This Nokia 41MP Shooter Beats Today's Smartphones
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- Smartphone camera development has come a long way but do we really see that much improvement? I am exploring this old Nokia Lumia 1020 from 2013, and I thought the camera can still deliver results that can surpass some of the greatest and latest smartphone cameras today. I found one at a good price, nabbed it and did some shutter therapy, treating the smartphone like an actual camera!
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0:00 Intro
0:27 Why Nokia 1020?
1:52 Images Reel 1
2:17 What I Like
2:45 Catchy Design
3:50 41MP Sensor
5:12 Images Reel 2
5:36 What I Dislike
5:45 Slow Performance
6:05 Limited Dynamic Range
6:45 Problem With Modern Smartphones
8:29 Images Reel 3
8:54 Conclusion/END
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Lumias and Windows Phones in general were so much better than anything else out there. It's so sad they didn't get popular enough to stay around.
Thats really sad. The phones were awesome. But the appstore wasent...
Yeah kinda wish they were around, and worked out all the kinks
People don't understand me when I told them at the time and even now looking back, at how darn good those phones were.
Yeah, the app store didn't have the popular things, but there were workarounds if you really cared enough.
Finally a real photographer doing a test for the Lumia 1020, thanks!
I’m still using it as a point and shoot
i am using Nokia N8 as point and shoot camera ... 1020 was my dream back then
Awesome!
Thanks. There were a few notable photographers reviewing the 1020 during its time.
yess! any camera can look bad/good depending on the user, glad to see this guy do the 1020 justice! even after all these years the 1020 can compete in this field
The 1020 was good - nice to see it acknowledged. My problem with it was speed - the camera application was shockingly slow, at startup, general operation. None of these were problems with the 808 - the camera application on that was fantastic, quick to start up, focus was faster - you could start the 808 camera, take a photo and have the phone back in your pocket before the 1020 had even opened the camera application.
For me the 808 had a WAY better camera overall, and it is the one that I do truly miss. The presets that were quickly accessible were fantastic (I had one set for vibrant/5mp, another set for high contrast B&W, and the last for full resolution iirc). And one of the high contrast B&W shots is my all time favourite picture of my sons on the beach with the sun setting behind them.
Love the channel, and absolutely love your enthusiasm for photography!
Until now I still use it as a pocket camera, I like the natural results
Wooow I am Stunned at the pixel quality. Thank you for the video.
Me too, was quite impressed with what the camera can do
Loved this, great content!
I love this old smartphone review format
I had two lumia 1020s 10 years ago and it was the start of my photography journey. especially liked the optional grip with a extra battery
Love the videos and the bright cheerful attitude towards photography 😊
Thanks, photography should be fun!
Your CZcams videos are pure pleasure to watch
Nice. I still have that one. And the PureView 808. Phones with half-press, xenon flashes... good times!
Yeah those are the best times
The 808 was WAY better than the 1020 as a camera. I do miss my 808.
Thank you, very refreshing!
Thanks Jeffrey
An actual review and analysis on this phone in this era was desperately needed and best person to do it is a photographer,Well done,Xiaomi had this phone in mind when they did the Xiaomi 13 and 14 ultra flagship models,They actually admit such.They said they felt the need to revisit the phone
Old is Gold...nokia❤😊😊
Fabulous photo quality. Just wow.
Thanks!
Funny you did this now - last week I charged up and booted my lumia 950. Good stuff!
Go out and shoot some photos with it
@@robinwong Will do!
Oh man, I had to watch as soon as I got the notification. I had one of these when it first came out, with the camera grip case! Unfortunately, a battery issue after a year of ownership led to me leaving it for a Samsung. Still one of my favorite phones
Yeah, such a great camera even for today!
I still have my Windows Phone in the drawer. and it still works. I still miss.
This Nokia was one of the smartphones that wanted to push the camera in phones by having a bigger sensor, better lens, buttons and layout that function as a camera. Only Sony Xperia is still focused heavy on the ergonomics suitable to make photos by having a dedicated button for shutter.
The original Nokia is not making phones, but they license their name to HMD, who make Nokia branded phones using Android. Back then I wanted to buy this phone simply for the camera module.
