It makes absolutely zero sense for you to design your intergalactic city ship to run completely on batteries, why didn't they use some sort of power generator like on their aurora class battleships. ZPM's as a back-up and/or auxilliary power source yes, as your sole means of power no.
@I RuBiiX I They clearly were in short supply though and not at all easy to make. They never found any spare ZPMs in Atlantis, nor the equipment to manufacture new ones. If the Ancients could have easily made new ZPMs they would never have lost the war. They could have stayed in Atlantis under the ocean indefinitely regardless of the Wraith seige / bombardment, keeping the shield strong with an endless supply of ZPMs. Since that didn't happen we have to conclude that ZPMs were rare and difficult to make and since they are eventually depleted the Ancients are essentially running their city on batteries. It's also safe to assume that at the very least you need a greater than ZPM level power source in order to manufacture a ZPM since energy can't be made from nothing. A proper power generation system with a renewable fuel source (such as fusion reactors running on ocean water) would have been far more sensible.
@I RuBiiX I You've just invalidated your own point, you said and I quote "The Ancients obviously had the ability to make them fairly easily so it wasn't like they would be in short supply." As to their ships, they weren't powered by ZPMs, they had their own power generators, they didn't have entired defensive fortresses powered by them, we saw 1 other Atlantis type city ship powered by ZPMs and 1 EM device that kept the children safe powered by a ZPM. As to winning the war, they didn't have to if they had easy access to a supply of ZPMs, they could have just outlasted the Wraith like any defender tries to in a seige. Now if their city hadn't been powered by the cosmic equivalent of AA batteries, and instead had a proper power generating infrastructure with ZPMs as back up / aux power they would have been in a lot better situation. They could have kept the shield up and waited until the Wraith got bored and gave up or fell to their usual in-fighting after depopulating the Pegasus galaxy and running out of food. The ancients gambled their city on a single, exhaustable power supply with no redundancy, a fatal mistake that cost them the city and the galaxy. It is just bad design having your entire power system based around a single point of failure. Look at a typical city on Earth, a large distributed power grid serviced by multiple substations around the city and supplied by multiple power plants connected to the city at different points. The loss of any single power plant won't black out the city and failure of parts of the grid stays confined to local zones. Where as in Atlantis we have seen the opposite, single point of power source, damage to one part of the grid taking down the whole city. The only reason for the ancients losing and fleeing back to earth given in the TV show is that the Wraith vastly out-numbered them. This doesn't really make a lot of sense because we know that after the ancients left Atlantis the Wraith eventually give up on their seige and go and hibernate or something which makes zero strategic sense. There's no reason the Wraith couldn't and wouldn't have pressed the attack on Atlantis, there's no reason to assume the Wraith knew that the ancients had evacuated, I doubt they sent the Wraith a message telling them and the Wraith said "k, thx bye", and then go off to sleep somewhere. The Wraith should have pressed the attack, collapsed the shield and gotten the ancient's superior technology and possibly the way to Earth and the Milky Way.
Honestly probably my favorite character was McKay, and i loved seeing moments where his true heroic side comes out. We see it when he puts on the personal shield and walks into the alien fog, when he lies to the heavily armed Geni to try and get them to evacuate in The Storm, but mostly here. Where he spends his last moment trying to save others. We can see that under the phobia and fear, this is a man who would give his life for his team.
He was a coward when it was convenient. But he still wanted to do the right thing. He just wanted the right thing to be what he preferred to happen. Which is why He allowed a solar system to be destroyed.............................
Makes total sense - you're under siege by an enemy, the LAST thing you want is for the defenses to default open. Thus the city would sooner drown than reveal itself to the Wraith, until they changed history.
@Patrick McMahon I'm not talking about how the shield interacted with wraith weaponry, I'm talking about why the Ancients decided to keep Atlantis tethered to the ocean floor rather than let it float to the surface when the shield ran out.
Would also make sense though that the ancients in their mighty intellect would design the main tower and some other buildings to be able to withstand the pressure of the ocean haha. Why build a city as a ship but not make the buildings capable of withstanding the vacuum of space or an ocean if the shield ever fails. No sense haha. Atlantic could house a million people. If the shield ever failed randomly or was shut down by a sabatour when under water in space .. a million deaths
So, what you're telling me is that Stargate Atlantis is like Dragonball Z in that the timeline the show takes place in isn't actually the original one, but is in fact the "good" timeline. And that everyone just died in the original timeline.
Pretty much yeah. A LOT of time travel involved in Stargate. There hasn't been an "original" timeline in a very long time. Sometimes there's evidence afterwards of history being changed (the two-part season 8 ending of SG1 for example and the episode Time of SGU) but other times not so much. Stargate Continuum for example. The main characters remained completely unaware at the end that time had been changed, although in their case, corrected. The only evidence was a picture on one of the main character's lockers that originally showed just his grandfather (played by the same actor in the movie) now showing his grandfather and his alternate timeline self who had repaired the past and in the process, killed one of Stargate's most recurring villains.
There are more layers to it than that, but that is the case in this episode. Both SG-1s Moebius episodes, as well as the sequel movie continuum, have a triple layer setup, as opposed to the double layer here.
actually got that funny understanding moment with the actor at the SG convention a few years ago. forgive if I don't recall the actor's real names right now. I was getting up to shepherd in the autograph lines....and the actor for Beckett was on the other side. he was spending so much time talking with people, that his line was barely moving. shepherd hollered over to him "they want your autograph, not a conversation" (or something to that effect). right when he said that, I just sarcastically tossed in "hell, just borrow Ronin's gun and stun him with it..." without missing a beat....shepherd looks right at me saying "I like you." in his usual tone when you're on the same page as him lol
I always feel like that friendly ancient lady left that message specifically for the Atlantis expedition because even as she refused to help Weir get back she knew that Janus was going to disobey the council and help Weir
Yeah I was happy when I read about her in the novels. They are official, so what happens to her in them is Canon. You should check them out if you want more Atlantis, they're really great.
@@farscape1714 Here's a list from wikipedia, currently 24 Atlantis novels, which you can probably find on Amazon if you want - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stargate_literature#Based_on_the_television_series
you know i wasn't a fan of doctor weir in the beginning but she grew on me and proved herself a reputable leader. Not to mention she is attractive in a very classic kind of way.
