DPReview TV: Sony a6100, a6600, 16-55mm F2.8 and 70-350mm F4.5-6.3 First Thoughts
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- Join Chris Niccolls and Richard Butler for another in our ongoing 'hotel room' series of shorts, straight from the mini-bar. They share their first thoughts on Sony's new a6100 and a6600 cameras as well as the new 16-55mm F2.8 and 70-350mm F4.5-6.3 APS-C lenses.
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I'm so glad with DPReview's honest review on a6600. Other youtubers are just giving this camera tons of credits for unsurprising updates .
PSA: you can get a Fuji XH1 with the 16-55mm 2.8 AND the battery grip for 1.7k right now. If you're gonna go APS-C, go Fuji. If you're gonna go Sony, go full-frame.
Yeah save the money, get a bigger (bulkier) camera with a bigger lens alternativ and batterylife that's not as good even with two batteries at once. Oh and worse AF.
@@K9-XArn 🔥 ruined. ☠
I'm a Fuji boy, but goddamn. 🙌
Unfortunately, the AF and stability of the camera is nowhere near any of these Sonys.
Continuous AF in video is a little more consistant on sonys by default. If set up for scene on xh1 it's about the same. In photos AF is same. For photos xh1, has better shutter, significantly better tougher sealed build, more than any song full or apsc. Most importantly has more complete lineup of lenses. The IBIS on the xh1 is better than the Sony e mounts, but not as good as 4/3 Ibis. If battery life, flippy screen, face tracking in video, and lightness is your priority prob 6400. If lens selection, robustness, quiet shutter, better Ibis is your priority and you can live with weight, xh1. You pretty much need the battery grip on the xh1 for any extended video shooting though, it's pretty much a pro body, but most people are not pros.
@@jonuiuc Fuji has never caught up to Sony in AF. They might have come close to the A6300/A6500 generation with the X-T3, but the A6100/A6400/A6600 generation is on a completely different level, using the same AF algorithms as the A9. This also extends to video, where Eye AF is a part of Real Time AF Tracking. Just point the focus area at a subject, and the camera will handle all of the focus mode switching for you in an incredibly accurate way.
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Sony A6600 + Sony 16-55mm 2.8 = $2800 OR Sony A7III + Tamron 28-75mm 2.8 = $2800 - now that is the question...
A7iii definitely. Sensor's so much better. Fullframe f2.8 produces nicer bokeh than APSC's f2.8 too.
IQ will be screamingly better in the A7iii combo. The only advantage in A6600 combo is AF.
Excellent point!
Yeah, I guess if they added AI real-time focusing into A7III firmware there would be little to no point of choosing 6600. Does anyone know if Sony is actually planning to do so?
Exactly my thoughts. Sony full frame is not that expensive to get in and the lenses are, not counting the G Master series, about the same price if you stay out of the very cheap entry lineup.
The price level of the A6100 still makes some sense, but the A6600 and the A6500 before that are just too expensive.
If it is all the same, I would go for full-frame. And for APS-C, the Fujis have a good lens selection and you gotta love 'em for their looks.
Love you! Ask the key questions, be honest to express what users thoughts and wants. Excellent job! We need more people like you and Jordan!
No improvement in sensor tech, no 4K60p, no increment on video bitrate and bits, no articulate LCD, with a high price tag. Unacceptable.
AND.....no ND filter, no built-in flash, no dual card slot, and ridiculous price tags for the lenses - double unacceptable!
Chris does seem to struggle to hold on to his water recently...
No water retention.
Jan-Hendrik Bussmann it’s been a big week 😏
that's why they invented Depends
It all goes to hell after 40..
@Danny Chau I do not agree to that (you are of course entitled to your opinion, do not get me wrong!).
Yes, Chris' and Jordans videos have reached a level of professionalism and humour that is unmatched (the S1H video was hillarious!).
But I still think that there is a place for quickly delivered content like this as a preview and for me, this video was interesting.
I think the most significant takeaway from this event/release......is that Sony wants us to go full frame.
I have loved my a6000 for the past two years, and only recently has it become be a secondary camera to my A7iii.
The idea that at some point I can get an a6100, and get my beloved travel/B camera again with new software and technology is very exciting.
1:02 That's unbelievable. A flagship camera model with no front dial.
Welcome to Sony APS-C, where the children are red-headed step children and the card slots are UHS-1.
