Every Time Joel & Sarah Avoided The Cordyceps Infection In The Last Of Us
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- čas přidán 3. 05. 2024
- I review, breakdown and explain The Last Of Us Episode 2 'Infected'. I discuss the opening scene in Jakarta, Indonesia where we saw the origin of Cordyceps. I react to the connection it had to Joel and Sarah and how they avoided getting it in episode 1. I also give my theories and predictions for episode 3.
00:00 Intro
00:55 The Origin Of Coryceps In Jakarta
01:55 Joel Forgot The Pancake Mix
02:51 Joel And Sarah Declined Biscuits From The Adlers
03:56 Connie Made Raisin Cookies Instead Of Chocolate Chip
05:05 Joel Forgot To Bring Back A Cake
06:23 Overall Review
07:26 Outro
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Do you think The Last Of Us Episode 3 is going to have a dark opening? Comment your thoughts below!
I think the next episode will show how how the infection spread
That would be a good intro!
I think we will see the bombing
maybe flour from jakarta come from ukraine or russia, because indonesia, malaysia, thailand, philippines, vietnam, cambodia are rice eater and have many paddy field more. south east asian civilizations base on rice. java, thailand and vietnam(included, champa, malay base civs in mainland) are rice importer.
i like this pattern of pre outbreak or early outbreak to open the episode. Hopefully it continues. And i assume it would be pretty dark.
I love how the only reason Joel survived as long as he did was because he can't remember simple mundane tasks lmao
Very true - shows the ripple effect it can have!
Guess my ADHD forgetfulness would be a super power after all 😆
@@Isabella_ Despite being a fatass, id probably forget lol
Adhd for the wij
To be fair he had a very busy work day
I would have been infected immediately. There's no way in hell I'd forget a cake or deny free biscuits.
Also cookies
biscuits are my weakness
I would survive. The pro about COVID making you become gluten free 😂
Fat 💀💀💀
Don't forget about bread and other foods that require flour as an ingredient
Sarah: Doesn't eat bread and avoided the infection
Soldier: Here eat lead instead.
🤣😂omgg
There's dark humor for you.
omg hahahahahaha
That's true...she avoided getting the virus & survived the ensuing chaos only to get got by a soldier
Cray cray
Dodged infection but couldn’t dodge a bullet.
They could have just made Joel and Sarah gluten intolerant but instead they decided to play culinary dodgeball with them for 15 minutes
true 😂
Where's the fun in that?
Gluten allergy is a made up ailment of the last ten seconds of humanity
Could cause problems later on. If you have a limited diet in a post apocalyptic world with resource issues, you might experience difficulty staying nourished.
Good luck surviving 20 years in a apocalypse when you can't eat like a third of the food around
Sarah: Dodges every death threat from cordyceps like a boss
Soldier at border: I'm gonna end this girl's whole career
@@botoxbabyy oohhh a joke about a fictional character how dark!
@@botoxbabyy holocaust? Okay dude
@@josephjoestar4633 I mean he said very loosely but still...
@@maximilianschulz6455 still absurd
@@botoxbabyy how is that based very loosely on event like holocaust ? Lmfao , fcking nitpicking . It could also be “vErY lOoSeLY” based on the Jews massacring the Palestinian too if you want to nitpick it that way 🤷🏻♂️ or the Americans bombing the shlt out of the Syrian civilians, or killing them million Iraqis 🤷🏻♂️ could also be based very loosely on that . I mean , I did said “vErY lOoSeLy 🤓” soo
My theory is that the first infection, the one caused by flour only got the immunocompromised. There's that fragile old lady being fed biscuits and the kid with a medical bracelet at Sarah's school twitching. Could be that only those with an already weak immune system got sick by eating/breathing the contaminated flour, then once converted spread the sickness to the healthy ones by bites and scratches.
How are the fungus surviving cooking when they barely evolved enough to survive in humans only when they got "perfect conditions".
@@526235680 Fungal spores are covered in one of the hardest natural materials on earth harder than our teeth. Spores can also survive in space which is both super hot in sun light and very cold in the shadows. Once a spore makes it inside a body or plant they open up out of their shell and the fungus starts to spread.
@@synth8519 well pretty much every bread, or baked product does have to be cooked at really high temperatures. It varies a bit, but between 300 and 450 Fahrenheit is normal. That’s way higher than human body temperature which is about 100 Fahrenheit, so the fungus should not survive… of course it’s just a story, so let’s not let facts get in the way of enjoying it.
@@beefmadeoutofpork6789 flame throwers could've saved a lot of people basically lol
That's a great theory
The fact that Sarah avoided all of the dangers by chance just screams “Destiny” to me. It’s like she was supposed to survive with Joel for the next 20 years but that soldier took that away.
