Camille Paglia: 'Universities Are an Absolute Wreck Right Now'
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- "The universities are an absolute wreck right now," said Camille Paglia. "For decades any graduate student in the humanities who had independent thinking was driven out."
Paglia, the noted cultural critic, university professor, and Salon columnist, sat down with Reason's Nick Gillespie to discuss whether we should still look to universities for cultural production and knowledge. She noted a shift in attitude toward authority on campus: Students used to look for ways to get administrators out of their private lives; today's college kids are calling for more control over their lives.
"It's a nightmare, an outrage, and none of the faculty have fought back. [...] They pretend to be leftists, they're pygmys; they are passive worms; not to fight back against the bureaucrats," says Paglia.
Paglia-who also offered her take on Beyonce's new album, Lemonade, Prince's career, and why she prefers early Madonna-sat down with Gillespie at Reason Weekend 2016, the annual donor event for the nonprofit that publishes Reason.com and Reason magazine. The event took place April 28 through May 1, 2016 in Phliadelphia.
About 33 minutes.
Shot by Paul Detrick and Todd Krainin. Edited by Detrick.
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Man, does she ever cut through all the postmodern B.S. It's a pleasure to listen to her.
I once sat at lunch with a young college student who was a lit. major. I tried to engage her in a conversation on Dostoevsky's "Brothers Karamazov". She had no idea what I was talking about. Then she rattled off the same writers Camille Paglia just mentioned. I said to her that she wasn't learning literature but being indoctrinated.
Wow! She did an amazing job hitting all the right targets! My neck is hurting from nodding so much...
All her logic talk made my dick tired.
She totally misrepresented Lacan's theories. Although it may feel great to be in agreement, she's not giving you correct information in a big part of this talk, bc of her own ideological bias.
Les non dupes-errent. Google that if you are in for a trip.
A stance of rejecting ideologies is not an ideology.
causing your neck to hurt is a form of oppression
melanieenmats really is a shitlord. When I googled "Les non
dupes-errant," I did not find anything except a moldy old book
for sale on eBay. There is not even a Wiki entry for "Les non
dupes-errant." Esoteric is right.
She is absolutely right about the Administrative Class - the ruined our health care system, our public education, and now our universities. The professors are an embarrassment for allowing this to happen. Just look at what has been happening to my alma matter Michigan State University!
My Jesuit educated husband taught for twenty years. 14,000+ students. What she is saying is what he observed: a downhill erosion of intellectual standards and an effective indoctrination program. So sad. Horrifying, really, what they have done to our once wonderful nation.
Although I do not always agree with Camille Paglia, it is clear that she is one of the most honest, clear-thinking public intellectuals in America at this time.
Agreed.
Right, we aren't supposed to agree with a person all the time in order to have respect for their integrity and ideas. The biggest problem with my generation (gen-Z, but millennials and gen X are guilty too) is that we are so damn quick to shut people down when they deviate from the mainstream hyper PC narrative. I am by no means conservative, but I respect how people on the right actually seem to listen to each other. The left is ripping itself to shreds in order to not offend anyone.
@@joecleveland6525 I don't think gen X are afflicted that much, they have too much experience to fall for it. This has definitely become a thing with social media becoming the new agora. Gen Z seems to take pride in not letting any voices out there that may be controversial or unpopular, the amount of times I've talked to a 20 year old who thinks people need to get fired from even their own private companies for a social mistake here or there, is astonishing. I'm not sure what to say of the millennials... even though there's a lot of media reports criticizing their behaviour, I'm hard pressed to find much of what they actually do or think. The silencing has to stop all around tho, stop celebrating it, stop calling for people to get fired and shunned. Just stop.
agreed
Agreed
I appreciate this woman, honesty is so rare nowadays
Camille is a true feminist, smart and powerful. She is a person who we all need to listen to.
I have become obsessed with Camille Paglia. She is like an intellectual whirlwind. Glorious!
Sounds like a personal problem to me!
I wish i could download her knowledge into my brain. She knows so much.
She's pro-chomo.
actually, she is quite old school but trapped in this modern hellscape. this is what that looks like.
@Adenoid Hynkel Whose problem?
Brilliant, gutsy, spitfire woman. Humanities departments in America desperately need more like her. Never had the luck to be taught by one even half as spunky as Camille. SIGH.
When I was 15 I started on a "read all the great books" endeavor and I continued it for three years and the experience was the greatest gift I ever gave myself and it has been an enormous help to me in my life.
What are the top three?
@@Teller3448 Brothers Karamazov, War & Peace, Crime & Punishment. The Russians have given us much literary greatness.
I did the same.
@@DHU11
I definitely agree. Imagine my surprise when I see the European left demonizing Russian culture.
@@DHU11 I struggled appreciating War & Peace, but was very moved by The Gulag Archipelago Volume 1.
I'm worried about Paglia slowing down in her old age. I was easily able to follow this after only 8 lines of coke.
😮😮😮LOL!
+10mintwo Completely cracked me up!! Good one!
HA HA!
I see what you did there.
Very funny. Think of Camille as someone speaking a foreign language. Eventually you get it....
Thank God for Camille Paglia.