@@HappyHubris I don't understand why they insist on keeping the body so small that they can only fit a 16:9 screen on the back either. It makes no sense, especially on the flagship model. They need to make it slightly taller and put a 3:2 screen on the back and also add a front dial. Those two things would greatly improve the handling and operation.
@@ThePhotographyHobbyist I really like the small body to fit in my tiny travel bag. But even that small body has room for a joystick and front dial!
It's an aps-c system. They're beginner cameras. The flagship is full frame.
@@HappyHubris I like a joystick as well, but since the real time tracking is so good, I could live without it on the a6400. I'm only using the a6400 as a second/backup/occasional use camera. Z7 is my primary camera and I'm absolutely in love with the Z7 and the body it has (and the EVF). I've NEVER had a better mirrorless experience in my life...and I've had quite a few mirrorless cameras (unfortunately). Check my web site and you'll see ;-) I'm hoping to finally be content with what I have (Z7 I certainly am). There's always a chance my 'second' camera could change.
Ahhh I love reading the comments.. as a very amateur "photographer" when I saw the specs on the a6600 I thought "and THAT's the replacement of my a6000", thanks people for pointing out all the shortcomings of this model
Ok sony makes very good product but why should i buy an a6600+15-55 f.2.8 for 3000 when at the same price i can take the a7iii+tamron 28-75 f.2.8?
@They Caged Non yea, but the problem is that for sony apsc doesn't exist f.2.8 3rd part lenses
@They Caged Non if you want at the same price there is the a7iii plus 18-105 f.4 SONY
@@davidecastagno3607 but you can still buy the tampon 17-28 2.8 for example.
@@ThomasCristofoletti are you stupid or what?
Or Fuji XT-3 with their overpriced 16-55 f/2.8.
How can I get a replacement lens hood for the 1655G? I live in Toronto
Richard Buttler at end on video said A7iii does not have real time eye AF, I thought that a7iii does now with the 3.0 update. Can someone help answer this.
Thank you for calling out the UHS-1 slot, lack of joystick, and missing dial. Crazy!
Don't forget the rear screen less than 1mpx....a joke of 3 inches...
@@actionphotopassion5082 I don't mind that, to be honest. I work mostly with my EVF.
@@HappyHubris well hope you'd go for the A6600 in that case because the old 1.44mpx is too low in quality. And I'd say that for 2020 the 2.4mpx oled evf is the minimum.
@@actionphotopassion5082 I'm comfortable with the A6400's EVF. The 1.44M dots on my RX100iii isn't fantastic, but I accept that comprise given the price.
Yeah, not putting a joystick was a lame move.
Chris Niccolls seems to be a reliable guy; he goes right down to the essentials, without getting carried away by fancy and useless stuff. PROOF: he's one of the very few v loggers that drink water from a glass. He doesn't need a thermal insulated can. So do I use a simple glass. Well, when drinking a gorgeous red wine, I take old high class crystal glasses from 19th century (that stayed in the family), but it looks like simple glass. So does Chris. Congratulations to him. Please don't change nor your style, nor your class.
Love the spit take always a crowd pleaser! Looking forward to seeing more about these on your channel. Cheers.
Sony have been doing the same thing since beginning. RX series, a6000, a7 series all same body with minor improvements. Usually for two sometimes three generations same sensor with new updates to other internal components like processing and software. And technology that makes first debut in high end a9 than trickles down the whole line up to compact cameras. This is what gives them ability to mass produce over few generations same body and sensor and cut costs, since the more units they produce the less it cost them per unit. And they make more profit. At the same time they have not only presence in APS-C but the whole range of cameras and accessories. On top of that they make money no matter who sells cameras, except canon since they make sensors and now that new 5.7M dots EVF for everyone. The a6000 cameras still sell well so this seems like a great way to save on cost of production and still make good money in shrinking camera market. If you look at the history of their strategy this is not new, its what they have been doing since the beginning. It brought them up to this point so I expect they will just keep doing it.
I have a Sony DSC-P73 point and shoot camera made in 2004. Was this episode shot on one of those?
Thank you for Rolling Shutter test!
Great review, looking for a versatile lens like this for travel! Do you think this lens is worth it when paired with a Sony a6100 (no IBIS) for solely photography?