Well the whole idea of fate is played with a lot and then is directly talked about during the sniper shootout episode
Sarah instead of tess working with Joel to get ellie to the fireflies then Sarah dying, and then we'd be more connected with Sarah. Oof imagine! I wish we got to see more of Sarah in the game and series
If she was meant to survive, she wouldn’t have died by the soldier…🤦🏻♂️
@@90skidcultistleast media illiterate CZcams commenter
the opening of episode 2 was incredible. just chilling. praise to the actor who played the doctor. she did an amazing job. bomb... start bombing...
Totally agree!
Her name is Christine Hakim, living legend Indonesian actress.
@@alvifadhollah nobody care about you Indonesian , so . Also , the story is a bit stupid as shlt , to instantly jump into the conclusions of “bombing the entire city” , as if they knew the infection is zombie-like , and not just of similar affect like Rabies . They didn’t even know what it causes to human . It also feel dumb to also instantly bomb the place when they’re not even sure if the fungi had already leaked outside of the city , I mean it’s Indonesia , it’s a jam packed country with shlt tons of people cramped in like sardines , it could’ve easily broke out into the other part of the country . By the way , all of the scenario in Jakarta is pretty stupid overall , because firstly , NO Indonesian police would care that much to personally find that exact specific professor and him personally investing his own time to research the fungi and the victims ALONE 😂 not even another professor , not even another military scientist or anything , just some dumb Policeman with sloppy looking attire, caring so much about to know all about it himself 😂 when in reality they won’t even bat an eye to a murder case then take a bribe for it , kinda like how the Indian police does 😂😂
It was top notch acting for sure, nearly gave me goosebumps. Imagine just living your life as any other day and then narrowly survive being bombed and not even know why, only to have infected people running after you shortly afterwards.
When the leading doctor/scientists says to use violence, you know you're fucked
Shout out to the production team because they made a different vibes of Indonesia and USA in this series...That Indonesia scene was 100% accurate with the vibes , language , peoples , places and invironment,...We as Asean people almost thought that we watched wrong series at first hahaha...we thought we watched some random Indonesia film or something
Not to mention the license plate is bali not Jakarta
100% my ass
- the license plate is from bali
- a chinese as hospital security??
- she asks to bomb? In desperate time like that, the government will just asks it's people to do sholat, pray, istigfar, and other religious nonsense
The crazy thing is that it was filmed in Canada. It really fit the look of 2000s JKT
@@govinpillai3475 wow didn't know about that 😲🔥
Also, the actress who played the doctor is Christine Hakim, a veteran actress. Like she's Indonesian Meryl Streep. And the police actor is usually always playing as the policeman in Indonesian Soap Opera or we called it "Sinetron".
Didn't Joel mention they were also on the Atkins diet in episode 1? It may have meant he and Sarah avoided exposure to any batches of contaminated wheat for a while since it's a zero carb diet.
Yes, that's a good point!
He said that just because the biscuits are horrid 😂
also Atkins was all the rage in 2003, he was just being polite with the Atkins excuse since the neighbors are nice but nosey old people, they were facing money problems that is why he didn't buy the ingredients for pancakes
We can tell he just lied to not eat those biscuits as he was gonna eat pancakes and later was gonna eat cake
He was joking to get out of eating the biscuits and avoid his annoying neighbors. Notice how sarah doesn't even know what Atkins is and asks Joel, proving that they are not on atkins. If they were on atkins why would they want to buy a cake (even if they forgot it miraculously)?
In simple words, we are extremely lucky that Joel forgot everything and that Sarah hates raisin cookies. 😂
Most definitely!
I mean who doesn't hate raisin cookies lol
@@industrialholywater exactly
@desiree rosales I don't. Those are my favorites. I would have been so screwed.
@@well-dressed-bird I gotta respect that… it is a more healthier choice other cookies
I just realized,
Another clue Ellie is immune, she's eating a Breaded Chicken Sandwich, while Joel and Tess are eating Beef Jerky.
If Bread=Cordyceps, Ellie is casually flaunting her immunity in front of Joel and Tess.
youre a genius. such a good eye. people thought marlene was giving her special treatment. they were actually testing her immunity through food since they knew bites didn't turn her.
@@jacobasnodgrass5853 but there's a plothole, how can they find a flours for making bread? should flours been banned or the factory has stopped since 20 years cause it's source of the infection?
@Andersen you have a good point, maybe flower, and wheat were ban, but just like Joel and Tess where smugglers, maybe there's some other people smuggling wheat, flower, and bread
Yeah, no, that'd be nonsensical. The survivors wouldn't have reason to be deliberately keeping cordyceps-infested flour, and Marlene wouldn't be putting it in Ellie's sandwiches without even warning her not to hand to anyone else. (She could have very easily shared.).