I started keeping a notebook of things I needed to remember while I was in the Army. I continued this practice when I returned to college. At the end of semesters I would boil down my notes to the essentials and add them. I did independent research and reading, and I always took notes. Somewhere in there I started keeping a Quotes notebook as well. My life changed when I discovered this one quote, and I felt vindicated for every argument I had with teachers and professors alike. From Jacob Bronowski, "It is important that students bring a certain ragamuffin barefoot irreverence to their studies; they are not here to worship what is known, but to question it." I had only ONE professor who would take my initial argument and turn it around, sending me to write a paper to explain or defend my position. Extra credit was not the point, learning was, and he understood that the latter is whet energized me.
She's right, the youth have been taught not to question authority, and want more authority. And we're in for a world of hurt when they have to step up and become the authority. There won't be anyone there to lead them anymore.
They will be fascists and lead to the deaths of millions.
She's absolutely correct on university elective courses.
Camille is a fireball, and I like it.
This woman is brilliant!
brionbact
Nah....what individuals did she blame? Specifically?
if you question authority, even out of pure curiosity they will at best ask you to leave the room
Shame and mob mentality. It cracks me up in a sad way that this is considered "liberal."
+John Harrison It depends on what you mean by 'authority.' I know of a white middle class student who aggressively challenged a tenured professor and tried to get him fired because something he said struck her as politically incorrect ---- she had misunderstood completely btw. Is that challenging authority? Were China's teen-aged Red Guards challenging authority when they assaulted their teachers and parents? Or were they blindly following the authority of Chairman Mao, who seemed to approve such acts?
DucksDeLucks lol, way to cherry pick. No, I'm talking about the instances of protests being ignored by the media, and police getting away with murder&assault. Or how things like the estate tax, legalization, healthcare, and money in politics are pretty unanimously agreed upon and yet our "elected" officials can't seem to represent those beliefs.
+John Harrison This has happened to me so many times in college. One professor wanted me to agree with him that a character in this book was a closet homosexual, which I don't think he was, A teacher education class professor kept preaching about the positive aspects of communism and at the end of class. I simply politely asked about the atrocities under Stalin and Mao. Instead of answering me, he huffed and puffed like I had the NERVE to question him. Unbelievable.
NoPartyAffiliation lol, who's side are you attempting to support because it sounds more like my side than his
This woman is such a brilliant one, she changed my life literally.
Her Postmodernism discussion with Jordan Peterson was also a top notch video to watch.
I thought I was a polar opposite of Paglia, but I could not agree with her more on so many things. I love her intellect and brave and bold honesty. She is AWESOME! She has one thing most liberals don't--COMMON SENSE.
she has huge balls
MrKaitland you do know that "reason TV" is technically liberal (libertarian)? Don't just chunck people into groups. Thats not a lot of common sense on your part.
THAT'S stupid; as in "THAT IS." Go back to third grade. Fail on your part.
Libertarian and Liberal are two different things jandro. You're dumb.
"CHUNCK" ??? WTF ???
common sense should provide you with the basic insight that CZcams comment sections are an informal place to share ideas (amongst strangers no less...) - and being an informal platform, simple grammatical errors can be expected without showing any indications about an individual's intellect, literacy, or writing ability. Surely you know that many people are probably using their phone to type comments quickly, on small screens, and perhaps in less-than-ideal locations (e.g. crammed on a crowded bus or subway that's moving) Surely you know that this person meant to write, "chuck" as in: to toss carelessly. So, with common sense, a cursory glance should make you realize this. I didn't capitalize the first word in this comment - do I need called out for that and an assumption made about my intelligence? I don't think so; just as I don't think your use of all-caps and --here's that special word again, ready? - an -*-informal-*- acronym, like "WTF" is a reflection of your writing talents or intellect. Acronyms like that are meaningless and/or inappropriate to be used in any other setting and you damn-well know that, so the smart-guy act is not only an attempt to be pretentious (an attempt because you actually have to be arrogant -*-and-*- say something meaningful or useful -- you only ticked the box for arrogance...), but it's also fucking annoying.
You showcased the common and depressing internet comment section trope of the person that becomes an asshole and defensive the second that anyone makes a point or claim that isn't completely linear in content and tone to their own. So, get out your little red pen and find all the errors that I have surely made here in this comment (comma splices, improper hyphenations, and w/e else
This made my day. Camille Paglia has long been one of my personal heroes. Thank you for the longer form video, I much prefer them to little sound bites.
She is dead on right how humour is fading...and so quickly.
Two years later, and we've got Hannah Gadsby going around and bragging that she "broke" comedy.
Gee, what am achievement.
@@thirdpowerful1 what Hannah doesn’t realize is that SHE is the joke.
a woke future is a humorless one. just like how communism was
So refreshing to see real anger. That leads to action. We need this.
She is so right about the West heading towards the bottom.
I am a "refugee" from academia. My dream was -- and still is -- to become a humanities professor. But all the crap about Derrida, Foucault, and the rest of the gang...and post modernism -- my God, you would've thought they had discovered cold fusion! -- made a life in academia unbearable. At first, I endured. But eventually I concluded that these people teaching Marxism, feminism, post-modernism, and promoting all the usual suspects that Paglia mentions are: 1) Not intelligent, 2) Sheep, and 3) Possibly nuts. For the most part, their writings are unintelligible and theoretical. It's like listening to two Scotsmen with thick accents: even THEY don't know what they're saying.