I wish modern manufacturers would focus on hardware instead of pushing crazy aggressive image processing! There is only so much you can stretch with the software.
So true Robin. I sold my Pixel 8 pro because the overprocessing was just crazy.
Yeah the processing is a bit crazy these days
i have 14pro max if you zoom in photo processing still visible unlike my old 1020 if you zoom in it’s real photo i miss my lumia 1020
You gave the 1020 a fair summation. I still have this phone/cam , and was impressed by it when I was using it. I'll have to dig it out and take some pics with it purely as a point and shoot cam. It's too bad it wasn't android based.
I still have my Lumia 1020 along with the battery grip case Nokia released. The grip retained the physical shutter button and added a small battery as well as a lanyard attachment to provide better grip and a 'camera like' experience. Ahead of its time and a great piece of photographic history.
Indeed, it was ahead of its time.
Wow, this is a good idea. Might try it for the portability.
Thanks Entrigue, and if you have the phone, give it a go!
Superrrr life time phone.great phone 1020
Thank you :)
No worries!
Hi Robin, my very first Mobile phone was A Nokia touch button phone. It's 41MP was very impressive for it's time. And you had fun shooting it, and that's what photography should be, FUN. And it takes nice pictures. Thanks Robin 🙂
A lot of people got tangled up with the technical obsession that they forgot the purpose of photography in the first place, and they did not find joy in the process of shooting.
@@robinwong Photography is a joy, thanks Robin ☺️
Nice review Robin. When this phone came out, ATT tried to push it on me at uograde time. I had cameras and mainly wanted good phone features so didn't consider this back then. Cute niche device now tho.
Thanks, and yes, it is a piece of interesting history now in the smartphone world.
I do macro stuff with this cellphone and I love it. It's a great camera even today
yeah I am still impressed with what the camera can do today.
love the video
Thanks! Appreciate that
i have an aging Sony Ericsson K800i and a hands me down K850i that are both camera phones of the 2000s, I have to replace batteries in them but i remember the quality in them were pretty nice for the time. it's just reminded me.
i wish there were modern feature phones with iPhone equivalent sensors though.
Great work Robin!
My takeaway is: progress is not automatic with time. And that sucks.
Yeah if only they pushed the original Nokia's idea, I think we will have a winner smartphone camera now.
Wow!
Indeed!
Wow ! 😮
Indeed!
If Nokia were to turn up with a Windows phone with some modern features and WhatsApp support I would buy it yesterday!
My 8MP Nokia Lumia 820 is outperforming my 20 MP Sony of today. This is all down to the proper lenses Nokia used. Very well to see with the low distortion and flare of the lens in this video.
Loved my Lumia 1020. The manual settings that you don’t get with an iPhone. The relatively fast aperture for the time. It was great for video, too. It had a setting for concert recording that would prevent audio distortion. Great phone. 😎 Wish I didn’t take it to the beach and get it soaked. 😂
Ouch, definitely the older phones had no IPX rating or weather resistance.
Thx for this great Re(tro)view Robin! funny way of Presentation which made me smile and left me back a bit nostalgic...by the way, very good Pictures as always Robin! Last summer I lost my Xiaomi and took my old Nokia 930 out of it´s box after 6 years without any use, I charged it, and hey the battery was still good enough for 2 days! NOKIA had the best Phones ever in terms of quality when it still was a FINNISH company...They made history in Phone Tecnololgy ...It's a pity that Win Phone ultimately didn't have the success otherwise they still would be one of the big players today
Yeah I wish the original Nokia company is still around, and make robust, great phones today.
I hope (HMD) revive this lumia in modern technology can compete of any smart phone....today😊
I still have my Lumia 1020 as well as the 1520, which were both excellent phones. The only downside in my opinion is that the software support and app selection was a letdown, but the hardware even today is still excellent. I feel like this was a peak for Nokia phones, as the current models by HMD are not as good (I do love the Nokia 9 Pureview). The real shame though is that I think HMD will not be producing phones with the Nokia name anymore.
Yeah I was hoping they would continue the legacy with newer Android variant of the Pureview excellent camera lines. We don't see that happening.