The last thing you mentioned makes sense. Sony has the lead in AF and tracking technology now. So they’re implementing it across their entire ranges of cameras ASAP, updating most models.
The A6100 feels like a much needed update to have it up with the rest in terms of colour science, video capabilities and focussing.
People are eager for that A7SIII, certainly in light of what Panasonic is developing. But Sony is claiming their King of AF title in the market first to get a strong foothold for all types of consumers. Pro video people will have to be a little more patient.
Sony's af is so much worse than what Nikon DSLRs have. It's not even close.
Literally all they have to do at this point is add 10-bit video and a full sized HDMI port to their a7 line of cameras and they're competitive again. If they're worried about protecting their FS5/FS7, the selling points on those should perhaps be better codecs, I/O ports, and ergonomics.
Pro video people? They have better choice, if they are not AF users. Pocket 4K has way better IQ than any A series cameras, inclusive A7 series.
@@youknowwho9247 Unless it's video AF in which case it's not focus and 720p all the way lol
I'm interested in buying a camera with all the same features as a a6600 but below $1000, any recommendations? (Not including a6400 because I want IBIS)
I still feel like they miss a real flagship aps-c. A better sensor, EVF, UHS-2 40k 60 etc. I hope they put out another a6700 soon next year.
Indeed. This is the space I've been watching. But so far every manufacturer is giving us 80-90% of what we want but never 100%
@@CaptainJonathan Seems like they are holding back features for future releases rather than giving us a killer camera that they are capable of. I mean UHS l it's 2019 not 2015.
This camera should have bested the XT-3, but it really doesn't other than having IBIS and being a bit smaller.
………still waiting 😴
Man - I will be tempted by an A7Mk4, especially if they up the MP on it slightly. If it were around 36Mp that would be perfect!
when are we going to see something like the tamron 18-400 for sony, this lens actually works very well with my A7iii when cropped, but the autofocus doesnt work well with my A6400, at least not when using the sigma adapter. would be nice to have autofocus while in video like on A7iii
What does Jordon think of the video functionality?
Nice video. Absolutely!
I was rather surprised by the lack luster design of the a6600. The new battery and improved AF is good, but I expected them to make a true high end APSC camera. As a Fujifilm user, I was hoping Sony to push the market further, but the X-T3 still seems generally superior.
They had the opportunity to make a killer camera but didn't. Seems keeping their tooling costs down and using their excess stock of sensors and UHS 1 card slots is more important than pleasing the customer.
Has the A73 not gotten the latest Eye AF updates?
Thank you guys for your honest opinion. I’m so fed up of other Sony fan boy CZcamsrs that are saying this is the best camera to buy right now in which is not. You guys keep it real.
Hah! Love the nautical terminology "The Sun is beyond the yardarm." 🤓
So is a6600 the long rumoured a7000/6700, or will there be more stuff coming along soon? Anyone got ideas?
If nothing comes out around/right after the Olympics, there won't be anything. There's a possibility Sony might do a dual launch of A9 II/A7000 for the Olympics, but it's unknown territory for Sony, never having a true pro APS-C sports camera.
Its a disappointment, the old sensor, no tiltyflippy screen (hotshoe accessories is in the way), and why remove the front wheel, just why? And still no joystick??? So the only thing better is the AF (and the battery). Guess I´ll stay with my 6500 then.
Don't forget no more screen dimming in 4K, no overheat, better color science, and unlimited record times.
maybe there is no more room for thr front dial because of the new Z battery but dont know why they cant change the design and size more
The front wheel never existed in Sony APS-C mirrorless. At best, the rear had 2 top dials for exposure, and one rear dial a la Canon. And the old sensor is still top of the line today, as no other sensor has significantly beaten it. You don't even need a joystick anymore with Sony cameras. Real Time AF means you can just AF on your subject, and the camera will effortlessly track it everywhere across the frame. No more having to aim your focus point before focusing. And many people (including myself) aren't fond of flippy screens. They get in the way of shooting high and low, since you can't stabilize the camera with your left hand in any reasonable location when the screen is flipped out.
Will sigma 16mm and 56mm 1.4 lens take advantage of the a6100 autofocus capabilities and speed? Please check this in your review. Also can you do a side by side of the color science difference you mentioned in between the 6100 and 6000?
Yes, all AF lenses except the old Sigma 2.8 Art lenses (only OSPDAF in the middle) will. Even adapted lenses.
