How Much Did Our Outdoor Wood Burner Cost? Total Cost for ALL Parts & Labor [Central Boiler]
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- How Much Did Our Outdoor Wood Burner Cost? We found the price list invoice for Our Outdoor Wood Burner with the Total Cost AND Cost for ALL Parts & Labor [Central Boiler Cl6048]. We share all those costs with you!
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The total is $18,200, in case you want to skip to the total.
Lots of variables go into that number though..most people don't have a system as large as ours heating 2 large homes plus a workshop Plus all our water. Thx
Hahaha thanks! Thats a lot of change!
Thanks…don’t know why it takes 15+ mins to get to the only point that matters
Thank you
For all those asking the "break even" question, consider this. You will NEVER break even or reach a point where your replacement oil or gas furnace will pay for itself. A newer oil or gas furnace may be more efficient than an older one but you will ALWAYS be a slave to the oil, gas or propane company. Most people who install these outdoor furnaces have access to free wood so at some point, they WILL break even and past that point, enjoy relatively free heat in exchange for the work of mining the wood. Given current gas, oil, propane prices, wood is the cheapest option.
Just for comparison, our coal boiler with 5 radiators in several different buildings cost $3k fully installed. We live in the mountains of Mongolia. We have grid electricity and tried heating with electricity last year but even at 7c per kWh our bills were crazy expensive. We paid $2600 for electricity in one year. Our heating season is 8 months and winter lows reach -40C/F on the coldest nights. The coldest month last year cost us $460 just to heat barely adequately due to voltage drop.
So we looked into alternatives for this coming winter 2023/2024. We have 2 large yurts (7.2m diameter each), a bathhouse, a heated shipping container (workshop) and a well pump shed. All need to be heated at least above freezing but the living areas needed to be comfortable (let's say 20C at night).
Semi-coke briquettes are subsidised in Mongolia so we looked into a furnace / boiler that would burn briquettes and keep a fire going 12-16 hours. For the complete professional installation, parts and labour it was $3k and semi-coke costs $1.10 per 25kg bag. Or $44 per metric ton. We hope to break even in year 2 and also have better heating quality because the electricity (underfloor) struggled to keep up on the coldest nights and we had a lot of voltage drop so weren't even getting a full 220/240V which is what we pay for but often only get 170/180V.
We're not doing hot water with the boiler because the heating system requires anti-freeze. We have a very efficient 100L electric water heater which doesn't use much power instead.
Love the Pics of your Dog!!!
Perfect, my husband will love this. Thank you!
Thanks for commenting!
Excellent & much appreciated video - After watching I think I'd like my outdoor boiler to be located inside my garage with access to wood such that I never have to walk on snow.
Much thanx, very interested
I appreciate your video. We are actually working on purchasing this exact furnace. We were going to go with one of the new gasifications but my installer said these furnaces will last 20 plus years easily and very little can actually fail in an expensive way. When it costs that much it is much I want it to last vs be super efficient.
Nice breakdown of the cost. Debating on getting one ourselves 🤔
In 2010, I installed a 5036 (rated 80-85% efficient) in a 3100sqft timber frame with pex in the basement and main floor (8 100' loops)doing all the work ourselves for $7500. The unit was $5800 + tax and accessories (rake, shovel and brush). Lucky to have a very old backhoe for burying 120'x2, of inlet and return. We're not heating any other buildings nor hot water. Though it's not for an old man (am one) unless they can afford good wood delivered and stacked (3 cords + per winter) we have bitter cold, it can help with keeping in shape. We'll likely be breaking even by next year. So, the investment can be worth it but realize it's not low maintenance, can't be turned off and on like a furnace, requires considerable physical effort and sometimes expense to feed but the feel of radiant heat is incredible, and it can keep an old guy active beyond his prime. Though this old guy sometimes whines about the wood getting, cutting, splitting and Ashing I'd do it all over again but have gotten a little wiser about equipment and installation. I find temperature control/return valves unnecessary and a waste of money. If I fire the boiler and let it run the water gets up to temp in 45 minutes or less, meaning little is saved by returning the water over 120' to possibly heated another 10 degrees. The sooner we have warm water the better. Our home in 10% weather will heat up to 72% in 2-3 hours. So, some things are not really required but they love to sell them anyway. Do lots of research before buying and shop around for different brands and efficiencies., it'll be worth it. We're heating 190 gal of water when there's only 15-20 gal in tubing at any given time, not very efficient?
