PLAYERS DOWN TOOLS! Ben Foster & Goldbridge! Man Utd News
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 12. 05. 2024
- Ben Foster and Mark Goldbridge dissect yesterday's defeat to Arsenal at Old Trafford and about some players downing tools in the final games of the season with eyes set on the FA Cup Final.
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Mark looked devastated when Ben said its on Ten Haag đ
80m for Rashford? more like 80 pence at the moment.
I love it. Ben is saying without saying it that Ten Hag is not a manager of integrity and wants to do the right thing because he hasnt benched Rashford and MADE him change the way he plays. He said it, without saying it
@Kslater23
And youâre ignoring the fact that both Ben and Mark agreed something has been going on for years from higher up thatâs making it very difficult for successive managers to actually drop someone like Rashford for marketing and contract reasons.
Welcome to another edition of its not ETHS fault. Weâll talk about several issues none of which are ETH fault when my guest disagrees I will talk over him until he agrees that itâs not ETHs fault. Join us this evening when weâll be discussing several issues that are not ETHs fault
Rinse and repeat
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"Join us"
Why are you even following he's show if u don't like wat he's saying??
Why not start yo own tiny CZcams channel of minorities and label it THE TEN HEG OUT STAND???
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Funny thing is, when the team wins⊠the manager is great, when they lose⊠itâs the players fault. Fanatics
How is it not the players we've had loads of different managers and these players can play at times they just choose not to because they can't be bothered because they don't like criticism or they don't like the current manager anymore because he's called them out for not doing there job, most of these players need to be gone end of, or united will never be a good team again.
Ben sticking to his guns this week, poor Goldie!
Goldbridgeâs lack of knowledge exposed by someone whoâs REALLY âplayed the gameâ. ETH really has to go, along with a player clear out.
SHAAAAT UP YOU PRATT
I find it comical everytime Goldbridge attempts to make a point and then reference his own non-existent experience of playing or managing football. It's even more ludicrous how he manages to speak complete nonsense and then convince his bird-brained followers that what he says is actually credible.
@@DennisStrehlau607mate if you feel so strongly just donât watch it. So many other things you can do with your time.
I've plaeyed the game
â@@DennisStrehlau607what the hell are you talking about?
Foster knows as much as we do about the club.
Stop the cap. Foster knows "ball all" about anything United's internal issues. He sees what we see and that's it!
I love how without a hint of hesitation Ben just went "who's paying 80 million for rashford". Probably the only expert who keeps it real on Rashford.
Basically, everything Ben Foster says is the opposite of what Goldbridge says.
That's why they have a good dynamic. Balanced viewpoints.
@@philiq18 wrong, you now live in a world where everyone must agree with each other about everything otherwise we'll sh!t our pants and cry about it
Ralf called it plainly and got hounded by the club.
Ben: who's gone pay 80 million for Rashford
Mark: .......
Ben absolutely showed the difference between knowing what happens in a dressing room ,compared to Goldbridge who knows the square root of F-all
Nice to see Ben coming off the fence to say whats really needed and whats really happening from an ex utd players perspective! Nice to see him voicing his real opinion on the spineless streak running through the club that stinks!
After everyone else said it first⊠speak up when it matters
But then he say oh footballs changed now. So a bunch of bs. He as lost as Eth on these players đ
Best bit about this show is someone can voice a different opinion from Markâs whilst on air. Agreed with Plenty Ben had to say straight from injuries to ETH lacking the authority to stamp out some vices
You damn right but if history is observed Ole could stamp his authority, Mourinho couldnt so Ten Hag will? The guy aint covering himself with glory one bit. But at least everything thats happening now happened before, how many will realize that
If Casemiro really didnât care then he could just fake an injury to be fair. Gotta give the lad some credit for at least showing up, this team is to the bare bones
Just shut your mouth mark and let him speak , stop trying to over talk Ben to suit your on agenda , just shut your mouth
They were both talking over each other at points. Genuine question, why is it you hate yet you can't stop watching?