Folks, your audio sounds like an on board camera mic.
2 new G lens is basically Sony prepping up for an A7000 release. Hopefully.
I thought that too but the problem is their pricing. The a6600 is already too close in price to the A7iii. How do you price an a7000? Maybe $1400 for an a7000 and drop the a6600 to $1000 and then maybe a flagship sony apsc can make sense monetarily. They screwed their high end apsc line up by pricing the a7iii so low. No complaints here tho - love my a7iii lol.
@@CharlesLi1 it depends on what they give to tee A7000 really, Imagine, a mini A9 on an APS-C body, if it can be as reliable and as fast as A9 is in native glass, it may be worth it for some people over an A7iii, hands down.
It kinda make sense when you think Olympics is getting nearer, Sony would probably release an A9ii and something similar to it in APS-C body (which we all hope A7000 would gonna be) to accompany pros and enthusiasts for the event.
Absolutely love the A6600 I also really like the A6400 (I have both and use them as a two camera setup)... I generally don't shoot video - my primary use is still photography...
I like my 70-350mm OSS lens also... However, I opted for the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 lens in lieu of the 16-55mm Since I also shoot full frame... I shot for years with a 17-55mm f/2.8 IS Canon on my APSC Canon bodies. I liked it but it was not the focal range that I liked it...
This should have been a silent release like Apple does when they do a slight spec bump. Holding a press event when all you have to show is different feature mashups to meet price points inevitably creates disappointment.
Not sure why people are mad at the "different feature mashups". Do you want the intentional gimping that Canikon have made famous? Where important things, like good AF, high fps, or 4K with industry standard frame rates, are left out, reserved only for the highest end cameras? At least with Sony, you get so much of the good stuff, with the smaller things reduced (like EVF res or body materials) as you go down the line, that won't impact shooting significantly. That means all of these new cameras (A6100, A6400, A6600) perform incredibly well, regardless of price. Just some bells and whistles, and one or two expensive features have been removed from the lower end cameras to reduce cost, getting all of the actual tech down to the masses.
@@BlueBomberTurbo You must be working for Sony come clean. You are responding to almost every post here FFS.
I'm really disappointed the 16-55mm never got its own review. I recently picked up a copy, and those MTF curves were no joke!
That mini-bar looks like the hotel rooms in The James Nomad in NY.
At 7:50 they mention the AF feature being rushed into all their products, but said it hasn't yet come to the A7iii. Has it not? I thought the firmware updates meant it essentially got the real trime tracking, animal Eye AF etc some time ago.
Real Time Eye AF is there, but that doesn't include tracking. It only stops you from having to use a separate button to use Eye AF, as it will now automatically transition into it from Face Detect.
The A6600 is going to be a great all round and travel camera for me. The good iso, eye AF, good battery life, SD cards easy to buy, and I can use my old NEX5R e mount glass till I can afford better G glass.
Canon as usual left behind.....
Hopeful that the a7ii get it in a update
Theory: Sony sold Fuji sensors under an agreement that Sony wouldn't use the same sensor in competition against Fuji.
OK, put pressure on Sony for the software update to the a7M3. Thanks!
I think the same happened with the D800, as no Sony SLT ever used that 36MP sensor. Sony usually used their higher end sensors in their own cameras first, before giving them out to third parties.
We need comparison XT3 + 16-55 f2.8 with the newcomer
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the A6100 to the A6000 for photo and to the A6300 for video.
A6100 will look the same as A6400 and A6300 (same sensor in all 3) vs A6000. 1-2 stops better low ISO DR, and 1 stop better high ISO noise. A6100 will also look the same as A6400 and A6300 for video, which is miles sharper and cleaner than A6000, along with 4x more resolution. It's just missing HLG, S-Logs, and the other professional Picture Profiles from the A6300 and up.
Just the A7-3 .. and the A7S-*2* :)
so why not go for a7x + 2470 f4 and get the same depth of field with much less money? not to mention there's also 28 75 2.8 to choose from.
especially the 16 55 2.8 is not smaller than 24 70 4, at lest I can't see it from the video.
Nobody likes the IQ of the 24-70/4.
Interesting theory that Sony decided to put their AF technology in all their cameras asap. That could explain why there was no improved sensor.