In graduate school I sat with my jaw on the floor as two professors taught us how to teach. One of my fellow Graduate instructors -- a woman -- told a "heart-rendering" story of how she once gave an interpretation of a poem and a male in the classroom disagreed with her. During her sordid tale, the tears started and the two professors group hugged the poor girl and said they felt her pain: "If something like that EVER happens to a student, you MUST come to us and we will take it to the Dean for immediate action!"
Huh? Someone disagrees with your feminist interpretation of a poem and it's grounds for a report to the Dean? That's when I knew universities had lost their marbles. It was later confirmed for me when an older married student whose husband was a very successful business man and who drove a Bentley and lived on an estate with butlers and maids, proudly announced during the last class when asked to convey what she had learned over the semester, "I never realized to what extent I am oppressed!"
So I went into math and science and made millions as a finance guy. Hey, behind every cloud there's a silver lining.
Ah, yes. Anyone who succeeds has done so only by "stealing." Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Fischer....they all succeeded by stealing. It had nothing to do with talent. Well here's the thing: if you were to follow my comments on the internet, you would see that I warn people endlessly about the folly of their pseudo-economic politics. I practically beg those who hold views that have been proven to be injurious to their liberty, their children's prospects, and their personal financial success to examine alternatives. Many times I am shouted down by those who hold the opposing view -- never with facts, of course, because our society has long since lost the ability to reason with logic and has instead been reduced to children believing in fairy tales that make them feel good in the moment.
In the end, I have to place my bets based on what i know will be the outcome of political folly supported by an army of ignorant ideologues who honestly think that 1+ 1 cannot equal 2 if it makes them feel bad. Quite honestly, for me investing has become like shooting fish in a barrel. Give me any month and I could double your money by simply betting against the emotionally-charged financial ignorance of the masses.
Now remember, I do my best to show people that what they believe will hurt them. But, as an example, Stan Druckenmiller, one of the greatest traders of the last 40 years, gets 2000 hits when he explains in fairly precise terms how the economy will unfold over the next 2 years. Yet, anything to do with pop culture gets 500 million hits. The worst part is, the people following Kim Kardashian instead of Druckenmiller, then turn around and say -- as you have -- that those 1% keep getting richer while they are getting poorer, so the 1% must be have done something evil to get there. Not so.
Then the left continues to promote economic policies that absolutely ravage the poorest among us while pretending to support the poor, when in fact they keep the poor secure in the basement as captive voters, like a deformed nephew in a 19th Century novel. I particularly enjoy the rallying cries by the likes of Michael Moore against capitalism. Contrary to what he promotes in his multi-million-dollar-earning documentaries, 800 million people have been lifted out of poverty since 2000, not by government programs, not by the UN, not by NGO's, but because much of Asia, primarily China, adopted capitalism. To paraphrase Churchill: "capitalism is the worst economic system in the world....except for all the others." The left realized long ago that they must perpetuate the poor and the oppressed in order to support their voter base. It is truly despicable and sad.
The beauty of trading and investing is that there is a score card that depends on reality: you either make money or you do not. In politics, if you screw up, simply run back to the tax payer for more money, or spin your loss in a way so that the ignorant masses start to believe it was a win. In academia, pseudo-intellectuals can argue ad infinitum over the correctness of an idea. This is why I love trading: it does not care what color your skin is, it does not care if you are male or female, it does not care if you are an intellectual at Harvard with all the right friends who attends all the right parties, ....and it does not suffer fools. Trading is the most egalitarian method in the world of making a living because at its fundamental level, it is as blind as justice is supposed to be.
I am a trader.
Here's what I would ask you to please do. Go to Sub-Saharan Africa where some of the poorest people on the planet live. Walk up to the most decrepit mud hut that you can find. Now, stand outside it and give a speech about political and economic philosophy. Tell them about the evils of profit, how humanity should care more, and how we should all strive to be the best that we can be as humans. Make sure to wave your arms in grand gestures to show that you REALLY mean it. Fill it with passion, fill it with emotion!!!
And when you are done, turn and walk away, get on your plane, fly back home and re-post to let me what kind of an impact your speech had on the family living in the mud hut.
What I have just described is what virtually all politicians, all social justice wannabes, all academics, and the leaders of the charity industry do every single day. A lot of words and virtually no measurable change. In contrast, my daughter was going to become a doctor because she really enjoys helping people. She has been overseas many times and seen REAL poverty (not what we call poverty in the West with all the safety nets financed by tax payers). When she saw people in rural China escaping poverty by being able to own property and to sell their skills; when she saw teenagers in Zambia lifting not only themselves out of poverty, but also their families by selling programming apps for iPhones, the light went on for her: She realized that a doctor can help one patient at a time; a finance major can turn around an entire nation. She got a degree in business. She and her friends have already arranged micro loans through a Wall Street finance company that provides funds for more of those kids in Zambia to learn programming skills that they are selling. The liquidity for the securitization of those loans that makes them tradeable and viable is provided by people like myself You see, without traders providing liquidity, the markets would be incredibly inefficient and would most likely crash, leading to a subsistence existence for every working person in the West, and by extension, no money for social programs, education, or healthcare. We have to realize when we look at the world's poor, "There but for the grace of capitalism go I."
