Perhaps this Ferrari team wasn't as well organized or continuously successful as Mercedes is now, overall. But Ferrari were operating at a higher level than any team I've ever seen, at their peak. If they didn't beat you with the fastest car, they would beat you through their superior strategies. That's why races like Spa 2004 were so enjoyable. Awesome to see Kimi Raikkonen stand up to this unstoppable team.
@@Luchon20082010 Is that some sneaky way of being racist ? Anyway they had the 2 biggest brains on the grid with Ross Brawn and Jean Todt, they just need to get new strategists and they are good to go...
@@elonmusk9697 How can you say that what RB did was anywhere near. RB didn't need to do shit, just go for the correct strategy (2 Mediums, 1 Soft in any order). Ferrari just lost the race big time. Granted Max did have some other cars to overtake but it's not that difficult when you are racing F1 cars agains F1.5
16:49 "Ferrari doesn't make mistakes in pit stops. Michael doesn't make too many mistakes. The Ferrari team in general is pretty much like a clockwork operation" Ferrari in 2022: What's that?
Something something italian something something passion something something unprecented speed. *barely made any improvements since last year* "Next year." 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Things that were better then: 1. The sound 2. Car agility... WOW 3. TV direction, just incredible. Captures all the action, great camera angles, no crowd shots, no jump cuts every 2 seconds to random shots of spare wheels and shit. Honourable mention for the open cockpit but the Halo is a life saver so I wouldn't go back on this. Personally I don't like refuelling, it makes the race difficult to follow but wow does it ever make the cars nimble! Modern TV graphics are better but I do miss seeing the rev counter going to 18k+ revs, so nostalgic
@@thomasvanasperen9097 there are some comparisons on you tube showing todays car slightly faster. However 2000-2006 cars looks more agressive and faster thru curves.
@@herceg6772 In qualifying laps and at the end of the gp on low fuel the 2020 cars were faster, but over a full race stint the 2004 cars were faster because they carried far less weight, and were a lot more nimble. The modern cars have a lot more torque through having turbocharged engines and electric motors to supplement them, as well as having a higher peak power, and the modern cars have a lot more downforce. What this equates to is cars that are pretty equal overall, but deliver their pace in totally different areas. The 2020 Mercedes W11 is slightly over 5.7m long, with the Ferrari F2004 being a little over 4.5m long. The W11 is 141kg heavier than the F2004. The weight difference blows out even more in the 2022 cars, with the 2022 cars being 798kg, compared to 605kg in the 2004 cars. That's a 32% increase in weight, and a 26% increase in length, which is why modern cars look so lazy and easier to drive at the limit than the old cars. That explains why the old cars were just so much more dynamic on track. Bringing those car specs back, but with slicks and no driver aids, would be the ultimate F1 for me, and would make the modern cars look like a joke. (also just putting slicks on a 2004 car would make it significantly quicker than the 2022 or even the 2020 cars).
Schumacher and Ferrari are the true definition of the dream team. The things they did out on track were so clever. They were so fast they could sacrifice qualifying on Pole so they could play with clever strategies during the race and Win on Sunday. They could rely on each other. Ferrari came up with a race winner strategy during the race live and Michael Schumacher will be told what he needs to do next to win and then give it everything you've got, consistent qualifying laps but at the right moment. It was so incredible to watch them outsmart everyone.
@@joakimjeppsson1443 I keep saying this. It was never "Ferrari" that made them so dominant in that era. Those specific people would have made any team a powerhouse.
@@RNCHFND Leclerc only crashed 2 times, Leclerc is just pushing harder than normal, because he doesn't know when he will get another car this fast again.
Leclerc dragged that Ferrari and shockingly defeated Red Bull in Austria, and later P2 in WDC ahead of Perez. Who does that? Only the inevitable drivers. The guy who drags the Ferrari to a top 5 in the British gp despite having worn hard tyres. Verstappen would finish P11 if he drove the 2022 Ferrari, bcs he only knows how to drive a rocketship.
When Ferrari has won, it has almost always been IN SPITE of the team and its shitty strategies. Almost all Ferrari victories can be pinned on the drivers themselves and a small handful of strong-willed and self-aware people on the team. Ferrari as a whole is pompous, arrogant, and indecisive. It always has been. Even when the cars were good they only got that way because people like Schumi sacrificed ungodly amount of their time testing and pushing the team forward with their large personalities. Ferrari itself has rarely if ever been the actual catalyst of their own success. Maybe their mystique and popularity is the red color. Or maybe people just want to break a wild horse that has no discipline or intelligence.
Legend. Damn they’re throwing that cars hard. And DAT v10 SOUND. And proportions. Tire war. Refuels. No DRS. Commanding performance of Red Baron. I miss it. I miss it so much. I mean ‘21 and ‘22 should not leave me complaining, but still that is THE ERA for me.