I bought the a6000 when it came out and I'm a casual shooter/hobbyist. I have been waiting for awhile to upgrade and I know the 6000 is great but I am also a geek at heart so the features and specs are great to see on paper. For the past 2 to 3 weeks I have been watching tons of video on the A6400 and was deadset on that being the potential upgrade. Same great features with even better auto focused, floppy screen and a headphone jack seemed to a sure way to future proof me for some time but now I am torn. This question is for everyone as I am looking for input. Do I A) buy the a6400 as I originally plan especially since with the introduction of the a6600 I assume we may see some price drops on the 6400 especially in the used market as people look to upgrade, or B) get the 6100? Oh and what about the Xt3?
The xt-3 is generally better but also more expensive. I still feel like the a6400 will be the best sweetspot since you basically only get a bigger battery and a headphone jack with the 6600 but for an additional 400 bucks
It really depends on if you want IBIS, if the a6600 is worth the money. As an owner of an a6500, it does really help. The a6500 used to have a buffer advantage over the a6300, but iirc the a6400 and a6600 are the same (around 50, where the a6300 was 10 and the a6500 is a ridiculous 100+.) Also, if the battery life will be a big deal for you. Finally, will lacking a flash cause problems? I don't know about you, but I rarely ever used the on-camera flash with either my a6500 or NEX-6. I eventually bought some Godox units, instead.
Also of note, I'm sure the a6500 will drop in price now.
@@ziginox true I have been watching the used market and I see a6400's with kit lens for sub $700 so consider my interest peaked. I will have to look a the a6500 and see. After a few discussions the IBIS is not high on my list for my use case. I like to future proof a bit but I think the 6100 and 6400 check my wants. Better focus with more focus point/coverage. Flippy screen for occasional vloging took a vacation recently and used the Go Pro 7 black and for the 1st time understood why having access to see if you are in frame could be important. A mic jack for better audio capture with a touch screen.
@@ziginox A6300 had a 24-shot RAW buffer. Just hammered it today shooting hummingbirds. ;)
Christian Fiore Ah, whoops! Honestly, the a6500's buffer is ridiculous, and without discipline one tends to end up with an overwhelming number of photos to slog through at the end of the day.
Wait a7iii has those autofocus functions right? Why did you say a7iii lacks those af features?
This is what I thought.
A7 III only has Real Time Eye AF, not Real Time AF Tracking. Which means it only adds the ability to seamlessly transition from Face Detect to Eye AF. The sticky tracking that's seen in Real Time AF Tracking isn't available, so you still have to move the AF point around by hand.
@@BlueBomberTurbo thanks for the clarification.
I like there is no flash, but they should put something in exchange, not only one additional button. Maybe another dial, more buttons or LCD screen.
Definitely leaves an empty spot on a camera that's loaded to the gills with buttons/dials/etc.
The pricing and the features make me feel like Sony is just leaving room for another camera that would sit between that a6600 and full-frame. Probably the a7000? New body, new sensor and 4k60p. Taking advantage of those new lenses. Hopefully.
@@hidekigomi that's very true 😂
Cr*p so sorry I deleted my own comment!! I used to (maybe still) feel the same for Canon also 😂
Same price as the A6500 at launch.
Does the 6600 have unlimited record time like the 6400?
yep
As a former a6000 owner and current a7iii owner I can't see the sense of the a6600 at the price. Sony neglected their apsc lenses for too long. The a6100 sounds tempting as a second body. I'd forgive the lower resolution evf to save that sort of money.
your intro music is actually the music from stick skater the iphone app
People complaining about the lens price....If it's too expensive, there are already 2 other zooms to choose from, the 16-70 f4 T* and the 16-50 3.5-5.6 kit. So now there is glass at every price point: $1400, $900, $300.
Or adapt Sony's 16-50/2.8 DT. Adapted performance since the A7x III series has been remarkable, and is a big step up from the A6300/A6500.
Hey Chris, how well does the new AF work with adapted lenses? I know it depends on which adapter is used but I also know you have a lot of those adapters. Please test test test
So, are you guys saying the XT3 is a better buy at this point? I'm a Sony a6000 owner BTW.
maybe Fuji has the exclusive rites to the sensor as did Nikon with the 36 MP D800
For stills, maybe. For video, probably not, if you value AF during video.