The cordyceps-infested flour and grain was a 2003 thing for particular shipments by a particular factory.
@@andersen240 True! The infection did not come from the flour!
In the recent podcast, Neil and Craig told that they left "breadcrumbs" regarding the events of the infection as a reward for very observative viewers.
Pretty huge breadcrumbs
they left whole loafs lol
Good thing I missed them then, wouldn’t want the wheat to trigger a Cordyceps infection
Whole fucking bread factory in only XL size
It's extreemly sad that Sarah got shot. They were both healthy but the soldier still shot at them. I understad that he got an order but he clearly had doubt if should do it. It was so hardbreaking to see. Joels life and decisons could have been different if Sara would not have died :(
What I find a nice detail is the background idea behind that.
Joel was later allowed into the city, right? There’s no way a man suffering from the murder of his daughter wouldn’t have screamed it out in camp.
That more than likely implies there was a military revolt, with senior officers who threw around orders like that getting shot as deserved.
That, however, would lead to the eternal martial law that we see in game, as no one left wanted to give up the power to simply shoot corruption in the head. Every last thing would be by the books, or it would be ‘tried for treason’.
This leads to the Firefly revolts, and the war that occurs as Joel leaves that day in game, ending in the death of Fireflies there, but the military is quietly not heard from again ether.
Never seeing Part 2 so I haven’t heard if the Military still exists like that. While the Fireflies were f*cked in the head in the end, the initial ideas they sprouted were common things any American could get behind, so I wonder what the zone thought of that, of all of them being shot and destroyed.
Though Sarah dodged being infected by the contaminated flour in the food...she failed to avoid lead poisoning.
u rlly had to say that huh.
You just had to go there didn't you lol.
😅 f-
💀
To imagine a raisin cookie would have took me out lol and I know damn well I would have ate more than one!
Same tho
Always knew raisin cookies were evil
Them pancakes would’ve did me in
Fuck raisins all my homies hate raisins
Ugh raisins...
If you think about it, even the Adlers, minus the mother in law, resisted the temptation to eat their own biscuits and cookies as they were not infected until Grandma got to them.
Probably had a stronger immune system and would have got sick later.
Nah, baking cookies need very high temp. The fungus should've been dead. The only reasonable theory is someone cut his hand and dip it in the flour.
@RubiiX Could be other things. Like quantity consumed. Either way a lot of people were sick quickly, and the series went out of the way to show they didn't eat any flour products at all.
@RubiiX They got it first due to a weaker system that's not that you wouldn't still get it later. It's established only Ellie is immune.
@RubiiX They are probably people on the other side of the planet with immunity. For the purposes of the story they might as well be on the moon. It could also be Ellie is the only person left on the planet with immunity.
The fact that the initial outbreak was mostly oral borne and seemingly random unfortunately gives a lot more context to the military's decision to start executing anyone new they found. They probably saw several cases of people who "weren't infected" when entering a shelter or QZ suddenly turn without being bitten (probably because they ate a contaminated item later than other people) and cause more devastation. Thus you can see the brutal logic behind why Joel and Sarah were ordered to be shot, and if they HAD eaten any of the things they were _supposed_ to have eaten that day, it arguably would have been the "right" call to shoot them there rather than risk another security breach.
@I am Fighterman What are you talking about?
Something i dont quite understand about the infection spreading through flour is that besides a prolonged exposure to the raw flour itself, most if not all of the products are baked at high temperatures or for a prolonged time. The fungus evolved to withstand higher climate but im not convinced the spores would survive a vacation in the belly of a firery oven.
Exactly. The infected flour version doesn't hold water, it's a complete nonsense.
That’s what I’m saying I’m wondering.
I was confused about this as well, so this is what I’m theorizing:
Flour often gets disturbed when worked into a recipe or dusted on a surface. This could release spores into the air allowing them to be inhaled. If inhalation only affects the immune compromised (a theory I read in a few threads), then this could explain the initial spread. Once the immune compromised is infected then they can infect others via contact by mouth, biting or scratching.
I’m definitely interested to hear others thoughts on this though.
yes this also if the fungus had infected the food supply this widely, they would have eventually had some flour leading up to the weeks of the outbreak. its incredibly implausible that avoiding gluten for just 24 hrs kept them from being infected. the immunocompromise theory seems more plausible but would mean that like the walking dead, it would mean the fungus infection is actually in everybody.
Another reason not to eat raw cookie dough I guess.
