The "how to" directions from JM has changed SO MANY times in the last 6 years becuase they have added many different supplemental items to make thier original GoBoards better. I wish they would eliminate all of the old (now WRONG) internet references and publish a new definitive set of best practices based upon what they currently offer.
I've been following your bathroom renovation projects and appreciate the insights you share. I recently conducted a detailed exploration into the safety and installation practices concerning foam core backer boards, specifically focusing on the critical role of wood blocking for secure grab bar installations. Our findings highlight the potential risks and structural integrity issues that can arise from omitting wood blocking, even with the most reliable materials and techniques. Given the importance of safety and durability in renovations, I thought this information could be beneficial to your projects and audience. Incorporating wood blocking can significantly enhance the strength and safety of grab bar installations, a detail that's often overlooked. I'd be happy to share our findings and discuss further. Keep up the great work, and thank you for sharing your knowledge with the community!
The best I'm a pro tile installer and since I did the first job with this product never used the cemented board again..another level..light and better finish.
I love it too. Did a job with 3x6 subway tiles and one course was right over the 2" seam of pro sealant. I wondered how much adhesion you get directly over the pro sealant or if they expect a certain percentage of the tile back to get adhesion with the gray surface of the goboard.
Just completed a large shower tile in my master bathroom. I love how easy it was to install go board. It is so lightweight, easy to cut and easy. I did my other bath 2 years ago with hardibacker and it took half the time and a lot less mess and muscle! I am going to use if for my bathroom floor too. I'd highly recommend this product.
go board I will say is hands down the best #1 product for tile installation I am in love with this product!!make pro installers life way easier and I would never come back to any other board then (Go board)
The first time you use it, you feel like your dreaming. It weighs nothing. It's 100% waterproof. As long as you can source the screws and Pro Sealant, it's hands down the way to prep shower/tub walls.
Nails must be a maximum of 6” apart, but the dots on the boards are 9” apart. I really love the fiberglass surface that adds the itchy fun that other boards doesn’t offer.
i was under the impression that thin-set achieves a better bond when the subfloor is slightly wet (so it doesn't leech the water out of the thin-set immediately thus preventing good adhesion)
you are correct..he missed that step...he also didnt burn the mortar into the subfloor before before he did his directional trowling...maybe because it was just a quick tutorial...but all the more reason to be more specific
@@JoseLopez-yn9eg I mean there aren't any videos for how to handle windows or bathtubs... You know, the things most people have in their house. A lot a what ifs left unanswered.
How to handle tubs? It's the same exact as the acrylic shower base in the video. As far as a window in the shower, get it tight, seal it the same way. I'm not sure what your looking for.
@@mattschwope tub, shower, window, wall. are you serious ? He explained that the goboard goes where the tile goes, how to prep, cut, seams and fastening. So regardless of the shape of your room or what objects you have in it you apply the same methods.
Are there any significant insulation properties to this? R-Value? I know it's not the purpose of it, but I'm curious since it sounds like a type of aerated plastic board -- almost like those pink foam insulation boards.
Should Goboard lap over the shower pan flange or stop above the flange to leave a gap and prevent wicking as recommended for conventional cement backer board?
Can you use a silicone sealant instead of a polyurethane sealant? I was under the impression that polyurethane detetiorates after 5 years whereas silicon can last 20+.
Does anyone know if fiberglass tape and mortar be used for the Go Board seems instead of Polyurethane sealant? Also, can Mapei Aqua Defense be use to cover the entire board, as an extra waterproofing step?
..sure wish this was available in the west. California specifically. I cannot understand why (other than keeping competition out) why the light weight foam backers are not available at Home Depot or Lowes. The lowest pricing for 3x5 DUROCK is 37.50 .. almost double the cost of Goboard.
I searched the Johns Manville website for "where to buy" and found a local distributor of GoBoard for $25 per the 1/2" board!! Lowes lists it as a product on their website, but it is not available (and hasn't been for since I started searching few months ago). I hope this helps.
This installation video differs from the other installation video from JM. In the other video it shows applying the sealant after installing the Go Boards. Also if you seal it the way shown in this video, the other video says that is wrong. In other words, the other video shows a wider sealing width once you over with a trowel.
Doug, personally, I lay down a bead of sealant prior to abutting all boards to one another. That way I know there is sealant in between the entire thickness of the foam board (look for adequate squeeze out along the length of the butt joint). Then, later, I go back and using a small putty knife I will seal all screw holes and the 2" required seam coverage. But you could do it all afterwards, as long as you make sure to maintain 1/8" gap along all joints.