P.S. Thanks for the great video. I have been wondering just what the total cost was to have one installed and running. Now I have a much better idea. Thanks again for sharing.
I live just South of you. I was also trying to get ahead on my wood supply, but with the bitterly cold temps this week, I fired up the boiler again.
I'm so close to firing it up!
You are correct... $17 grand+ is a LOT of money... BUT - you're heating 3(?) places separately so if you went with 3 indoor wood stoves you would probably pay at least that much if not more. I tried to buy one of the high efficiency, EPA-rated, long-burning, soapstone wood stoves last winter and found out that IF they had one in stock - 8 to 12 month wait - it would be over $4000 - just for the stove. The installation with 3000 degree stove pipe, connections to the stove, roof items like flashing and extra chimney was quoted at an extra $3000. They are nice but again you have to haul loads of wood into the house, home owner's insurance goes up and you'd need at least two of them (think of all the wood hauled in to maintain 2 woodstoves) to even remotely balance temperatures from one end of the house to the other. I really liked how in your "pros" column you mentioned the bone-warming feeling of an indoor wood burning stove. That is why I go to all the work of cutting, hauling, splitting, stacking, covering, hauling again (into the house) and loading the stove every 2-6 hours during the day and night. There's nothing like being in a room with a wood stove burning. Granted some of the modern EPA-rated stoves can go much, much longer like 12-18 hours but they're expensive..
Ground source heat pump using the slinky system. Up here in South Dakota on the utilities off peak rate heat the house for 40.00 dollars a month and cool in the summer for 11.00 they are 350 to 400 percent efficient that boiler 50 percent maybe and a lot of work.
Remember, these folks installed their wood bruning stove around 4 or 5 years ago...there has been 5 price increases since then.Classic edge 560 now costs $13,350 - that is just for the furnace
For 2021, there is a 26% biomass tax credit, including installation with no cap. This will significantly cut the cost of a wood burner.
Wow , great to know, thanks!
Not on the 60 48
It is only good on high efficiency biomass systems. But great point
We have a 6,300 sq. ft., heated and cooled 3-story second home in Montana with water tube radiant heat in basement and second floor with electric on third floor. We have an outside wood boiler system. We kept the wood boiler but in November 2021 we converted to a propane hi-efficiency boiler system at a cost of $13,500. We installed the propane boiler because we have decided to rent it next year, 30 day minimums, so it's unlikely throwing wood in the outside boiler twice a day to stay warm will appeal to most renters. When we move there and live year round, I'll by pass the propane and use the wood boiler as I'll be there to cut wood (outdoor furnace used big logs, no splitting). I added a wye strainer, magnet, and system protective additive on boiler for $1,535. Over time iron deposits will scour boiler causing premature failure and leaks.
I just priced a 350 gasification unit and it was around $17,000 without installation. Lucky that I can do the installation myself. I doubt that I can get it for this winter but looking for the next. I also have fuel oil with no options to go with anything else, so with a $2000 to $3000 annual fuel oil bill, I think it'll pay for itself within 10 years. Also not having to worry about coming up with $800 for a minimum order is priceless and yes I have plenty of free wood.
Perfect timing, planning on going this route to heat the shop, greenhouse and home.
Nice, they are great for heating multiple buildings like that. We heat 4 and have room for another zone to expand
Brandon, I’d love to hear more about how you’re heating this for your greenhouse. What type of greenhouse do you have? Sounds awesome
I do like wood boiler my grandparents had one with base board Heat but I went with a wood stove in my 2,200sqft cabin sole wood Heat and then I have a 1,500sqft. Shop wood stove in there and a gust cabin on my property (hunting cabin) with a wood stove. We have no other ways to heat our home. We burn around 6 cords oak every year. Cold temperatures snow. No regrets but do miss the wood Heat for water. We have propane for water I fill our tank once a year.
Expensive, but worth it for your needs.
