Passing Judgement (Male Exile)
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- The male exile version of the Jedi Council confrontation scene. The handmaiden is featured prominently.
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#StarWars #KOTOR2 #Expandeduniverse - Hry
-You were deafened.
-At last, you could hear.
-You were broken.
-You were whole.
-You were blinded.
-And, at last... you saw.
It baffles me a bit how Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell were so sympathetic towards the exile and then in this meeting they just say "Yeah we're cutting you off from the force and then kicking you out."
Probably lying to them, or hiding what they suspected.
@@Kainlarsen I think Vrook is something of a corrupting influence among the council. He complains in KotOR I about either Bastila or Revan (perhaps both!) being willful and headstrong, but is himself much more so -- stuck in his own ways and very unwilling to admit fault or acknowledge new truths. It would not surprise me if he had convinced Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell to side with him.
In this dialogue he chides the Exile for dominating the will of others, but that may be exactly what he does himself, and he projects that blame elsewhere to shield himself from criticism. The light side version of the Exile doesn't dominate their party's wills, but inspires them, and lends them strength. The darkness that Vrook saw in the Exile may have just been darkness he saw in himself and the Jedi, but was never earnestly willing to face.
All of the Jedi masters we meet in KotOR II -- Atris, Kavar, Vrook, and Zez-Kai Ell -- still maintain the beliefs they had during the Mandalorian Wars, and Atris is the only one who will ever come to doubt those beliefs when she is made to face the Exile after her own fall. The Exile learns through Kreia, and through exploring the war-touched worlds; Atris learns through the first-hand experience of falling to the dark side, and realizing it was her dedication to the Jedi that led her there when the Exile forgives her. The rest of the council? They hid away, and pointed the finger of blame at the Exile when she came to ask for help against the Sith threat.
In some way, Vrook, Kavar, and Zez-Kai Ell had fallen too. Jedi supposedly do not kill their prisoners, but they were willing to put the Exile to a punishment that they knew, from Malachor V, that scarcely any Jedi could survive -- severance from the Force.
I think Kavar loved a female Surik and thought of breeding with her.
@@jamesmurphy9577 Meetra leeched life, that is true, but Vrook Lamar lied by saying that she was a Dark lady of the Sith.
@@jamesmurphy9577 Yeah! He thought of Meetra Surik as defective and then lied to her (she was a threat to all living things) by telling her the truth (she cut herself off from the force)
"You must have noticed as you fought across all these planets killing hundreds, only to become more and more powerful. Why do you think that was?"
-cause this is a RPG?
really, I love they explain the progression system with lore.
I tought the same thing when I first heard that, it also explains why every character recibes the xp that only the party gains, because they are all bonded to the exile
danm talking about breaking the 4rth wall
I still greatly respect the writers of this game for their ability to tie game mechanics into the lore the way they did.
UUF, so he became more proficient, more skilled and overall better trained... WoW, that is totally unreal, how it could happen? 😮😮 I really can't imagine that, is it how it works in real world? That when you travel and overcome obstacles, you became "more skilled/proficient"? 😮😮
For those, who don't get it, it's sarcasm.
@@HanithSVK Oh, how delightful…..
"It is because you were... afraid."
In the end, what saved the exile was defiance of the Jedi code.
Stay tuned. Tomorrow I publish a new Kreia's Conundrums where I discuss this.
@Super Kat technically if the Exile had followed the Code, they would have died. So in cutting themselves off from the force, they defied the Jedi Code.
@Super Kat The Exile defied the council by going to war. The code is a Jedi's guide to understanding the force. By cutting themselves off from the force, the Exile broke that guide. If they had followed it, they wouldnt have feared death. Because there is no death, there is only the force. Kinda like how when Traya rips the force from the jedi at the end, they all choose to die instead of live without it.
@Super Kat The council died from having the force ripped from them. Kreia never wanted them dead, she only wanted them to see that life was possible without the force, which is why she holds the Exile in such high regards. The jedi couldn't accept or handle the weight of no longer feeling the force, so they chose death instead.
@Super Kat Nah, I think it looks like she chokes them because of the limited animations of the game, but the only thing she really does to them is rip the force out.
