Why do Dutch cities get renamed for 3 days a year?
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- For three days each year, Dutch cities get renamed. For example, the city I live in changes from Oosterhout to Kaaiendonk! This is all done as part of the Burgundian Carnival tradition, but let’s take a deeper look. It all started in Oeteldonk ...
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I received an email disputing the origin I presented for Kaaiendonk. In the video, I state that the origin of Kai is based on the story of King Author and the knights of the round table, this is the origin as given in the “Atlas van de Nederlandse taal” which was my reference for that information. This is also corroborated by other references I used.
However, it appears that another book, “de historie van carnaval in Oosterhout” suggests a different origin. That the area around Oosterhout was known as “Kaipolder”, in reference to the number of pebbles found in the area, this, in turn, lead to the people of Oosterhout becoming known as “Kaaienschijters”, and then the carnival name “Kaaiendonk” came from this. This would mean that at least in the case of Kaaiendonk, “Kai” may indeed come from stone.
I have not done sufficient research to disprove (in my own mind) the origin presented in either book. However, I somewhat prefer this second story, it’s a little simpler and more logical than the story I found, and I’m temped to Occam's razor the first story away. Nevertheless, the world isn’t necessarily simple and there may well be some truth to both as Oosterhout is not the only city with “Kai” in its carnival name.
In any case, it’s always worth keeping in mind when watching a CZcams video (particularly mine) that the problem with research is you don't know what you don't know and thus don't know to look for it. This is especially true when, like here, we are not looking that the main story of the video.
I love the papers please reference style of your animations
I’ve been quiet on CZcams and here for a while. I feel I owe you an explanation. My personal life hasn’t been very conducive to getting videos made. My mother in law has been diagnosed with cancer, which sucks because cancer sucks, and also she had been looking after my son to give me time to work on videos. But that isn’t possible at the moment. The cancer was caught early so the prognosis is good. So nothing to worry about but impacts my ability to work on CZcams a little.
Soliloquy that sucks to hear. Take as much time as you need, the most important thing is not to stress yourself out too much
Glad to hear that the prognosis is good, hopefully she’ll get better soon!
There are lots of serious historical research that points no link between saturnales and chrismass.
It's a pity they are so much things that go around by hearsay and not real research, cause history of religions is a real field of studies.
Pacotille. Do you have a reference for that, I'm always up for discovering something I thought I knew was wrong.
Please tell us the story about you ending up in the Netherlands. I mean, from New to Old Zealand? How did that happened? You just met her at random?
@@Soliloquy084 Here is a french channel by history of religion scholars; in the discription of those 2 vid they have a gdoc were they site all their primary sources : czcams.com/video/pBIwivNaZjE/video.html
czcams.com/video/cN92CbxKiw4/video.html
It was in the video but I’ll put it here too. For my home town in New Zealand, Karaka, I’d call it Orange County. Since Karaka is Māori for orange, as are the berries of the Karaka tree, and the local Rugby area is known as Counties. This amuses me for some reason.
Wow as a Dutch person I genuinely didn’t know this! Always cool to learn more about things you think you know quite well
It’s also cool to learn you moved from NZ to NL since I lived in NZ for a few years myself. It makes the videos feel somewhat more close to my own experience
Anyway, keep up the great work! Well-produced, informative videos like yours are what makes CZcams great
Thanks, it's funny how sometimes it takes an outsider to point out the history of a tradition. I guess if you grow up with it, it seems less weird and thus you're less likely to look into the history. Besides it's a time for parting not learning!
Soliloquy good point, I hadn’t considered that. I think I’m gonna look out for any more bits of ‘hidden backstory’ like this and see what I can find!
Cool, let me know what you find, it could even spark a video ;)
Soliloquy will do!
"...It must be double Dutch to them." Nice. that alone got my like on this vid.
I was rather pleased with myself when I thought of that line.
I'd rename Copenhagen to Christiania. Drugs would not just be ligal, but required by law, for the duration of the festivities. Norwegian would also be banned.
I'd love to rename (or to be more accurate restore) my city Constantinople
Why not go a step further and call it Byzantium?
@@Soliloquy084 Oooh a tad bit ancient but I think I'm firmly on board!
Just an aside but I always found it curious that when the Ottomans appeared in the Civilization games their capital would be Istanbul, while in reality the name change didn't happen until the Turkish Republic. There is probably a whole lot of Civ players who think the name change happened when the city came under Muslim control.