@@2k8Spoonhonestly weird, they both talk over each other because they are good friends and are comfortable to do so, nothing about an agenda.
@@virtual2089 telling him to shut his mouth on his own channel đ they're both just passionate and both have valid points. All these people talk about agendas but abuse Mark for having his own opinion
chill have a drink đ
@@2k8Spoon no marks entitled to
Have an opinion, but when someone else voices there and he snaps back question intelligence and what not , I donât like it especially with such a narrow neck
Love Benâs insights and realism. No sensationalism to his opinions. Mark, stop interjecting every 30 seconds, let the man speak!
Markâs âitâs not ten hagâs faultâ argument doesnât make any sense. After all it is at a coachâs discretion to drop players that underperform.
@abdyraikanimetov7628
Youâre ignoring the fact that successive managers appear extremely reluctant to drop Rashford. Which suggests that something has been going on for years from higher ups that keeps forcing manager after manager to start him for marketing and contract reasons.
Drop players for underperforming. Drop players for not being good enough. Drop players for the wrong attitude. You'll end up with only a few players from the youth squad on the pitch with only one or two members of the current first team.
He dropped sancho and looked what happened sancho didnât like it and called him a liar and now heâs at dourtmand and because theyâre in the champions league final itâs all eth fault heâs In the wrong for that he sold Ronaldo because Ronaldo thought he was bigger than the club and decided he would publicly go on tv with his great friend piers Morgan but guess what eth is wrong he canât do right he drops people and he is wrong for it and if he dosent heâs wrong for it
@@Photosoflife This has to be true. He must have something in his contract which forces every manager to start him. He's British, young, black. Looks good from a PR perspective. Unfortunately we've miles overpaid for an average footballer. Casemiro is the scapegoat when in reality it should be Rashford, McTominay, Bruno, Lindelof, Martial etc.
Mark: Well the manager can't do that...
Ben: Well he can though! It's his job to do it. Pep, Ange, Klopp would say it
Mark: ...Yeah I agree...
The desperation to defend ten hag has got to the point that mark thinks he cant even be blamed for poor coaching
@@juggu1 They're undroppable because they have no one to replace them with. If Pep doesn't like Cancelo he uses Walker, Akanji, Ake, Gvardiol, etc. We do not have that quality of replacements.
@@rykkernyberg7259doesnât matter - put a youth player in. I suspect they would even play better than Anthony lol. Youâre getting trounced anyway. Make a point to your players that you wonât accept it no matter the circumstances. Thatâs how you establish authority with big-timers.
There's a BIG difference. Those managers have the full support of the owners behind them. EtH hasn't had that. He learned that in the pre-season when they didn't get him the players he wanted. And before you mention the 400M spend, here's some context. Amrabat for e.g. was his 5th or 6th choice. Let that sink in.
@@austingane4025 That might be so in theory, but if you put a youth there and it doesn't work, you will have fans and club ownership down your neck.
Here we go! Ben Foster, the best host on United stand â€
He doesn't even host on united stand lmao, genuine question, why is it you still watch?
Ben Foster is soo much better than Mark at giving a fair opinion and assessment! Mark looked petrified as Ben was making his point on the manager needed to be better...Well done Ben! I appreciate your contribution! Mark needs to open his eyes a bit more and stop sticking with the tag line that the manager is never at fault!
Mark looked like he wanted to cry as he wasnt getting any support for his love child ten hag đđđđ
Real fans wen't there to validate him with a POLL đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
So says user-tg9vl8fr5c....another bot.
@keithclarke83 how am I a bot? đđ just cuz I use CZcams without signing In doesn't make me a bot. Maybe you should learn more about technology
Ben is literally the reason I watch this. The only voice of reason on the United stand..
I like Ben Foster..he can see what is the main problems at Manutd. He knows what he is talking.
Im so glad that Ben came out to defend Casemiro. He's had a crap season but Goldbridge has been going in on him non stop despite the guy being played out of position. HE IS NOT A CB. He should do better but Mark always gives the worst takes about him.