Once Brianna realizes what Kreia is, Kreia starts lying again.
"Congrats handmaiden you caught me! I'm a sith, yes sir, now take me to your mistress for judgement!"
But she didn't. Kreia was not Sith. She pretended to be, so the Exile could have one last opponent to test herself against, to complete their training. Everything Kreia did was always for the benefit of the Exile and the Galaxy at large.
@@DraculaCronqvist That’s what I always thought.
@@DraculaCronqvist She used it as a Tool rather then as an Allegiance, much like how she uses The Force. She is against The Force but uses it as a Tool to her own goals.
@@egeorgiades93 Correct. She wasn't Sith, she simply took that role for her purposes.
@@DraculaCronqvist I'm confused, she gave herself to the dark side of the force and called herself Darth Traya, she's technically a sith lord but not a real sith correct?
For some reason, Kreia's voice takes a different tone for each gender. For this Exile, she speaks with more anger. For the female, her tone is softer, but her disgust is more emphasized.
Visas Marr:
3:34 - "Something's wrong. I'll leave my meditation chamber to check it out"
7:59 - "Aha, I knew you were up to some..." *Force Choke and passes out *
12:49 - *Wakes up * "Uuuugh... Yep. This is why I never leave my room. I'm going back and wait for this to solve itself."
I love the irony of Vrook's statement: "Her teachings will cause you to fall as surely as [Revan] did." Kreia has already deconstructed the idea that Revan fell for only power. Perhaps he fell to protect the Republic for the greater good. Is Revan's fall so certain, Vrook?
Yet another example of the blindness of the Jedi Council.
I think what really happened was that Revan sensed the Sith influence on the Mandalorians and rather than wait for the influence to come too far he decided to seek it out by going to war. Malak probably was unaware of this, but when Revan found the true Sith Empire he realized that he had to force the Republic to either evolve, or die out completely and have a new order made to fight back. So he 'Fell' to play as the 'villain' but the Jedi Council for all their talk about seeing the 'true' threat were blinded by their arrogance and self-assured ways not seeing the actual threat until it would've been far too late.
Revan only turned to the Darkside only to prepare the galaxy against the True Sith. He knew the Jedi would be doomed to fall when the True Sith invade the galaxy. That makes more sense of why he turned into a Sith Lord than being a puppet of a Sith Emperor. In order to fight the Darkside, you have to understand it by becoming a Sith yourself.
@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 is it understanding to join the sith, or is it simply falling to it's influence?
As much as you gain understanding, your perspective is warped by the influence of the dark side, and of the sith.
The tragedy of the dark side is that many of its practitioners fall to it with good intentions, with the end result of them becoming as evil or worse than the dark siders they fight against.
Only those that are pragmatic enough to not let their emotions control them and have the sensibility to have self awareness seem to last the longest. In Revan’s case he was smart enough to know the full dangers of the Star forge and then destroy it when it served its purpose, but his embrace of it blinded him enough that a lot of his efficient and practical methods were still downright evil.
I honestly can't get enough of this scene and all it's variants. The culmination of all your travelling...
Sara Kessleman's (Kreia) voice acting is off the charts here
Kreia is probably de best "videogame voice" ever. it is so bealevable, so "true", when she speak its real
@@laurentguyot3362 what?
WOW Kreia's voice actress is amazing. That sort of laugh at 12:27 is amazing.
Hearing Kreia laugh, even if its briefly is very unsettling. Its like its unnatural.
Mirthless chuckle
So true. That one line was Oscar worthy
I love this game....it was ahead of it's time in so many ways.
ahead of its time? This is timeless, it will be a masterpeace forever
Planescape: Torment was way ahead of it's time. The KotOR II is walking on that path, since the some of the Torment's crew worked on this game too.
9:53 “How could you ever hope to know the threat you face, when you have never walked in the dark places of the galaxy. Faced War, and Death on such a scale..” I love Kreia so much, she was So Real.
Reminds me of a line Sidious said to Yoda in the novelization of RotS.
"You've spent so long in the light, you've forgotten how deep the shadow is."