Thanks for the amazing video. It's actually very insane that this was planned and it totally went over my head. The amount of close calls they had was insane looking at it back it now.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Sorry to disappoint you, but fungi can't survive baking temperature. If it were because of the biscuits, the whole house would turn at the same time, not only after the grandma bit them.
@@phucth91 it’s mutated in this universe could very well survive
Agreed...in the first episode with the panel. It was mentioned a change in temperature would effect this process. So, in theory it would have survived.
@@phucth91 The bit is some people don't cook their food all the way, prep afterwards with flour and sugar still on there hands, eat raw dough.
There's ways it can still survive.
It's just the idea anyway that they had this many close calls with products that had previously been contaminated with it. I didn't even put Episode 1 & 3 together until seeing this video.
I can't stop thinking that in this video game adaptation, not only they got people (cast and crew) who respect to the source material, but also writers who can write them in very clever way. Damn HBO. I won't be surprised if we find more details in episode 1 after all episodes out.
Once I found out HBO will be producing the series, I knew it was going to be good. HBO produced a lot of great shows so it wasn't worrying that they decided to adapt the last of us. If it was in the hands of Netflix, it would have been terrible.
@@danaal8637 the only problem with hbo is they make it so fast that it become shit like GOT but if they go slow and steady then they can be great at making some fairhful adaptation of every game and book
@@kitogg7292 game of thrones was really good though until the last few seasons but that wasn't HBO's fault. It turned out that the writers/directors of the show rushed it so fast because Disney offered them to write the upcoming Star Wars. So they rushed it so fast and didnt give a shit or respect the fans that have been waiting to see how it goes. Thankfully, after almost everyone disliking the final season and calling it poor writing, Disney decided to drop them. 🤭
@@danaal8637 oh i always thought that they did that because of hbo excecutives
@@danaal8637 and Amazon would have been worse
In episode 3, Joel explains to Ellie that the corderscypes would of most likely got in the food, such as sugar and flour, etc. So maybe that was why the old lady was twitching because she probably ate the cookies if it had corderscypes in it.
Yeah feels like that is definitely the case!
Same observations. I recalled the pancake and cake when Joel told the story.
I missed the cookies and biscuits.
Wouldn’t the cordercypes fungus just die once it was cooked .I doubt that it could survive in more than 300 degrees
@@salvadorbenitez2684 well of course the fungi in the movie would have evolved to resist such temperatures
... yeah, they literally said that in the video...
The Salem witch trials started with moldy dough/bread/flour.
The bakers were deemed witches as they cooked and sold it, it made everyone trip out
Possibly ergot, a fungus that parasitises rye. It does not parasitise animals BUT the toxin from it damages the nervous system.
Uh no?
@@melanief4115 uh yes?
@@melanief4115 Yes it's called ergot and it makes LSA which is one chemical group away from LSD
Yes ergot is one theory for why the hysteria around witches happened but the bakers were not the ones being hung. It was the women outside of society and people who disagreed with the hunt that were being blamed not the town bakers.
And Tommy was in a restaurant that day, he got arrested bc smb was getting violent for no reason hence didn't get to the food. Could be the same Cafe Joel runs with Sarah later btw 😭
Wasnt it a bar?
@@incognitospider330 I remeber it as a restorant/cafe 🤔🤷
@@incognitospider330 I thought it was a bar too
@@incognitospider330 yeah Tommy said bar. At least in the show
Joel later said "if you eat enough of it you get infected" so one cookie or even five probably wouldn't get you infected. the old neighbor who turned first also likely didn't get it from the cookies, while fleeing on the first day Joel and Sarah talk about how the Adlers would always take Nana to the hospital in the city to get treatments (for problems old people have presumably) and how they think she got infected there
It probably got to the adlers really easily due to a weak immune system. These are old people we’re talking about.
I have to assume because the infection takes two days, a decent amount of time would give people the chance to get away maybe get on a plane and infect people elsewhere.
Yeah, you don't need to come up with some batshit theory that the fungus that just evolved to survive in humans can suddenly withstand oven temperatures.
People got infected and went missing before the infection was discovered. That's all you need to fully explain the spread of cordyceps.
That's probably why all those planes crashed down from the skies in episode 1
I think the jist is that there was enough flour contaminated and a short infection time to start spreading it quickly
It doesn't always take 2 days even in the game. Sam went from bit to fully infected in less than 24 hours in the game.
@@averagefanenjoyer8696 you right, episode 3 finally gave us an accurate time frame for the infection, which is pretty cool.
I found a clever way how they managed to put the cordyceps on wheat, but my doubt is that the oven temperature, above 150°C/ 300°F, would not kill the fungi?
They way it spread to humans was by being able to withstand in higher temperatures. Maybe this was extended to be able to withstand oven temps?