Exactly
@sechabatheletsane9784
@AFtraining
Casemiro is not a CB. But heâs been terrible as the DCM as well. People understand heâs not a CB but his form virtually all season has been abysmal.
@@Photosoflife I did say he 'he's had a crap season'
Don't forget he's been terrible in midfield too
Do you guys not realise he's played cb at Madrid before? It's not new to him and he's been playing like he's in Saudi for weeks
Ben Foster displays enthusiasm and commitment
Let Ben speak please
ETH has the backing of the club to do what he wants. He literally got Ronaldo, Degea and Sancho out of the club and the club backed him.
Mark doesn't have a clue. Ben is right. You can tell those players stop being selfish.
yeah and if they dont cooperate just send in the 16 year olds! that'l teach em!
Mark's love for Ten Hag is blinding him everyday.
No you can't!
There are just people who can't make a simple pass or see a pass under pressure.
You can't teach a damn pro that.
It's the same as Casemiro not being a defender, you can make him a defender by telling him how to make a tackle, even when he knows that he does not think like a defender!
Look back how many times Goldbridge has slagged Mctominay off in the past , until a footballer tells him the score
@@UnitedLoyalist If you put them in enough similar scenarios and make them learn the pattern, you can.
And Ben is right you can teach them not to be selfish. There are reports from players of Pep where he wanted them to play a certain way and if they didn't, they didn't play. Again the problem they then highlighted is, in this Man Utd team, who do you play instead?
âI used to play with shin splints and everythingâ đđđđđđđ
Goldbridge getting sat down by fozzy đȘđȘ
TenHagg told Sancho he was not training properly and he got in trouble đ
I said that as soon as he said it.
my first thought
One is still there, one is not.
EtH got burned from that rubbish. The man's playing it smart by being less transparent.
Why call out only Sancho? You think Rashford, Antony and the others are training good? Because it doesn't look like it on the pitch.
marks not happy that ben doesnât just agree with everything g he says
Mark egomaniac.đ
not true because mark is always about different opinion thats why he started united stand
Mark never puts his self in a position where he can have a debate. He would be ripped apart
â@@chibalebenaya3351That's his line, but that doesn't make it true in practice.
I think Mark genuinely believes in getting different opinions. But in practice he's so sure of his own that he doesn't tend to show much respect towards other opinions even if they're well-founded/argued ...and he has zero respect for opinions he fundamentally disagrees with. I'm sure he'd say differently, but I've watched him long enough to know there is some distance between how tolerant he thinks he is and how he actually behaves.
I'm not personally saying Mark has to respect opinions he disagrees with, because not all opinions are equally valid and worthy of respect. However the failure to do so has the obvious consequence of riling up a significant part of his viewership.
They stating their opinions, no more, no less.
Seems it affects your happiness more that someone has a different opinion to Mark simply because you have an agenda against him. Pathetic to say the least
How was that solely Casemiro's fault? Sure he could have pushed up more, but he wanted the short pass from Onana and our clumsy goalkeeper decided to play a stupid floated pass which caused the issue. Casemiro's ain't a centre back and should be given some slack like when Amrabat being forced to play left back, don't understand the grief he is getting as he is still miles ahead of anything we have in midfield.
Goldbridge drop in and out as Ben provides explanation on why Casemiro has been terrible is quite funny đ
Rashford is poisoning the dressing room.
How do you know this? You lots can be really shameless. Heâs not being playing and we ainât doing well. Like united wasnât doing well before he came through the academy.
Mount not injured, look back on the last game he played when he was substituted ETH was trying to speak with him but he just walked past him
I expect Mount to put in a transfer request. He probably thinks he ruined his career coming to our club and I don't blame him.
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 mount is an amazing player. World beater, he deserves more respect given the many trophies he has won in his career
Ben is spot on
Martial and Rashford definitely hiding behind injuries in my opinion
Facts
If it means we have this lineup for the FA cup final:
Onana
Dalot Varane Martinez Shaw
Casemiro McTominay Bruno
Rashford Martial Garnacho
Then they can rest a few games
Football doesn't work like that. Being fit is one thing. Being match fit is completely different. They need to play these last 2 games. If they don't, then they don't play in the final.
