Apparently the running water thing ties back to a weakness vampires have in folklore due to running water being seen as clean/sacred and they are considered evil and corrupt. So, technically the Scarlets can take a bath and swim in a pool but showers and things like lakes or the ocean would hurt them.
Water is viewed highly upon mainly within Western European cultures like in France and such, hence the existence of things such as Holy Water in the Catholic Church
I think the reason why EoSD is most famous is because of the well known western_styled demon's and songs make this game special,such as remilia and flandre are the only girls except from alice that are from a western country(they are french,they eat human meat pastries,the title of Meiling's theme(shanghai alice of meiji 17)is about the time that French/sino war ended,the name(flandre)is a term that french used to call dutch people from Belgium, french empire conquered there in old times and....)also this game introduces many unique charecters in touhou or species,such as vampires and fairies(cirno)also there is time stoping maid.also the songs from this game look similar to KG(seihou)themes and seihou has some great themes(just listen to Vivit theme from kioh gyoko) Also don't forget the IOSYS and memes that make this game famous.like i think UN Owen was her is one of the well known songs from youtube.
Well, I mean I would disagree that the western influence makes it unique, since western influence makes up most of the PC-98 era. Makai is an analogue for the Judeo-Christian hell and many of the characters are either inspired or lifted directly from European mythology. Vampires, devils, fairies, and maids are all also really common in PC-98, along with angels and possibly Lucifer himself (Shinki). But I would agree that IOSYS definitely had a lot to do with it.
@@MegaFrog yeah,in PC_98had MANY many references of western folktales,such as existence of sariel,elis,kurumi,ellen,kana,sara,lousie,alice,yumeko and shinki are all west influence in touhou project In term of lucifer,shinki indeed is reference to a megamei tensei game.shinki is based of lucifer and her background in that game is HRTP fallen temple background.there was also a maid named(haoun)she is yumeko with Ellen traits.
I've always interpreted the existence of "western youkai" as the japanese name for the same thing. Just as fantasy went into decline in Japan with scientific understanding, the same happened to the western monsters, goblins, trolls and the like. Which is also why I was crushed when I learned Seihou was sci-fi and not literally just Touhou but in the west. Why has no one still made that?! I WANT TO SEE A CUTE NUCKELAVEE DAMN IT!! In all seriousness, from my understanding there is nothing in Touhou lore that says there can't be another land of fantasy
This is true and also canon! The residents of Gensokyo use the word "youkai" the same way that we might use the word "monster". In WaHH, Yukari fetches some western youkai to bring to Gensokyo, and the youkai in question is a hobgoblin! So yes, it is canon that every region of the world has its own types of magical creatures.
If I may give my own personal insight as to I think a big reason why EoSD is as popular as it is, aside from the obvious legacy, is because the story and characters are very simple and straightforward like the game itself: Remilia lit up the sky with mist, so Reimu and Marisa need to go stop that. It's about as basic as a Saturday morning cartoon episode and I think people find it appealing for that exact reason, despite it not being as connected or as complex as say what goes down in MoF and onwards. I also think the characters being very simplistic adds to that, because you get the run down on their character very easily: Patchouli is lethargic, Sakuya's very dedicated to her job, and Remilia, despite having this air of elegance to her, is also kind of a bonehead. I assume them being connected to one another through the mansion adds an extra sense of fun for people, since they all know and live with each other. Rumia and Cirno are the only exceptions, though Rumia does a decent enough job giving you an idea how random youkais will show up during the journey while Cirno is, well, Cirno, it's kinda hard to think about her without considering all of her later appearances. So, if you like a basic plot with simple, but cool looking characters (on a general level with their designs, the actual quality of the art is a different story, of course), you'll probably really like it. If you're looking for something with more to offer, then it won't do much for you. I think that what makes EoSD clicks with a lot of people, despite the overly simplistic nature of it. I think you explained why the gameplay clicks with people better than I could, but if I may also add something kinda superfluous and much more of a personal thing, so I can only speak for myself when it comes to it, but I really like the way EoSD's HUD looks. The enemy's health bar having a big number on top of the screen and the stars sticking out against a very plain background more makes it easier for me to keep track of things, even if my eyes are usually looking at my character's hitbox and the bullets surrounding them. It's not as pretty looking as say 12's or 15's (the latter being one of my favorites, love the colors that were used!), but I think it gets the job done fairly well in its own right. I also thought the quick tidbit about Flandre and the possible connections to autism was really fascinating. Considering how ZUN wanted to go about Okina and representing disabilities, I think it adds to the possibility of her being on the spectrum and it provides an interesting aspect to a character I always wanted to see get expanded more, which thankfully recent material has been doing and I'm very grateful for, since she always felt like a bit of a footnote to the game's story to me. Plus, if I recall correctly, there was a line from Reimu where she remarks about Flandre being special needs during the encounter in the extra stage, which I always chalked it up to Reimu being Reimu, but maybe that was always intended to be small nod to the idea? Who knows for sure. Apologies for the lengthy comment, I just thought this was interesting to talk about! The video was fun and I actually really liked your thoughts on why people like 6's gameplay, despite the flaws it has and what later games would improve upon. I look forward to seeing what else you upload in the future and checking out what you've posted before!