@@Alucard-gt1zf ,yh or does. When someone conserves there tyres better and then can have different strategy is nice to see like Hamilton putting on softs at Hungary last weekend
One of the few things I have noticed watching this period is some quali sessions Schumi and Ferrari would more or less try to minimize the damage by qualifying just in the top 4 while using their superior race pace and great strategy to win. This and silverstone were perfect examples of that.
Because of fuel loads during the refueling era, pole was less important. Ferrari could carry much more fuel than rivals to run a more "ideal" strategy. When they ran low fuel, especially in 2002 and 2004, the car was unbelievably quick.
@@willski1221 it was reported that the Bridgestones ferrari used were completely different than the ones other teams were using....Eddie Jordan once revealed that in an interview
The beauty of that Ferrari and its V10 sound, the way Michael tackles every turn with seamless precision into each straight and his ability to bang near quali laps for the entire duration of a GP without overworking the tires, Michael and Ross' way of changing strategy on the fly with perfect communication, and the work of the Ferrari team in the pits. Everything in this race was a masterclass for their contemporaries and the generations to follow.
God i miss Schumi, you were the reason why i loved F1, its not the same with out you anymore, god bless you Michael and thx for all the years you raced and gave us the best racing in F1, i hope you get well soon, and i hope your son Mick gets a great career in F1.
Schumacher was a strategist's dream. Who else on that grid could be trusted to push all race to pull off a 4 stopper? 70 quali laps in a row without error, basically. (Maybe you could trust Raikonnen or Alonso the following season, but they probably hadn't earned that trust just yet in 2004).
This was one of the most amazing driving and team performances in Formula One history. Michael drove that Ferrari like it was made into his body. And the Ferrari team was absolutely perfect. I was laughing when Michael crossed the finish line in first place. This was one of Michaels best days ever. I will never forget his smile after the race.
Without even hearing the commentary, you could see from the onboard that Nando was steering the car. he has a pretty unique style of handling the wheel. And as you can see in the final turn: track limits weren't a thing back then...
Fernando could handle the Renault that way because of the different tyres and tyre attack angle in corners. He basically oversteered into the corner to get straight faster than other drivers and to be able to accelerate out of the corner faster. Couldn't do that in the Ferrari later however, since there tyres were different.
@@klamin_original actually he intentionally induced understeer. Michael and Kimi like oversteer-y cars. Alonso did this because of two reasons: the renault had a very solid rear end, and the michelin tires were bricks, meaning they were incredibly strong and were very cold. He sacrificed time going into the corner by understeering, but this heated the tires up more and gave him incredible traction and drive out of the corner. That is why he doesnt do it on every corner, and understeered varying amounts per corner.
This is what I love about Ferrari and F1 in general during that era. The cars, especially the Ferrari, and the tires were made to be pushed all the time and to the limit. Ferrari designed the F2004 to do low fuel max pace runs and it worked like a treat because the car was a rocketship and Schumi got the most out of it.
schumi raced alone and ferrari worked only for him. and not because he was the best, but he had the best sponsors. the day the Schumi retired the other Ferrari driver won easily
@@leart78 I'm only replying for the benefit of others, you clearly have an axe to grind against M. Schumacher. First of all, the driver who replaced him at Ferrari did not easily win. He had two points over 2nd and 3rd places, that hardly qualifies as "easily". Kimi was no slouch either, one of the best drivers of that generation. Second point, we've seen drivers with "best" sponsors who amounted to nothing or barely anything. Third point, before Michael Schumacher went to Ferrari, they were not doing well, at all. He spent a few years with them, working and building together. Then they ripped the benefits for the years to follow. If anything, we can say that Kimi inherited the benefits of years of prior work. Forth point, you can say whatever you want against Schumacher. He won several championships with and for Ferrari. After he left, they won a single driver's word title, back in 2007. Surely they haven't done that on purpose. Keep grinding that axe, you'll need it to cut through your foolishness.
@@Sacciuiguai the lacking of overtake was terrible, the most "exciting" moments where the pit stops, the show was basicly watch schumacher win almost races, no overtaking just positions changes on pit stops.
Thats 80% true. The other 20% was that the pitlane at Magne Coure was really short which made the timeloss in the pitt minimal. And it was Michael Schumacher who drove.
Montoya wasn't that slow. And he didn't pit 4 times. The F2004 was unbelievable fast AF and got the combo fast car+world champion skilled driver. That's why they can afford strategies like that and get in the pocket.
It's so interesting seeing Alonso's driving style of that time. He purposely induces massive understeer by turning the wheels very aggessively to heat the front tyres up. When the understeer ends, he has more grip because the tyres are warmer and gets a better exit. This is very hard to control and only works because the Renault has a balance that allows it. In today's cars with today's tyres, this would simply be horrible, but back then, it worked.
@@mikepod637 Both your statements are true though lol because it wasn't just the driver that made that team. It was the ruthlessly competent leadership.