Dude that's heavy. Especially when you could just go with the obvious fix and have Superman fly around the planet really, really fast. Also, Carson is super hot.
What a great episode. Going back to see the original Lantians and seeing how bad things might have been. I remember Rodney feeling some small amount of pride in the fact that he had been willing to make the sacrifice move in the previous timeline. And then it ties back to SG-1 since cool guy Lantian Janus went on to build another DeLorean that SG-1 found. And I remember Rodney being very "Dr. McKay" when Back to the Future was brought up.
I always thought that this was his one time machine. he was ordered to destroy it but either disassembled it and took it with him or smuggled it whole when they left atlantis.
If i was the prior Weir "Uh theres something else. We come through in 10,000 years but we dont have a way to get home. If there was a spare, then the next time my team show up, they have an out incase this enemy returns. And a way to fight back."
@@AzguardMike well, she only had janus to assist her. the council didnt want to alter the timeline and the zpms were regulated and fairly sparse even back then.
Then wier makes the whole Atlantis and sg1 shows obsolete by telling them 2 things after they go to milky way seed the galaxy with gates on ever habitable world they find they either do 1 of 3 thing go extinct, breed with humans passing the ancient gene's in certain people or ascend for immortality like the ori they fled b4 pegasus and choose to watch and not act as a parasite takes human hosts and conquers milky way leaving humans as slaves like they leave humans in pegasus as livestock for wraith. I got a time machine when did u screw with wraith DNA and evolve them and wat world were they found on ......boom no war in pegasus. No go'auld rise in milky way. Heck she could save the asgard b4 they do copy of copy of copys and destroy themselves genetically and warn both from making replicators.....dundundun only the ori remain and they 5 races can prep for their coming
"Question is where's the time machine now" - Yeah, I don't know, maybe the SG1 is creating some paralel timelines with it by traveling to Ancient Egypt
Nah real question is why didn't the alterans use the machine to travel back to before they arrived on the world with the bug tell the past ones to just pop over in a few ships and bombard the planet from orbit and red list it permanently
@@primezero86 then we did not have such a illogical but great show) you guys are trying to find a logic in tv-show where all things lead to make current plot happen. Did you ever ask yourself how bunch of humans with tiny knowledge of what they are doing could defeat goa'ulds, three kinds of replicators, ory, wraith and lots of other minor enemies, where ancients, asgard and other advanced races totally or partly failed, cause writers wanted them to win) and logic is a last thing they think about. When i watch any show i just switch off my analyzing part of brain and enjoy that crap which happens on the screen. Good actors, nice pics and interesting plot twist are just enough for me to forget my everyday problems and get some rest
I always thought these ancients, were to arrogant for their own good. Just like the towlands. Very advanced yes. But ultimately their arrogance was their undoing.
The Tollans you mean. And yes. What race of arrogant schmucks design their cities designed to fly through space to be dependent on shields? Or leaves their transports practically defenseless? Why didn't the Ancients have Interceptors and Assault Fighters if they were running out of materials to build Cruisers?
@@assemblyrequired7342 far as the cities.....armor or a boxed up super structure wasn't really necessary honestly. the city shield was literally the single most powerful shield ever designed. part of that is the shape itself, as it enables it to redirect the energy of an impact just as they would bend light waves to make an object appear invisible. with an impenetrable shield that could withstand a sustained bombardment indefinitely and the capacity to rotate the zpm's so that at least 2 of the 3 were active at all times.....they would never have to drop the shield. so in that sense, there was less concern of arrogance when they had the means to protect themselves without sacrificing the aesthetic elegance of a beautiful city. the transport thing though.....definitely. one would thing those would naturally be shielded, with the cloak being optional....but eh. far as fighters and such.....they never really said none existed for that specific purpose. however, when their larger ships could easily carry a decent compliment of the jumpers, a specific fighter role was less needed among a race that aimed for peace. the jumpers themselves can easily fill such a role in all applicable respects, while remaining multi-role with the transport capacity as well. a fighter specific role would then be pointless, as it would never rival the agility and versatility of the drones, which were far more effective than any fighter could ever hope to be.....plus saved them from sacrificing fighter pilots.
@@martinw4330 they should have used the time machine to go back in time to a point before they encounter the wraith, and wiped out their home world and them before they got into space.
@@WarGrowlmon18 so many websites are building in obtrusive design elements these days, I have resorted to using an adblocker and blocking each individual element that i dont want to see. Though I use a desktop not sure how that works on a phone or mobile device
There wasn't an "original" timeline on Stargate in a very long time due to time meddling. Some events left behind definitive proof such as this one and the events of the Stargate SG1 season 8 2 part finale. Others didn't such as Stargate Continuum which involved the bad guy (Stargate's most recurring and long-lived villain) changing the past and the main characters, due to being in-transit during a wormhole travel (fleeing the changes going on around them) ending up in the alternate timeline that was created. At the end of the movie, most of the characters died, but one managed to travel back in time to 10 years before the past was altered (a lack of time due to enemy attack and the lack of real precision with the time machine they used meant that that was the best they could do in the time that they had) and when the time came, ambushed the bad guy as he arrived to change the past. Incidentally he arrived on a ship captained by this guy's grandfather who died in the attack in the alternate timeline which meant he never existed there. Anyway, he stopped the bad guy from changing the past and FINALLY killed him (it was about time too!!!) and history resumed its normal course. In the present, things went as they should and the main characters remained forever unaware that a timeline shift had occurred because for them, it didn't. The only clue left behind was in the locker of the guy who had corrected the timeline, a picture of his grandfather beside his grandfather's ship had changed to include his alternate timeline self.
i like stargate atlantis because it was the only stargate series to have an actually ending (within the series itself) wither or not the ending was any good is up for debate but at least it had an ending
Well, never wake up is wrong, they woke up later, when there is enough food/humans for everyone (+- ) and they don't start fight between each other for food and stay focused on destroying everything that could be in their way(advanced civilizations, alliances etc.) and go back to hibernation, when they eat enough.
No, it wouldn't. It was shown, even in Atlantis, that inertia is needed to pass the horizon. Water filling up and surrounding the gate probably wouldn't have the inertia required to go through the gate, but it would if the water were moving at some velocity directly at the gate.