Decent Fuji lenses are very expensive (rarely mentioned in reviews), no great value HQ 3rd party options like the brilliant 16mm f1.4 from Sigma and with Sony E mount you can interchange with full frame and aps-c adding to versatility. Battery life on the Fuji is poor, the grip is poor, annoying record time limit, frustrating and stupid 4GB FAT32 limit to files and no ibis or flip screen.
I'm an a6000 owner as well, was hoping (and waiting and waiting) for a "Wow" new APS-C camera released by Sony to upgrade. Looks like I will probably go with the A7III and dip my toe in the Full Frame world. My lenses will still work on that body, albeit cropped like an APS-C
If you like AF, then no. If you're primarily a video shooter and don't mind manual focus, then yes. Either way, any of these cameras will be a big to huge upgrade over the A6000.
ABSOLUTELY!
yeah,
ABSOLUTELY...
I don't need heavy 2.8 APS-C lenses. A proper f4 standard zoom would be great.
The quality issues of the 16-70mm 4.0 ZA OSS keep me from buying a Sony APS-C camera.
They already have the 18 - 105 F4 with OSS
@@montymurray8602 That's 427g heavy. And it's not as wide.
@@uhu4677 It's not heavy at all. It feels so light, it feels hollow. There's also the 18-135 for extended reach.
You can get a GH5 for $1500 now... Panasonic is putting Sony in the dust. I can’t believe they would release an “upgrade” to the a6500 after 3 years without 4k60
GH5 is for video. Its AF is atrocious for photo, even vs a 5 year old A6000. As is its image quality.
RX10V???
But oh man that 350mm zoom looks perfect!
It's an f/6.3 and costs more than the Nikon 300mm f/4 pf...
@@youknowwho9247 For a blind man in the desert any water is appreciated. Also this lens will probably go down to $800ish when the tarriffs go away, if you look at Canadian MSRP.
Also, I see the Nikon as $2K or twice as much?
Am I only one thinking that the only MAJOR difference between the A6100 and the A6600 is the IBIS and for that the price tag is $700 more?? Is IBIS that complicated ???
There's a lot of difference. A6100 has a plastic body, A6600 is magnesium and sealed, A6100 has the old A6000 EVF, while A6600 as the higher res and faster refresh A6300 EVF, A6600 uses the new Z battery, A6600 has 3 more buttons and 1 extra switch (resulting in an actual 4 extra buttons), A6600 has professional video profiles, A6600 has a headphone jack, etc. LOTS of additional stuff, and even more will be uncovered for the reviews.
really, nobody at all:
Richard: *Absolutely*
The A6600 is definitely a A6300 Mark 3. One step was the IBIS and another was the flip screen and the bigger battery. A6100 and A6400 are total failures. No one asked for it. Everyone wanted an A6400 with IBIS - it’s the A6600. But with 1.600€ in Europe, this is quite close to the 1.900€ price tag of the A7M3
This is a massive disappointment. Even more shocking when you take under consideration the fact thatSony made and sold the new sensor to Fuji XT3.
I have had the a6000 for years now, so ALL of the 6000 series cameras are upgrades to me., but I recently got the a7iii so I don't see myself needing any of them.
If you need Sony's Real Time AF, then you'll need the A6100, A6400, or A6600. Or A7R III, A7R IV, A9, or RX100 VII...
Do these have the unlimited record time like the 6400? I haven't heard anyone mention it and can't find any specs on it.
Yes
Still waiting for the A6700 with the good sensor and not that old one they put on the A6600! Sony is playing a bad game... Maybe sony force us to buy their full frame format! Wish the best now for FUJI APSC!
How's it a bad sensor? Nobody has significantly beaten it in DR or high ISO. And it's certainly been updated since release, as it can go 2 stops higher in ISO than when it premiered in the A6300, and 5fps faster in silent shutter burst. Not to mention upping the CDAF points from 169 to 425!
@@BlueBomberTurbo OK, I see. If you are right about the release so It has been updated. Anyhow, we will see it in the different reviews incoming.
Poor effort Sony. In a time where everyone else goes 10-Bit and RAW, no HEVC, old menus, no varND, nothing new here, moving on, waiting for A7Siii better deliver. Looks like releasing bodies is faster than fixing firmware. so sad.
An A73 with the 24-105 f4 is similar price and offers more for the money (unless video is your main thing).
the a73 can switch between full frame and crop mode， i don't think it is defeated.
i feel like video is gonna be also better on the a7 iii?