Hiding behind the status of 'Professional Footballers',too....
I half donât blame Martial he is made of glass and will have to find a new club in the summer. However considering how much we pay him he needs to pull on a shirt and deliver
Rashford isn't injured
Foster is dreaming, Ragnick got kicked out because he criticized the players and said we needed a rebuild and the cycle will only continue.
The players faking injury need to be got rid, Ineos and utd need to take the financial hit and rip up some contracts.
This peddling by 'Mark' of players 'downing tools' is a transparent attempt to deflect critical attention away from his beloved ETH. It is also flawed thinking in that it implies the team have the talent and ability to perform well and get results, but are taking a decision not to do so. In reality these players don't have an inner footballing capacity or level that can be turned on or off. The likes of Bruno, Rashford, McTominay, Rasmus (and others) have no world-class standard within them just waiting to be activated. They are, as revealed by dire performances and results across the season, over-hyped and of a mediocre standard. With a manager of similar standing.
Mark loves Ten Hag but Kambwala was a CB and did not start must be as Casemiro said he could not
Kambwala just came back from injury hence he was not started. Erik needed to ease him in to avoid him picking up an injury again in a short space after recovery
I think one big problem is up front and getting Rasmus in to the game. The attackers arenât working together at all.
Gernacho should not be a starter @ man utd next season if this club want to be serious, hojlund too we need to get toney
Imagine this lineup for the FA cup final:
Onana
Dalot Varane Martinez Shaw
Casemiro McTominay Bruno
Rashford Martial Garnacho
@@stevethuo6465clueless đ
Who is Rasmus ? John Cena?
â@@stevethuo6465you think that gambler won't be influenced by the culture?
Our standards are that low you get congratulations for showing up
Tenhag dont reward good players
That's true.
You don't know that. Youre basing that on what we the public sees.
Opinions on Rasmus wrestling Gabriel and saliba yesterday instead of playing football
Its frustration, the identity and chemistry with his other teammates, is damaging his mentality.
The only play that really looks for Rasmus is Eriksson.
Still not happy with this McTominay Slander.
Who are we going to replace him with who's going to put that kind of work in every week? He's one of our top scorers this season and if we're selling him and keeping the likes of Anthony then I'm at a loss to who manages our transfers and how smooth their brain is. IF we have a clear out and he goes, whoever will get him will get a pure work horse and someone who will perform consistently.
Yes, he's not the best but he's one of the only players we have that we know will perform a role consistently every week. I think even Fergie would keep him during a rebuild because he does a job and he just gets on with it, and you need someone like that in the squad.
Absolutely correct ! I hate the United Stand agenda against McTominay. If the other players had half his work ethic leadership and commitment to the team, United would be in the top 4 easily !
The only thing more leaky than Manchester United's defense is Old Trafford's roof.
Old Trafford is now leaking rooftrafford,i watched those videos today on social medias , it's heartbreaking, I can't believe this great club has fallen so badly đąđąđą
Sometimes you need to hit rock bottom before you can rebuild. I donât think Sir Jim will let this continue.
Ten hag needs to fix that roof đ
Inability to pass in the final third is not due to selfishness is due to a lack of quality
Nope, it's selfishness. Go look back at some of the assists from Rashford, Garnacho, and Antony, all more than capable of quality passes. They just want to be the main man like Ronaldo. They all worship Ronaldo and literally copy that persona. Shame they don't follow he's training regime.
Ben foster puts it right, it down to coaching.
We all saw Grealish at Villa he was much like rashford . At city he has to put a cross in
I've said for more than a year they need to sell almost the whole 1st team squad, bar a handful. For exactly the reason stated, you're getting rid of an infected mindset, if that infection stays, new players with the right mindset get infected.