@@andyt2k Actually there is significant force/inertia needed for certain things to go through the gate. There was a episode in which Ford and Rodney were stuck in a jumpship in the gate. And in order to fully pass through they needed to blow the hatch to create enough force/inertia to pass through. Water simply wouldn't have the required force unless to was blowing straight at the gate maybe. But instead the room was simply filling up without much force to the direction of the gate.
It's a shame that Stargate never had any Myriad Universe novels like Star Trek does. I imagine that this timeline could be drastically different. For example, if I'm right, Stargate Command wouldn't have had a ZPM for both the Ancient Outpost and the Odyssey without the Daedalus's encounter with the Ancient Cruiser. And what about a timeline where the ZPMs were rotated, but the failsafe was not implemented? Forcing the entire Atlantis expedition to flee to Athos, as they originally feared they would have to? That, or the Athosians to drown with the expedition (that one bummer of an ending, though I suppose not as much as being constantly hunted by the Wraith).
There's novels for both Stargate SG1 and Atlantis. A lot of them. So many cool stories!!! Several time travel stories usually through the Time Jumper though one was through future characters using another of Janus' time travel devices and was a sequel/conclusion to the Aschen storyline started in SG1. One is an SG1 adventure with the gang getting involved in the Roswell incident due to time travel with the Time Jumper sent on that adventure by a future version of Carter and what turns out in the end to be HG Wells himself. Then there's the Stargate Apocalypse Trilogy where SG1 gets stranded on a post-apocalyptic future Earth and caught up in the middle of a war between the Goa'uld and the Wraith who arrived using Atlantis 40 years after Earth fell. That future was caused by SG1 getting sent to the future before O'Neill could expose the rogue NID operation in season 3. Without that mission, Earth was removed from the Protected Planets Treaty and fell to the Goa'uld. O'Neill and Carter used the Time Jumper to correct the timeline but it was an Avengers Endgame type situation: changing the past didn't affect their future. So they returned to the future and helped free the Earth from the Goa'uld and helped a Wraith faction that wanted to return to Pegasus take over Atlantis. At the end of the story, O'Neill used Atlantis to return the Wraith to Pegasus while the others set up a new SGC and helped begin rebuilding the planet.
I wonder if the council member next to Moros was supposed to be Ganos Lal since she is also the narrator of the holo display in rising, just that she was recast.
Sarah James So what? The 3 ZPMs would hold out long enough for them to jump to hyperspace. Afterwards, it wouldn’t be a problem. Theoretically, they could use 6 ZPMs or more! As well, even if they left by gate, why not take some puddle jumpers and other tech with them?
So if Weir got on safe Atlantis, she never went back to get the failsafes installed. Thus the timeline changed and she had to get back in time. But she changed it, so didn't have to go back. GREAT SCOTT, 1.21 JIGGAWATTS
Probably wouldn't have worked with the Wraith still on the doorstep. They never really explained why the Wraith took off after the Ancients left since the city was still there.
So In the Original Timeline since the whole expedition team drowned the wraith would have gone to the Atosian village as scheduled they would have captured more ppl or all. All the ppl that they save died or scattered somewhere. Todd would have still be held by the Geni At one point Ronin would have been recaptured the OG Shepard and Zelenka probably have been beam on board with one of the Wraith darts. The Wraith would have known the location of Earth because of Zelenka and Shepard. The SG1 team and SG Command would have more enemies to deal with. That just my theory.
Without Sheppard meeting Teyla and activating the tracker her necklace was made from the Wraith wouldn't have culled the village when they did. There would have been no rescue mission, the Keepers woutld have woken all the Wraith and they would have stayed in hibernation for decades more. With the Wraith still hibernating the Genii wouldn't have felt the pressure to speed up their plans so who knows if they would have captured a Wraith (especially since that was lead by Koyla and we have no idea if he would have been in a similar position to put that plan into action if the expedition wasn't around to influence Genii politics). I'm also pretty sure that Sheppard and Zelenka died in the firefight so they wouldn't have given anything to the Wraith about earth. I also don't see why they would have been brought before a queen to be interrogated if they had been captured, I don't think the Wraith bring every human they catch to the queen. Ronan would still have been a runner though and probably would have died eventually.
If I was an Ancient....I would feel disappointed. What do you mean 10,000 years later and you don't have flying Aurora-class ships all over the Milky Way Galaxy ?! Did you at least colonize those planets in Earth's solar system ?!
One of the more horrible episodes. Imagine devoting your entire life span to waking, going around turning ZPM:s, the going to sleep again. Rince repeat. How long is your own day? How do you spend it? How about spending every single waking moment of your entire life walking around turning ZPM:s. Living hell.
@@Quimper111 A horrible life yes but not a horrible episode. She basically gave herself and the rest of the Atlantis expedition a second chance. And that is something worth dying for.
In one of the Stargate novels in which a reactivated Ancient experiment creates a series of fractured realities, one features this Weir who got stuck out of stasis and eventually went insane from loneliness. She ends up getting dragged into an adventure to set things right with Sheppard, Weir and an alternate version of Sheppard. When they are trying to escape a flooding cave and only 2 of them can make it out, the alternate Weir and Sheppard sacrifice themselves. In one of the best moments of the book I think, Sheppard I think it was reminds her that's she's nuts so they shouldn't listen to her suggestions and she responds that even insane people can have moments of clarity and she ended up in that position in the first place because of her willingness to sacrifice herself to ensure the survival of those she cares about.
@@gamerboiiiiiii A different pressure apply in sea and space. They have to make it clear that this ship is build for sea and space and to much time past im not gonna search it now...
I loved Atlantis, but I never understood how them arriving was so catastrophic, especially since McKay specifically says power would have lasted a lot longer if they didn't. Constantly running a shield holding back an oceans worth of water at crush depth for thousands of years: Fine. Also running the lights and computer consoles: Overtaxes the ZPM's Life support systems MUST have remained active or there wouldn't have been a hospitable atmosphere when they first arrived (you could maybe make an argument that the city was purged of bacteria etc and so the air just stayed there, but it also seems to be climate controlled), so literally all they're really doing is turning on the lights and opening the automatic doors. After the city rises, they can run all of these basic systems on Naquada generators which, compared to ZPM's, might as well be a potato with some electrodes stuck in it. Also, instead of rotating the ZPM's, couldn't they have just programmed the shield to sacrifice the outer sections of the city almost immediately and let the power that saved over the following thousands of years do the extra work?