To me these were the most beautiful era of F1 cars... imagine if they had run on slick tires, the track records would probably still be standing today by a long shot
Well he lost to Trulli in 2004, and failed to win a race in a very fast Renault that year, so it wasn't that brilliant. In my view Kimi had the best driving style, followed by Michael, Mika in the V10 era. Alonso had an ugly but effective driving style though.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Most Alonso fans don't care about Raikkonen, but you Kimi fans always going furious when you see good comments about Alonso. I think you guys have a serious inferiority complex.
Unbelievable observation. It could be delayed though as some images were back then - he seems to move his left thumb after the pitlane speedlimit line. If not, that should have been penalized. Potentially another mistake in a poor season by Alonso, frankly.
2004 cars might've actually been faster than current F1 cars - they were so much lighter which made them much more nimble, and the smaller cars make it seem like they're travelling faster too
I remember watching this race, and seeing those names on the leaderboard brings back some awesome memories. Talk about glory days of a motorsport... when almost 20 years on and I could still name every driver on that grid.
I was so upset back then on those grooved tyres, I always wondered what they could do with full slicks! Also, can't believe Alonso is still on the grid!
And they are so much lighter so they look faster and more nimble. The new cars are heavier and they are also filled with fuel, these are lighter and don’t have nearly as much fuel
Man I miss James Allen. So much more alert and knowledgeable than David Croft. Allen only got a bit of a bad wrap comparatively because he had to follow Murray. Which no one ever could really live up to
This was real F1. Great commentary and proper sound from the cars and proper power that F1 is really all about. Mad to think this was almost 20 years ago.
You don't realise how much F1 has been downgraded until you watch back. Raw pace, energy and strategy going on. People say it was boring because there was no overtaking, those people just didn't have the patience and attention span to appreciate strategy or really well executed overtakes. Now we have DRS and literal overtake buttons, the racing is certainly not more exciting.
Well said. The racing today is a little false as most of the overtakes are done with drs. No setting up just waiting for the drs line. This is why the cars are closer together. I loved the 80s 90s 2000s with refeuling and tyre strategies and drivers going flat out.
@@purplestarfish6356 it's not nostalgia. The strategy options different tyre brands/ compounds gave different strategy options. The cars sounded absolutely amazing. While I can appreciate the technical brilliance of the current cars, there is no excitement about them. The noise it what used to seperate f1 from other motorsports. Now they do the same tyre stops and drive to conserve fuel and tyres and wait for the drs to overtake rather than setting up a genuine overtake.
The vibe is distinctly different from nowadays. The cars seem to be lonelier, battles are rarer, what matters more is the pace in order to have a good pit stop. In a a way that makes it feel more like qualifying but every lap? And of course the way these cars looks agile and powerful is so appealing visually. One thing I notice though is that there’s a lot lot less focus on the midfield than today!
@@crazycupckake4676 Maybe but slicks are miles faster than grooved tires. Ralf Schumacher was driving the 2003 Willams BMW on slicks in Austria with a turned down engine and not being able to rev as high as he could and he put up faster times than all of the 2022 cars bar RB and Ferrari ( he also said that he oviously couldn‘t fully push at his age anymore) . Now imagine the F2004 with slicks, a setup tuned to that and low fuel. They would absolutely smash the 2020 cars especially on power heavy tracks.
Ah yes, back when Ferrari had an actual masterplan with : The leadership of Jean Todt The genius of Ross Brawn The fastest driver Michael Schumacher The great wingman Rubens Barrichello
Amazigng times, four geniuses came together - Todt, Brawn, Byrne and Schumacher, they were each so strong in what they were doing. And even stronger together. And I like Magny Cours, much more intersting track than Paul Ricard...
I remember that race. It was amazing and shows what happens when the team trusts their driver to do what he can do. Micromanagement is not the key to victory -- it is the road to defeat.
Here all you young F1 fans can see what a team like Ferrari can be like when you have a driver who is alegend and who also is the hidden team manager and engineer. THIS was F1!!!
I remember once MSC had taken pole and did just 7 laps from start line and pitted. It was a masterstroke to take pole in Q3 on very light race fuel and those lightning fast first seven laps gave him all the advantage he needed. It was like a jigsaw puzzle where all the pieces were perfectly put out by Ferrari over the weekend.
Perhaps this Ferrari team wasn't as well organized or continuously successful as Mercedes is now, overall.
But Ferrari were operating at a higher level than any team I've ever seen, at their peak.
If they didn't beat you with the fastest car, they would beat you through their superior strategies. That's why races like Spa 2004 were so enjoyable. Awesome to see Kimi Raikkonen stand up to this unstoppable team.
Ferrari used their raw peer and blitz changed and mixed that with some strategic magic idk of,
Like Jeremy Clarkson said during this era, "Ferrari has been using Science and Maths and since then, they have been top of the tree"
Let's not forget the fastest driver today, MAX 👍
@@gangoffour6690 what the fuck does this have to do with max
@@gangoffour6690 lol 😂 cringe 😬
"Ferrari doesn't make too many mistakes in pit stops"
If only that remained true... If only
“The Ferrari team in general are like a clockwork operation.” Damn.
