Integrated Engineering - Stage 1 E85 - Audi B9 S4 Review
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After spending the last few months running Integrated Engineering's Stage 1 - E85 tune in my 2018 Audi S4, I wanted to share with you all my feedback on what I like and what I don't like about the tune. Seeing as I got a little off topic by comparing my B8 to my B9 I made sure to include chapters so you can find what you're interested in hearing about much easier.
If you'd like to check out my review after driving 5000 miles in my stock Audi B9 S4 you can do so here: • The First 5000 Miles I...
If you'd like to check out my Stage 1 - E85 dyno video with Integrated Engineering's Air Intake and Turbo Inlet installed you can find that here: • Dyno Testing Integrate...
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0:00 Intro
1:03 CON - Fuel Economy
2:35 CON - Dropping Out of AMAX Mode
6:03 PRO - Drivability
7:37 PRO - Running E85
9:49 PRO - It’s Faster Than A Stage 1 B8
11:42 PRO - It’s More Enjoyable To Drive Than a B8
13:12 PRO - The ZF8 Transmission is Great
15:12 PRO - Daily Driving The ZF8 Shifts Smoother Than a DSG
16:28 Summary - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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Thank you for the insight! I am about to order 034 stage 2 kit for my S5 B9.5
:D wish me luck
Adam great video. Hope to see you tonight
Thank you
The ZF8 speed auto is one of my favorite transmissions. I do love the DQ500 in my RS3, but there's something really crazy about the ZF when you do launch mode. I used to have a ~650hp '14 BMW 550i xdrive, and it would feel like the car got kicked in the ass on shifts, like an extra boost on shifts. It was really cool. Too bad that car was so heavy, and that twin turbo V8 has BMW problems...
Great vid Adam ! Going to Mission tonight ? Looking forward to some more racing vids ! Missing the RS3 , has tune been completed for the new turbo ? Have a great day .
Yes, I'll be racing tonight. As for the RS3 I'm still waiting on the finalized tune from Unitronic and I will let everyone know the day it is done.
Looking forward to the turbo upgrade sometime in the future hopefully we see some runs before the season ends. Also interested in a low ethanol mileage comparison with a bigger turbo to the e60+ blend on the smol snail.
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I went from B8 to B9 (both stock) and much prefer the DSG. I share the same sentiments as you except I feel that the DSG is smoother overall, just jerky going from a stop into 1st. The ZF8 has this lurch (drivetrain slop?) when upshifting in the lower gears but the DSG shifted so seamlessly. The only thing the ZF8 has over the DSG is more comfortable highway cruising due to having 8 gears vs 7. What I miss the most from my B8 is the more exciting shifts in S mode. The B9 in S mode basically feels like D but with more torque. Currently I'm deciding between IE and 034 tunes. I'm really looking forward to see the TCU tunes make the ZF8 more responsive and smooth.
Hey, Adam, great video again, you look so positive even when you are talking about cons of your car..:) what are the first stage 2 steps you are going to take...and if you are chasing better drag results with bigger turbos may be soon you are going to miss this nice torque and response at lower rpm with this let's say "small" turbocharger?! Where do you think is the limit of this car to be really fully enjoyable daily...
Even though they're cons, the positives still greatly outweigh them so I can't stop smiling, haha. Time will certainly tell on how much i continue to enjoy the drivabilityof the car! The only part missing to go Stage 2 would be a downpipe. As for what the car will feel like past that I won't know until I get there!
In my A7(C7), SC V6, I get about the same mileage on a stage 1 91 tune on Shell 93. 17.86 l/100 km or 13.17 mpg all city driving. 10.35 l/100 km or 22.72 mpg on my last hwy drive.
Have to agree with combining the ecu and tcu tunes. 👍
Story time. So I went with the IE stage 1 and tcu and IE intake and did them at Reiter. When I drove back to Vancouver it was just incredible how much power there was across all the rpm range and I really noticed it at highway speeds in plain auto. Just press on the gas and away I went. 😁
The one thing I wasn’t liking was how it would downshift from 3-2 in auto and in manual mode when coming to a stop. It was jarring and I’m more concerned about my passengers than myself. It would do it all the time but it was still noticeable. I flashed back to stock TCU and that roughness went but so went the power. I had thought I accidentally flashed everything back to stock.