Not even sacrifice tbh, Atlantis shouldn't have flooded tbh, they have shutters on windows and the doors seal 😂😂@4:30 you can see water right against the window and the shutter closing
@@NicoDiAngelo603 There is, arguably, a reason for that: Atlantis was built to be a spaceship, so these seals are only designed to contain oxgyen in the event of shield failure/hull breaches. While this is all well and good in space, the standards required for that are *much* lower than the standards required to hold back water when it's pressing down with the weight of an entire ocean. This would make sense since the Ancients are actually quite well known for building physically fragile vessels which value aesthetics and the amount of advanced technology they can carry over the ability to take a beating, then they just plug in a few ZPM's and project a basically invulnerable shield around it.
This spin off was very underated and should have had more seasons. The science if fun to dream about. After watching this show I read a tonne more science books and online learning .If you biiuld a car engine that draws hydrogen from the air then converts that into work done. The car would never need to re-feul and reduce global warming.
They didn’t die out they were evolving toward ascension. Though that story line is messed up too since the idea I got from ascension was that they had progressed beyond human foibles but then n reality they were all pretty arrogant and still messing up. Soooo….🤷♀️
This scene is really powerful and all, but it makes no sense whatsoever. If she told the ancients about the shield collapsing and they added a failsafe mechanism, that would rise the city to the surface, then there's no point in her staying there and switching the ZPMs. Even if the power goes down quicker that way, the city will emerge anyways.
The ZPM switching is necessary to maintain the shield from collapsing; otherwise the city would be flooded by the time the Atlantis Expedition arrived and the Stargate would have just opened into water. It would have been like SG-1 epside 407 (Watergate) when the Stargate opens into the ocean. The expedition would have been unable to colonize the area because the number of people and materials to set up a colony could not fit into enough submarines small enough to get through the gate. Conversely, if the failsafe acted the moment that the shields failed, then the city would be exposed to the Wraith who would land and discover how to use the Atlantis Stargate to get to Earth.
How so? When the first expedition arrived, the shield was still very much active without anyone switching ZPMs. And seeing how Elizabeth actually came from the future, the Anciens new exactly how long the shield would last and they wouldn't have to worry about the wraith.
Right, but in that reality, the shield did not also have to keep Elizabeth alive in stasis. So, all three ZPMs could keep the water out until the Atlantis expedition arrived.
VojtounCZ because it took an enormous amount of power to raise the city and if Elizabeth never stayed to rotate the ZPMs then the city would not have had enough power to raise from the ocean
How did so many cultures in the shows speak English in the present??? The world may never know. Two of the Ancients in this episode played major roles in both shows: Janus of course and Merlin. I always liked Janus. Him and his experiments have always been a big part of the series and the book series based around it. In the book series the Wraith are revealed to be a failed Ancient experiment. Not really a big surprise there, but one of the books identify Janus specifically as the one responsible for that.
How about it’s a tv show and the audience didn’t really want to read subtitles for five seasons. Of all the points to be annoyed by this is a strange one to care about.
When they finally go back home after all their battles finally over they find one last unopened room 500 spare zpms
That'd have been hilarious.
It makes absolutely zero sense for you to design your intergalactic city ship to run completely on batteries, why didn't they use some sort of power generator like on their aurora class battleships. ZPM's as a back-up and/or auxilliary power source yes, as your sole means of power no.
@I RuBiiX I They clearly were in short supply though and not at all easy to make. They never found any spare ZPMs in Atlantis, nor the equipment to manufacture new ones. If the Ancients could have easily made new ZPMs they would never have lost the war. They could have stayed in Atlantis under the ocean indefinitely regardless of the Wraith seige / bombardment, keeping the shield strong with an endless supply of ZPMs. Since that didn't happen we have to conclude that ZPMs were rare and difficult to make and since they are eventually depleted the Ancients are essentially running their city on batteries. It's also safe to assume that at the very least you need a greater than ZPM level power source in order to manufacture a ZPM since energy can't be made from nothing. A proper power generation system with a renewable fuel source (such as fusion reactors running on ocean water) would have been far more sensible.
Be even funnier if McKay was suppose to check on it but forgot.
@I RuBiiX I You've just invalidated your own point, you said and I quote "The Ancients obviously had the ability to make them fairly easily so it wasn't like they would be in short supply." As to their ships, they weren't powered by ZPMs, they had their own power generators, they didn't have entired defensive fortresses powered by them, we saw 1 other Atlantis type city ship powered by ZPMs and 1 EM device that kept the children safe powered by a ZPM.
As to winning the war, they didn't have to if they had easy access to a supply of ZPMs, they could have just outlasted the Wraith like any defender tries to in a seige. Now if their city hadn't been powered by the cosmic equivalent of AA batteries, and instead had a proper power generating infrastructure with ZPMs as back up / aux power they would have been in a lot better situation. They could have kept the shield up and waited until the Wraith got bored and gave up or fell to their usual in-fighting after depopulating the Pegasus galaxy and running out of food.
The ancients gambled their city on a single, exhaustable power supply with no redundancy, a fatal mistake that cost them the city and the galaxy. It is just bad design having your entire power system based around a single point of failure. Look at a typical city on Earth, a large distributed power grid serviced by multiple substations around the city and supplied by multiple power plants connected to the city at different points. The loss of any single power plant won't black out the city and failure of parts of the grid stays confined to local zones. Where as in Atlantis we have seen the opposite, single point of power source, damage to one part of the grid taking down the whole city.
The only reason for the ancients losing and fleeing back to earth given in the TV show is that the Wraith vastly out-numbered them. This doesn't really make a lot of sense because we know that after the ancients left Atlantis the Wraith eventually give up on their seige and go and hibernate or something which makes zero strategic sense. There's no reason the Wraith couldn't and wouldn't have pressed the attack on Atlantis, there's no reason to assume the Wraith knew that the ancients had evacuated, I doubt they sent the Wraith a message telling them and the Wraith said "k, thx bye", and then go off to sleep somewhere. The Wraith should have pressed the attack, collapsed the shield and gotten the ancient's superior technology and possibly the way to Earth and the Milky Way.