@@typoded I guess I was referring mainly to those who require a flippy screen. Otherwise yes, you're right.
Or a7iii with tamron 28-75 f.2.8 same price
Chris that was epic spitting 😂 ps 1:38 voice was weird ,, where's Jordan the video king
absolutely..
At least they install a dial ring in the grip. Or if they removed the built in flash they install a lcd panel for or 24 megapixel lol 32meagapixel
Can we say sony A6600 better than canon M6II..for both purpose photography & vlogging?
'Absolutely'
Today was Christmas morning for Canon, Nikon, and Fuji. (even Pentax)
You'd think this would give them time to catch up. But it won't. Fuji is closest in line, but still trips itself up with poor AF, a key ingredient in any photo/video camera.
Stop separating Jordan and Chris lol
a6000, a6300, a6500 are replaced with a6100, a6400 and a6600 with some improvements. Nothing earth-shattering though.
A6000 not replaced, going to still be made according to DPR.
@@webdaddy Actually, all of them are still being made.
I feel that Jordan would have not forgotten to turn on or place the mic on Chris.....
No weather seal. 😢
In my opinion, Sony is just better off sticking to FF. Everyone seems to understand that their APS-C line, with the launch of these two new cameras, is the practically the same with a few minor upgrades to each one.
When your flagship APSC camera with a lens is reaching FF territory , in terms of price point , you're left scratching your head as to what Sony is doing in the APSC department.
Thank you for this video guys.
What I will remind from it is the antique 24mpx of the A77, the EVF of 1.44 mpx in the 6100 which was in the A58/A68 entry level cameras, a rear screen of less than 1mpx in 2020 it's just not acceptable and crazy AF performances lagged out by uhs I memory slots and 4k 30p not very new thing...
The real improvement is at last good APS-C glass coming because that was the worst part of Sony APS-C system actually, so good news here.
The A6600 + Sony 16-55mm f/2.8 (non stabilized and quality unknown) combined run about $2800 (all prices in U.S. Dollars) while the A7iii + the Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 lens run about the same. Which would you rather shoot with? I use a Meike battery grip on my A6400 ($80) and get the same battery life (using a pair of batteries) plus I get a vertical shutter button. IMO the A6400 at $900 gives better value than the $750 A6100...
Let's face it... These are the features that Sony should have included in the A6400!
Finally a new telephoto lense! I need this 70-350mm so badly! My SEL 55-210mm is way too short on the telephoto side.
But holy crap the price is not great. And no OSS! Combined with my A6300 it will get shaky as hell. Not ideal for Planespotting.
The 70-350 does have OSS, it's the 16-55 2.8 that doesn't have it
@@ognintendo7061 perfect then! thanks.
Grab a Canon 55-250. Blows the 55-210 out of the water, and gives you waaaay more croppability if you need more reach. I use it on my A6300 a lot when I'm not lugging my Sigma 150-600 C around.
Looks like the a6400 is the best option price/features wise, a6100 is a big contender provided you don't mind lack of picture profiles, and a6600 is only for an enthusiast with unlimited budget (Sony full frame cameras are a better option, pricewise, for a professional, even with the more expensive ff lenses).
Problem is, you'll have to spend around/more than 2x on a FF camera to get similar performance to the A6600. Real Time AF Tracking isn't available in the A7 III, so you'll have to get an A7R III or IV if you want the same high end AF as in the A6600. Or A6400. Or even the A6100!
@@BlueBomberTurbo Sure, but if Real Time AF is not an absolute deal breaker, things look like this:
Sony a6600 + Sony E16-55 f/2.8 --> $2,800
Sony a7iii + Sony FE24-105 f/4 --> $3,200.
And f/2.8 on APS-C is equiv. to approx. f/4.2 on FF.
@@mariuszsobolewski6713 The slower lens hurts AF sensitivity, Real Time AF or not. Two hits against the A7 III's performance.
@@BlueBomberTurbo FF sensor gathers more light from an f/4 lens than APS-C sensor can from an f/2.8 lens (f/4.2 ff equiv.). How is that a hit?
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when will the a6200 be released?😁
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Wait 6 months and Sony will churn another model out with one or two modest improvements.