@@Soliloquy084 Oh it's a far more common misconception than just one plaguing Civ players. Most Turks think Istanbul became a thing as soon as the City was taken. What's ironic is most of the people who angrily get into internet fights about the City's name are people who dream of an Ottoman restoration so if they knew they called it Kostantiniyye they'd also probably support changing back the name.
#oeteldonk
Greetings from Lampegat, home of Philips. And thus the name lamp = lightbulb. Please note that the dates of carnaval (Burgundian) / vastelaovend (Rheinisch) vary each year. It is celebrated 40 days before Easter (46 including Sundays). And carnaval is generally only celebrated in de catholic (southern) parts of the lowlands, so the Protestant north is not partying along. There are some catholic pockets where it is celebrated in the north (so don't feel excluded peeps from Oldenzaal ;) ) .
Greetings from Lampegat (though I’m currently in Dwergonië)!
The church: no party for you!
The Dutch: Hmm ok, Alexa play Put a Donk on it by Blackout Crew
Today I had the opportunity to experience the Limburgish carnival first hand. Its interesting to learn the origin of all the shenanigans happening on the streets. Love the video!
I'm happy you liked the video, and hope you had a good time in Limburg.
Great illustration & explanation! Feel sorry for your mother-in-law :( just don't be so hard on yourself, we're here to support you!
Thanks Alya
Greetings from Nölersriek (Cuijk), we have that name for 4 days (Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday)
How do you still only have 70k subs? Trust me, there'll be a certain video that will catch and suddenly you'll be close half a mill.
All the best to your MiL. :)
I hope you're right and one day I reach those heights. It only take one person to share a video at the right moment to cause a channel to take off.
I've noticed the name changes once I moved to Brabant to be with my friends.
I've lived in many places throughout Gelderland from Apeldoorn, to Doetinchem, Wezep & 't Harde, Gendt, Lobith and unfortunately a lot more places.
But I can genuinely share with confidence that once you're above the rivers people just don't celebrate it.
It took me 27 years to learn my birthplace Doetinchem, has a Carnaval's name. People there, never use it.
It went as far as having a talk with someone who lives in Groningen who never even heard of Carnaval.
The fact they change the names here in Brabant, and traditionally keep it up, I love it as much as I don't, hating change myself with a passion but this is a good change since it brings a lot of joy and positive energy you really feel.
Also the people in Brabant are a lot nicer and less uptight compared to those above the rivers they're a lot more likely up for a conversation compared to above the rivers.
At least from all those who I've met.
Brabo's never change. Love you to bits.
Edit: Grammar
Holy crap, you’re almost down the road from me! Currently calling from Oeteldonk, originally from Dwergonië! (Normally know as Drunen, where two creeks combined known as de Dwergen flowed through, hence the name.....)
Dwergonië! Niet ver weg! Kwastenlaand!
Veel plezier vandaag.
I am from Kruikenstad (Tilburg), the name originates from the time of the industrial revolution, when we had a big textile industry in our city . Where the inhabitans, also named Kruikenzeikers.(Kruik = crock/pitcher/jug, and zeiker = someone who pisses(vulgar)). Who used to piss in the juggs, to degrease/wash the textile, because the high ammonia-content.
Thanks for watching, that's a really interesting one.
Didn't know you live in Oosterhout, that's pretty awesome! Not a place I would think of when people move to the Netherlands as most people stay in the bigger cities like Amsterdam, Den haag and Rotterdam. I used to date a girl for quite some time that lived in Oosterhout so I visited quite a lot. I'm originally from Arnhem in Gelderland, so I used to celebrate Carnival every year. I moved to the states a few years ago because of that I don't celebrate it anymore but it's always a nice time of year when I talk to my old friends about it when they are celebrating it back in the Netherlands. It's always (like we say in dutch) gezellig, and a lot of fun! Anyway, great video as always!
Ah the Dutch being Dutch at their finest.
4:21 ooh, didn't proofread that, did you? ;)
It's: "Nederlanders", "jouw" and "carnavalsnaam".
(Still a thumbs up, though; love your content, and spelling is always way too hard.)
Yeah, I'm not great at spelling in English let alone Dutch.
Also, it's not so much spelling in Dutch that is hard. It's the grammar! I mean in English we just avoid using the past perfect altogether.
@@Soliloquy084 Yeah..I would love it if we changed it more to be like Danish. Grammatical conjugations are so much easier there - especially when compared to Dutch (never ever mind German).