Yes it should have.
The fungus would definitively not survive the heat of the oven, but I guess of cause you would at least inhale some of the flour dust while processing it, or even touch your face while doing it and get the infested flour in to your mouth, eyes...
Its called a plothole evolving to withdtand higher temperatures means by like within a few degrees not
Suddenly being able to withstand all heat
@@carlito19934 Do you now how messy working with flour can be, probably breathed it in or consumed just a bit of it
Holy crap. A master class in how to make a 45 second video last 8 minutes.
I know it’s just a show, but the fungi just evolved to survive 98.6 degrees and can somehow survive the baking process?
Based on the Jakarta scenes & how they explain the spread from grain storage I'd expect that mice & Rats would have been spreading the fungus LONG before the humans became hosts...🤔
Could be that a rat got infected and bit the first human.
This dude trying PAINFULLY hard to reach the word count
I’d say the second episode seeing as the epidemiologist simply could not stop shaking because she knew it was far too late.
She was already infected, hence the twitching.
@@piphead was she? I thought she was just scared
@@jordansanchez131 yes the tendrils that she pulled out of the mouth bit her and she dropped the vice grips.
She wasn't infected. The tea cup happened when the soldier told her the situation. It was pure fear.
@RubiiX no that's being ignorant, ur being ignorant.
This just shows how incredible this show is in detail and writing and how much thought though had been put into it. And instead of appreciating the show and it's story, I've seen people complaining about ellie's actor and saying that they won't watch the show because of her. Just shows how dumb people can be.
Just curious, what’s their reasoning for hating Ellie? Personally I think she’s killing it. Pun intended.
@Megan McDonald They usually say she doesn't look like ellie. Thr actual reason is that they consider her unattractive
I wasn’t convinced by Ellie in the show. She doesn’t do the game Ellie justice in my opinion, but I watched for Joel. I played for Ellie and watched for Joel. It was a good game adapted to a good movie.
Interesting take! I didn't catch these tidbits. However, I assumed that the infection spread from the hospital. People going for regular check-ups and such. After all, the ground zero for the infection (as mentioned in the The Last of Us Part II) was a hospital in Seattle. Maybe they transferred resources to Joel's city hospital and the outbreak continued.
Assumptions :D
I think they just meant that the hospital was where the first infected arrived in that particular city, not where it originated from because in the intro of the first game, you can find a newspaper that says contaminated crops from south america got into the food supply , but good idea otherwise!
Any time a disease gets a hospital as ground zero I alway just assume people got sick and tried to get treatment at the hospital. Unfortunately, hospitals contain a lot of other people who can then catch it so that’s when it hits the fan.
6:27 did he call sarah “ellie” by accident? 😭🤣
Yes
Wow! After watching the recent episode and Joel describing to Ellie how it originated and even Joel's pancake mix remark, you are batting 💯 brother! Great video and very informative 👍
There was another video i saw (listened to really, i was at work.) that went over the spread and how to fungus survived the oven. 1. Flour/grains don’t need to spoil for fungi to attach. And 2. It was found, apparently, that more fungi were found in baked goods after they were baked. A article in a food magazine the video sourced.
I love how this narrator discusses a scene before he discusses the scene and then explains the scene immediately after he explains the scene.
The script for this video is like when your professor has a word count minimum, "Joel returned empty handed with no cake in hand" (One of many of these sentences)
Reminds me of a conversation I had about the canned food and Joel says get stuff that's not dented or puffy, I thought he was talking about botulism or ergot but then I remembered how he said the fungus got in the food supply and that's what caused the first outbreak and so it's possible even the nonperishable stuff could infect you. Would really suck to have to juggle feeding yourself and making sure you don't end up a runner but when eating can also infect you it adds another level of intensity to the most simple tasks.
I can’t believe how I never picked up on all those times they were lucky avoiding the fungal infected flour!! Thanks for this video
Happy to help!
Someone in the comments mentioned cooking the cookies likely killed the fungus. Honestly I can agree with that.
This means the old lady got infected from opening the plastic bag of flour/cookie batter mixture or sugar whichever was infected or all of those ingredients. She inhaled it while pouring/mixing. Meaning the cookies given to Sarah would have not been infected
It's so funny how these videos have so much fluff words to draw out the length of the video, it's like hearing someone read a school essay.
Sarah does take the cookies home. She puts a blue container and the dvd in her backpack before heading back home.
Maybe it's because they touched & inhaled the flour during cooking. Or the flour on their hands/clothes touch their family members with weak immune system.
There's no way the fungus, which always need perfect condition, can survive the cooking.