Honestly probably my favorite character was McKay, and i loved seeing moments where his true heroic side comes out. We see it when he puts on the personal shield and walks into the alien fog, when he lies to the heavily armed Geni to try and get them to evacuate in The Storm, but mostly here. Where he spends his last moment trying to save others. We can see that under the phobia and fear, this is a man who would give his life for his team.
He was a coward when it was convenient. But he still wanted to do the right thing. He just wanted the right thing to be what he preferred to happen. Which is why He allowed a solar system to be destroyed.............................
@@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo Five-sixths of a solar system, but it's not an exact science.
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they had a bloody time machine, why not use to to go back to prevent the wraith from even startiung lol
could have used the time machine to prevent the birth of the wraith in the first place
Makes total sense - you're under siege by an enemy, the LAST thing you want is for the defenses to default open. Thus the city would sooner drown than reveal itself to the Wraith, until they changed history.
@Patrick McMahon I'm not talking about how the shield interacted with wraith weaponry, I'm talking about why the Ancients decided to keep Atlantis tethered to the ocean floor rather than let it float to the surface when the shield ran out.
Make sense, they could get their technology and become bigger treat.
Would also make sense though that the ancients in their mighty intellect would design the main tower and some other buildings to be able to withstand the pressure of the ocean haha. Why build a city as a ship but not make the buildings capable of withstanding the vacuum of space or an ocean if the shield ever fails. No sense haha.
Atlantic could house a million people. If the shield ever failed randomly or was shut down by a sabatour when under water in space .. a million deaths
So, what you're telling me is that Stargate Atlantis is like Dragonball Z in that the timeline the show takes place in isn't actually the original one, but is in fact the "good" timeline. And that everyone just died in the original timeline.
exactly :D
Pretty much yeah. A LOT of time travel involved in Stargate. There hasn't been an "original" timeline in a very long time. Sometimes there's evidence afterwards of history being changed (the two-part season 8 ending of SG1 for example and the episode Time of SGU) but other times not so much. Stargate Continuum for example. The main characters remained completely unaware at the end that time had been changed, although in their case, corrected. The only evidence was a picture on one of the main character's lockers that originally showed just his grandfather (played by the same actor in the movie) now showing his grandfather and his alternate timeline self who had repaired the past and in the process, killed one of Stargate's most recurring villains.
Everyone except her.
Was just thinking there is a sound at 0:46 that I am certain is taken from dbz when people do their wooshes, must be a conspiracy
There are more layers to it than that, but that is the case in this episode.
Both SG-1s Moebius episodes, as well as the sequel movie continuum, have a triple layer setup, as opposed to the double layer here.
-this puddle jumper has had an additional time component added.
"a Flux capacitor"
-uhm yea
Had me smiling.
actually got that funny understanding moment with the actor at the SG convention a few years ago. forgive if I don't recall the actor's real names right now.
I was getting up to shepherd in the autograph lines....and the actor for Beckett was on the other side. he was spending so much time talking with people, that his line was barely moving. shepherd hollered over to him "they want your autograph, not a conversation" (or something to that effect).
right when he said that, I just sarcastically tossed in "hell, just borrow Ronin's gun and stun him with it..."
without missing a beat....shepherd looks right at me saying "I like you." in his usual tone when you're on the same page as him lol
The friendly Ancient lady's the one that left the message they found in the first episode upon arriving on Atlantis.
And the dude next to her is Merlin. The same Merlin whom SG1 team meet.
@@Medivhmen Yep
I always feel like that friendly ancient lady left that message specifically for the Atlantis expedition because even as she refused to help Weir get back she knew that Janus was going to disobey the council and help Weir
@@cya2139 Janus was forced to change the protocols to reduce energy usage. it was also put to limit use per zpm.
Weir really had a bad end. multiple times in Atlantis
Yeah I was happy when I read about her in the novels. They are official, so what happens to her in them is Canon. You should check them out if you want more Atlantis, they're really great.
@@michaelheath2866 what novels? are these the comics or something else
@@farscape1714 Here's a list from wikipedia, currently 24 Atlantis novels, which you can probably find on Amazon if you want - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stargate_literature#Based_on_the_television_series
Each time she saved the city
@@samcarter2371 Make safe this CITY!!!
you know i wasn't a fan of doctor weir in the beginning but she grew on me and proved herself a reputable leader. Not to mention she is attractive in a very classic kind of way.
We must get Atlantis to precisely 88 miles per hour to generate 1.21 gigawatts
And we need to steal Plutonium from the Replicator for the drive.
Don't be ridiculous. Everybody knows that you need to get to Warp 9 while slingshotting around the sun in a very precisely calculated parabola.
Dude that's heavy. Especially when you could just go with the obvious fix and have Superman fly around the planet really, really fast. Also, Carson is super hot.
GREAT SCOT !
g00gle minus
No just use sensor readings from Borg sphere traveling back in time and you’re set.
I've always felt something hauntingly sad about this episode.
What a great episode. Going back to see the original Lantians and seeing how bad things might have been. I remember Rodney feeling some small amount of pride in the fact that he had been willing to make the sacrifice move in the previous timeline. And then it ties back to SG-1 since cool guy Lantian Janus went on to build another DeLorean that SG-1 found.
And I remember Rodney being very "Dr. McKay" when Back to the Future was brought up.
I always thought that this was his one time machine. he was ordered to destroy it but either disassembled it and took it with him or smuggled it whole when they left atlantis.
If i was the prior Weir "Uh theres something else. We come through in 10,000 years but we dont have a way to get home. If there was a spare, then the next time my team show up, they have an out incase this enemy returns. And a way to fight back."
@@AzguardMike well, she only had janus to assist her. the council didnt want to alter the timeline and the zpms were regulated and fairly sparse even back then.
Then wier makes the whole Atlantis and sg1 shows obsolete by telling them 2 things after they go to milky way seed the galaxy with gates on ever habitable world they find they either do 1 of 3 thing go extinct, breed with humans passing the ancient gene's in certain people or ascend for immortality like the ori they fled b4 pegasus and choose to watch and not act as a parasite takes human hosts and conquers milky way leaving humans as slaves like they leave humans in pegasus as livestock for wraith.