I have always said: "Ideology is the most important thing in the world! -- until the toilet stops working." In other words, people who do not understand that EVERYTHING they have is a result of a finance and economic system that they do not understand will keep chipping away at it until it is gone. The result? Venezuela -- a formerly prosperous nation filled with crime, food shortages, corruption, a collapsing legal system and anarchy....all on top of the second largest oil reserves on Earth. Even in the face of untold wealth, humans can screw it up with naive socialist ideology.
So who does more....a talker or someone who uses their money to solve the world's problems?
I agree with you. Please see my response to Beware Park County Colorado above for a more extensive reply. Thanks for your comments.
Again, I absolutely agree with you. And the alternative is..........(?)
I wish I could tell your story and make it about my life, but that would be fiction, lol.
Preach it, Camille. So fast, so fiesty, so on point and so so much of what we need to hear and learn from as a nation.
I was fighting that stuff in college 30 years ago. I wrote a paper in which I dismantled the logical fallacies of the major deconstructionists. My professor, who admitted that he didn't understand them, and that he couldn't find any flaws in my paper, nevertheless down-graded me because he claimed I must have misrepresented them. Interestingly, in France, my professor told me that the French understand that deconstruction is an intellectual joke. They laugh that Americans take it seriously.
There was no hope of getting through to anyone on campus even thirty years ago. Almost all the women in my classes would become violently angry when I spoke. They would claim that I was using logic to make them look like fools, and that logic had been "proven" invalid. Minds that can thrive on so much irony are impervious to reason, and immune to conscience.
Timothy Kuring where can I find information on this topic, there’s nothing online for it?
Derrida was never take seriously by French philosophers, being viewed as an eccentric crank. It's odd how his ideas took hold in the US literature departments
@@harrisonwintergreen1147 Yeah, I year or so later, I told a French professor in France about how my paper was treated in America, and he told me almost exactly the same thing. He said French intellectuals understood Derrida to be a joke, sort a comedy spoof of intellectuals, and only Americans took him seriously, for some reason. It was nice to find that I wasn't alone in my opinion, because the kinds of opinions I was running up against made me wonder about everyone else's sanity. Feminists shouted at me that I was attacking the foundation of feminism: Derrida?! Insane Clown World.
Was there any university that wasn't wallowing in the muck by the nineties?
@@timothykuring3016 do you have any online references of Derrida not being taken seriously outside of America? I know by testimony from many that this is the case, but always seem to be underpinned in debates demanding evidence (even though they don't believe in evidence 😂)
@@munibali2242 Anecdotally, you can look up how the Philosophy faculty at Cambridge wrote a letter in protest of the university honoring him, basically because he was a charlatan.
The pendulum swings back and forth, left and then right. Right up until the country and culture fails and no longer exist.
Profound observation! And wouldn't you know! The solution is to step out of the false, Left-Right narrative and choose critical thinking and unconditional love of others, instead. Identity detection is the lowest form of intelligence.
Rod Martin, Jr. Being a centrist where one see's both sides clearly. Its were joy is found in the silence of all the noise if you know what I mean!
The Enlightened Kiwi
not an easy line to stay on and it's easy to be teetered to both sides
Thermodynamic Emotion teeter's. Soul is solid.
It's called a "decline" for a reason. It is not an abrupt end. Our society is gradually unraveling. At no point (unless the nukes fly) will it suddenly cease to exist.
that is my point.
I work my ass off to go to US, to have a better life, pay a fortune to enter a famous college and they tell me that I will not learn anything usefull to have a good job or even work in society.
Incredible. This woman has COMMON SENSE.
Most people are much too afraid to jeopardize their paychecks. That's what it boils down to.
She is beyond of the common sense!
Camille is awesome .. love to listen to her reasoning.
this woman is amazing. we need more her in the movement. she's actually striving for progress
thedirtye she’s been a rock star for 30 plus years she’s unique and opinionated she needs to be cloned but turn her larynx down one dial
progressives all want to establish a totalitarian government to enforce their orthodoxy, whether it's orthodoxy on abortion to their orthodoxy on definition of racism.
progressives are literally regressive.
No she's not?
What “movement”?
I've studied up to an MA level in Literature. I love engaging with literature but I hated all the literary theory we had to learn about - postmodernism, deconstructionism, marxism etc. I noticed a lot of my fellow students were resistant to it too.
All my MA has been is purely critical theory. We didn’t spend enough time on the actual literature for me to comprehend anything meaningful :/
This lady is great. It takes a lot of energy to cut through the B.S., it is so deep today.
If you have an actual criticism of her thoughts, I would like to hear it. These days especially, one has to listen to someone speak for a long time sometimes before the negatives reveal themselves. It is very possible that I am missing what you are referring to. What's up?
I had both the Art History survey courses and the English literature and American literature survey courses. Those courses are a crucial foundation for any serious student. Not only do you get a sweeping historical view of art and literature, you also learn so much about world history and heritage, and the cultural contexts in which the art and literature were created.