Or something like that. What a great line.
Yeah, you can hear Kreia's anger/disapointment in that moment.
Zez Kai El had a kernel of wisdom, he knew that something was wrong and had to change, but he was too weak to act on what he felt. Too afraid to let go of what he had known and was attached to.
Kavar was a warrior, and could not see anything past the lenses of his warriors instinct. The subtleties of how the Jedi were poisoned and would ultimately fail if they stayed the course made no sense to him, so he fought to preserve what he knew under the guise of not knowing any alternative.
Vrook was too stubborn, too blind and lost in his ways to see the need for change and to see the flaws of the Jedi. In his stubbornness he put down everything else to preserve the myth that the Jedi were right in their ways.
In the end, when people don't know what to do they follow the most assertive, even when the most assertive is wrong and would lead to their doom.
Quite true. Also don't forget them & the other Jedi keep depending on the Force & they forget that they served it not them. The Force is cruel to them & Kreia/Darth Traya was right all along about the Jedi & Sith & it needs its betrayer to both side except cannot destroy the Force.
The arrogance had never left the Jedi. Their flaw ideas have them fail and turned them ignorant. They suspect something cause the Mandalorians, but they never investigate due to their way to manipulate others that they're all knowing. Their flaw code lasted until Luke Skywalker defeated the empire and rebuild the Jedi order. He did not just rebuild it he also reform their ways to become stronger. Luke freed the Jedi from arrogance and flaw.
I think the moral is to do your best to make sense of that intuition, that even though you know no other alternative, find it, through the feeling that you are wrong.
Wow, the Male Exile side has way better voice acting in certain parts. When Kreia intervenes with the Council at 9:14 and during her judgment speech at 11:50 she emphasizes different words in her speech, and I think it gives off more of an impact as opposed to the Female Exile side. Thanks for the upload, this was great
Von Armen I’ve thought this for a while, been difficult to find as all most videos are female exile
Von Armen
I think the female version is the “quiet anger” of Kreia, and the male version is the “loud anger” if you get what I’m saying.
Technically, Obsidian had planned for The Exile to be a Male canonically and if you play the game you'll see aspects of the story-line seem better in quality in a Male play-through, especially regarding Atris.
@@coinkidink9997 what happened
@@subjectnivleis7572 I think to balance out Revan being declared canon male they made Meetra Surik.
There aren't words to describe how criminally underrated this game is compared to the first.
The mixture of animations and VO for Kreia at the beginning of this when she stays behind does an amazing job of making her feel vulnerable, like the Old Woman she really is, and I love that they take the moment to do that just before she displays how deeply and terrifyingly *powerful* she is beneath the physically weak exterior.
I also love the detail that the Jedi Masters all stand with blazing lightsabers, but Kreia never so much as shows a weapon, as her power is so thoroughly in the Force.
Kreia in my opinion is the greatest female character ever in games. She’s literally perfect. So much wisdom and her voice acting is 1 of 1. I really hope if they remake the game, they bring back the same voice actress.
100% agree. I just hope they don't ruin it, if they do make a remake. She's 79 now, so hopefully sooner than later... kreia without this voice is not kreia.
Brianna to Kreia's face: "Did you not go to join him? "Kreia thinking: "gee whiz...blinder than the freakin Blind One"
Hahaha lol
I love reading the comments of this video, they're funny and also thought provoking.
The writing is good. Disney can't even come close to this.
Lucas has never come close to this...
The writing is GREAT.
Disney's excuse would probably be that it's too dark or too in depth to be made into a movie. 😒
@VS Unfortunately, no 🥺
Praise Chris Avellone
I love that they folded a regular run of the mill XP system into the story. Incredible game and so varied you could play it again and again
And they did it a decade before Undertale was even a thing.
"You were afraid"
Your life is the most valuable thing you'll ever have so live
"You had no choice"
I know you wanna hold on to the power but it's worthless if you're dead
Yep. That's me.