@@ChristianVidauri because they used to be European, now they aren’t coordinated at all, looks like Mediterranean people
@@Luchon20082010 Is that some sneaky way of being racist ? Anyway they had the 2 biggest brains on the grid with Ross Brawn and Jean Todt, they just need to get new strategists and they are good to go...
@@Luchon20082010 Italians are also Europeans, so ?
@@unwokeneuropean3590 i know i was just being ironic
Watching this after Hungarian GP 2022. It's actually hurts to watch the strategy blunders of present time. Bring Ross Brawn back 😂
CZcams recommendations just pouring salt in our wounds
Well what RB did in Hungary was almost as incredible as this.
It's just that the 4 stopper was only possible with Michael behind the wheel
@@elonmusk9697 How can you say that what RB did was anywhere near. RB didn't need to do shit, just go for the correct strategy (2 Mediums, 1 Soft in any order). Ferrari just lost the race big time. Granted Max did have some other cars to overtake but it's not that difficult when you are racing F1 cars agains F1.5
I miss the sound of these cars
I was about to say the same. Here is a woke idea - too many Italians in the team?
16:49
"Ferrari doesn't make mistakes in pit stops. Michael doesn't make too many mistakes. The Ferrari team in general is pretty much like a clockwork operation"
Ferrari in 2022: What's that?
Ferrari in 2020 : 💀🗿
Today's Ferrari = Salvador Dali clockwork
Understood, we are checking
Something something italian something something passion something something unprecented speed.
*barely made any improvements since last year*
"Next year."
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Ferrari since 2009: 💀
Things that were better then:
1. The sound
2. Car agility... WOW
3. TV direction, just incredible. Captures all the action, great camera angles, no crowd shots, no jump cuts every 2 seconds to random shots of spare wheels and shit.
Honourable mention for the open cockpit but the Halo is a life saver so I wouldn't go back on this.
Personally I don't like refuelling, it makes the race difficult to follow but wow does it ever make the cars nimble!
Modern TV graphics are better but I do miss seeing the rev counter going to 18k+ revs, so nostalgic
Yeah the TV direction is what stood out to me, it's miles better. Sad to see modern F1 even lost the TV direction.
I find the high pitch sound quite irritating to be honest.
the cars felt so much faster because of the way the cameras were set up
Things that were better then: Ferrari
@@cyan_oxy6734 What!!!!!????? Are you even human?
I still think the sense of speed you get from these older smaller cars is just insane.
It looks much faster than todays cars. But obviously it isn’t.
@@herceg6772 I actually doubt that, in race pace the 2004 cars are quite fast
@@thomasvanasperen9097 there are some comparisons on you tube showing todays car slightly faster. However 2000-2006 cars looks more agressive and faster thru curves.
@@herceg6772 In qualifying laps and at the end of the gp on low fuel the 2020 cars were faster, but over a full race stint the 2004 cars were faster because they carried far less weight, and were a lot more nimble. The modern cars have a lot more torque through having turbocharged engines and electric motors to supplement them, as well as having a higher peak power, and the modern cars have a lot more downforce.
What this equates to is cars that are pretty equal overall, but deliver their pace in totally different areas. The 2020 Mercedes W11 is slightly over 5.7m long, with the Ferrari F2004 being a little over 4.5m long. The W11 is 141kg heavier than the F2004. The weight difference blows out even more in the 2022 cars, with the 2022 cars being 798kg, compared to 605kg in the 2004 cars.
That's a 32% increase in weight, and a 26% increase in length, which is why modern cars look so lazy and easier to drive at the limit than the old cars. That explains why the old cars were just so much more dynamic on track. Bringing those car specs back, but with slicks and no driver aids, would be the ultimate F1 for me, and would make the modern cars look like a joke. (also just putting slicks on a 2004 car would make it significantly quicker than the 2022 or even the 2020 cars).
@@formulajuan5762 👍
Schumacher and Ferrari are the true definition of the dream team. The things they did out on track were so clever. They were so fast they could sacrifice qualifying on Pole so they could play with clever strategies during the race and Win on Sunday. They could rely on each other. Ferrari came up with a race winner strategy during the race live and Michael Schumacher will be told what he needs to do next to win and then give it everything you've got, consistent qualifying laps but at the right moment. It was so incredible to watch them outsmart everyone.
Brawn, Todt, Byrne and Schumacher were indeed a dream team
@@pdrseverance *leglerg
@@joakimjeppsson1443 I keep saying this. It was never "Ferrari" that made them so dominant in that era. Those specific people would have made any team a powerhouse.
@@Ro7ard they made ferrari a powerhouse. Ferrari was a dead team before schumi came
@@mirrrie Ferrari before Schumi was like todays Ferrari
This 2004 Ferrari is the pinnacle of the F1 sport. No other car looked better, sounded better and was driven by the best ever driver.
W11.
@@mtnmoo Was not driven by the best driver
@@mtnmoo definitely didn’t sound good and pretty average in terms of looks
@@mtnmoo current F1 is borderline shite in terms of car looks, sounds and drivability m8.