Oh yes! I have the yellow one, and I decided to keep it when they stopped the support for it because of the exact same reasons. I love that camera, and I still take it out from time to time. You know there was even a grip for it?
Yeah but it is also impossible to find the grip now here in Malaysia
I feel amaze for first time was nokia N95 with Carlzeiss name in back 😅😅
Yeah, they had Carl Zeiss branding!
Original photo capture phone ...real year of year phone
I don't have this one and slightly off topic, but I have 3 Lumia's and they were beautiful smart phones, until they pulled out of production, better than any Android I've had.
yeah sadly Nokia and Windows did not develop the ecosystem enough to compete with their rivals.
It was perfect phone
I dare not comment on the phone part, it did fail after all.
My very old and still functioning Nokia N95 can take very decent images today. 🙂
Yeah, makes me wonder what are the new smartphone manufacturers doing with all their tech and innovation.
I'm shooting with an Olympus SH-2 now. It has massive noise reduction in all modes, you can see the waxiness at 100%. I'm guessing it's the only camera where Olympus tried this. But just like a smartphone, it always gets the shot! It's fast too, and has an enormous zoom range, nearly unusable! Why am I saying all this? If you want a modern smartphone-style camera, the SH-2 or 3 is your answer.
I think for compact cameras, we don't lack options - there are really good small portable cameras that can deliver great results from the past. And they are so cheap now in the used market.
I remember my first cell phone was a Nokia in 1998. It was a good phone.
Oh yes, those were the times
I agree hard on new age 'Ayy Eye' image overprocessing making every photograph look bland and lackluster devoid of any sovl. This made me shoot entirely in RAW via 3rd party app to skip all the extra algorithms.
That is true, I wish they tone down the aggressive processing. I'd rather not shoot RAW on phones, if I need to go through the trouble of post-processing I'd rather use my normal cameras.
Mine was updated to 8.1 and they removed the pro controls. I am stuck with a 5mp default pictures. Helpppppp
A Lumia Windows Phone was my first "Smartphone" i think it was a Lumia 530, nice Display and good Camera back in the Days. Very sadly the most Apps runs like Shit. This Phones with Android, I think it is a Burner.
Sort of wish original Nokia is still around and continue to make great phones.
I still have mine but I am unable to transfer my files to my computer and it doesn't connect anymore
Being that the earliest that OM systems would probably introduce an all new camera no earlier than 2025 or possibly late 2025 the new camera should have a resolution no smaller than 28 or 30 megapixels at the minimum when it comes out to be a real wow camera if they want to be seen as a relevant camera manufacturer next year, good job I’m bringing out an old cell phone with a high, mega pixel sensor and giving it a try, I feel that sensor technology has become stagnant unfortunately.
the 808 was larger sensor :)
And it has no image stabilization. If you have shot enough you will take the huge advabtage of IS over the negligible size difference.
absolutely nthe microsoft lumia had a lot of spec adapted by modern cameras like windows 10 desktop even cheapest models these days like lumia550 are great photo machines
Indeed, they did make such nice cameras for their phones.
Boleh saya tau, beli dekat mana ya tuan?
Sir i want to buy this phone where can i get it from
Hello Robin, I have one comment to make, i have multiple camera bodies from different manufacturers that cover full frame, APSC and micro 4/3. The majority of my cameras fall into the 24 mp range, the 4/3 cameras are 20mp. I have a Pentax K1 MKII that has a 36 mp sensor and a Fujifilm XT5 and XH2 with 40mp sensor, when Fujifilm released the 40mp sensor many photographers felt that this was pushing the APSC sensor to far and that low light and dynamic range would suffer, yet a smartphone has a much smaller sensor and has the same or more Mp and no one makes a negative comment about this, what's your thoughts about this.
I have one without the nokia pro camera
Can’t thank you enough for highlighting bad image processing on modern smartphones. They are so bad that apart from evidence photo I never take photos on smartphone.
Yeah I wish the smartphone makers would tone down the processing a few notches.
Sir how to buy this phone?
Well, I feel sorry for the engineers who went to all that trouble making a decent camera only to see it tied to Nokia's absurd, misguided Microsoft-centred corporate strategy that pretty much ran the company into the ground.
They did prove a point that it is possible to make great cameras inside a smartphone!