"You had no choice"
Milo Surik
So this is what happened while I was unconscious wow thanks Quinn
I love how when You use force sight Vrook is just lightly blue, and Kreia is lightly red. They are not totally devoted to one side of the Force
9:20 that delivery is amazing
This scene and the ending makes you wonder what the True Sith could of been in Kotor 3. How different they would be from the Sith Empire we got in Swtor.
Apparently they were supposed to be so much more powerful and also evil. They were supposed to be like the Shadows from Babylon 5 they believed in complete chaos and death on a scale probably worse then the Yuuzhan Vong were. And when Revan found them after the Mandalorian wars he was afraid of them because they could easily overrun the Republic and turn the entire Jedi Order to the Dark Side and he believed only reorganizing the Old Republic into his own Sith Empire was the only way to counter the True Sith. They were supposed to be so evil and destructive that they would shake the very nature of the Force and make it bleed like a Wound in the Force and devastated planets like Malachor V are only common to them.
Now this version of the True Sith is more terrifying and interesting then Vitiate's Sith Empire and I wished we got that version and Kotor 3 instead of Swtor.
It makes Palpatine and his empire look like a kid's tantrum when you talk like that.
The True Sith were more powerful and calamitous. They hate the force like Kreia that they want to destroy it and the galaxy that has it. This makes them more worse than the Sith Empire that is a knock off of the Galactic Empire.
@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689
I have to agree with that to a large extent though I thought of a context of some even greater power that is guiding them in the process.
@@thorshammer7883 a greater power than the force?
@@theblasteffect4499
I don't know about that exactly but something very powerful either way. It's an idea basically I would like to imagine while fitting the themes of Kreia's hatred of the Force.
3:08 “But war... war never changes”
“Truth is, Jedi; the game was rigged from the start” - Kreia
11:45 she really goes from 0 to 100 there, tell ya what.
Her frustration for the failure of the blind Jedi council who blindly taught students the wrong ways.
I love the colouring in her phrasing at 11:25: "...culminating in a final atrocity that nobody could walk away from. Save one." Kreia truly loved the Exile and what she represented - strength of will, and will to turn away from power that wasn't hers.
Overall the exile's story is way better when he's a guy. I think he has better interaction with his allies
Yet canonically, it is the female exlie.
@@you-5-iver804 either sex you choose its pretty much the same but the cannon is a female exile. That being the case regardless its still an awesome game and an even greater story. These Rey and Finn misfits that revealed/displayed such a weak history all the more a misguided and moronic view of a once great franchise. They just gave those who love these stories a concerning less intellegent view that accomplished as said no better here a wound in Star Wars. Its pathetic and could never even hold a candle to what this is. Rey would most likely lose her mind by trying to understand anything in SW in general. Make Star Wars great again will you! Lol no but seriously this is the most rarest and well conceived story(s) that have been well thought out and fine polished to a degree presentable to a standard they could present, at least with the short time they had available in the rush they had for development. That said these recent SW films with the goober Rey with her no training gap that made every movie she was in de-cannonized in my book. Read Darth Plaguies and then look at Rey Mysterio and Finnland and you can see how it relates more to Monty Python's the Holy Grail. Actually Holy Grail was better in story development at least they were original, as well as keeping a laugh they never once creating Rey's unique farce power known as dissapointment. Now that i think about it more Holy Grail was better in most everything accept graphics but anything Rey and Finn mind you is a regular dumbass (stormtrooper) who changes his allegance and who later falls for a fat lil troll who fucks his one moment to be useful in the 3 movies to act in sacrificing himself for what remained of the NR in TLJ, ha dross! All they have given is a full list of WTF stupid moments that give only horrid views of future events. All this in a galaxy not so familiar to us but logic says quitely to disney your dung pie of films just cant match up to it, its just not cannon.
Each playthrough does have different dialogue tones at least with i know for sure kreia's at certain times especially. That being said, it does make for a different experience all the while increasing this game's replay ability and you just feel you've gotten more bang for your buck.
The Exile was always meant to be a guy. It was Bioware coming in after the fact and canonizing the female exile despite it being the weaker story.