So I reflagged my 91 tune and tested and it seemed like there was more power but not what I felt before. I then reflagged the tcu and welcome back power. 😁 Also I think the rough downshifts are less. I have to go test more but I’ve been stuck at home.
TL:DR - Combine ECU and TCU tunes for best results.
To provide you a bit of an answer for your lack of power, supercharged motors need more rpm's to generate more power. By running a stock TCU tune you have a lower redline meaning your engine won't make as much power up top. I demonstrated that here: czcams.com/video/IBtlrhrq9-g/video.html
Are you running the included the stage 1 TCU tune? Approx. how many gallons of 93 do you think you put in to get around the e62-e64 realm? I know it depends on what percentage the gas station is selling but I was just curious ballpark how many gallons to get that mix
I state in the summary that I'm running the IE TCU tune. I'm using their Stage 2 Race Launch (Slicks Only) because I drag race at the track with drag radials. To blend my fuel I put a 25L jerry can of E100 in my tank and mix that with like 17L of Shell 93 which contains 10% ethanol most of the time. I think that's what it is off the top of my head, haha.
My S5 B9 has a Unitronics Stage 1 plus and I’ve noticed a significant lag when driving say 30 mph the accelerating to merge and I’m not sure if a TCU tune will improve this issue. I’m considering the IE version since Unitronics has not released a TCU to date. Does the IE ECU/TCU tube reduce the lag with a rolling acceleration?
What you're describing is solely controlled by the ECU. A TCU tune will not change that.
Had the same jittery cold shifting. Just tuned and it’s completely gone. Thought I needed the trans serviced.
Nope. Juat terrible OEM tuning from the factory
So I’m not the best one to explain this but, in my case with my B8 A4 and the ZF 6 speed when I launch it from a stop it doesn’t do the farts until 4th gear that it does it, and when I don’t launch it, it farts all the time, my friends B8.5 A4 with the ZF 8 speed does the same thing but with 5th gear, I guess it could be the same for all of them I’m not sure
That literally sounds like the exact same thing I'm dealing with. It may be a problem for multiple ZF transmissions. With that said though I've seen and heard ZF's that stay in AMAX every gear.
I know you have had RS's and S's, is there anyway you can do a comparison of the A series to the S series to the RS series? Mine is a coupe, not the sedan, but I have been following your channel for a while and your opinions and actions on increasing the speed, and dragging your car have been a great idea bar for me to make choices about my car. However, I know there is a difference in HP, but can you possibly speak more about these differences? Just asking. Thanks for all your videos.
Thank you for watching! I can definitely look into this and see what I can do. I've never owned an "A" before so I'd have to do my research first. As for the S4 vs the RS3 I can certain speak to that, but are you looking more for something like an A3 vs S3 vs RS3 so they are all from the same line?
@@VancityAudi Would love a tuned S4 or S5 compared to an RS5!
@@sharduljagtap6521 a tuned S4 or S5 would smoke a stock RS5 😉
Love your videos. E85 has ~25% less energy per gallon as compared to gasoline so those numbers don't sound horrible. My normally 16 mpg Nissan Titan gets 12 mpg when on E85, so 25% less. With gasoline, your in town only would have been ~20 mpg and on your road trip would be ~32 mpg . My stock B8 gets 24-25 mpg in mixed driving so 18 mpg or so if on E85, and much less if just city driving.
From my research and time spent logging I thought that E85 has roughly 30% energy than standard ethanol free pump gas. Close enough, haha.
On a side note, I'm taking my B8 S4 to Fayetteville Dragway tonight in North Carolina to get some stock numbers. I have an 034 stage 2 tune with pulley at home waiting to go on it. Your videos have inspired me to spend way more on the car than I originally planned lol.
@@VancityAudi Lol. Those couple of tanks in the Titan broke me. At the time it was ~5% cheaper at the pump and 25% less mpg. No thanks haha. But I wasn't boosted, so no real reason for it.
@@73tpiz lol, my apologies for that (but not really). I hope you're getting everything out of your ride that you hoped for!
@@VancityAudi No worries.