Wood needs to be free for it to even be close to economically feasible. I think given your rental, it is a good idea since they could be cranking up the heat which would add a major cost to the rental.
Very true and the girls keep it cranked high too, I wouldn't do it without the wood access nearby, thx!
I think your system is awesome. What is the monthly kilowatts used of all the pumps and equipment related to the furnance?
We have the same unit when a 3000 ft² home 800 ft² side building and a 100 by 75 barn and my boiler heats it just fine yes it's a lot of work but I wouldn't bring ash inside my house for my children to breathe that's why I put a boiler and and the ability chance of my house burning down from an inside boiler cost would have cost me more money for insurance now said boiler keeps the mess outside and the heat inside I think you're probly happy with what you are and don't feel badd mine came to $22000 Could be worse could be better but it's much better to have the fire outside just my opinion James T North Carolina you have a wonderful day
I just priced the undergoung material that goes from wood burning furnace to inside the house...$17.50 per ft
Is there a video on how the finances work with homesteading? Thanks
Propane is $1.02 liter my tank holds 1500 liters. I use about 500 liters a month just for heating the home. I,m thinking about this
Here In Minnesota,the insurance doesn’t like indoor burners, outside are ok, how deep did you have to bury the pex and did you use water for everything or is some anti freeze?
Sucks I have to wait until tomorrow to watch this!!
Labor intensive just supplying the wood...heat exchanger water jacket becomes problematic..
Good luck!!
Wife and I are looking at getting a Woodmaster 4400. We are having a ranch style home built 2040sq ft with it being an all electric house I feel as though we need something like this to help offset the electric bill. Yes we will be having a whole house generator installed as well. I believe, and hope I'm right, this should save us money in the long run.
For what it is worth... I have had 3 since 1996. The first, a hot air located about 12' - 15' from my home. I upgraded to a boiler around 2000, A central boiler classic. In 2012 I had to replace it because the outside water jacket rotted under the factory spray foam insulation. (it sweats in the summer when not in use, and CB at least back then didn't coat the bare steel before applying the spray foam) Warranty doesn't cover this and it was basically swiss cheese - went to the scrap pile. I replaced it with a gasifier. It burns half the wood but is twice the work. The wood has to be as dry as the furniture in your house to make it work efficiently. So there's no more pushing the split wood up into a pile with a tractor and covering it up for a year or 2. The center of the pile will never get dry enough for a gasser. You will be hand stacking. Unless you own, and are heating a business, you will have to purchase a gasifier, it is federal law and a dealer won't sell you one. In NYS where I am the dealer has to register every unit sold with DEC. I do own a business, but I chose to go with the gasifier. Not happy with the extra work it requires. NOW FOR THE RECORD, I am a excavating contractor. I actually get paid to remove the wood I eventually burn form my customers properties. Truthfully, if I had to do it all over again I wouldn't. I would purchase enough solar and battery to heat with. Even if I couldn't afford to actually purchase enough for my other electrical needs. With what I have invested I could have easily invested in enough solar to provide heat. That is without even considering the labor every year processing the free wood I get paid to truck from my land clearing customers. Your time should be worth something. Even if it is only min. wage the numbers don't add up. If you are a young couple, chances are in your lifetime you will be paying a carbon tax at the very least if you heat with wood. If you are older like me, you have to start wondering how much longer do you want to mess with the wood? I know I ask myself that question every day. It is 7:13 AM and -4 right now and I am headed outside as soon as I hit the reply button. Guess where I'm going - yes to fill the boiler.
@@howlandexcavating Ohhhh wow I'm so glad I found your video. you have given me so much to consider. No I'm no a spring chicken any more. I'm 54 and wonder how long I could keep cutting the wood. We do own 69 acers of hardwood so having the wood isn't the issue. Thank you for your feed back.
also coal is super cheap in usa, and it burns slow it works great sir
Only in the north east.
I have to 6048 classic central boilers, they will not under any circumstances honor a warranty.
Return it now
It was worth it
our unit not only heats your home and plumbing but also generates all your electricity and you get a check at the end of the month.
Please provide more details on your unit. Brand? Model?