Donn: That makes sense and guarantees a waterproof seal. It’s how I wound up installing it in a large walk in shower project. First time using GoBoard and I’m sold on it
@@kiheidude It's almost too good to be true. It weighs nothing. It's effortless to transport, cut, and work with. I do spend more time prepping my framing, and have actually installed plywood in my shower bay before, just so the GoBoard can be screwed over the entire surface. But man, it's hands down my favorite substrate for showers surrounds.
RootStriker, when you use GoBoard on the floor, they recommend using a fiberglass mesh tape to reinforce the seams. When you do this you need to use, mortar to link the two boards together. Then to make it waterproof, you would use a product like AquaDefense. The AquaDefense will bond properly to the mortar. If you aren't using the mesh tape (on walls), using Pro Sealant gives you a waterproof installation.
I also live in Arizona and bought the last ten sheets from Lowes on Northern Blvd. None of them now have it and i can't get a straight answer out of them when it will be restocked
you didn't say why putting sealant at bottom of first board is necessary. clip that includes it would've been helpful and explain why. perhaps not require on custom shower pan where membrane goes 6 in up wall that board is placed over.
I think it's the window, door and siding sealant. It's what's shown under recommended accessories on the menards website towards the bottom of the goboard page
I love GoBoard but i see the aqua defense doesn't stick well to the polyurethane you can rub the aquadefense with the palm of your hand and it will curl off...... I still find GoBoard the best of the best
In what situations do you feel the need to install AquaDefense over GoBoard? In reading the Mapei tech sheet, I am not convinced GoBoard is an acceptable substrate. Maybe JM will chime in and answer this question.
@@donnbialik9085 The goboard is fantastic and the polyurethane is more than enough by itself.... only the screwheads and seams need the polyurethane ...... the board itself is a fantastic product and will use it again but without the aqua defense which does not stick well to the polyurethane. I've taken a small iece of it and put it into a bucket of water with a brick to hold it down for a month and it passed the test with flying colors..... to me it's much better that the cement boards
Not sure about aquadefense but Redgard will. I spoke to Redgard and they suggested that you apply redgard over the sealant while it's still a little tacky (within ~4 hrs of installing sealant). They found that it sticks better that way.
This stuff is nice but Lowes and Home depot only want to carry it by the pallet. I don't need 60 sheets to do a bathroom. You guys need to work on your supply chain for this stuff to really take off.
You aren't competing against cement board anymore, you're competing against other foam board manufacturers. Love the fiberglass membrane. But the one thing that gives pause is I have read goboard is polyiso. As opposed to EPS like Wedi, Kerdi, Laticrete, etc. If I an going foam, I want the benefit of truly 100% waterproof, submersible. Polyiso is not, EPS is. Make a video that convinces me goboard over the other foam board companies.
Wow, pretty informative. However, you messed up on your tile layout by mirroring the inside cuts instead of continuing the flow. Better luck next time.
"Then I'll take my polyurethane sealant and apply it to the bottom edge of my piece of goboard. Then fasten it to the studs at the wall base. I need to apply enough of it so that it squeezes out at the side when I fasten goboard to the stud. I'll show you why in a minute." This is never shown. Instead the video just moves on to the next piece of goboard in the stack.
STOP: Do Not Use this video for instructional guidance. GoBoard is great... but the installation instructions have changed many times in the last 7 years. Do yourself a favor and search CZcams for a more current GoBoard installation video.
Interesting, I notice a very light sulfur-like smell. To me it smells just like Terra Haute, Indiana. LOL And I don't find it particularly itchy either.
Pam M , Also, why is it required on the walls, but on the floor you can use liquid membrane ? Seems like it defeats the purpose. One tub of the liq. rubber stuff can do the entire bathroom and still have plenty left over to do 5 more bathrooms. This is my first introduction to this brand name foam board. And already l like it compared to the Kerdi/ Shluter videos.
@@BlueOriginAire that was my question as well, i cant imagine putting the waterproofer on top of the joints on the wall would cause any issues? would it be extra protection?
The "how to" directions from JM has changed SO MANY times in the last 6 years becuase they have added many different supplemental items to make thier original GoBoards better. I wish they would eliminate all of the old (now WRONG) internet references and publish a new definitive set of best practices based upon what they currently offer.
Agreed! I’m seeing a lot of different techniques that are “sponsored” by John’s Mansville.
What’s the best recommended sealant for the board?
GoBoard sealant, OSI Quad max or something else?