Oh god...thanks for this. I was a graduate student trying to get through a PhD, focusing upon a philosopher outside of the regressive left canon, and teaching in the department. The daily pressure to adhere to not just those canonized by leftist robots, but having to embrace the ignorance of so many ideologically driven students in their adherence to mere leftist dogma, or praising totalitarian systems of religious...ideology out of reverence to the fucking "other". More conservative professors hounded out of their positions by students hacking into their emails to expose un-PC views.
PhD remains incomplete. University not a place for actual thinking.
I once wanted to work in a lab, working with bacteria. All I wanted to do was study bacteria. Now I work in a factory. Great money, I was born to be a factory guy. I even get to work in a lab (but with chocolate) too! They pushed me out, so I quit and rebuilt my life. Hope you did the same folks.
OK i Love this woman, If i was in college today i want her as my teacher!!
If she thought US universities were in the doghouse 6 years ago, I can only imagine what she thinks now.
Camille is getting a real resurgence. She's just so interesting (and way ahead of her time). I like her point that all of the brilliant thinkers of the 60s got fried and never put their ideas into material form is so thought-provoking. It means the prestige of universities went to second rate, careerist intellectuals who were simply the last man (or woman) standing. It explains a lot.
Camille has always been worth listening to.
As a 46 year old woman who will never have a home or family I will say she is totally correct. University was a complete and total waste of time. Oddly enough I knew it at the time and actually envied welfare moms I met. I was a "good" girl though and felt the need to do what society told me. "Good" people finish last.
joe jarden
University got me contract work. WOW. Yipee!! I should have had a family in my twenties and gone into "career mode" in my late thirties. Society, however, still times everyone according to what is best for men. 19 year old girls in university are wasting their time. They end up with NOTHING. Your refusal to see a different point of view tells me you are an MBA administrator working at a university feeding naive children bullshit. Shame on you!! You are ruining lives.
joe jarden
Kids go to university because that is what society tells them to do and it is what their brainwashed parents think is best. They also do it because it does make them a "better" person but it is a huge mistake. They enter a workforce where all the jobs have been shipped to China WITH an insane student debt load on their back that they end up paying for for their entire life. They are being lied to and it is criminal.
coweatsman Yep. I'll add that women are attracted to intelligence while men are attracted to a hot bod. 30,000 years of evolution has created very real differences which only fools dismiss. If the future belongs to Allah that may not be such a bad thing.
I agree with you. I too fell for the lie and in my most beautiful years would dismiss men as not important to me.
Somehow I fell for the lie that a woman can have it all, even find her perfect mate after 30. What a rude awakening it's been!
You are absolutely sick. You don't think humans can evolve into something greater? You want to go back to slavery and human parasitism? Well, okay. Have fun with that. If humans ever colonize other planets you sure as hell won't be invited.
I feel sorry for anyone who thinks college is necessary to teach you how to think. With the exception of a handful of certain disciplines, it's a dying institution and not worth the money.
College is now an extension of child abuse and neglect for most topics. The statement - show me a comment from a tenured professor about equality and objectivity, and I guarantee they have balanced retort for "How many Republicans do you have in your sociology department?"
She is the anti-matter for the pathetic academic tenured professors of today. She is and always has been on the forefront on thinking and culture. There is a great conversation between her and Jordan Peterson.. worth listening to...
paying 5x of what it used to be to get indoctrinated into a skillless, resentful mentality. hard pass.
Can't believe this talk was held in 2016. Seriously, it may as well have been last week. Absolutely nothing has changed in her critique of the system.
0:43 Absolutely yes. They became far too inclusive with far too many churning through onward to employment that didn't actually require a university education. The bar was lowered and lowered as more and more came through because it was great business.
Camille Paglia is a very necessary voice in these dark times.
Today dark times are much more dark than then.
" creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training" Anna Freud.
Thank you, Camille !
You are as insightful as ever.
Since I discovered Camille a month ago, my brain has been burning with the image of a debate between Camille and Butler...
Longtime fan of Camille, but the only part of her formula I really disagree with is the uniform dismissal of psychoanalytic criticism. She, herself, is a piece of the antidote - people should really be struggling with great paradoxes in order to progress through courses on philosophy and humanities. There are profound questions which are quite psychologically disabling for the majority of humanity, and they can be asked effectively by people like Paglia who present strong cases, sometimes for bad ideas. I think it would be heroic if people confronted bad ideas in University, presented strongly. There are bad, strong ideas on the left and the right. Agree completely that women's studies should confront science, hormones, endocrinology -- similarly, an economist should have to confront not just economic ideas of Marx but moral realities of labor, like slavery in India. There must be a better way to raise people to ask ethical questions. Otherwise, fuck, just shut it all down and turn them into trade schools. Having said all that, I completely agree, the university administration is the bloated monster overhead which will doom it all, and they must be dismantled or betrayed.
When I was in school in the early 80s we had some degree of that which you espouse. Obviously no more.
I'd love to hang out with Camille Paglia just for a few drinks and a laugh, I could listen to her all day. She has so many interesting character traits and quirks. I love her sharp wit and that superfast, no-nonsense, tackle me if you dare aggression in the way she handles her self. She IS Fun!