Can you give me the technical scheme of the complete installation, I can easily rebuild any installation once I get a plan how to do it. I have several pumps and like a whole collection of used copper parts for the plumbing and can do all the handwork myself.
Would really appreciate having a scheme to follow on how to put the parts together
I don't have a technical scheme but I'm sure you could find some plans online searching for diy wood boiler. Thx
Thx anyway 💜
We had the same unit installed in 2005 and the unit itself was a little over$6,000 and install with all the fittings and pipe was less than $2,000. I just used crush stone for the foundation which was very little cost. I can see the extra 3k or so 10 years later but you might want to consider finding a different plumber. Installing this should take 1 person around a day to do. The thermostatic control valves you used are a bad idea because if your fire goes out for an extended time when it is cold out you want the water circulating to your furnace to keep the water in the boiler from freezing.
You can't compare these units to an inside wood stove because you will not find a woodstove that can burn the type and size of wood these are capable of using.
Unfortunately a lot of states do not allow these units anymore. Have to use the gassification units which are way more expensive.
Agreed and you can't find an indoor woodstove which can heat 2+ full homes a workshop and all the water!
@@Homesteadhow thank you both for the info as I was going to invest in one of these but being I only need to heat a small home and don't want to depend on electricity to keep the pumps and fans on the boiler running I think I will go with a big indoor woodstove. Having to split the wood a little more is no big deal. Plus I can stock the basement with wood on the better days not needing to go into the crappy weather to load the boiler twice or more a day. Will design a shoot so I won't need to hoof wood down the stairs.
Seems to me that these boilers would in the long run use more wood than an indoor to get the same amount of heat in a year as an indoor woodstove loses no heat from the housing all the heat stays in the home where as an outdoor boiler will waste alot of heat as your heating the outdoors. Installation in the boilers can only do so much. Seems alot of wasted heat and in my case a waste of money to invest in one of these boilers.
I do want to heat my greenhouse to but figure I can just run some insulated ducting underground putting a duct fan on it possibly even a solar power fan that will turn on and suck heat from the basement near the furnace out into the greenhouse to grow food all year round. With a hand crank shallow well for water I could live without electricity all winter if need be. Minus needing to shower. Will just have to shower in the fall then wait till spring. 😆 kidding.
Was almost thinking a big water tank over the indoor woodstove inside just to save even more on electricity having it so close to the water heater it wouldn't involve much plumbing. Plan is since I already have furnace ducting to all the rooms in the house I bought I could just put duct fans for that too to just push the heat from the basement to all the rooms instead of letting the stove slowly heat the home from one area out it would heat everything a bit more equally making us of the already existing ducting.
A quality piece of hardware that is built to operate safely for years isn't cheap. How much is your safety worth.
Buy a shed or build a building and install an actual indoor wood boiler instead of buying these outdoor boilers the outdoor boiler are wood hogs and are not at all efficent most of them hold over a hundred gallons of water no need for that much water and a lot of wasted heat. We had a Central Boiler heating a 2300 sq ft house and a 7000 sq ft shop and a 4000 sq ft animal barn and our domestic hot water and in the 6 years we owned it wasn't a year we didn't burn less then 10 cords a year some real cold years below 0 we have burned over 15 cords last year we bought a 12x24 shed insulated it and installed 2 indoor Tarm wood boilers this year from end of September to March so far we have burned 2 cords of wood heating the same spaces. The cost of the shed and the 2 boilers was less than many outdoor boilers and all our wood is inside not out putting wood on the fire in the snow and rain and also enough room to put woodsplitter inside door and bring a bucket or 2 of wood and dump it and split it inside without being out in the cold freezing we'll never go back to an outdoor boiler.
Taco is for eating TACO is for heating
That’s 18 years of propane by the time you spend that the thing rusted away
How was the music artist for your video
Looking at this today is not a lot of money you can add at least 50% more to the cost.. recent unit purchased was 15k by itself for us..unfortunately
Added cost for wood unless you have access to alot of free wood
Do you guys have a video of a walk thru of your home
No, but I think we did a tour of our homestead before, thx
@@Homesteadhow ok i was just thinking i would love to see it ill try finding it thanks 😊
I built my own for 2700 for everything
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I think it could be worth it. I'm on propane heat. My cost this year will be $2040. That's for my house only. No out buildings. No garage heat. And I try to keep my heat setting at 66 to 68 degrees.