Then even if they ate the birthday cake it wouldn’t make a difference
Not having pancakes also saves Tommy, as he ends up raiding his brother's fridge instead
Very true!
this is one of those rare videos that points out something most will or did actually miss ! well done !
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Death: HOW DID YOU AVOIDED ME?!
Joel: I forgot about you.
Death: shit...
Tommy also narrowly avoided it too. He came to Joel's house for pancakes. He was expecting pancakes so he didnt eat at his house or stop at McDonald's. They were late for work so they didn't have time for the Adlers biscuits or to grab something on the way. He was at a bar and probably almost drank a beer (made from barley) until he saw someone hit a waitress. If the right supplies were delivered, they would've gotten off work at the right time. He would've had time to have a beer and maybe cake with his brother.
this video could've been like 4 minutes shorter if you didnt just say the same sentences but slightly rephrased over and over again. you somehow found a way to talk about joel forgetting a cake for almost a minute and 30 seconds. its like a bad middle school essay
Also important to remember that there is 20 years between Sarah's death and the start of the show and it took them a while to figure out that this strain of cordyceps had lain dormant in flour, so Joel and Tommy's insane luck (as well as any other initial survivor that lived on for those 20 years) meant they dodged any kind of food that contains flour for that entire time until someone finally figured out that's where it came from. There's no way to know when they figured it out, but it would have taken quite a while.
Flour is an incredibly common ingredient found in so many foodsources and when there's an apocalypse knocking on your door, you can't exactly afford to be picky about what food you eat. If you find a slice of bread, you're eating a slice of bread for lunch that day. So Joel just continued to be lucky enough to avoid any kind of food that contains flour until someone warned him to stay away from it, however many weeks, months or even years into the apocalypse this happened.
Biscuits arent a sweat treat in the US. What theyre talking about is closer to a scone but it is different. Its just a simple form of bread basically
I think he meant biscuit as in Cookie, narrator sounds British or Australian so to him a cookie is a biscuit.
I’m so use to accents that I didn’t catch he wasn’t American until he said biscuits were a sweet treat. Yeah. A sweet biscuit would be kind of gross. Cookies and gravy. Yum
@@vigodrakken7916 To be fair, there are the US version of biscuits being offered to Joel and Sarah in the morning when he says he’s on Atkins.
Joel literally survived because of being a man making simple human mistakes, what a lucky guy.
That's exactly what I thought of! Nice to find a video about this.
Glad to hear it!
This dude makes some great points I hadn't considered about the first episode, and I genuinely enjoyed taking a closer look at potential close calls, but why does he sound like my essays when I need to meet a word count? He reworded every single sentence while adding little depth! I feel like my high school English teachers
I’d be so screwed I go to subway 3-4 times a week 💀
Nobody noticed how fast can old grandma run after being turned? Even if she was on wheelchair?
The way cordyceps infection works in ants in real life is that the fungus controls the hosts muscles. Probably how it worked for granny in this case - doesn’t matter if she was in a wheelchair, her brain was not the one responsible for sending neurological commands to her legs.
I love your efforts into looking for these things I love these kind of vids
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
This man’s script sounds like he got a word count he gotta reach.
Right I was trying not to get agitated from how much fluff he put in the explanation. Dude was trying to be too thorough lol
Oh, I love it. I've never heard someone go into such detail as to why a kid might turn down some cookies, but that was a fun little bit there.
Definitely was!
Finally. One good thing about being gluten free 😂
That’s what I was thinking while watching the show most of the people who survived where either vegan or not being able to eat gluten.
I never thought about this really interesting :) great video
Glad you liked it!
Holy shit I commented on your other video about this 9 hours ago and now you make a video about it! Big Brain indeed
You can ask any people allergic to pollen for advice on how to avoid being affected by spores. Air filters and air purifiers, masks, goggles.
Baking would've killed the fungus on every ocasion ( since it's been explained it needs very precise conditions of heat ), so that is a massive plot hole there since it doesn't make sense for the spread story. The only 2 probabilities that someone would've got infected with the flour was if someone ate raw dough or literally ingested or sniffed flour. Sure it takes very few people to start a pandemic that kills/infects via bites and bodilly fluids but if they wanted to actually keep the story cohesion it would've been needed to be said "The fungus survives 500 C tempretures for a certain amount of time" thus making so baking didin't actually kill it.
Edit: Another pretty big plot hole is how is the bread present in the sandwich Ellie is eating, sure she is immune ( and we see Joel eating salted beef ), because i'm very sure FEDRA or actually any global Gov won't allow any kind of "bread production" after the events in Jakarta, not even local protected crops. They literally said that the fungus spreads into the underground for miles thus making any field crops infested.
This video is twice as long as it needs to be.