I've been following your bathroom renovation projects and appreciate the insights you share. I recently conducted a detailed exploration into the safety and installation practices concerning foam core backer boards, specifically focusing on the critical role of wood blocking for secure grab bar installations. Our findings highlight the potential risks and structural integrity issues that can arise from omitting wood blocking, even with the most reliable materials and techniques.
Given the importance of safety and durability in renovations, I thought this information could be beneficial to your projects and audience. Incorporating wood blocking can significantly enhance the strength and safety of grab bar installations, a detail that's often overlooked.
I'd be happy to share our findings and discuss further. Keep up the great work, and thank you for sharing your knowledge with the community!
this guy explains every step clearly with all details, clean, easy, fast i like this materials.
The best I'm a pro tile installer and since I did the first job with this product never used the cemented board again..another level..light and better finish.
I love it too. Did a job with 3x6 subway tiles and one course was right over the 2" seam of pro sealant. I wondered how much adhesion you get directly over the pro sealant or if they expect a certain percentage of the tile back to get adhesion with the gray surface of the goboard.
Just completed a large shower tile in my master bathroom. I love how easy it was to install go board. It is so lightweight, easy to cut and easy. I did my other bath 2 years ago with hardibacker and it took half the time and a lot less mess and muscle! I am going to use if for my bathroom floor too. I'd highly recommend this product.
Did you regard it or just the GoBoard sealant
go board I will say is hands down the best #1 product for tile installation I am in love with this product!!make pro installers life way easier and I would never come back to any other board then (Go board)
Thanks for the kind words about GoBoard. I couldn't agree more. In what city are you located?
i am on eastvale california ..i wish all lowes sell goboard but unfortunately they only sell them in some lowes
Gonzalez Tile and Stone Services uuand in
The first time you use it, you feel like your dreaming. It weighs nothing. It's 100% waterproof. As long as you can source the screws and Pro Sealant, it's hands down the way to prep shower/tub walls.
@@donnbialik9085 I believe he just said you can use roofing nails
Nails must be a maximum of 6” apart, but the dots on the boards are 9” apart. I really love the fiberglass surface that adds the itchy fun that other boards doesn’t offer.
I watched another video that says 8" so now I'm confused.
i was under the impression that thin-set achieves a better bond when the subfloor is slightly wet (so it doesn't leech the water out of the thin-set immediately thus preventing good adhesion)
you are correct..he missed that step...he also didnt burn the mortar into the subfloor before before he did his directional trowling...maybe because it was just a quick tutorial...but all the more reason to be more specific
Is the PL S40 sealant equivalent to GoBoard Pro Sealant?
Modified or unmodified thin set!? Huge detail!!!
Thanks for 1/10th of the information I need to be successful. Astonishing this company grew so large being this unorganized.
what do you mean?
@@JoseLopez-yn9eg I mean there aren't any videos for how to handle windows or bathtubs... You know, the things most people have in their house. A lot a what ifs left unanswered.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
How to handle tubs? It's the same exact as the acrylic shower base in the video. As far as a window in the shower, get it tight, seal it the same way. I'm not sure what your looking for.
@@mattschwope tub, shower, window, wall. are you serious ? He explained that the goboard goes where the tile goes, how to prep, cut, seams and fastening. So regardless of the shape of your room or what objects you have in it you apply the same methods.
Are there any significant insulation properties to this? R-Value? I know it's not the purpose of it, but I'm curious since it sounds like a type of aerated plastic board -- almost like those pink foam insulation boards.
On their website, there is a PDF that in lists the r-value of the different size boards.
Should Goboard lap over the shower pan flange or stop above the flange to leave a gap and prevent wicking as recommended for conventional cement backer board?
I would lap it over. Further, cover the lap with peel and stick bituthene.
in all the research I've done, you put it above the flange and then use mesh and water proof the seam. Not over the flange.
most definetly lap it over, score out some of the board on the back so the boards lays flat...you dont want the flange pushing out the board
Inside corner instructions? Did i miss the part where he gives instructions for sealing the inside corner? Id like to see that.
Can you use a silicone sealant instead of a polyurethane sealant? I was under the impression that polyurethane detetiorates after 5 years whereas silicon can last 20+.
Their website says they do not recommend silicone but it has a list of other approved sealants
Does anyone know if fiberglass tape and mortar be used for the Go Board seems instead of Polyurethane sealant?
Also, can Mapei Aqua Defense be use to cover the entire board, as an extra waterproofing step?
What you find out
Sure, if you’re covering the entire board with a waterproof membrane you might as well buy something cheaper.
why bother?. If your tile lets water behind it youve got bigger problems
I thought you didn’t have to apply redgard or other products like that if you use the GoBoard sealant. So you need the other stuff too?