I got a time machine when did u screw with wraith DNA and evolve them and wat world were they found on ......boom no war in pegasus. No go'auld rise in milky way. Heck she could save the asgard b4 they do copy of copy of copys and destroy themselves genetically and warn both from making replicators.....dundundun only the ori remain and they 5 races can prep for their coming
"Question is where's the time machine now" - Yeah, I don't know, maybe the SG1 is creating some paralel timelines with it by traveling to Ancient Egypt
Nah real question is why didn't the alterans use the machine to travel back to before they arrived on the world with the bug tell the past ones to just pop over in a few ships and bombard the planet from orbit and red list it permanently
@@primezero86 then we did not have such a illogical but great show) you guys are trying to find a logic in tv-show where all things lead to make current plot happen. Did you ever ask yourself how bunch of humans with tiny knowledge of what they are doing could defeat goa'ulds, three kinds of replicators, ory, wraith and lots of other minor enemies, where ancients, asgard and other advanced races totally or partly failed, cause writers wanted them to win) and logic is a last thing they think about. When i watch any show i just switch off my analyzing part of brain and enjoy that crap which happens on the screen. Good actors, nice pics and interesting plot twist are just enough for me to forget my everyday problems and get some rest
Cause they had the highest luck stat
Zara Stark why did we win? Because we are dumber than those other races that tried. DUH
They could've done a whole thing with going back to Egypt around time stargate was buried ie SG1 incited the rebellion
Now is the time to fix this problem. We will do it yesterday.
God I miss this show.
That was a really good episode
Kind of reminds me of B5 where the original commander went back in time and had a pivotal role in history to play.
"Pivotal role" You mean one of the biggest HOLY SHIT moments in all of B5? Hell, look at Marcus when he realizes what's going to happen.
1 of my favourite episodes
Shepherd: *Flux capacitor*
McKay: *........ Yeah*
Me: *finding it more amusing than I really should*
I always thought these ancients, were to arrogant for their own good. Just like the towlands. Very advanced yes. But ultimately their arrogance was their undoing.
too* their*
The Tollans you mean.
And yes. What race of arrogant schmucks design their cities designed to fly through space to be dependent on shields?
Or leaves their transports practically defenseless? Why didn't the Ancients have Interceptors and Assault Fighters if they were running out of materials to build Cruisers?
@@assemblyrequired7342 far as the cities.....armor or a boxed up super structure wasn't really necessary honestly. the city shield was literally the single most powerful shield ever designed. part of that is the shape itself, as it enables it to redirect the energy of an impact just as they would bend light waves to make an object appear invisible.
with an impenetrable shield that could withstand a sustained bombardment indefinitely and the capacity to rotate the zpm's so that at least 2 of the 3 were active at all times.....they would never have to drop the shield. so in that sense, there was less concern of arrogance when they had the means to protect themselves without sacrificing the aesthetic elegance of a beautiful city.
the transport thing though.....definitely. one would thing those would naturally be shielded, with the cloak being optional....but eh.
far as fighters and such.....they never really said none existed for that specific purpose. however, when their larger ships could easily carry a decent compliment of the jumpers, a specific fighter role was less needed among a race that aimed for peace. the jumpers themselves can easily fill such a role in all applicable respects, while remaining multi-role with the transport capacity as well. a fighter specific role would then be pointless, as it would never rival the agility and versatility of the drones, which were far more effective than any fighter could ever hope to be.....plus saved them from sacrificing fighter pilots.
@@martinw4330 they should have used the time machine to go back in time to a point before they encounter the wraith, and wiped out their home world and them before they got into space.
@@johnchristina1340 don't be nitpicky.
This was a sad episode:(
How I am supposed to watch the last 20 seconds if 4 pop ups are present? Dumb move
Damn thing's been doing that for a long time.
@@WarGrowlmon18 so many websites are building in obtrusive design elements these days, I have resorted to using an adblocker and blocking each individual element that i dont want to see. Though I use a desktop not sure how that works on a phone or mobile device
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They should've set battery save mode before leaving.
So it's like Dragonball Z, where the featured timeline is the result of an attempt to avoid the destruction in the "real" timeline.
There wasn't an "original" timeline on Stargate in a very long time due to time meddling. Some events left behind definitive proof such as this one and the events of the Stargate SG1 season 8 2 part finale. Others didn't such as Stargate Continuum which involved the bad guy (Stargate's most recurring and long-lived villain) changing the past and the main characters, due to being in-transit during a wormhole travel (fleeing the changes going on around them) ending up in the alternate timeline that was created. At the end of the movie, most of the characters died, but one managed to travel back in time to 10 years before the past was altered (a lack of time due to enemy attack and the lack of real precision with the time machine they used meant that that was the best they could do in the time that they had) and when the time came, ambushed the bad guy as he arrived to change the past. Incidentally he arrived on a ship captained by this guy's grandfather who died in the attack in the alternate timeline which meant he never existed there. Anyway, he stopped the bad guy from changing the past and FINALLY killed him (it was about time too!!!) and history resumed its normal course. In the present, things went as they should and the main characters remained forever unaware that a timeline shift had occurred because for them, it didn't. The only clue left behind was in the locker of the guy who had corrected the timeline, a picture of his grandfather beside his grandfather's ship had changed to include his alternate timeline self.
Apparently stasis also provides you with food and water for life. Frozen or not you can't age a lifetime without nourishment
anyone else notice Merlin was on the council?
Two major Ancients in this episode: Merlin and Janus.
i like stargate atlantis because it was the only stargate series to have an actually ending (within the series itself)
wither or not the ending was any good is up for debate but at least it had an ending
1:39 so airtight bulkhead doors breached by the water pressure, but the glass holds?
Michael Smith That aint any old glass. That's Lantean glass!!!!
Unfortunately the bulkhead doors were still made in China back then.
Reminds me of a futurama joke; "how many atmospheres of pressure can the ship withstand? Its a space ship so anywhere between 0 and 1".
Michael Smith I thought it was revealed that the glass was actually force fields?
it's old and ancient and shit
Made of transparent magic
mcckay is a boss. sacrificing himself
Everyone drowned but Michael never rose to power, the mass Wraith never woke so Pegasus carried on plodding along as usual.
Well, never wake up is wrong, they woke up later, when there is enough food/humans for everyone (+- ) and they don't start fight between each other for food and stay focused on destroying everything that could be in their way(advanced civilizations, alliances etc.) and go back to hibernation, when they eat enough.
Sumner also got it easy the first time compared to what happened to him.