It's all well and good saying "sell almost the whole 1st team squad" but what if 3/5 of the players that stay are the ones "infected" - then you've still that core leaking into a new squad. No one seems to have any actual knowledge or balls to say which players are the "infected" ones.
Didnt have a clie what to say when ben said eth needs to come out and say hes not doing wjat i want, marks standard response, er well er duh he'll be gone đ
this is class well done ben you have absolutely sat him down
Exactly âyou lose your jobâ this boils down to poor ownership.
I am glad Ben Foster speaks with honesty gained from experience rather than Mark talking nonsense and swearing .
thank you ben, saying things as they are and demanding for the manager to show integrity and consistency
This team is a disgrace â
They played fine
@@nihlifyif they played âfineâ how come we are 8th mate? We have 5 players good enough in the squad, Mainoo, Martinez, Hojlund, Amad, Dalot, the rest are either shite or mediocre midtable players
We are a mid table team get over it
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And fine is the problem right fine isn't enough for 300k a week.
Mark, shut up and listen to Ben.
Bruno has not down tools
Ben is right Cassimero isn't a centre back why try and give him the Maguire ,Rashford ,Mctominay treatment try Drumming up support for our players who aren't doing well
Mark is blindly supporting the coach. Its the job of the coach to ensure our wingers and midfield find Rasmus. The coach is evidently failing at this along with many other basic stuff the team doesn't do. What do this guys do in training? They get even the basics wrong and Mark is trying to blame the players when we have a coach who apparently does not do his job.
Atleast Ben Foster let's us know the process from being declared fit on game day. It's also ultimately the players will to play for the club
80 million for Rashford ?
I agree totally with Ben that these players could improve with good coaching.
Been saying this for years but no one listened until the idiots say it. What a world we live in.
I wouldn't sell Scott, Maguire and Bruno because of their mentality of loving the club.
Mark calling Mctom every chance he gets⊠until heâs with Ben⊠oh yeah yeah he still turns up i respect him. When really he scape goats him every time he plays
Heâs all about it not being player FC apart from when itâs his players he loves that suspiciously are represented by the same agencies as is the manager đ€
Speech of Ben Foster from 6:33 is all you need to know about decays in modern football.
Mourinho said the same thing.
Fabregas was constantly on pain killers injection before most of the games he played for Arsenal. The same with Cazorla, last season of RVP with us, etc.
Players now are quite lazy.
That's why the hardworking teams are always dominating football now: Real Madrid, Arsenal, Man City, Barcelona, atlético Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund, Liverpool etc.
You can teach players to be less "selfish to make a simple pass, but the level of situational and spatial awareness for high level (position based) technical offensive football isnt something you can just teach players through reputation. Most players dont have the brain an processing power to recognize, predict and anticipate those on and off the ball movements. Let alone them having the technical & handling skills to carry it out on time and accurately, under pressure and/or in tight confined spaces. Mctominay and Evans their work ethic is commendable, but neither of them would make it in any of the big Ajax and/or Barcelona teams. And at the end of the day also have to be moved on if you want to reach that higher level.
Garnacho is becoming Rashford mk2 the club need at address this asap while he still has world class potential
Couldnt hit a barn door with a shovel
I absolutely detest these players.
Lets see Goldbridge no swearing ,no sexist jokes he needs Ben more the
an Ben needs him that's for sure.
Rasmus is too young to be playing for us. The manager made a massive gamble in buying him. I dont doubt his potential but we have had potential players before who failed miserable i.e martial. If only we could have bought kane
Yeah, Rasmus is barely Seria A level player. We should loan him back to Atalanta next season.
Both of you are clueless 15 year olds. 14 goals this season in a shite Utd team. Give him a bloody break...
@@BARRzini89here comes the stat merchant. Use your eyeballs and look at the guy on the ball, poor, very poor. He never looks remotely close to scoring, at least for most games this season
Spot on about players who turn up no matter what. McGinn against Liverpool took an elbow to his ribs, tried to play on but had to stop for treatment as he was struggling to breath. Was looked at, the physios gave him the all clear and gave him some magic tablets đ no idea what they were and he came back on and finished the game despite it clearly still hurting him. Thankfully I still believe most players are like this but whats happening at United is something else. There is a core of rottenness in that squad that needs to be dug out.