You only need the waterproofing membrane where you didn’t use polyurethane sealant.
Why are you using Aqua Defense when it states right on the board that it is waterproof?
Seams
..sure wish this was available in the west. California specifically. I cannot understand why (other than keeping competition out) why the light weight foam backers are not available at Home Depot or Lowes. The lowest pricing for 3x5 DUROCK is 37.50 .. almost double the cost of Goboard.
I searched the Johns Manville website for "where to buy" and found a local distributor of GoBoard for $25 per the 1/2" board!! Lowes lists it as a product on their website, but it is not available (and hasn't been for since I started searching few months ago). I hope this helps.
Gary,I can help you find GoBoard. Please let me know what city you are in and I will provide some suppliers. Glad you like our product!Thanks,Rob
Monterey CA
37.50 for Durock?! It's $10 bucks a sheet in the rest of the world
jeff-he talking about foam durock
Whoaly cow, roofing nail gun for wallboard on walls? Unheard of! Thisll speed things up REAL NICE....! O_0
This installation video differs from the other installation video from JM. In the other video it shows applying the sealant after installing the Go Boards. Also if you seal it the way shown in this video, the other video says that is wrong. In other words, the other video shows a wider sealing width once you over with a trowel.
Doug, personally, I lay down a bead of sealant prior to abutting all boards to one another. That way I know there is sealant in between the entire thickness of the foam board (look for adequate squeeze out along the length of the butt joint). Then, later, I go back and using a small putty knife I will seal all screw holes and the 2" required seam coverage. But you could do it all afterwards, as long as you make sure to maintain 1/8" gap along all joints.
Donn: That makes sense and guarantees a waterproof seal. It’s how I wound up installing it in a large walk in shower project. First time using GoBoard and I’m sold on it
@@kiheidude It's almost too good to be true. It weighs nothing. It's effortless to transport, cut, and work with. I do spend more time prepping my framing, and have actually installed plywood in my shower bay before, just so the GoBoard can be screwed over the entire surface. But man, it's hands down my favorite substrate for showers surrounds.
@@donnbialik9085 Yes! At 63 years old, I’m not fond of carting around hardibacker or durarock anymore. LOL.
Wondering why you showed aqua defense waterproofer when go board is waterproof
On seams only
RootStriker, when you use GoBoard on the floor, they recommend using a fiberglass mesh tape to reinforce the seams. When you do this you need to use, mortar to link the two boards together. Then to make it waterproof, you would use a product like AquaDefense. The AquaDefense will bond properly to the mortar. If you aren't using the mesh tape (on walls), using Pro Sealant gives you a waterproof installation.
I would still apply waterproofing even over the sealant. That way, you get a continuous waterproof section.
Why is GoBoard installed on the floor with thinset instead of sealant like in the wall installation?
Probably because you would go broke spreading that stuff on the floor
Its not a pool. You dont need waterproof seams on the floor. THey alwasy overkill this stuff.
Why do you add mesh to the floor and not to the wall.
Buy everything in one trip? Who ever heard of such a thing.
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where can you get this in arizona?
I also live in Arizona and bought the last ten sheets from Lowes on Northern Blvd.
None of them now have it and i can't get a straight answer out of them when it will be restocked
you didn't say why putting sealant at bottom of first board is necessary. clip that includes it would've been helpful and explain why. perhaps not require on custom shower pan where membrane goes 6 in up wall that board is placed over.
So that water can't go behind the board in that location.
Which Loctite polyurethane sealant is that?
I think it's the window, door and siding sealant. It's what's shown under recommended accessories on the menards website towards the bottom of the goboard page
I would encourage you to source the Pro Sealant so you can make good on their warranty.
LN-2000
I love GoBoard but i see the aqua defense doesn't stick well to the polyurethane you can rub the aquadefense with the palm of your hand and it will curl off...... I still find GoBoard the best of the best
In what situations do you feel the need to install AquaDefense over GoBoard? In reading the Mapei tech sheet, I am not convinced GoBoard is an acceptable substrate. Maybe JM will chime in and answer this question.
@@donnbialik9085 The goboard is fantastic and the polyurethane is more than enough by itself.... only the screwheads and seams need the polyurethane ...... the board itself is a fantastic product and will use it again but without the aqua defense which does not stick well to the polyurethane. I've taken a small iece of it and put it into a bucket of water with a brick to hold it down for a month and it passed the test with flying colors..... to me it's much better that the cement boards
Not sure about aquadefense but Redgard will. I spoke to Redgard and they suggested that you apply redgard over the sealant while it's still a little tacky (within ~4 hrs of installing sealant). They found that it sticks better that way.