Dial another planet, the water would flow out the stargate
No, it wouldn't. It was shown, even in Atlantis, that inertia is needed to pass the horizon. Water filling up and surrounding the gate probably wouldn't have the inertia required to go through the gate, but it would if the water were moving at some velocity directly at the gate.
@@hellsgate09that water was flowing at a fair rate and it takes very very little force/inertia to pass through the gate,
@@andyt2k Actually there is significant force/inertia needed for certain things to go through the gate. There was a episode in which Ford and Rodney were stuck in a jumpship in the gate. And in order to fully pass through they needed to blow the hatch to create enough force/inertia to pass through. Water simply wouldn't have the required force unless to was blowing straight at the gate maybe. But instead the room was simply filling up without much force to the direction of the gate.
@@CarlosHuiskens They just needed some inertia/force to get through in that episode, people slowly move their hands in all the time
Only for 38 minutes..
@4:30 is the water right against that window before it seals?
It's a shame that Stargate never had any Myriad Universe novels like Star Trek does.
I imagine that this timeline could be drastically different. For example, if I'm right, Stargate Command wouldn't have had a ZPM for both the Ancient Outpost and the Odyssey without the Daedalus's encounter with the Ancient Cruiser.
And what about a timeline where the ZPMs were rotated, but the failsafe was not implemented? Forcing the entire Atlantis expedition to flee to Athos, as they originally feared they would have to? That, or the Athosians to drown with the expedition (that one bummer of an ending, though I suppose not as much as being constantly hunted by the Wraith).
when you think about it, in this timeline the wraith werent awakened :o
There's novels for both Stargate SG1 and Atlantis. A lot of them. So many cool stories!!! Several time travel stories usually through the Time Jumper though one was through future characters using another of Janus' time travel devices and was a sequel/conclusion to the Aschen storyline started in SG1. One is an SG1 adventure with the gang getting involved in the Roswell incident due to time travel with the Time Jumper sent on that adventure by a future version of Carter and what turns out in the end to be HG Wells himself. Then there's the Stargate Apocalypse Trilogy where SG1 gets stranded on a post-apocalyptic future Earth and caught up in the middle of a war between the Goa'uld and the Wraith who arrived using Atlantis 40 years after Earth fell. That future was caused by SG1 getting sent to the future before O'Neill could expose the rogue NID operation in season 3. Without that mission, Earth was removed from the Protected Planets Treaty and fell to the Goa'uld. O'Neill and Carter used the Time Jumper to correct the timeline but it was an Avengers Endgame type situation: changing the past didn't affect their future. So they returned to the future and helped free the Earth from the Goa'uld and helped a Wraith faction that wanted to return to Pegasus take over Atlantis. At the end of the story, O'Neill used Atlantis to return the Wraith to Pegasus while the others set up a new SGC and helped begin rebuilding the planet.
2:27 Flux Capacitor? I had no idea that Doc Brown was on this show.
I wonder if the council member next to Moros was supposed to be Ganos Lal since she is also the narrator of the holo display in rising, just that she was recast.
I wonder if they kept the city by the San Francisco Bay or they move it somewhere else did they ever go back to Pegasus
I don´t understand, why just Lanteans didn´t escape with Atlantis, they had 3 zpms?
They might have been intercepted by the wrath.
Sarah James So what? The 3 ZPMs would hold out long enough for them to jump to hyperspace. Afterwards, it wouldn’t be a problem. Theoretically, they could use 6 ZPMs or more! As well, even if they left by gate, why not take some puddle jumpers and other tech with them?
The giant Wraith fleet in the sky???
WarGrowlmon18 Didn’t you read any of the replies? I just answered that.
@@nousername5673 Nope
So if Weir got on safe Atlantis, she never went back to get the failsafes installed. Thus the timeline changed and she had to get back in time. But she changed it, so didn't have to go back.
GREAT SCOTT, 1.21 JIGGAWATTS
Shame she didnt have the ancient gene cause she could of fired up the engines and flew Atlantis to some other place.
Probably wouldn't have worked with the Wraith still on the doorstep. They never really explained why the Wraith took off after the Ancients left since the city was still there.
I would drown than get life sucked by the wraith
So In the Original Timeline since the whole expedition team drowned the wraith would have gone to the Atosian village as scheduled they would have captured more ppl or all. All the ppl that they save died or scattered somewhere. Todd would have still be held by the Geni At one point Ronin would have been recaptured the OG Shepard and Zelenka probably have been beam on board with one of the Wraith darts. The Wraith would have known the location of Earth because of Zelenka and Shepard. The SG1 team and SG Command would have more enemies to deal with. That just my theory.
Without Sheppard meeting Teyla and activating the tracker her necklace was made from the Wraith wouldn't have culled the village when they did. There would have been no rescue mission, the Keepers woutld have woken all the Wraith and they would have stayed in hibernation for decades more. With the Wraith still hibernating the Genii wouldn't have felt the pressure to speed up their plans so who knows if they would have captured a Wraith (especially since that was lead by Koyla and we have no idea if he would have been in a similar position to put that plan into action if the expedition wasn't around to influence Genii politics). I'm also pretty sure that Sheppard and Zelenka died in the firefight so they wouldn't have given anything to the Wraith about earth. I also don't see why they would have been brought before a queen to be interrogated if they had been captured, I don't think the Wraith bring every human they catch to the queen.
Ronan would still have been a runner though and probably would have died eventually.
Oh no ⚡️🍔
Drowned or life sucked by a wraith tough choice
6 months prior to this comment you said you would drown, but here you say it's a tough choice...hmmm?
idk, I think given that choice I'd hug a grenade
If I was an Ancient....I would feel disappointed. What do you mean 10,000 years later and you don't have flying Aurora-class ships all over the Milky Way Galaxy ?! Did you at least colonize those planets in Earth's solar system ?!
They got back to a harsh primitive world where they had no hope of rebuilding their society.
When someone speake of your death while in your presence.....weir(d)
One of the more horrible episodes. Imagine devoting your entire life span to waking, going around turning ZPM:s, the going to sleep again. Rince repeat. How long is your own day? How do you spend it? How about spending every single waking moment of your entire life walking around turning ZPM:s. Living hell.
She only had to do that once every 3000 years, the rest of the time was spent in stasis, slowly aging.