I haven't forgotten how brutal Remilia was when she first entered Gensokyo, everyone talks about the Red Mist incident but most people tend to overlook it (IMO) and frankly speaking, I always thought it was an interesting bit of lore. Also I can't believe I've been pronouncing Flandre's name wrong the entire time, I've been calling her "Flon Dray" this entire time, guess I'm still not good at pronouncing the characters' names. Happy EoSDay!
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My personal pronunciation of Flandre is Flan-druh (rolling the R because French). I'm basing the pronunciation off of French words that have -re at the end (like être for example) and what I can remember from my French classes. That's all I have to say about that. Good video.
As a newcomer to the setting one thing I am missing is how reliant devils are in faith in the setting. Like, most legitimate youkai and gods rely completely on faith to not completely cease existing or return to a silent state respectively. But then there's Oni that technically ain't yokai and fairies and demons and devils, all of whom I never found a specification for in terms of how they get affected by faith being/not being present. I assumed that similar rules that apply to yokai applied to them since magic overall is dependent on belief in the setting but Remilia nearly going genocide implies she'd be fine without any of it around. And now I am sitting here being confused about how the whole system affects anything that is kinda yokai but isn't.
It's very complicated, because ZUN as a writer does not constrain himself to any rules, either his own or others'. We know for certain that all gods rely on faith to exist. We also know that people have to believe in youkai for them to exist, but that doesn't have to be faith, it could also be through fear. So one could argue that Remilia causing acts of terror against the people of Gensokyo is a viable way for her to sustain belief. However, some fairies don't seem to follow this rule. Fairies are classed as youkai, but they rely on nature to exist, not humans. Oni still exist despite the fact that most humans do not know about them. Phantoms are also a kind of youkai, but they are the spawn of spiritual power in the same way that fairies are the spawn of nature. The reason the "system" seems inconsistent is that it is not a system at all. ZUN is very much an author in the moment, and he writes whatever he feels is best in a work. And that's a feature, not a bug. Touhou as a series is very mystical and difficult to understand because it is intended to be open for discussion and interpretation by the fans. Any 'rule' or 'law' within Touhou's worldbuilding is just a suggestion, and ZUN may choose to follow it or ignore it at any time.
Touhou 6 is still THE Touhou "story" for anyone who's aware of Touhou but isn't a super fan. For the mass audience the popular image of Touhou is Reimu and Marisa taking off to fight the Scarlet sisters and their household staff, even if in the actual canon the Scarlet Devil Mansion has been a friend of Gensokyo way longer than it's been an enemy.
It's kind of ironic that, despite my dislike of Foul Detective Satori, the interactions between Sakuya and Flandre are some of my favourite scenes from the SDM crew
Technically speaking, this is the most "correct" way to say it, because it's how the name is localized in Japanese. But if we want to use the root name like we do for Alice or Remilia, it gets more complex.
where does in cannon say that the vampire incident cause Human Casualties???, also, Demon by origin are above devils, hell A fallen angel of death is the final boss of the very first touhou game, and a Dream Demon (fallen) is the second Extra Stage boss of Lotus Land Story .