@@falkenaugeoli5939 xd
2004: Schumacher wins with a 4-stop strategy
2022: Leclerc loses with a 3-stop strategy
On the rare day that my boy manages to not crash
@@RNCHFND He crashed two times where only one put him out of the race.
4 stops worked back in the day due to the refuelling, different game these days.
@@RNCHFND Leclerc only crashed 2 times, Leclerc is just pushing harder than normal, because he doesn't know when he will get another car this fast again.
Leclerc dragged that Ferrari and shockingly defeated Red Bull in Austria, and later P2 in WDC ahead of Perez. Who does that? Only the inevitable drivers. The guy who drags the Ferrari to a top 5 in the British gp despite having worn hard tyres. Verstappen would finish P11 if he drove the 2022 Ferrari, bcs he only knows how to drive a rocketship.
When almost everything ferrari did worked
Maked it easier when the driver is capable of such special talent
Well they had a good strategist like Ross braun. Now the current ones at Ferrari looks like a bunch of clowns, trying to cook.
When Ferrari has won, it has almost always been IN SPITE of the team and its shitty strategies. Almost all Ferrari victories can be pinned on the drivers themselves and a small handful of strong-willed and self-aware people on the team. Ferrari as a whole is pompous, arrogant, and indecisive. It always has been. Even when the cars were good they only got that way because people like Schumi sacrificed ungodly amount of their time testing and pushing the team forward with their large personalities. Ferrari itself has rarely if ever been the actual catalyst of their own success. Maybe their mystique and popularity is the red color. Or maybe people just want to break a wild horse that has no discipline or intelligence.
Ross brawn and John todt
Ferarri will never win with an all Italian team members. The environment in there probably feels like a family environment.
The good ole days lol
Schumacher is the definition of racingdriver
Legend. Damn they’re throwing that cars hard. And DAT v10 SOUND. And proportions. Tire war. Refuels. No DRS. Commanding performance of Red Baron.
I miss it. I miss it so much.
I mean ‘21 and ‘22 should not leave me complaining, but still that is THE ERA for me.
Nothing good comes out of a tyre war
@@Alucard-gt1zf ,yh or does. When someone conserves there tyres better and then can have different strategy is nice to see like Hamilton putting on softs at Hungary last weekend
@@archiesutherland6127 the tyre war is not between drivers but between the tire manufacturers
The people who brought DRS and KERS to racing must be thrown under the sea 🤮
One of the few things I have noticed watching this period is some quali sessions Schumi and Ferrari would more or less try to minimize the damage by qualifying just in the top 4 while using their superior race pace and great strategy to win. This and silverstone were perfect examples of that.
They knew Michelin tyres were usually better in 1 lap in Q than Bridgestone tyres - which Ferrari had so they preferred race strategy.
Because of fuel loads during the refueling era, pole was less important. Ferrari could carry much more fuel than rivals to run a more "ideal" strategy. When they ran low fuel, especially in 2002 and 2004, the car was unbelievably quick.
@@willski1221 it was reported that the Bridgestones ferrari used were completely different than the ones other teams were using....Eddie Jordan once revealed that in an interview
@@bugsy791 they 100% were
Michelin did the same with Renault and McLaren (made custom versions of their tires)
@@willski1221 i think in the same interview he said when they were fitted to the jordans they significant ly faster
The beauty of that Ferrari and its V10 sound, the way Michael tackles every turn with seamless precision into each straight and his ability to bang near quali laps for the entire duration of a GP without overworking the tires, Michael and Ross' way of changing strategy on the fly with perfect communication, and the work of the Ferrari team in the pits. Everything in this race was a masterclass for their contemporaries and the generations to follow.
God i miss Schumi, you were the reason why i loved F1, its not the same with out you anymore, god bless you Michael and thx for all the years you raced and gave us the best racing in F1, i hope you get well soon, and i hope your son Mick gets a great career in F1.
same
Schumacher was a strategist's dream. Who else on that grid could be trusted to push all race to pull off a 4 stopper? 70 quali laps in a row without error, basically.
(Maybe you could trust Raikonnen or Alonso the following season, but they probably hadn't earned that trust just yet in 2004).
On today’s grid there’s probably only 3 people who could pull this off. Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen.
@@moeez1211 Hamilton 25 positions gained in sprint and race in Sp last year, so I agree with u
@@moeez1211 not verstardpen
@@barryallenwastaken you’ve got to be one sad delusional boy to say ‘not verstappen’
@@moeez1211 and that's why Schumacher, Alonso, Räikkönen, Hamilton and Verstappen are the best drivers of the last 20 years
(sry Rosberg and Vettel)
This was one of the most amazing driving and team performances in Formula One history.
Michael drove that Ferrari like it was made into his body.
And the Ferrari team was absolutely perfect.
I was laughing when Michael crossed the finish line in first place.
This was one of Michaels best days ever.
I will never forget his smile after the race.
Only the Kaiser can achieve that
The glory days of Ferrari and the dream team of Michael, Ross and John.
it's jean todt.. he's french..