I love how you turned a 1:30 min vid into almost nine, is facinating: the way you elongate sentences and twist them into a mockery of themselves to waste your viewers time is truely an art. Keep up with the monotone too, pretty asmr.
Was looking for a comment like this! Half way through the video I couldn't take it anymore. What a waste of time.
@@LolaKlein It just bewilders me how most people don't seem to notice or mind, specially in a post-TikTok era
@@Umbra0023 I know. But wait, are we in a post-Tik Tok era already? I feel like Tik Tok is still peaking... unfortunately.
@@LolaKlein Oh, I meant "post" as in "after it became a thing", I guess like the way we have "b.c." and "a.d.", but not a "during Christ" era.
@@Umbra0023 ohh lol it makes total sense now rereading it 😂
My mama always said to avoid pancake mixes cuz they are full of crap, turns out she wasn't talking about the sugar content 😂
I doubt Indonesia is a big exporter of flour to the world. So what we likely saw was just an early outbreak in Jakarta, not the original.
It's not a big exporter but it has the largest flour mill in the world. Cordyceps is also more commonly found in Asia, so it does make sense for the outbreak to start there.
@@Nolaris3 that doesn’t contradict anything I wrote, if it’s not a big exporter in can’t spread just from there in 2 days to ravage the entire world. This can be one of the earliest and biggest outbreaks, but there must be many going on already or be simmering so it’s not obviously the first. There might be others all over Asia.
I like how he realizes in an episode how close he came to being infected when he takes a pause then mentions pancake mix.
Since the fungus is vulnerable to heat I think it’s unlikely it could survive being baked and it’s more likely nana got infected at the hospital where many infected people were being held, though this could just be an oversight and all these instances weren’t coincidental
But how did the cordyceps survive the heat during any kind of cooking process? You would think the heat would've killed off the cordyceps along with other bacteria as cooking does.
Exactly. The baking would kill the spores. More likely, the infection must come from the flour... either inhaled while mixing the recipe or from licking the bowl....
Some fungal spores can survive 90C. Not totally implausible for it to evolve a higher tolerance?
@@crispyhoover8880 evolving to survive 180C- 250C is madness tho. Its already a crazy evolutionary jump to go and be able to infect humans. To then jump past 38C and survive past boiling temperatures when only the most evolved Organisms can survive is crazy. Most likely they got infected from inhaling/ ingesting the flout
The spores can survive those temperatures... once inside the human they grow into mycelium
@@user-gk7dn3ts1q When is is stated that they can survive upwards of 100C? Ive played both games and watched the show and no-one ever makes a comment like that. Also they clearly cant, as its stated numerous times that the fungus is vulnerable to fire. If they were so heat resistant, flames wouldnt be too much of an issue
I kind of don't understand how so many people were using infected flour. All of them had to be using recent flour but it's not something you buy every week. I buy flour like once a year. Also weird how 1 flour factory is supplying the whole world.
I don’t think very many people needed to use the flour - it’s just that once the sickness got to just a few people, the infection spread so efficiently that it didn’t matter.
Jakarta has the largest flour mill in the world btw
It’s not about how often people buy a bag of flour for personal use. It’s how often people eat a product with flour in it and if that came from a factory using infected flour. A few factories in a few different countries would be a real problem when people eat bread, cake, biscuits etc every day.
Capitalism. Apparently pears grown in argentina are shipped to korea to be chopped up and put into pots which are then shipped to the USA to eat. It's crazy fucked up.
You only buy flour once a year?? My family and many people I know bake a lot of bread/sweets or use it in cooking (pasta, sauces, stews, etc). So we have to buy a new bag at least once every two months. Maybe it's because I live in a European country where we apparently eat more bread than other continents? Almost everyone I know eat bread or a product containing a lot of flour every day, and little bit of sugar.
Well spotted! Keep going, there are more subtle things like this in the background.
Thanks a lot!
I'm not sure about this.
Episode one establishes that fungi would need to evolve to survive the 98° of the human body. So, they just skipped right past that to be able to survive a 350° oven? They just jumped from 97° being too hot to 350°? Okay, sure.
Storywise, her infection would have to be something us, the audience, had seen. The biscuits were definitely tainted.
Brilliant
I would never have connected all of this.
Glad to have helped!
You misses were in Sarah’s class a boy was twitching.
And it played the creepy sounds that’s like ‘This is wrong’
Great video ^^ I sidnt notice some of this!
Heads up though, biscuits are like shaped bread they arent sweet. Biscuits where you are from we call cookies here :)
Its not a big deal but i thought you should be aware. Subscribed 😊
So far both episodes is great my only complain is episode 2 is shorter I was hoping every episodes is at least over an hour long.