@@Soliloquy084 at least that's almost perfect Afrikaans lol
@@Soliloquy084 missed one letter in a great video.
Dutch directness in: one, two....
Watching this from Kruikenstad (Tilburg). Though I'm originally from Venlo where the rhenish carnaval is celebrated. Though sometimes it is called Jocus-riék during vastelaovend (carnaval), kind of incorporating the name change aspect of burgundian carnaval.
I'm Dutch and I didn't really know this. That being said, I'm from the North. We don't really do Carnaval here. I live in the 5th/6th largest city of the Netherlands (Groningen), which has over 230,000 people, yet we don't have a Carnaval name. The city where I was born (Delfzijl) does have one: Krabbersiel. It apparently comes from a swear word the next door city had for us.
I like the new music, but I miss the old music. I wonder if you could work in both in future vids. (P.S: I have Dutch heritage, too, and get back there pretty much every year these days. But I didn't know about this carnival thing. Cool.)
Thanks Mik, it's nice to see you comment here. Yeah it's an interesting tradition. I do like the old music I had from the CZcams library too, and if I have the opportunity I will use it again. I do like the new one though because a) its easier to work with and b) it was made for me specifically so you won't hear it anywhere else.
I didnt know you lived in kaaiendonk! I live really close by in peejenrijk and have been in kaaiendonk this week for carnaval! Have a good one!
We have some friends who live in Peeënrijk, so we go there every so often. This year, with a one year old son, my carnival celebrations consisted of only this video. I hope you had a good time.
Ohh...you actually live [t]here!? I thought you once did, in the way of 'past perfect tense', but you actually still do or do again?
No wonder ever other video involves something Dutch :)
Btw, I'm happy to see you back again!
Yeah, I lived in Bennekom, between Ede and Wageningen for a while and then moved to Oosterhout - I mean Kaaiendonk - where my wife is from. And yeah that's why I cover a lot of Dutch stuff.
@@Soliloquy084 Well, what can I say? I'm glad to have you in our midst!
4:19 /4:18 is only me who likes the Pepsi look of the dutch glag
I like the sound of Donk, so I'll call my city Donkdonk :-) nice video, I had never heard of this name-changing tradition until now!
Nice video! Greetings from Lampegat (Eindhoven)
bruh, I didn't know that we live in the same city.
At first I was surprised. But I've crunched the numbers and based on the proportion of subscribers that are from the Netherlands and size of Oosterhout, statistically there should be five subscribers from here.
It’s been a while!!!! Finally seen you again.
Good to get something out.
I'm Dutch, and never heard of this happening... But then again, I am from the north, where Carnival isn't that big a deal.
I will share the origin story of Lampegat (Eindhoven), which is actually really simple. It is from Lampe(n) (lights) and gat (hole) where the lights part refers to the cities reason of existance, the Philips lighting factories for which it was famous in the 20th century. The hole part refers to the fact that Eindhoven was a village before Philips came to Eindhoven and is now the biggest city in the province. Hole is used humorously to denote a small village (common in Dutch).
Thanks for watching, and sharing.
3:19 is this the Dutch way of saying 'dank'..?
Huh, that's quite weird but really interesting. Thanks for the quality video!
Thanks for watching
Really great video as always!
Thanks for watching Ralph den Boer, I'm happy you enjoyed it.
I live in one the northern provinces of the country and I had never heard of this
Yeah, in the northern Protestant regions Carnival isn't celebrated,I wanted to mention that but didn't have time.
I had never heard of this before and I have been living in the Netherlands for more than 15 years. Good job! PS I wouldn’t rename my hometown because it is well known in the area for being a Karnevalshochburg.
Not only cities and towns change name! Some schools do too! (although that's mostly Catholic schools in the traditionally non-catholic, non-celebrating North, to give their kids a feeling of how it is in the south)
My roman Catholic old primary school de Hoeksteen (cornerstone) changes its name to Confettikanon (I don't think I need to translate that, do I?)
Happy upcoming Mardi Gras!
Hooray for Oeteldonk!
My hometown of Tiel is a bit weird. Not a traditionally catholic town but bordering the catholic south, only seperated by the river Waal. It’s smack in the middle of the bible belt but not part of it (The bible belt actually goes around Tiel to the north). A village directly to the east of Tiel has been incorporated into Tiel centuries ago. This village was catholic, so even though Tiel isn’t catholic there is traditionally a sizeable minority. This is probably why carnival isn’t really celebrated here but somehow it is. People from Tiel are ‘Hotsjekkers’ becauce of a carnival club called by that name. That eventually resulted in the name Hotsjekkerstad. Is carnival a thing in Tiel? Nah. Not really. If people from Tiel want to celebrate carnival they head south to the villages just across the river or to a city like Oeteldonk.