To be honest I kinda always wanted to be a vampire mostly because I had people that I had some grudges against certain individuals in my life from middle school up until my late high school years aka I wanted to hypnotize those certain individuals I had a grudge against at one point or another.😅👍🏻
Woo boy it's time for my fav bloodthirsty, sparkling wings mistresses! Kinda half joking there bc I don't like the EoSD cast as much but hey, it's EoSDay so they deserve the praise (also Flandre's kinda grown on me as a character more since Touhou 17.5 so yey & her name was pronounce like that?) Also also, about Touhou 6, I honestly just see it as a stepping stone for the Windows Touhou era, sorta like the beginning of a long running series, it was rough around the edges but the later installments gets good afterwards basically. I can see why many people like EoSD & brought a huge success to it despite not being the best Touhou game. Tl, dr: I didn't knew that Flandre pronunciation exist till now & neat game.
Zun's comment on Flandre's last spell card (Q.E.D. "Ripples of 495 Years"): "The pent-up frustrations of 495 years' worth of imprisonment. The final attack always is the hardest. This is a final attack. Q.E.D." Zun pretty much confirmed with that comment that Flandre was being imprisoned, but Flandre also states she can leave anytime she wants. I think she self isolates herself on purpose because she is aware just how dangerous and risky her own ability is to other people.
that spell card comment is an unofficial fanwork, the first game to do spell card comments that i know was spell practice in imperishable night. this is a paragraph from the wiki article you're referencing "Every enemy Spell Card in the game has been cataloged in this list. Each one contains a screenshot, the name in both English and Japanese, where you will see it, and a few unofficial comments from our writers." hope to have cleared up some confusion!
Oh damn, my mistake, thanks for the information, I tried checking the wiki again and for some reason I only see "Every enemy Spell Card in the game has been cataloged in this list. Each one contains a screenshot, the name in both English and Japanese, and where you will see it." Do you know where it states they're unofficial?
I think EoSD suffers a bit of the Ocarina of Time syndrome. Sure, the game created a great core for 3D Zeldas to follow, but it began to show it's age as soon the Majora's Mask came out, but still, Ocarina is the most beloved darling since that is where most players start. Same can be said to PCB in comparison to EoSD. Veterans of Touhou begin to redeem EoSD less highly the more games they play because they begin recognize how vanilla EoSD feels to come back to compared to all the games that followed it. It is still a very solid game, but I do think the games that followed it need a bit more of that love.
I never understood why vampires are called devils. Aren't they undead? I guess this might change with tradition, but the most famous vampire is a human who embraced dark powers. Wouldn't that make him a witch?
The confusion mostly comes from the localisation of western monsters into eastern media. There is no word for vampire in Japanese, so instead they are either called "kyuuketsuki" (blood-sucking oni) or, more broadly, "Akuma" (a broad term for Japanese demons). In Touhou, vampires and magicians are closely related to demons, but to distinguish them as western creatures, they are not called "demons" (mamano), they are called akuma. Since mamano and akuma would mean the same thing in English, akuma is more often translated as "devil" (e.g. Devilman, whose intro theme says he has the power of an akuma). TL:DR Touhou vampires aren't undead, they're demons, but specifically western demons called "devils".
While Touhou 6 certainly isn't my favorite Touhou game, I still like it quite a lot, it''s my first (and only) 1cc and what got me into Touhou like many others. When one of the songs from the soundtrack plays it just immediately triggers my memories of playing it for the first time.
Honestly I agree that EoSD is super overrated, though I do agree that I love a Touhou game just being itself and not the preachy "technology bad, religion good" messages the newer games have.
Apparently the running water thing ties back to a weakness vampires have in folklore due to running water being seen as clean/sacred and they are considered evil and corrupt. So, technically the Scarlets can take a bath and swim in a pool but showers and things like lakes or the ocean would hurt them.
Its the chlorine in the water! It makes it evil!
Well that's the most likes I've ever gotten. Apparently random knowledge of folklore does pay off. Maybe I can get a job at the SDM. Thanks everybody.