I did the two semesters of art history survey she mentions aren't really available anymore. It's a shame if that's true, because I learned not just art history in them, but a lot of history in general. In the regular history courses I took, I mostly just learned about the political philosophies and agendas of the professors (feminism, Marxism, etc). Plus, I actually learned a lot about religion, in order to understand what the art was about. The classes functioned as a sort of "safe place" to talk about history in a normal way that wouldn't be allowed in other classes.
I took the survey of Art History course in my first year undergrad (teacher training) My academic adviser told me "You will never get a job" I replied "I am here to get an education not a job" Totally agree;if you look at the overview of art history you can see the development of the intellect of the human race -
I agree.
I agree your primary goal of going to a college/university is to get an “education.” However, one cannot overlook the insane costs of a college degree today. My wife and I had a combined student loan debt of 31K and that included her Master’s program. We were able to pay it off in two (2) years. Doing a simple cost/benefit analysis is more important today than it has ever been when you’re deciding what you’re going to major. Accumulating over 100K+ in student loan debt to get a degree in a field with an average salary of 40K is not the best way to start your adult life. That kind of debt combined with a low salary will prevent a person from being able to buy a home or start a family.
Wooooow!!!! This is a really great video.This lady is sooooo awesome. She has to be one of the most intelligent and wisest thinkers in the history of humanity. Thanks to whom ever made this.
This woman is fascinating.
This just showed up in my feed, six years later. Fantastic .
"I'm still on the roll..!" Guhhhh she's so cool hahahaha
Very refreshing to discover this clip as being from Australia I had not heard of Camile Pagilia. Her comments verify everything that I have surmosed instinctively. As a casual teacher in the education system I feel neoliberalism ( which I equate with the growing bureacracy that now exists so as to limit and control human behaviour towards a narrow ideological end) has infected not only the system but those who are supposed to resist its spread. Anyhow, could go on but thanks again for this clip. I need to see more learned comments such as this....
I know I’m late to this party but I have to cheer you on …
Yes … YES .. YES … Y E S ‼️‼️
I wish someone had told me I don’t have to go to college, I don’t have to be completely independent as a woman (I can rely on a husband but that means I need to find a reliable husband), I can still read books and intelligently digest them without having a degree for it! I regard my 5-6 years in undergraduate/graduate humanities a huge disappointment and waste of that time. I feel that I’ve lost motivation, lost drive, lost brain cells while in college. I graduate for good in 2 weeks and I will never look back.
You're touching on the great untruth there, in my eyes, one of the most toxic fallacies of contemporary opinion on relationships - RELY ON YOUR MAN! A good man wishes to serve, it's in his bones, he wishes to be asked to be relied upon. Maybe not all but, being 44 now, I look back over my relationships today, which were almost exclusively with outspoken feminist types and the one thing I find hard to forgive still, is their refusal to recognise or appreciate a man's, this man's desire to serve his partner, and then, if forthcoming, his family. Instead, there was an aversion to any serving, or, man serves but those women were so deep in their anti-oppression rhetoric that they threw the baby out with the bath water and refused any possibility of serving in case it was taken as subservience, whereas the reality is that, in a healthy relationship, serving your partner - if that is reciprocated - is one of the greatest, most loving pleasures that a relationship grants us. Get rid of that and soon end up with two strangers meeting to sleep together saying "I'M FINE ALONE! I DON'T NEED ANYONE!" ...And so they are alone.
Tis a very sad stare of affairs that and, to me, something which today, after seeing that same behaviour again and again, leaves me with one thing at the top of my list: "Next time, she won't be a feminist." ...Because that "I don't need a man, or you, I can do everything on my own" attitude is the death knoll of any truly loving, appreciative, MUTUALLY respectful partnership... because what actually happens is, she expects to be served but refuses to return the favour. Not to sound bitter, but, sadly, it's true... see the effort most men put into learning how to please their partners in bed in comparison to the other as a clear reflection of this.
The devil IS in these details.
“Jews” directed feminism, racism and urbanism. All these were prerequisites to communism.
It's the same crowd that doesn't think Mel Brooks films are funny, because they find them offensive.
Payhole Everdouche
it would be impossible to produce a Mel Brooks movie today.
I studied Music for years and on my return to school I change to Physics; I was pushed out of humanities and liberal arts by "liberals"....
RetemVictor Same story here. I started in the Arts and ended with an Archaeological Science degree.
She's exactly right about Baby Boomers and post modernism
She is so fascinating.
*inhales deeply*
hahaha!!
you mean, forgets to inhale deeply.
Wow! Yeah, she needs to slow down and take a breath. It's like she did an eight ball before going on stage.
Its probably from trying to get her point in between the boos and screams of SJWs that can't handle opposing ideas.
I find her energy fascinating and make it so much easier to follow her.
STEM and humanities are pitted against each other like the classes are pitted against each other. am I wrong
I loved that Paglia dealt with biology with respect to a possible cause for the mass unhappiness among younger women. It's true that we live in ancient bodies as a species, and the social constructs of career and education don't squelch those urges. We're lucky to have thinkers like Paglia.