And Rory Byrne.
Without even hearing the commentary, you could see from the onboard that Nando was steering the car. he has a pretty unique style of handling the wheel.
And as you can see in the final turn: track limits weren't a thing back then...
There are 3 drivers I can recognize without any sound: Kimi, Alonso and Alesi (hand position for Jean).
Fernando could handle the Renault that way because of the different tyres and tyre attack angle in corners. He basically oversteered into the corner to get straight faster than other drivers and to be able to accelerate out of the corner faster.
Couldn't do that in the Ferrari later however, since there tyres were different.
They were. Sometimes.
@@klamin_original mass damper needed this type of input mate
@@klamin_original actually he intentionally induced understeer. Michael and Kimi like oversteer-y cars. Alonso did this because of two reasons: the renault had a very solid rear end, and the michelin tires were bricks, meaning they were incredibly strong and were very cold. He sacrificed time going into the corner by understeering, but this heated the tires up more and gave him incredible traction and drive out of the corner. That is why he doesnt do it on every corner, and understeered varying amounts per corner.
Jean Todt, Ross Brawn, Michael Schumacher.
Those trio wouldn't give you a chance to win a title even closer.
Forget Byrne !
Brings tears to my eyes how much we all miss those cars and the engines.
This is what I love about Ferrari and F1 in general during that era. The cars, especially the Ferrari, and the tires were made to be pushed all the time and to the limit. Ferrari designed the F2004 to do low fuel max pace runs and it worked like a treat because the car was a rocketship and Schumi got the most out of it.
schumi raced alone and ferrari worked only for him.
and not because he was the best, but he had the best sponsors.
the day the Schumi retired the other Ferrari driver won easily
@@leart78 I'm only replying for the benefit of others, you clearly have an axe to grind against M. Schumacher. First of all, the driver who replaced him at Ferrari did not easily win. He had two points over 2nd and 3rd places, that hardly qualifies as "easily". Kimi was no slouch either, one of the best drivers of that generation.
Second point, we've seen drivers with "best" sponsors who amounted to nothing or barely anything.
Third point, before Michael Schumacher went to Ferrari, they were not doing well, at all. He spent a few years with them, working and building together. Then they ripped the benefits for the years to follow. If anything, we can say that Kimi inherited the benefits of years of prior work.
Forth point, you can say whatever you want against Schumacher. He won several championships with and for Ferrari. After he left, they won a single driver's word title, back in 2007. Surely they haven't done that on purpose.
Keep grinding that axe, you'll need it to cut through your foolishness.
@@Sam-zh8jdabsolutely well said.
Now, imagine getting Michael's complete Team Radio from this race, Be so interesting to hear the dialogue.
Man this was the perfect formula... it didn't need to be changed, these cars were unbelievable
Yeah it was but at the time people were complaining. Looking back it was great.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Because of pollution
@@Sacciuiguai It wasnt about pollution it was about the gaps between teams and lack of overtaking
@@Sacciuiguai the lacking of overtake was terrible, the most "exciting" moments where the pit stops, the show was basicly watch schumacher win almost races, no overtaking just positions changes on pit stops.
@@ciaronsmith4995 compared to modern F1 this era was a total bore fest, even the Merc domination was much closer than the Ferrari years
These cars look amazing through the corners and overall!
Also good french gp. Much more interesting than todays
So light and agile it's fucking beautiful
Not like today's shitty hybrid boats
Back when I loved F1, the cars, the sound and the commentary were all spot on
Brawn, Todt, Michael- best team ever
This is what Formula 1 racing Is supposed to be.
elaborate "this"?
wdym by this bruh 💀 every car is like 10 kilometers away with barely any chance of overtaking
@@MyChannel-ww8mo go and watch DRS sh*t
V10 sound baby!!!
@@MyChannel-ww8mo only thing they would say is "V10 !!!!!" Completely ignoring the disparity between the cars lol
The F2004 was that fast with such a driver like him that they can pit 4 times and still got it.
Thats 80% true. The other 20% was that the pitlane at Magne Coure was really short which made the timeloss in the pitt minimal. And it was Michael Schumacher who drove.
Montoya wasn't that slow. And he didn't pit 4 times. The F2004 was unbelievable fast AF and got the combo fast car+world champion skilled driver. That's why they can afford strategies like that and get in the pocket.
16:36 is the moment.
The 04 Ferrari, was probably one of the best F1 cars ever. Such an incredible machine. Paired with Micheal it was pretty dominant.
The cars not only sounded better , but it felt so much faster too . Look at them just flying out there on the track.
Watching that schumacher was a thing of beauty
It's so interesting seeing Alonso's driving style of that time. He purposely induces massive understeer by turning the wheels very aggessively to heat the front tyres up. When the understeer ends, he has more grip because the tyres are warmer and gets a better exit. This is very hard to control and only works because the Renault has a balance that allows it. In today's cars with today's tyres, this would simply be horrible, but back then, it worked.