Water is viewed highly upon mainly within Western European cultures like in France and such, hence the existence of things such as Holy Water in the Catholic Church
I think the reason why EoSD is most famous is because of the well known western_styled demon's and songs make this game special,such as remilia and flandre are the only girls except from alice that are from a western country(they are french,they eat human meat pastries,the title of Meiling's theme(shanghai alice of meiji 17)is about the time that French/sino war ended,the name(flandre)is a term that french used to call dutch people from Belgium, french empire conquered there in old times and....)also this game introduces many unique charecters in touhou or species,such as vampires and fairies(cirno)also there is time stoping maid.also the songs from this game look similar to KG(seihou)themes and seihou has some great themes(just listen to Vivit theme from kioh gyoko)
Also don't forget the IOSYS and memes that make this game famous.like i think UN Owen was her is one of the well known songs from youtube.
Happy EoSDay everyone
Well, I mean I would disagree that the western influence makes it unique, since western influence makes up most of the PC-98 era. Makai is an analogue for the Judeo-Christian hell and many of the characters are either inspired or lifted directly from European mythology. Vampires, devils, fairies, and maids are all also really common in PC-98, along with angels and possibly Lucifer himself (Shinki).
But I would agree that IOSYS definitely had a lot to do with it.
@@MegaFrog yeah,in PC_98had MANY many references of western folktales,such as existence of sariel,elis,kurumi,ellen,kana,sara,lousie,alice,yumeko and shinki are all west influence in touhou project
In term of lucifer,shinki indeed is reference to a megamei tensei game.shinki is based of lucifer and her background in that game is HRTP fallen temple background.there was also a maid named(haoun)she is yumeko with Ellen traits.
I've always interpreted the existence of "western youkai" as the japanese name for the same thing. Just as fantasy went into decline in Japan with scientific understanding, the same happened to the western monsters, goblins, trolls and the like.
Which is also why I was crushed when I learned Seihou was sci-fi and not literally just Touhou but in the west. Why has no one still made that?! I WANT TO SEE A CUTE NUCKELAVEE DAMN IT!! In all seriousness, from my understanding there is nothing in Touhou lore that says there can't be another land of fantasy
This is true and also canon! The residents of Gensokyo use the word "youkai" the same way that we might use the word "monster". In WaHH, Yukari fetches some western youkai to bring to Gensokyo, and the youkai in question is a hobgoblin! So yes, it is canon that every region of the world has its own types of magical creatures.
If I may give my own personal insight as to I think a big reason why EoSD is as popular as it is, aside from the obvious legacy, is because the story and characters are very simple and straightforward like the game itself: Remilia lit up the sky with mist, so Reimu and Marisa need to go stop that. It's about as basic as a Saturday morning cartoon episode and I think people find it appealing for that exact reason, despite it not being as connected or as complex as say what goes down in MoF and onwards.
I also think the characters being very simplistic adds to that, because you get the run down on their character very easily: Patchouli is lethargic, Sakuya's very dedicated to her job, and Remilia, despite having this air of elegance to her, is also kind of a bonehead. I assume them being connected to one another through the mansion adds an extra sense of fun for people, since they all know and live with each other. Rumia and Cirno are the only exceptions, though Rumia does a decent enough job giving you an idea how random youkais will show up during the journey while Cirno is, well, Cirno, it's kinda hard to think about her without considering all of her later appearances.
So, if you like a basic plot with simple, but cool looking characters (on a general level with their designs, the actual quality of the art is a different story, of course), you'll probably really like it. If you're looking for something with more to offer, then it won't do much for you. I think that what makes EoSD clicks with a lot of people, despite the overly simplistic nature of it.
I think you explained why the gameplay clicks with people better than I could, but if I may also add something kinda superfluous and much more of a personal thing, so I can only speak for myself when it comes to it, but I really like the way EoSD's HUD looks. The enemy's health bar having a big number on top of the screen and the stars sticking out against a very plain background more makes it easier for me to keep track of things, even if my eyes are usually looking at my character's hitbox and the bullets surrounding them. It's not as pretty looking as say 12's or 15's (the latter being one of my favorites, love the colors that were used!), but I think it gets the job done fairly well in its own right.
I also thought the quick tidbit about Flandre and the possible connections to autism was really fascinating. Considering how ZUN wanted to go about Okina and representing disabilities, I think it adds to the possibility of her being on the spectrum and it provides an interesting aspect to a character I always wanted to see get expanded more, which thankfully recent material has been doing and I'm very grateful for, since she always felt like a bit of a footnote to the game's story to me. Plus, if I recall correctly, there was a line from Reimu where she remarks about Flandre being special needs during the encounter in the extra stage, which I always chalked it up to Reimu being Reimu, but maybe that was always intended to be small nod to the idea? Who knows for sure.