Uh.. that's.. slightly less horrible, but horrible none the less. :(
@@Quimper111 A horrible life yes but not a horrible episode. She basically gave herself and the rest of the Atlantis expedition a second chance. And that is something worth dying for.
Imagine waking up and suddenly you're a few decades older
In one of the Stargate novels in which a reactivated Ancient experiment creates a series of fractured realities, one features this Weir who got stuck out of stasis and eventually went insane from loneliness. She ends up getting dragged into an adventure to set things right with Sheppard, Weir and an alternate version of Sheppard. When they are trying to escape a flooding cave and only 2 of them can make it out, the alternate Weir and Sheppard sacrifice themselves. In one of the best moments of the book I think, Sheppard I think it was reminds her that's she's nuts so they shouldn't listen to her suggestions and she responds that even insane people can have moments of clarity and she ended up in that position in the first place because of her willingness to sacrifice herself to ensure the survival of those she cares about.
She wasn't in stasis, if she was she wouldn't have aged, except for the times she had to wake up in order to adjust the zpms.
The Ancients' stasis technology doesn't stop aging, it only slows it down. Weir aged about 50 years over the 10,000 year span.
Ah plot logic in movies. A space ship gonna leak water and doors are useless...
Its not ... MEANT to go under water... the city was designed to be airtigjt sure but ... its supposed to use the sheild wjile its in space
@@gamerboiiiiiii A different pressure apply in sea and space. They have to make it clear that this ship is build for sea and space and to much time past im not gonna search it now...
They addressed this when Rodney got stuck in the ocean. Pressure matters.
ZPM are just rick mirco verse
I loved Atlantis, but I never understood how them arriving was so catastrophic, especially since McKay specifically says power would have lasted a lot longer if they didn't.
Constantly running a shield holding back an oceans worth of water at crush depth for thousands of years: Fine.
Also running the lights and computer consoles: Overtaxes the ZPM's
Life support systems MUST have remained active or there wouldn't have been a hospitable atmosphere when they first arrived (you could maybe make an argument that the city was purged of bacteria etc and so the air just stayed there, but it also seems to be climate controlled), so literally all they're really doing is turning on the lights and opening the automatic doors. After the city rises, they can run all of these basic systems on Naquada generators which, compared to ZPM's, might as well be a potato with some electrodes stuck in it.
Also, instead of rotating the ZPM's, couldn't they have just programmed the shield to sacrifice the outer sections of the city almost immediately and let the power that saved over the following thousands of years do the extra work?
Not even sacrifice tbh, Atlantis shouldn't have flooded tbh, they have shutters on windows and the doors seal 😂😂@4:30 you can see water right against the window and the shutter closing
@@NicoDiAngelo603 There is, arguably, a reason for that: Atlantis was built to be a spaceship, so these seals are only designed to contain oxgyen in the event of shield failure/hull breaches. While this is all well and good in space, the standards required for that are *much* lower than the standards required to hold back water when it's pressing down with the weight of an entire ocean.
This would make sense since the Ancients are actually quite well known for building physically fragile vessels which value aesthetics and the amount of advanced technology they can carry over the ability to take a beating, then they just plug in a few ZPM's and project a basically invulnerable shield around it.
@@NicoDiAngelo603 the window was probably the only one sealable due to Janus learning about the flooding and damage from pressure.
This spin off was very underated and should have had more seasons. The science if fun to dream about.
After watching this show I read a tonne more science books and online learning
.If you biiuld a car engine that draws hydrogen from the air then converts that into work done. The car would never need to re-feul and reduce global warming.
This was great but freaky
I don't know why the ancients all died out, more of them would have stayed and the pop would have grown a shit ton
They didn’t die out they were evolving toward ascension. Though that story line is messed up too since the idea I got from ascension was that they had progressed beyond human foibles but then n reality they were all pretty arrogant and still messing up. Soooo….🤷♀️
This shit would be way better if the video would end with no pop ups
Damn thing has been doing that for years with videos.
This scene is really powerful and all, but it makes no sense whatsoever. If she told the ancients about the shield collapsing and they added a failsafe mechanism, that would rise the city to the surface, then there's no point in her staying there and switching the ZPMs. Even if the power goes down quicker that way, the city will emerge anyways.
The ZPM switching is necessary to maintain the shield from collapsing; otherwise the city would be flooded by the time the Atlantis Expedition arrived and the Stargate would have just opened into water. It would have been like SG-1 epside 407 (Watergate) when the Stargate opens into the ocean. The expedition would have been unable to colonize the area because the number of people and materials to set up a colony could not fit into enough submarines small enough to get through the gate.
Conversely, if the failsafe acted the moment that the shields failed, then the city would be exposed to the Wraith who would land and discover how to use the Atlantis Stargate to get to Earth.
How so? When the first expedition arrived, the shield was still very much active without anyone switching ZPMs. And seeing how Elizabeth actually came from the future, the Anciens new exactly how long the shield would last and they wouldn't have to worry about the wraith.
Right, but in that reality, the shield did not also have to keep Elizabeth alive in stasis. So, all three ZPMs could keep the water out until the Atlantis expedition arrived.
So that's one more reason why she staying there makes no sense :D
VojtounCZ because it took an enormous amount of power to raise the city and if Elizabeth never stayed to rotate the ZPMs then the city would not have had enough power to raise from the ocean
And how did they speak our English 10,000 years ago?
How did so many cultures in the shows speak English in the present??? The world may never know. Two of the Ancients in this episode played major roles in both shows: Janus of course and Merlin. I always liked Janus. Him and his experiments have always been a big part of the series and the book series based around it. In the book series the Wraith are revealed to be a failed Ancient experiment. Not really a big surprise there, but one of the books identify Janus specifically as the one responsible for that.
**MAGIC**
@@WarGrowlmon18 In universe lore is the Gates impart some kind of universal translation to those that travel through them.
How about it’s a tv show and the audience didn’t really want to read subtitles for five seasons. Of all the points to be annoyed by this is a strange one to care about.
The water is the shield
Sci fi shows love depicting that biblical cosmology of flat earth with a dome separation of waters below from waters above.
Saberian Dream
Technically, There are hills, mtns, valleys, etc
Saberian Dream pear 🍐 shaped.
in the end Atlantis are coward.
Too much talking
Little action
Repetitive stories
Go away
You clicked on the video
The stories are fine