375 Před 2 lety

    the video starts at 1:40

  • @Tommykey07
    @Tommykey07 Před 2 lety +9

    Bring back the Pontic empire of Mithridates! 🤣

  • @marindraganov5897
    @marindraganov5897 Před 2 lety

    For some reason I am having problem to watch this video. I watch other YT videos without a problem and also other videos from this channel. This one though is not starting: it behaves as if I have not got internet connection... :(

    • @marindraganov5897
      @marindraganov5897 Před 2 lety

      EDIT: It finally started. Seems it is not cached enough on the server because it is a new video...

  • @MCorpReview
    @MCorpReview Před 2 lety +2

    The Holy Roman Empire was an attempt to bring back the western Roman Empire and by calling himself Kaiser, the hohenzollerns prob had similar ideas 💡

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 Před 2 lety

      They where pretenders. Not Holy and Not Roman and Not a Empire

    • @MCorpReview
      @MCorpReview Před 2 lety

      @@mysteryjunkie9808 well said Voltaire

  • @jorhay1
    @jorhay1 Před 2 lety

    Who would be the on the green deme?

  • @Azwan1415
    @Azwan1415 Před 2 lety +1

    oh man I thought this was modern day.

  • @DiscothecaImperialis
    @DiscothecaImperialis Před 2 lety +2

    9:34 Prussia cared alot more about Germany politics. They wouldn't really like to see Ottomans conquered because it serves a good distractions even Prussia did prove how good they could do without ones.

    • @aksmex2576
      @aksmex2576 Před 2 lety

      Prussia got conquered by Napoleon during this time....

  • @bell4textu973
    @bell4textu973 Před 2 lety +2

    Constantinopel and most of todays Turkey that has historical christian roots that will be returned back as a fully christian territory by Greece.

  • @theultimatelifeform2633
    @theultimatelifeform2633 Před 2 lety +1

    Was this the same Austrian ottoman war where the battle of karànsebes happened

    • @Stamboul
      @Stamboul Před 2 lety +3

      Yes, the Battle of Karansebes (1788), early in the Austro-Turkish War of 1788-1791. The last of the Austro-Turkish Wars, so ignore what the other guy is selling you.

    • @theultimatelifeform2633
      @theultimatelifeform2633 Před 2 lety

      @@Stamboul thanks

  • @speedzero7478
    @speedzero7478 Před 2 lety

    Its not too late.

  • @rodvafe
    @rodvafe Před 2 lety +2

    In the beginning of the 19th century, In the middle of the Latin American revolutionary wars, there was a plot to revive the Incan empire, and even selected a indigenous noble to become emperor, but they were found out by colonial authorities, and executed for treason

  • @senorwaluigi8515
    @senorwaluigi8515 Před 2 lety

    How about the restoration of the Mughal Empire by Afghanistan in Kaiserreich

  • @kppmullan
    @kppmullan Před 2 lety

    the soviets and the nazis would have been allies in ww2 if the germans agreed to permit them eastern europe to the extent of constantonople but the germans would only agree to partition poland in the molotov von Ribbentrop pact, the bulgarian tsar also had designs on reviving constantonople before the 1st world war in the balkan wars