@@robinwong There was also the Panasonic CM-1 with a 1-inch sensor from 2014. I remember people being quite excited about that, too.
Just checked 43 rumours website, apparently There is OM-1X & Pen-F II on the horizon,Being a rumour site will have to take it with a grain of salt,
If two of these cameras really come out near the end of this year, I hope the introduce these two cameras with all new sensor with a minimum resolution of 24 megapixels, after all the original Pen-F camera was the first camera from Olympus to use the 20 megapixel sensor when Olympus Pen-F first came out with all new sensor. Why not do it again this time with two new cameras for two different users types, one for the wildlife and sports photographer & and one for the street photographer & every day generalist family photographer that wants a small portable camera.
Nokia from Finland. 🙂
Oh yes!
Two things:
- Can you shoot raw with the Lumia 1020? Do you know about the bit depth of the raw output? Most today sensors for smartphones only output 10bit raw and some high end ones output 12bit. That's because speed, to blend HDR and tone mapping as fast as possible.
- Today phones are better in too many ways. If you dislike the "smartphone look" just shoot raw with a third party app, an Android phone, API Camera2 enabled, so the app will deliver you the "clean" raw sensor output. I use some cheapo or free apps that are great (ProShot, ProCamX, MotionCam, Firstlight, GCam, etc).
if I were to shoot RAW and spend so much effort to post-process my images, I'd rather be using my actual cameras. Smartphone camera has its place - definitely for snapshots and convenience.
Todays smartphone sucks. Quadbayer sensor can't resolve full resolution neither it provide consistent results. Colours are inaccurate and contrast is almost non existent makes images very flat looking.
@@yash_kambli I disagree. You are talking about the end result and the most part of it is the processing algorithms. You can get very different results with other camera app that process the raw information in a different way. The sensors are now far better than the one in the Lumia. The lenses not so much, but the high end phones have very good ones.
Sorry. But shooting Raw on smartphone is too much pain. Most phones Raw files aren’t free from fake processing, they do have fake processing baked in and you can’t do much about that. And believe me lumia 1020 takes much more detailed images in most scenes compared to my iphone 13 and S23 ultra. Fact is fact, you have to accept it that modern smartphones cameras are less of a camera more of a graphics generative app. First time I have noticed that on my galaxy s7 which captured human hair like painted metal wire. Crazy
@@avinashrai11141 all raw files, from cameras and phones, have processing in it. Your opinion about raw quality in smartphones don't seem to agree with the evidence. Just try other processing algorithms, being sure about using the API Camera2. The MotionCam one is very good, you can cook the raw in your way and like (saturation, sharpness, level of HDR, tint, contrast, warmth, etc). Other apps can do it too. And you can shoot rawDNG video too, as a great bonus.
My first smartphone! My Fuji Finepix bridge camera was annoying me, so I thought I might kill two birds with one stone. Ironically this phone then persuaded me that for shooting animals - even livestock chilling in a field - I needed a 'proper' camera with some kind of telephoto lens. 😄
It wasn't bad, though. Among other things I kind of miss the Windows tiles UI.
(By the way, they came in colours other than acid yellow 😆)
I chose the yellow, because I wanted the attention! Kidding, we did not have any choice here in the used market
Sadly, AT&T in the US pushed an upgrade that disabled the camera. The camera appeared to work but no photo was recorded. No apology - no fix offered.
Oh dear why would they do that?
why is the 1020 so cheap on ebay but the 808 goes for 300-600 bucks ???
People is absolutely insane, that's why.
I love your smile. you look like a more fit budha
The tagline: Nothing else come close!
Oh yeah the pic has two version: high & lo resolution.
oh so that was the tagline? Cool
Nokia’s phones are currently made by HMD out of Europe.
1020 lumia was last made in Finland phone model. I have that. And i miss that phone. Picture quality was awesome!
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@@robinwong hi Robin, Interesting video! Thanks
My last Nokia phone was lumia 920. WORST camera of all kinds! Can’t even focus in broad daylight. Glad Nokia phone is DEAD
Sounds like you have a defective unit my 920 and 1020 were top of the line.
1020 was made in Finland. 920 somewhere other place.
well, this video was talking about 1020.