@@afchannel652 That's a good piece of info which i will remember......thanks :)
So no mesh tape in the shower corners ? Just glue? That's sounds no good.
You guys need an updated video
This stuff is nice but Lowes and Home depot only want to carry it by the pallet. I don't need 60 sheets to do a bathroom. You guys need to work on your supply chain for this stuff to really take off.
Menard's has it readily available in single sheets @$22 for 1/2" board.
Can't find anywhere to order Goboard.
Lowes
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Why are you using loctite sealant? GOboard sells its own sealant. Is there a list of approved sealants???
This is a really old video probably before they made their own sealant
its half the price and works just fine
Someone mentioned in a comment on here that there is a list of approved sealants on the website.
How much is 1/2 inch
Go board ? No one ever gives a price on these new materials.
I just purchased 1/2" x 3' x 5' from my local Menards for around $22.00 per sheet.
4x8. 504 bucks
Lowes is $24.95 in Texas
Inside corners ??,,just caulk ??,,website says use fabric for seams ,NO ?
Caulk it. Tile and grout sealed properly will prevent water from getting in anyway.
It doesn’t matter how to install it if you can’t purchase it. Nowhere in San Diego County.
Why are there ads on a manufacturer how-to
So but it up against but leave a gap🤪 got it...
It seems counter-intuitive that the walls use the thicker boards and the floors thinner. Why is that?
Frank Corley the wall needs a more rigid panel because of the space between studs. The floor is has solid contact with the board.
Yeah, Frank. What he said
This is a foam product, so psi strength goes down as thickness goes up. Floor loads will cause too much flex in thicker panels
Most sheetrock is 1/2 inch so it meets flush with existing. Floors get 1/4 so after tile you have a flush transition to hardwood and or carpet.
Right ear is huge
You aren't competing against cement board anymore, you're competing against other foam board manufacturers.
Love the fiberglass membrane. But the one thing that gives pause is I have read goboard is polyiso. As opposed to EPS like Wedi, Kerdi, Laticrete, etc.
If I an going foam, I want the benefit of truly 100% waterproof, submersible. Polyiso is not, EPS is. Make a video that convinces me goboard over the other foam board companies.
Dude, don't look now your right earlobe is Yuge!!
Wow, pretty informative. However, you messed up on your tile layout by mirroring the inside cuts instead of continuing the flow. Better luck next time.
Go board needs to finalize some contracts with Lowe’s and Home Depot so I don’t have to wait 2 weeks to get this shit.
Go to your local tile company. They will probably carry the whole system, screws, sealant, shower pan not just the walls
Menard's Dude!
"Then I'll take my polyurethane sealant and apply it to the bottom edge of my piece of goboard. Then fasten it to the studs at the wall base. I need to apply enough of it so that it squeezes out at the side when I fasten goboard to the stud. I'll show you why in a minute."
This is never shown. Instead the video just moves on to the next piece of goboard in the stack.
So that you can use your knife to smooth it out over the seam.
He does show it in the next section. Uses the putty knife to spread the excess across the joint. Just keep watching.
If you have a concrete floor just lay your tile on the concrete
STOP: Do Not Use this video for instructional guidance. GoBoard is great... but the installation instructions have changed many times in the last 7 years. Do yourself a favor and search CZcams for a more current GoBoard installation video.
Music doesn’t fit.
please turn that background music off.
That "music" is just SO bad, it is painful.
Get rid of the annoying background music!
Smells horrible when it's cut and the fiberglass facer is horrible. Gotta coverself from head to toe when cutting.
Interesting, I notice a very light sulfur-like smell. To me it smells just like Terra Haute, Indiana. LOL And I don't find it particularly itchy either.
Bad name. Go boards are used for playing Go.
How many tubes of sealant are needed for 130 sf of goboard, if you are using the sealant to seal all seams and penetrations?
Pam M ,
Also, why is it required on the walls, but on the floor you can use liquid membrane ? Seems like it defeats the purpose. One tub of the liq. rubber stuff can do the entire bathroom and still have plenty left over to do 5 more bathrooms.
This is my first introduction to this brand name foam board. And already l like it compared to the Kerdi/ Shluter videos.
@@BlueOriginAire that was my question as well, i cant imagine putting the waterproofer on top of the joints on the wall would cause any issues? would it be extra protection?
Pam M, they recommend 1-1.5 tubes per 3' x 5' board. I've found this to be quite accurate.
It took me 1 tube per sheet! Went quickly.