Plus propane is likely going up up up
@@Homesteadhow absolutely
The longer the unit is in service the more cost is offset
I said that 12 years ago n took the plunge. It paid for itself it 3 years plus ur heat is now at 75 n only have to fill the p tank every few years. A lot more cost now but it will b free at some point.
I bet it’s a lot more now
I'd hate to think how much all that would cost today with of dollars devaluations. Probably at least double what you paid.
I would like to know how much you have saved on your heating bills over the past 5 years? Has the Central Boiler paid for itself yet?
No. It's hard to say because we are heating 2 homes, our water and workshop. Normally I wouldnt heat the workshop on propane. I'd have to also calculate 5 years of free hot water and with 5 females that adds up. We also keep it much warmer on wood vs propane and propane has been cheap the last few years. All said probably halfway there
YES! This would be a good way to come up with the answer to the question being asked "when does the payback start and was it worth it financially?"
IS THAT TOM BRADY AT THE BEGINNING
Solar and electric heaters and water heaters seem simpler
Electric heat requires an insane amount of power and a huge solar array
Plumber : $ 120 an hour ??? Hahahahaha whos the fool here ??
Good grief . Lets go Bran don.
$6,398.
The breakdown is nice but did it pay for itself
Maybe after this season! I'll have to crunch those numbers
2700 sq ft home. Propane costs me $1200 a year. No labor. You can have your wood boiler. Watched one burn down along with the guys wood shed this winter.
Makes sense, I'm not heating one home, I'm heating 2 homes a workshop and all of our hot water and have room to heat our greenhouse too. If it were one home I'd use propane/indoor woodstove instead. Thx
Wait it’s not normal to take your goats for a walk at night??? Don’t tell my goat girls that
You paid a LOT out for labor...surprised you didn’t do it yourself?
You are right, I wish I said it in the video but I would have done most myself in retrospect. 5 years ago we were moving in here and the house was trashed and so we were making it livable and fixxing as million things and moving in...a bit overwhelmed. .plus I haadnt done much plumbing so I paid to have it done. I've since updated my skills and if I did it today I would do it ALL myself, just have the unit set in place. That would have saved me a lot. Thx
@@Homesteadhow you had to go with priorities sounds like you picked the right battle
6,398$
Thanks avoid all the nuance I explained and list the base price in the comment which almost no one would pay because they need the pipes, heat exchangers, plumbing work and more.. which is why I didnt just list the price of the base unit and I spent my time making this entire video to explain that.
@@Homesteadhow It is a good video. Someone else mentioned the shed/indoor stove/boiler setup. I would look into that. If I had more firewood to work with that is the way I would go.
Looks like a 20 year ROI for me. No thanks.
9000dolars for not HG? - what a stupid idea.................
Hg?
@@Homesteadhow Holtz gas
You got screwed you paid way too much it's just unbelievable with how they fool you these furnaces burn a lot of wood and you're going to go out there twice a day to throw two wheelbarrows if not more into that furnace and if you don't have free access to Wood you're going to be better to buy gas I sold furnaces for number of years and I I just hated it still another one because people's biggest complaint was they burn too much wood you know if you don't have access to Wood that's going to be a good deal forget it cuz it's not a good deal
Ha, thanks for telling me i got screwed and basically calling me an idiot! 5 years later I'm still happy with this investment. This beast uses a lot of wood BUT it heats 2 large Homes (2 separate furnaces) all my water my workshop, garage and room to heat a hot tub. AND I have access to wood. Sure if you don't have easyily accessible wood this may not be a great fit. I havev20 acres of it. Most people that get these have access to lots of firewood.
NO To much outlay of energy and cash to run these contraptions. Not worth it.
Nine and a half mi Tues to get to the point???? Are you trying to recoup the cost with these bull×+÷t videos?
Skip it man, I'm not forcing you to watch this. Perhsps you could produce a better video? Do it!
Lol 1$ something a foot for the underground tubing is more like 20$/ft here in canada today lol...