Camille is so right. These students have no idea about history, and are stuck with their ideologue professors. That is why they spout Marxist rhetoric, they are told about marxism, and on paper it sounds awesome, but then they are not taught what applied Marxist ideology actually ends up becoming. In every single place in the world where it is tried. They don't know this, so when you point it out to them, they just say idiotic pointless rhetoric such as "Well that wasn't real marxism", then you go in detail, about how exactly it fit Marxs mold, and they just clam up. It happens every single time.
What essay or book does that excerpt come from?
And Capitalism alone is the best we can offer?
A type of egalitarianism is what you described. Let's call it neo-egalitarianism. An egalitarian model for the modern developed world.
*****
I'm not a republican.
***** I think egalitarianism in its basic form is people helping each other to succeed instead of holding people down because of greed, selfishness, and social disparity. That's the definition I would use.
The number of people who say they can't follow her speech is alarming. Goes on to show just how dumbed down be have become.
It's not her arguments she has a hard time fully pronouncing words and speaks too quickly. It's hard to hear not hard to understand.
@@bennym5244. I agree. It’s not the content, it’s the delivery. I find her speech patterns very disruptive and uncomfortable. I can listen a short while and then I have to stop.
@@davidmayhew8083 She does indeed sit down for an informal debate with Jordan, there is a video. But I also have concerns over mr.Peterson's communication and delivery, as an educator. I always have so much respect for intellectuals to explain things in a clear and concise way using as little words and hand wringing as possible. Douglas Murray is good, he gives short but profound answers and statements that have more impact, save time and gives the hapless student time to calibrate the notes they are furiously taking. Jordan goes into obsessively long explanations right around the houses and down rabbit holes and it's hard to keep up. Maybe he's spent too long in academia, the real professionals always keep things simple.
@@davidmayhew8083 Yes the more easy your philosophy is to understand the more hard work, research and brain storming you have done. Simplicity is a noble virtue you have done the exhaustive work for the benefit of your adepts and mankind. A true act of discipline and rationale..
Would love to watch her in conversation with Ben Sharpio.
They could have a 60 minute conversation in 20 minutes
I am so very glad that left liberal passion and imagination are not entirely dead.... As a 25 year old, who enjoys a lot of 1950s and 1960s cultural movements and the liberation that took place, I have been thoroughly disheartened by the ideologically moribund culture so far this century. The greatest expression of independence now is essentially dying your hair, adopting some contrite pretentious diet persuasion and being passively aggressive to literally everyone that dares to exist. I consider myself liberal, but distinctly NOT this SJW, safe space, micro-aggression, self-obsessed liberal of nowadays. But rather the exploratory and experimentally liberating liberal that sees beyond empty labels and oppressive state power. I am glad there are more people other than Milo Yiannopolous, who recognise that.
good interview, Fonz!
TRUTH, is the ONLY "Authority". And Ms. Paglia is thankfully pounding it forward. Thanks.
Excellent précis of the state of modern American universities. Despite being Ivy League educated and possessing a UC PhD, I've largely gone into semi-retirement out of frustration. This reads like the proverbial breath of fresh air
Note to Reason TV: Get a sound equalizer to make the sound levels consistent and compensate for the inexperience of the student running the equipment.
Anybody that Calls "Revenge of the Sith" the greatest work of art of the past 30 years, has nothing intelligent to say about art.
opensprit who said that ?
Image her talking to Ben Shapiro, it would be a frenzy of non stop words
Camilla is a sharp woman
Camille*
Glad to hear from you. I would agree. It's interesting how even feminists and atheists like her can be so enjoyable when normally the generic atheists and feminists are just useless liberals in a different form
I am skeptical of anyone who claims to be "free speech"yet votes for Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein... I have yet to see any interviewer ask about this paradox
Camille sees the trees and knows she's in the forest. It's not language, it's reality.
I agree with almost everything she says. But I will say that I come from a poorer working class family and most of my cousins got married around 18 and had babies right away. They are no less "unhappy" then the upper middle class women. It's true that women haven't adjusted yet to having kids later and that does lead to many frustrations and difficulties. But there's a plethora of issues that come with having families early in life. We're all unhappy in some way - it's the great curse of being human.
Paglia has such a warmth,and grace to her very presence.She simply lights up the room.
It's a pity that Camille Paglia is the greatest defender of art in a world where the arts departments, universities, galleries, and many museums are hostile to the idea she expressed here: the ability of art to bring together, and make sense of, a variety of experience. She concentrates only on popular art, unfortunately, which is just as subject to the forces of propaganda as the fine arts and, though certainly close to death by asphyxiation, not all fine art is narrow propaganda, despite the art schools' best attempts from about 1985 onward. I like the fact that she's named after Virgil's great warrior-woman, Camilla, in The Aneid. It fits.
Art died around 1924. What we see now is the dead corpse attracting flies.
As she points out, women's studies offers no courses in biology or endocrinology, nor are any courses required. I was always baffled by the grotesque scientific ignorance of so many women, and now it's explained, and by something that was right in front of my nose. Why didn't I think of that before? Women's studies without some grounding in biology and endocrinology is impossible!
The only criticism that I would make in this exchange is this: Is Gillespie trying to be offensive to Paglia, through his inane and off putting remarks, or, is he merely, stupid?