I still use my original NEX-5 from 2010 (it has a 3D photo mode), and my NEX-5R from 2012 is still my main camera ! It has a touchscreen and tracking in video. I hope someday Sony will come up with a NEX-5R2 with the latest sensor/autofocus and IBIS to use with my old Canon FD lenses and the Speedbooster. The EVF is entirely pointless to me, and I refuse to pay an additional $250 for that bulky feature.
I'm willing to pay $750 "body only" for that NEX-5R2 without an EVF (but with IBIS !) ... So Sony, if you listen ...
There have already been multiple successors to the NEX-5R: the NEX-5T, A5000, and A5100. The A5100 is an A6000 with less controls and no EVF, and probably the best Sony will provide you with. The forward flipping screen of the A6400 was kind of a death knell for the A5xxx/NEX-5 series, as it had been a key feature of those cameras.
I'm curious to see how the noise stacks up against the old models and the XT-3. Sony could've put something earth shattering out but APS-C was never their at the top of their list. Fuji makes a good product but realistically it doesn't compete against the full frame market, it's a niche market
Compare A6400 or A6300 vs X-T3 on DPR. There's a difference, but it's not substantial, and basically ends up in a draw in DR vs high ISO noise.
@@BlueBomberTurbo i know the sensor stayed the same but I wonder if they tweaked the processing on the newest gen models
@@Vultite JPG would get a boost in high ISO NR quality. Both JPG and video get a boost in color. But RAW will end up the same, as it's the true data behind both (video is basically a high fps, low MP JPG sequence with audio), and the sensor hasn't been upgraded internally in a way that will improve IQ. Either way, it's still neck and neck with the X-T3 sensor, as it uses unique copper wiring that gives similar IQ benefits to BSI.
I'm using a6300 + sigma 16mm f1.4 + sigma 56mm f1.4. so i waited for a6400 + IBIS. i gotta buy this one. but the new f2.8 lens is $1400 that's insane. You better have sigma f1.4 trio lens whichi are total under $1100!! Watch my wine party video in low light condition!!
Yeah exactly the sigma primes negate that new lens. The 70-350mm will be interesting to see tho. Been looking for a long zoom for my a6500
They're really trying hard to find something positive about those 2 cameras.
Vlogging? How many people vlog out there?
Are you guys promotors for Fuji? Just don't get is no one will tell me that Fuji X3 has better AF than Sony A6600 tryed them both and... Hmmm
The biggest disappointment is the old sensor. I don't have a problem with it in the 6100 but in the 6600; this will remain Sonys top APS-C-Camera until 2021/22.
And it still holds up just as well as when it was released.
@@BlueBomberTurbo The A7R II/III sensor is also still great but it was replaced. True, the old 24 MP sensor is still good but I have higher expectations for a camera called a flagship.
Chris aka spitfire...
For every intro... Lol
Godox, this is the propitious moment. Release your professional APSC camera, NOW!
1400 $ !!!! for an 16-55/2.8 APS-C Lens is being insane! For real. All other options are way cheaper.
and no OSS , fuck sony!
If you don't have the budget for a modern high-end f/2.8 Zoom go for the variable-aperture options. The Fujinon-equivalent is slightly cheaper - but the other new lenses Nikkor Z or Canon RF cost significantly more.
@@ThorDyrden Sorry, but what you write is simply BS. The Fujinon XF 18-55/2.8-4 Zoom Lens can being had for around ~400-500 EUR new, that's 1k EUR less, and it does have a proven track record, being a excellent Zoom Lens. Anybody paying >1k for just APS-C/DX Zooms is being crazy. Well, i do have two FF Setups, so no cash cow milking here from myself.
It's always Guys like you, getting personal, "if you don't have the budget for..." no man, only people which are silly are throwing out that much cash, for just a APS-C Zoom. For 1400$, i'd buy only FF-lenses, end of story.
@@marcp.1752 You are comparing it to a variable aperture zoom now. Obviously that is going to be cheaper.
It's a pro lens. Not sure why they made it as good as it is. The mtf chart is impressive. It will appeal to shooters who want the best IQ im a very light and compact lens.
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I bet they have a stacked crop sensor in their inventory already, for some reason they just don't want to put it in new cameras.
Price.
@@BlueBomberTurbo yea its going to be pricey, but it's what the people want. Put the new sensor in an a7 body, add all the a9 features + 4K60, call it a7000 BAM! Perfect crop camera. They can do it, we know they can do it, they wont do it. Why...