Iâm glad the players have done this, makes it easier to jog them on!!
A top manager would want all of this squad gone
Try saying rashford without saying rashford đ€đ. Going off goldbridge fast.
Well said, Ben! Go hard ball on those big balls...
Mass clearout of players & a new manager , we will see what ineos are made of
Big smiles will come when Rashford, maguire, linderoff, martial, mctommiany, casimiro, amrabat, Evans, van de beek, varane, Anthony, pelistri, hannibal have left and new signing come in.....
eth needs to go with them as well, let ineos do a complete rebuild
Rashford didn't even play and you can't stop talking about him?
So 75% of the players that usually help us lose heavily will be fit enough to Play Liverpool but the young kids that made a team up against Arsenal could have ended up with a draw, I know who I would rather.
Mark describes terrible coaching⊠âitâs not a ten hag issueâ. Weâre the worst coached team in the league. Itâs horrendous
Our team hides behind injuries. Not much bald man can do about that
That's why he's a youtuber not a professional player
J to remind u we r 8th
Even so the reality is, you can't change players style of play mate, if they can't play possession football, which again we saw again yesterday that is not ten hags fault he inherited most of this squad
Funny. Everything is wrong but not anything to do with the manager. The managers only responsibility in the club is checking if there is soap in the shower. According to Mark.
You should call this show "on the couch"
Goldbridge canât accept that Casemiro is ETH mistake ffs
I would be playing the youngsters in the Cup Final, so many first team players dont deserve to be their
their what?
Dropping Luke shaw was Jose doing what you said to do and the press ruined him for it
It is Arsenal that allowed united have the possession. It was a tactic from Arteta not to go all out and risk dropping points on the counter which united can be good at. So they allowed united have the ball because they can do nothing with the possession so why risk opening up the game for united to score when they can have the ball and do nothing with it?
"British core team"? What's the suggestion here exactly? Minute 7
Hes talking about how it used to be in the prem
He almost went full Brexit
The suggestion is foreign players mostly care about their paycheck, whereas local players understand the significance that the clubs have for their respective communities. I'm a foreigner to England and I agree with that sentiment, you have a problem with that buddy?
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 english players care about their paycheck aswell
The thing with Rashford he is not told to pass, he's told to be direct. The manager doesn't want him to be a play maker.
ALL WHAT YOU SAID ARE TRUE... HOW THE PLAYERS ARE SELFISH
BUT BELIEVE ME, EtH WON'T SEE YOUR VIEWS COS HES ALSO SELFISH WITH HIS SELECTION
EXPECT AMRABAT AND AMAD NOT STARTING NEXT GAME
When you are told that no-ones job is safe, you get one of two reactions. The lovers will fight for their position. The non-carers go sick & don't bother.
Players need to understand that passing is essential and crosses need to be accurate.
Fergie told his players if they don't pass to Van Persie, they'll be out of the team.
Itâs never ETH fault. Mark fucking loves him man wtf
Mctominay is Literaly the 1 player that gives a toss & mark wants him home. Thank fuck heâs not manager.
That doesn't mean he's good enough
I'd still have him as a squad player!đ€šđč
@@mickfoskett6629 and that's why we'll stay average at best
â@@spacedoge6540..I agree with you but I feel until we can get better players in the club I would have him on the bench,he's one of the few that plays for the badge but like you say he goes as soon as we get better players in!đč
ETH has got to be blamed as well as some players. His strategies and so called process is crap. Yes he has had injuries but he still hasn't got a clue. Rashford is not wanted on the pitch as far as a lot of fans think. But we are still crap. Not easy to watch.
I wonder what would have happened if we put McTominay at center half and put Casimero back in the midfield?
Wow spot on Foster