We've all seen that video man
@@Iunio92 interestingly, I searched for it after writing this, but I couldn't find it. The Driver61 video about Alonso is just gone
@@Iunio92 no
After today I had to watch this to remember that there were times where Ferrari had good strategies .
nah michael just made ferrari seem like a competent and professional team
@@mikepod637 Both your statements are true though lol because it wasn't just the driver that made that team. It was the ruthlessly competent leadership.
This were times where Ferrari had the best strategists, lead by the best of them all, Ross Brawn.
Driven by the best driver ever
Bring back BRIDGESTONE tyres as well 😢
Not the SHITTY PIRELLI we have today
To me these were the most beautiful era of F1 cars... imagine if they had run on slick tires, the track records would probably still be standing today by a long shot
Can we just appreciate the driving technique of Alonso??? That sharp turning/flicking just before the apex's into the corners was something brilliant
Well he lost to Trulli in 2004, and failed to win a race in a very fast Renault that year, so it wasn't that brilliant. In my view Kimi had the best driving style, followed by Michael, Mika in the V10 era. Alonso had an ugly but effective driving style though.
@@ciaronsmith4995 because you are Kimi fan. Duh
@@GraciasAlo14 Has nothing to do with it.
@@ciaronsmith4995 Most Alonso fans don't care about Raikkonen, but you Kimi fans always going furious when you see good comments about Alonso.
I think you guys have a serious inferiority complex.
Glory days of Ferrari stratergy and Schumacher's master class!
Oh! How much today's Ferrari would like to wind back the time for this!
Just beautiful. Almost 20 years ago, but absolute perfection, modern cars are not anywhere near...
Alonso speeds in the pitlane at 4:36. Interesting that it wasn't noticed.
Unbelievable observation. It could be delayed though as some images were back then - he seems to move his left thumb after the pitlane speedlimit line. If not, that should have been penalized. Potentially another mistake in a poor season by Alonso, frankly.
Possibly audio sync error? They had auto detectors back then.
Audio isn’t synched properly I don’t think. Look at his left thumb on the pit speed button, seems like it’s legal
@@ciaronsmith4995 Not a mistake if he wasn't penalized tho
typical comment from people who don't know F1.
From onboard footage it looks even faster than current F1 cars.
Because of things named camera tech (FPS and so on)
2004 cars might've actually been faster than current F1 cars - they were so much lighter which made them much more nimble, and the smaller cars make it seem like they're travelling faster too
@@meable3763 put them on modern slick tyres from 2021 and they would certainly be faster
Well Ralf Schumacher drove his old bmw in austria and had times good enough for q3 , with slicks
@@mArvAlcao71 fps bruuuuh. No. It's because the difference in fov
I like how much better the TV direction was back in the day.
I remember watching this race, and seeing those names on the leaderboard brings back some awesome memories. Talk about glory days of a motorsport... when almost 20 years on and I could still name every driver on that grid.
I was so upset back then on those grooved tyres, I always wondered what they could do with full slicks! Also, can't believe Alonso is still on the grid!
Man. These cars sound 3 times faster than today's 1.6L grand tourers..
yea they look quicker too
It's because of the Camera
And they are so much lighter so they look faster and more nimble. The new cars are heavier and they are also filled with fuel, these are lighter and don’t have nearly as much fuel
Turbos both now and in the 80s are far superior to those boring NAs
@@Sticktothemodels Turbos are for diesels. Real men like screaming NA monsters.
Love the way Fernando manhandled the steering when turning. Beautiful to watch.
Such beautiful sound and car design!
did they put on hard that day?
videos like this make me wish Charles Leclerc could finally have a confident pitwall full of race strategists like Michael did
That Renault V10 car driven by Alonso was a monster...he throws the car around in turns ,he does not drive it..!!!
To me these F1 - cars have been the best, beautiest ever made.
Man I miss James Allen. So much more alert and knowledgeable than David Croft. Allen only got a bit of a bad wrap comparatively because he had to follow Murray. Which no one ever could really live up to
Croft is a stain on modern F1. Incredible he's kept the job for 10+ years.
@@thomasconway95True, and he’s disgustingly biased that I sometimes have to mute the stream.
One of the greatest drives ever
Why does this look and feel much better to watch than current F1 ?
The racing, strategy, the sounds and the speed of the nimble car, too
This video screams bring back Magny-Cours!
We wish 😢
Refuling means strategy, man it was awesome back then
This was the best combo ever.
I really miss this era of F1
Thank you for the videos. I used to watch Schumi with my mum. The night races with a bag of chrisps in her bed. Awesome times.
F Alonso is still going strong. Feeling obliged have witness the whole cycle of his!
It's France 2022 and no A-team, but Sbinalla.
Simply legends. Team and driver.
This was real F1. Great commentary and proper sound from the cars and proper power that F1 is really all about. Mad to think this was almost 20 years ago.
FERRARI then : 👹
FERRARI now : 🤡
Incredible team performance from Ferrari; flawless strategy, pitstops and driving from Mr. Schumacher.