The subtle put downs reflect very poorly, on him, as it appears that he has almost NO understanding of what Paglia is saying!
University campuses within Australia, are producing students from Arts and social science faculties, whom have almost no knowledge, whatsoever, to equip them for the real world; from those to whom I have spoken, they appear dumber after university, then before they attended. Gillespie, is a case in point.
She's like Karen Straughan on speed.
***** Ad hominem attack.
***** I pity you, wedded to an ideology instead of facts.
No she doesn't.
Paglia is now being embraced by the right. But I am old enough to remember when she absolutely blamed men for everything. She’s not some MRA like the right believes. Read her older stuff from the 2nd wave era. She’s no friend to men
@@msabigailflurm1163 Why should she be?
Amen Camille, Amen. It is.
I agree with Camille Paliga: If a young women gets married and has a child at 20; by the time the child is 20, the woman is 40 - at 40, she's still young - young enough to spend the next 20+ years being a doctor, lawyer artist etc.
I like these longer videos:)
I would be mortified to be in the same room with a bunch of literature students doing eyerolls during a discussion about Dostoyevsky. Yet that’s how they behave now. Complete know-nothings pretending that a genius writer is a big pretentious bore.
Yes, it's agonizing. Many of them don't even read the assigned selections. Of those who do, most won't bother to look up unfamiliar words or allusions. Time was, students who couldn't answer the instructor's questions wouldn't make eye contact and would have the grace to look embarrassed if you called on them. Now they just stare at you, knowing that you can't put any of them on the spot because that would "humiliate" them. Calling students to account will earn you an interview with the chair of your department, who will ask why you are antagonizing your students. And of course your students will trash you on their anonymous evaluations. If you are thinking of becoming a university instructor, give your head a shake.
She seems smart, but she writes for Salon. My brain is confused.
She is one of the original columnists for Salon, when the site launched in 1995. Back then Salon was a much different website that offered a diverse array of political and social criticism. Paglia herself has been highly critical of the paritsan direction Salon has taken over the past few years.
Salon is without a doubt among the worst putrid media out there. It deffinitely spawned out of people like herself, no matter if they were voluntarily involved or not. All of this shit comes from the same place, now they don't want it to be called what it is so feminists say that SJW are not "real" fminists and so on. They want to distance themselves from this shit, which was breed from them.
Fuck them all.
And Salon is defending paedophiles now, so you know where this shit is going.
Christina looks pretty but shes 65 years old. My dick is confused.
You still have to eat and pay the bills
+HDaviator, some people are easily befuddled by the simplest things. Those with poor imagination can't think of any idea why some things exist. Exercise your own creative mind and stop being "stupid." Your choice. The solution could be one of many things. Your lack of intelligence only reflects poorly on you. Your comment that contains only implied *_ad hominem_* shows poor intelligence.
Finally someone who's NOT afraid to tell the truth about the current state of tyranny that has a strangle hold on society.
“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
-Henry David Thoreau (1817-62)
wow, she just summed up my stint in graduate school to the letter
Subservient is the safe way to a good salary...
I'd love to see her talk with MIlo.
and ben shapiro
While you might think, given some of her views, that she would get on with those two ass-hats, I actually doubt that she would. I have long been a fan of Camille Paglia. She is complex, and her views are nuanced and varied, and she doesn't adhere to any party line. Meanwhile, Ben Shapiro and his politics are yawningly predictable. And Milo Yiannopoulos DEFINITELY has issues tied up with his sexuality that taint (ha!) his ability to reason. He's one meth-fuelled gay orgy away from a mental collapse.
Milo is a mental dwarf compared to the average person.
Milo is an idiot, he's entertainment. nothing more.
Not at the same time please .... I don't think Milo and "little" Ben in the same room with Camille will be fruitful.... it will be entertaining though ^_^
Very Interesting!
Very interesting. I'm experiencing this right now.
Rebellion risks dismissal and an effective blacklisting in that career because few institutions want to make any kind of stand on your side. Keep it quiet, keep it profitable. In this era where business rules and unemployment can crush you, rebellion risks your life. "There is no nobility in being poor."
Yes, the great wisdom of the Wolf of Wall Street.
The ancient Romans tolerated homosexuality and their empire fell, therefore, Western civilization's tolerance of homosexuality is a sign of an impending collapse.
You are so much smarter than this Camille.
Speaking as an engineer in Silicon Valley, I enjoy engineering but I don't live for it. I love the arts, music, dance, history... Life without the arts and humanities would be so empty. All this talk about STEM is wonderful (I think we should also strengthen vocational training as well) but not at the expense of the humanities. The better society allows both to flourish.
It would help if she slowed down and talked more clearly.
Vociferous Tendencies totally. she needs to speak at 1/2 speed and not say mkay so much.
Doesn't fit your speaking criteria, huh... You people.
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She's been in the ivory towers for too long. I'm convinced that about 50% of college professors are mentally ill.
I understand what VT means. It's not that she's speaking fast, it's that she's stuttering so much and saying okay through her nose 5 times in one sentence. Her actual meaning is coming slower than most other speakers in my opinion.
Rasu C Thank you.