Apologies for the lengthy comment, I just thought this was interesting to talk about! The video was fun and I actually really liked your thoughts on why people like 6's gameplay, despite the flaws it has and what later games would improve upon. I look forward to seeing what else you upload in the future and checking out what you've posted before!
Clean video as usual, I loved the comfy heart to heart-esque at the end.
I haven't forgotten how brutal Remilia was when she first entered Gensokyo, everyone talks about the Red Mist incident but most people tend to overlook it (IMO) and frankly speaking, I always thought it was an interesting bit of lore. Also I can't believe I've been pronouncing Flandre's name wrong the entire time, I've been calling her "Flon Dray" this entire time, guess I'm still not good at pronouncing the characters' names. Happy EoSDay!
Ah, guess my prediction was wrong huh. Well, it makes sense in hindsight, especially since it came out in EoSDay.
Imagine needing faith/fear to exist.
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Imagine existing
CZcamsrs, politicians, priests, coaches and speculators...
LMAO
Couldn't be us 😎
My personal pronunciation of Flandre is Flan-druh (rolling the R because French). I'm basing the pronunciation off of French words that have -re at the end (like être for example) and what I can remember from my French classes. That's all I have to say about that. Good video.
As a newcomer to the setting one thing I am missing is how reliant devils are in faith in the setting.
Like, most legitimate youkai and gods rely completely on faith to not completely cease existing or return to a silent state respectively.
But then there's Oni that technically ain't yokai and fairies and demons and devils, all of whom I never found a specification for in terms of how they get affected by faith being/not being present.
I assumed that similar rules that apply to yokai applied to them since magic overall is dependent on belief in the setting but Remilia nearly going genocide implies she'd be fine without any of it around.
And now I am sitting here being confused about how the whole system affects anything that is kinda yokai but isn't.
It's very complicated, because ZUN as a writer does not constrain himself to any rules, either his own or others'. We know for certain that all gods rely on faith to exist. We also know that people have to believe in youkai for them to exist, but that doesn't have to be faith, it could also be through fear. So one could argue that Remilia causing acts of terror against the people of Gensokyo is a viable way for her to sustain belief.
However, some fairies don't seem to follow this rule. Fairies are classed as youkai, but they rely on nature to exist, not humans. Oni still exist despite the fact that most humans do not know about them. Phantoms are also a kind of youkai, but they are the spawn of spiritual power in the same way that fairies are the spawn of nature.
The reason the "system" seems inconsistent is that it is not a system at all. ZUN is very much an author in the moment, and he writes whatever he feels is best in a work. And that's a feature, not a bug. Touhou as a series is very mystical and difficult to understand because it is intended to be open for discussion and interpretation by the fans. Any 'rule' or 'law' within Touhou's worldbuilding is just a suggestion, and ZUN may choose to follow it or ignore it at any time.
Very interesting devil's documentary
btw Happy Birthday to all the Eosd characters
Touhou 6 is still THE Touhou "story" for anyone who's aware of Touhou but isn't a super fan. For the mass audience the popular image of Touhou is Reimu and Marisa taking off to fight the Scarlet sisters and their household staff, even if in the actual canon the Scarlet Devil Mansion has been a friend of Gensokyo way longer than it's been an enemy.
happy EoSDay everyone
It's kind of ironic that, despite my dislike of Foul Detective Satori, the interactions between Sakuya and Flandre are some of my favourite scenes from the SDM crew
yoo I've been waiting for this!
I'm still gonna go with Furandooru...
Technically speaking, this is the most "correct" way to say it, because it's how the name is localized in Japanese. But if we want to use the root name like we do for Alice or Remilia, it gets more complex.
where does in cannon say that the vampire incident cause Human Casualties???, also, Demon by origin are above devils, hell A fallen angel of death is the final boss of the very first touhou game, and a Dream Demon (fallen) is the second Extra Stage boss of Lotus Land Story .