18 years later and still the same voices - Fantastic
Especially Ted love you
Una macchina incredibile guidata da un pilota altrettanto incredibile
The master at work.👏👏👏👏👏
You don't realise how much F1 has been downgraded until you watch back. Raw pace, energy and strategy going on. People say it was boring because there was no overtaking, those people just didn't have the patience and attention span to appreciate strategy or really well executed overtakes. Now we have DRS and literal overtake buttons, the racing is certainly not more exciting.
No
Well said. The racing today is a little false as most of the overtakes are done with drs. No setting up just waiting for the drs line. This is why the cars are closer together. I loved the 80s 90s 2000s with refeuling and tyre strategies and drivers going flat out.
The only thing that made old F1 better was the refuelling. And less dirty air compared to prior seasons. Stop with the nostalgia
@@purplestarfish6356 it's not nostalgia. The strategy options different tyre brands/ compounds gave different strategy options. The cars sounded absolutely amazing. While I can appreciate the technical brilliance of the current cars, there is no excitement about them. The noise it what used to seperate f1 from other motorsports. Now they do the same tyre stops and drive to conserve fuel and tyres and wait for the drs to overtake rather than setting up a genuine overtake.
You are right !
What to say... GENIUS Ross Brawn and The LEGEND Michael Schumacher. One of those GP I can watch over and over again!!!
The way Alonso understeered the fuck outta that Renault attacking each corner never fails to blow my mind
Always have the reputation to outperformed the car...
Seeing Ross Brawn with his arms crossed looking wisely from the pit wall just gives you the confidence that everything is fine!
If Montoya didn't crash into Schumacher in Monaco, there's a strong chance Schumacher could have won every race that season.
Except for Spa.
Yes except for Spa but with Monaco if Montoya wouldn't have crashed into Schumacher and 1993 DNF ahead of Senna, he would be the king of Monaco
The truth is that 04 Ferrari was so dominant they could have done literally any strategy they wanted and win
Deadly duo of Schumi n Ross
One of the best Races of MSC and Ferrari (inkl. Ross Brawn)!!!
The vibe is distinctly different from nowadays. The cars seem to be lonelier, battles are rarer, what matters more is the pace in order to have a good pit stop. In a a way that makes it feel more like qualifying but every lap? And of course the way these cars looks agile and powerful is so appealing visually. One thing I notice though is that there’s a lot lot less focus on the midfield than today!
video started randomly but i cant stop it. i love and miss these sound.
bring back these cars and their engines
Legend
goddamn those cars look so much faster than the current cars
hell yeah they do
They are faster. Put them on slicks and they‘ll beat the times of the 2020 cars.
@@Reaz399 Not as simple, the groved tires were developed to suit the cars and the cars were developed to suit the tires
@@crazycupckake4676 Maybe but slicks are miles faster than grooved tires. Ralf Schumacher was driving the 2003 Willams BMW on slicks in Austria with a turned down engine and not being able to rev as high as he could and he put up faster times than all of the 2022 cars bar RB and Ferrari ( he also said that he oviously couldn‘t fully push at his age anymore) . Now imagine the F2004 with slicks, a setup tuned to that and low fuel. They would absolutely smash the 2020 cars especially on power heavy tracks.
Miss these engines so much, and this wonderful track!
V10, No Fuel limits, No tire limits. This is Formula 1.
Ironic this popped up after Ferrari's screw-up in Hungary. Interesting..
These cars seem so much more powerful than today's F1 cars ...also that engine sound ..wow 😎
They had better power/weight ratio for sure
I need to point out how good of a camera coverage this was!
DREAM TEAM MASTERCLASS!!!!!!! ❤#KeepFightingMichael
Nothing excites like a F1 V10.
When pit stops were more than 3 seconds
What amazing car! What amazing driver! Kaiser ❤️ ci manchi da morire!!
Something about the way they film this era makes them feel so much faster than the modern F1 cars. So much more raw.
A whole race full of qualifying laps. #goat
Ah yes, back when Ferrari had an actual masterplan with :
The leadership of Jean Todt
The genius of Ross Brawn
The fastest driver Michael Schumacher
The great wingman Rubens Barrichello
Amazigng times, four geniuses came together - Todt, Brawn, Byrne and Schumacher, they were each so strong in what they were doing. And even stronger together. And I like Magny Cours, much more intersting track than Paul Ricard...
I remember that race. It was amazing and shows what happens when the team trusts their driver to do what he can do. Micromanagement is not the key to victory -- it is the road to defeat.
Here all you young F1 fans can see what a team like Ferrari can be like when you have a driver who is alegend and who also is the hidden team manager and engineer. THIS was F1!!!
Schumi war ne Maschine!
I miss these types of strategy battles
I remember once MSC had taken pole and did just 7 laps from start line and pitted. It was a masterstroke to take pole in Q3 on very light race fuel and those lightning fast first seven laps gave him all the advantage he needed. It was like a jigsaw puzzle where all the pieces were perfectly put out by Ferrari over the weekend.