Cool, I live in the Netherlands and have family in New Zealand.
It's funny how small the world is sometimes, thanks for commenting.
I live in Zwabberdam, but we don't really celebrate carnaval the same way as under the rivers!
Yeah, I wanted to delve into that aspect but it just wasn't possible to do and get the video out for the tent-poll.
I'm form Geertruidenberg but met carnaval it's Pottenschijtersland
My Native city of Barranquilla, which has the second largest carnival in the Americas if not the world (someone correct me on that) already has a cool name so I wouldn't rename it. However, I also couldn't think of a cool and/or funny name for it anyways.
Is Rio the larger one in the americas?
The Carnival in Rio de Janeiro is the largest int he world. Barranquilla might be second, the Wikipedia article does say so, however, the reference given is a Forbes article, that in turn cites the Wikipedia entry. That said, the Wikipedia article for the Carnival of Santa Cruz de Tenerife also claims it to be the second largest in the world, with several citations.
@@Soliloquy084
Wikipedia hates when that happens! Frankly I agree that no one should cite Wikipedia. Anyways, interesting info nonetheless.
Great video! (Even though my eyes died from reading so much Dutch)
Thanks for watching DoomXtreme, I'm happy you enjoyed it. Sorry about the Dutch and your eyes.
Soliloquy haha thanks 😊
I live in Sassendonk currently! (Zwolle)
You know I've lived in the Netherlands for a while but I've never been there.
I use to live in Zwolle, I'll always have a special place in my heart for Zwolle and Overijssel.
No one: Kaaiendonk: °o°
Hoogezand-Sappemeer
Lagezand-Sappeberg
Rename Melbourne, Australia to Batmania
Yes, that’s a thing
Any fellow Oeteldonkers here?
The etymology of carnival is uncertain. You'd do well to frame it that way
seattles second name should be portland because we are a land with a port. this also diminishes the intrinsic value of the city by 1000%.
*FINALLY!!!*
I know
@@Soliloquy084
After reading what you wrote. I felt bad about writing this.
So basically, you switched New Zealand for Old Zealand?
Absolutely not, Old Zealand is well to the East and recieves the name Smouzenrijk.
@@Quintinohthree I was talking about the creator, he used to live in New Zealand, so I jokingly said he switch out New Zealand for Old Zealand...
Fun vid!
Thanks for watching.
Chr/ist/ians. Why is it always chr/ist/ians?
Alaaf!
4:21 We piss in vases, we are vasepissers
Groeten uit oeteldonk
Carnival, aka, YEET MEAT
It’s not spelled Carnival.
It’s spelled Carnaval.
A carnival is something totally different.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival
Carnival is the correct English spelling, although in Dutch, French, Spanish, and Portuguese areas Carnaval is the preferred spelling. I've actually used both in the video.
Groeten uit Kielegat!
Nice to hear from someone from the neighbouring city :)
@@Soliloquy084 Yeah, I was suprised to hear that you live so close nearby!
London would be named londonistan.
Utterly nonsense! Typical Anglo-Saxon grandeur madness. To relate a local thing to the legend of King Arthur. Like saying that people from Tilburg are called Kruikenzeikers because of the Holy Grail.. Just read about it in the local history and everything is perfectly explained.
If it is nonsense...why is it written in the book "Atlas van de Nederlandse taal"? There are multiple stories about Kaaiendonk and it is not the main point of the video. It is just an example of a city in the Netherlands that got renamed.
If by holy grail you mean a bottle of schrobbelèr, I am not complaining about your theory xD
#oeteldonk
Groete uit Suid-Afrika
We;come, I'm actually working on a video related to South Africa.
How’s your Dutch coming along then? Is everyone still speaking to you in English? Haha
I'm really bad at languages, being dyslexic, and the Dutch are really bad at getting people to speak their language. So my Dutch is good enough for the immigration test but not much else.
1:05 but that's terribly untrue
Am I first?
Well you're the first comment outside of the premiere chat.
Wouldn't rename my city, but I'd rename Sterling Heights to Sterling Reich since it's a damned fascist police state.