I'm wondering if the crap gas mileage is from running e85 vs cruising on a 91 tune. You'd think the turbo 3.0 would be more fuel efficient than the old s/c engine, although I had one in my 09 A6 and it was only .5 L/100 worse than my b8 a5 2.0t with the zf8 on a bad day
It's absolutely to do with running ethanol rather than pump gas. Pump gas gets MUCH better gas mileage especially when cruising. My bad if I didn't explain the clearly enough in the video.
Hey brother, tuned mine the other day. Stock 2020 S4. Flashed the stage 1 93 octane and the stage 2 tcu tune with street launch. I noticed right off the bat very hard shifts sometimes even down low and with only lightly applying gas. Also a stutter/shudder at low rpms (1000-2000rpm). Very noticeable in comfort D and Auto D modes. Any ideas? Stock transmission was very smooth in all modes and drive settings. I live in Indianapolis and haven't driven it below about 45 degrees F outside air temp yet. Thanks!
I've never had any sort of stutter/shudder with my car. If you flash it back to stock does the stutter/shudder go away?
@@VancityAudi yeah back to stock now and transmission is buttery smooth, no stutter down low. Maybe bad 93 gas? Gonna try stage 1 ECU and stage 2 tcu again today and see how it feels.
Have you tried the e40 file to see if it made similar power to the e62?
Right here: czcams.com/video/Nx4-bRRoQRg/video.html
@@VancityAudi Im wondering if I can get even better times out of stage 1 e85 tune if I upgrade the hpfp and run stage 1+ ie advertises a lot more power on stage 1+. Can anyone verify ?
@shelbyhaiketic4212 I appreciate all of your comments on multiple videos, but all you need to do is ask the question once next time, lol. I've answered this same question that you've already asked in two other videos.... They do not advertise more power, so I'm not sure why you think that.
I still can't wrap my head around how fast your car is. Like I've said before, we've dyno'd our cars at the same place, o know how much power our cars make comparatively, and your car is faster down the strip. It's insanely fast. I have to chalk it up to the transmission and the fact that you have launch control. I have the zf6hp21 with a stage 3 transmission flash and I just can't match your times no matter how hard I try. Wicked fats car man
You've dyno'd your cat at Racing Greed and make roughly 400whp and 475lb/ft using uncalibrated Mustang numbers? Or are you using Dynojet calibrated numbers that they normally provide customers? Also from the sound of it you have a very different car than I do.
@@VancityAudi I have dyno'd my car at RG, I made over 500whp uncalibrated, but they printed my sheet with the corrected numbers at 598whp, and 573ft/lbs tq. My car is a BMW 335xi with hybrid turbos and FBO with e50 fuel. I can always call RG to get the uncorrected dyno numbers, but just don't really care about the dyno as much as running a good track time. My MPH with the weight of my car matches up to the dyno numbers at 125mph. But I'm losing time on the 60ft, and maybe in the shifts...I've stated before on another video of yours that my best time was an 11.500 at 124.5mph with a 1.98 60ft
@@SuperHbkforever So you're making 100hp more than me. As for why my car is that much quicker is an easy explanation in my eyes though. You are clearly making more jam than I am seeing as my best trap speed to date has been 122 and yours 125. 3mph being a huge difference. As for the ET it's like you said, all in the launch and the gear changes. My 60ft's being high 1.5's or low 1.6's are much quicker than yours. My car is launching way more effectively than yours. Then we get to the gear changes, my ZF8 auto doesn't lower the torque through my gear changes, it bangs right through the gears making it shift quicker and more effectively. Honestly though if you can get that 60ft down to even a 1.7 that is 2 tenths quicker putting you at an 11.3 instead of an 11.5.
@@VancityAudi that's a great analysis, thank you. I recently adjusted my transmission settings to reduce torque dip in between shifts and I've noticed it seems a lot faster. I'll keep working on my launches. Thanks for chatting with me! I really do like your cars. Big fan
@@SuperHbkforever I appreciate that. Good luck next time out!
So, stock tcu has amax for first 3 gears then it farts at 4th gear.
034 motorsport stage 2 tcu turns the amax shifting up until 6th gear
I have no idea if the stock TCU has AMAX for the first 3 gears. I've never tested that.