To be honest I kinda always wanted to be a vampire mostly because I had people that I had some grudges against certain individuals in my life from middle school up until my late high school years aka I wanted to hypnotize those certain individuals I had a grudge against at one point or another.😅👍🏻
great video
Woo boy it's time for my fav bloodthirsty, sparkling wings mistresses!
Kinda half joking there bc I don't like the EoSD cast as much but hey, it's EoSDay so they deserve the praise (also Flandre's kinda grown on me as a character more since Touhou 17.5 so yey & her name was pronounce like that?)
Also also, about Touhou 6, I honestly just see it as a stepping stone for the Windows Touhou era, sorta like the beginning of a long running series, it was rough around the edges but the later installments gets good afterwards basically. I can see why many people like EoSD & brought a huge success to it despite not being the best Touhou game.
Tl, dr: I didn't knew that Flandre pronunciation exist till now & neat game.
Flandre is named after a part of Belgium that was historically a part of France. So Flan..Der with a French accent I guess?
Zun's comment on Flandre's last spell card (Q.E.D. "Ripples of 495 Years"): "The pent-up frustrations of 495 years' worth of imprisonment. The final attack always is the hardest. This is a final attack. Q.E.D."
Zun pretty much confirmed with that comment that Flandre was being imprisoned, but Flandre also states she can leave anytime she wants. I think she self isolates herself on purpose because she is aware just how dangerous and risky her own ability is to other people.
that spell card comment is an unofficial fanwork, the first game to do spell card comments that i know was spell practice in imperishable night.
this is a paragraph from the wiki article you're referencing
"Every enemy Spell Card in the game has been cataloged in this list. Each one contains a screenshot, the name in both English and Japanese, where you will see it, and a few unofficial comments from our writers."
hope to have cleared up some confusion!
Oh damn, my mistake, thanks for the information, I tried checking the wiki again and for some reason I only see
"Every enemy Spell Card in the game has been cataloged in this list. Each one contains a screenshot, the name in both English and Japanese, and where you will see it."
Do you know where it states they're unofficial?
I think EoSD suffers a bit of the Ocarina of Time syndrome. Sure, the game created a great core for 3D Zeldas to follow, but it began to show it's age as soon the Majora's Mask came out, but still, Ocarina is the most beloved darling since that is where most players start. Same can be said to PCB in comparison to EoSD.
Veterans of Touhou begin to redeem EoSD less highly the more games they play because they begin recognize how vanilla EoSD feels to come back to compared to all the games that followed it. It is still a very solid game, but I do think the games that followed it need a bit more of that love.
0:30 ah yes, quite diverse
I never understood why vampires are called devils. Aren't they undead?
I guess this might change with tradition, but the most famous vampire is a human who embraced dark powers. Wouldn't that make him a witch?
The confusion mostly comes from the localisation of western monsters into eastern media. There is no word for vampire in Japanese, so instead they are either called "kyuuketsuki" (blood-sucking oni) or, more broadly, "Akuma" (a broad term for Japanese demons). In Touhou, vampires and magicians are closely related to demons, but to distinguish them as western creatures, they are not called "demons" (mamano), they are called akuma. Since mamano and akuma would mean the same thing in English, akuma is more often translated as "devil" (e.g. Devilman, whose intro theme says he has the power of an akuma).
TL:DR Touhou vampires aren't undead, they're demons, but specifically western demons called "devils".
While Touhou 6 certainly isn't my favorite Touhou game, I still like it quite a lot, it''s my first (and only) 1cc and what got me into Touhou like many others. When one of the songs from the soundtrack plays it just immediately triggers my memories of playing it for the first time.
Me end Flandre are both autistic hihihi
Eh, I'll keep say Flan-dray
...wait... what about koakuma?
isnt her name literally "lesser devil" or something?
There are a few devils I did not mention in this video simply for time.
Is fan name
Honestly I agree that EoSD is super overrated, though I do agree that I love a Touhou game just being itself and not the preachy "technology bad, religion good" messages the newer games have.
Play Chess 2
0:30 script error.
Yea oops, if you check the captions though it has the correct line.
@@MegaFrog I know the subtitles are correct, but that mistake was... I have no idea how to say this in a nice way.
Go on, tell the class what you have to say mr Fumo.