According to the podcast episode 1 was longer because it was initially broken up into two episodes but they ended up changing it.
We don't know how much time passed between the outbreak in Indonesia and their realization the flour could be infected(there is a reference on the TV on Day1 ), but I'm sure if Indonesian government warned others on time majority of the products would have been taken off shelves, or never reached them. These products are usually shipped by boats and it takes time for them to reach customers, specially ones on the other side of the world. In reality, the outbreak would have probably been limited to the Java island.
The first episode actually made me think it was going to be an exciting ride. Little did I know that we would then see almost nothing of the infection for the rest of the series. Seriously, you would barely even know that the cordyceps fungus was an issue.
My problem with this is that even if the fungi evolved to live at human body temperatures, it's pretty unlikely that it could survive at
200 degrees, which is about how hot cakes and cookies get. So, I find this dubious.
You're right
The only problem I can find with this theory is that the fungus just now adapted to live in the human body at 98.6 degrees. Are we suggesting that it was able to live within the higher temperatures that we cook our food to?
Its fiction!
Wow. Thanks for posting this . I never would of connected the dots
This video could’ve been so much shorter if you didn’t keep saying, “You need flour to bake this” or “She probably would’ve eaten them if they had chocolate chips.” It could be just two minutes of, “They didn’t eat this, this and this.”
Do you think this series is going to increase or decrease cordyceps sales?
Makes even more sense now after ep 3 where Joel explains Ellie how it all started, he mentions pancake mix lol
Yeah definitely does!
“Implying there was gonna be no chocolate chips in them whatsoever” 😂😂 no fucking shit…
But main question is, when did the population realized you have to go Gluten Free after the infection? 🤔🤔🤷♂️
In the first episode : it cannot survive over 94 degrees. I know he said that it could resist more higher temperature if it evolves. But a person is at around 98 degrees and a young child at 100 degrees. Knowing that the fongus affect absolutly everyone, it is correct to said that it could resist even a human extreme fever at 110 degrees, a fever that would cause death by the way, but still.
Cookies are baked at 375 degrees..... so .... how could it survive in flour?
could be from inhaling the flour? Or maybe it could be some other way like through fruit or vegetables but originated in a bread factory
@@agentchicken3577 Yes it could, but if we think about it that way, we cannot proceed the same way about the cake that Joel didn't get or the raisin cookies that Sarah didn't eat. I do get it about the pancake mix; by making it Sarah could have inhale the mix in some way or get it by touching the flour mix. I thought myself about the flour and the pancake mix when I listen to the episodes (1-2). But the cookies should have infected the daughter instead of the grand-mother, cause she is the one who prepared it and touch the flour. So I don't think the cookies nor the cake have anything to do with the infection being avoid.
The spores can survive those temperatures... once inside the human they grow into mycelium
@@user-gk7dn3ts1q Ok but it was already ok to survive the 100 degres of a human body, but not the 375 degres of an oven to bake a cake or cookies.
@@user-gk7dn3ts1q In TV series spores were removed as a source of infection (in close room Joel does not use mask with filter like in game). So this is inconsistency. Fungi spores are destroyed in temperature over 170 degrees F.
n the cookies, the chocolate chips weren't the carrier, the flour was. Oatmeal Raisin Cookies are typically made without flour.
Idk about everybody else, but I can't see that an outbreak starting that week would have any bearing on buying pancake mix at a store. It's certainly not like the shelves would have items that fresh. It's just not possible logistically.
I don't want to be critical but this is way over explained, the same info is repeated several times. I lost patience halfway through, sorry
my hungry ass would've gotten infected in no time😭😭😭
Same here! I'd have been gone at those cookies
@@BrainPilot ... Raisin cookies??? To each their own
@@cole9547 raisins are nice though😭😭😭😭😭
I never could rap my head around how a baked good would allow a fungus to survive.
Like when I make brownies I know damn well anything alive in that mix is dead at 400 degrees.
I would love to have a prequel of the outbreak and how different countries dealt with it.
I think cooking the flour would kill it. Prepping the ingredients would cause it.
The spores can survive those temperatures... once inside the human they grow into mycelium
Base temps to cook something like chocolate chip cookies is around 375 degrees and biscuits are like 425 to 450 degrees. There is no way a fungus survives to infect anything being hit with that for 10 to 20 minutes or more in an oven. This story is an interesting sci-fi take on a zombie apocalypse scenario using cordyceps fungus as the reason, but there little to no reality in the story.
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@@user-gk7dn3ts1q But the TV show doesn't use spores, only the game does. Craig Mazin left spores out of the TV show deliberately.
Watch how everyone starts a no carb diet after that episode 😂
This is actually really cool