@@VancityAudi I tested it, its there. Doesn't fart for 3 gears then the 4th one it farts. Still need to try the 034 6 gear amax shifting. Haven't been able to hit up a surface where I would be able to hit 6 gears from a launch
What do you think of a race car mini cooper that weighs about 1800 lbs has 300hp to the wheel and a 72mm turbo that boosts 28 psi? Ask Elliott
Sounds slow 😉
@@VancityAudi how dare you
What is the capability of the zf8 vs the dsg with torque in mind? Witch can hold the power better.
From the testing I've done in my RS3 vs my B9 S4 I'd say they are fairly comparable, but I'd give the edge to the ZF8. I was around 630lb/ft at the wheels in the RS3 with my TTE777 hybrid turbo setup and I was still running stock clutches and I know theyll need to be upgraded moving forward. I'm already at 600lb/ft at the crank in the B9 and they haven't even flinched.
@@VancityAudi very nice 👌 thanx for the quick response.
@@VancityAudi Audi has mentioned they moved to ZF8 for better torque management. Makes sense considering there's so much torque down low as you pointed out.
Im wondering if I can get even better times out of stage 1 e85 tune if I upgrade the hpfp and run stage 1+ ie advertises a lot more power on stage 1+. Can anyone verify ?
IE does not advertise that you make additional power on the E85 Stage 1+ tune. All you get is additional torque.
Sound was fine
The sound gets quiet here and there through the video. It gets quieter and then ramps back up.
@@VancityAudi didn’t noticed it
@@cernim happy to hear that
Does your trans shift into 8th gear cruising on the highway in S mode?
I can honestly say I've never tried that! I've only cruised on the highway in Drive. Sorry!
My biggest complaint of the ZF8. Without a TCU tune, "D" is so laggy and lazy that it is pretty much dangerous to drive, esp. that at times it starts in second gear. FYI if you use cruise control in "S" the transmission will shift into S8.
Is there anywhere in Canada to get Integrated Engineering?
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If you had the Hoosier dr2 on the b8 stg 1 I bet the Passat would’ve ran a 11.6 !
You may absolutely be 100% correct with that one! Lol. Great catch! I only ran the B8 on street tires on a Stage 1 power level so that would make a big difference on track.
Why is your engine light on?
The car wasn't running. I just had the power on to light up the dash when filming that video.
yo i just put stage 1 ecu and stage 2 tcu and my rev limmiter is still under 4k? i messged IE and they havent responded yet? any ideas?
Your car hasn't reached operating temps, it's in limp mode or something isn't right.
@@VancityAudi i made sure oil temps were above 180 i wouldnt rev that high befor then so thats not it. ill have to data log it. you got back to me befor IE this is day 3 no respons from them. i appreciate your help. Thanks.
@@darrinscoilsclouds1498 I would have to imagine they are still flooded with Black Friday sale stuff, but if you don't hear back from them give them a call. I also wouldn't log the car if it has a 4k redline. I'd scan the car for codes first.
@@VancityVideography ill do that. thanks
@@VancityVideography p133600 engine, torque monitoring control limit exceeded pending not confirmed and uo 10100 lost communication with TCU. also pending not confirmed. That was it. I cleared them all in the same thing happens.
I get worse mileage on 93, you might not be hitting the skinny pedal hard enough ;-).
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Thanks for the great review! I'm curious if you are running the basic Stage 1 TCU tune that comes with the ECU tune or the upgraded Stage 2 TCU tune?
Stage 2 Race Launch for the street and Stage 2 Race Launch (Slicks Only) for the drag strip with my radials
@@VancityAudi Thank you. I was thinking of trying it out with the basic TCU tune (just street use for me) but fair to say you highly recommend the Stage 2?
@@tylerfolliott8797 I highly recommend the TCU tune regardless of what level of power
I'm getting 200 miles a tank fill up every other day 800 plus bucks a month for e85
I know. It freakin' sucks, lol
How much is e85 / L ?
Now why would you have to remind me of that? Lol. We were paying 2.09L. It'll be dropping a little shortly though.
@@VancityAudiSo roughly same as premium. Here in Ontario can only get it from barrel at 4.5-5$/L!
@@Zharsergey time to move!
Swears it’s not a dji into
Sorry?
Mpg is a poor conversation. Compare miles to dollars.
Considering the majority of the public understands mpg and not miles per dollars, I'll happily disagree with you.