@@firstconsulvergil4200 Literally all of the promotional material and official trailer for the game supports that and it makes the dynamic with Atris much more interesting. Drew treated the Exile's character worse than Abdel Adrien in his novelization.
so...... basically the Exile is...... (spoilers below)
The Inverse version of Darth Nihilius , which means instead of Hungering for The Force, and feeding upon it, Exile truly Projects themselves upon others, sharing themselves - thus, making the others like the Exile, and in return - they understand and well, Follow them in return.
Do they follow the exile out of their own free will, or are they charmed/influenced enough to follow?
It's kind alike when someone is so very convincing that someone doesn't have a choice but to follow.
@@theblasteffect4499 well, they're obviously charmed/ attracted by/to the power of the Force- which Nihilius essentially drains all of- and the Exile shares knowledge of instead......
Hence why they're on the "opposite sides of the Force spectrum" really
The first videos of yours i stumbled across were your Kreia’s Conundrums videos and I’m pretty sure i watched almost all of them in a single day. I am always ecstatic to see people paying this game its dues, but you really outdid yourself with these videos, the passion you feel for this game is palpable and it is a joy to see, i wish you got more exposure, you definitely deserve it, i wish this game got more exposure. I hope things are going well for you in whatever your pursuits may be and i hope you are able to continue making videos if that’s what you desire. It’s the people like you who inspire me most, who despite odds and maybe even rationality decide to pursue what they are passionate about. Also I feel like you make great conversation and i think that’s something you should know.
Thank you, man. You're right. I'm very passionate about video games, RPGs, and this game in particular. Part of the reason I make these videos is because it deserves more exposure. More writers in the video game industry should be using KOTOR 2 as an example to follow. Video Games can be so much more, and they can tell stories in a way that no other form of media can. I hope more developers see this, and maybe I can help with these videos.
Edit: By the way, we can all do our part to make this game get more exposure. Share these videos with people you think it might interest.
These 3 jedi alone justify order 66 and isn't that a sad assessment
Luke skywalker reformed the new jedi order in legends
@@maleexile9053 I never said he didn't but that dosent change the fact that these 3 justify something as awful as order 66
How
@@JJoh4040 their punishing the exile essentially for being a living contradiction of the jedi code
@@Icebergeification It wasn't the same Jedi Order at all, it's over 3000 years in the future, i doubt the Prequel Era Council even knew about the mistakes of this council, and this era's Jedi got their "punishment" by the Triunvirate's own Jedi Purge, that is way more relevant in that sense.
Order 66 was more about the Sith's revenge for their extermination 1000 years ago.
Also, i wouldn't say the arrogance of the council members justifies the deaths of all the Jedi who were honest and fought hard to preserve life, just as the treatment of Anakin by Windu and the Council doesn't justify him murdering all the Jedi including Padawans and Younglings, by any moral standards, it isn't justice.
I wonder as to why Kreia has more passion in her voice when the exile is male when referring to the arrogance of the Jedi at 9:20, in contrast to her calmer conveyance of her perspective with Meetra Surik. Perhaps when the exile is male she sees him as the moral contrast to Revan, yet holding everything and more that made him so powerful, while with Meetra she sees her only as she says herself "A way in which the galaxy can deny the force's will."
Another thing to add to my findings is that of 8:00. After several playthroughs only recently have I come to see what it means. Throughout the game, Kreia is always shown to be completely grey, unswayed by the actions of the exile, and this is exemplified through the ability force sight, taught by Visas. Force sight allows you to forgo the limitations of human perspective to instead see others and the force's hold on them, dark or light. Even through such Kreia maintains a grey hue, in all but this moment. It is a wonder that the Jedi did not sense this during their sentencing, but perhaps they assumed the faint echo of the dark side was coming from the exile has a reaction to his sentencing, as well as them needing to focus their power to remove his connection.
@@dgrunklesamiii4615 I managed to get Kreia with LS alignment.
@@ABFan-bj2uj Please provide evidence as to how you did this, as such is most likely a bug and not intended by the developers.
@@dgrunklesamiii4615 I switched to Kreia as party leader and did some altruistic stuff, and BOOM! Kreia Is Now Light Side!! Also, I have Vanilla version, not the TSLRCM.
@@ABFan-bj2uj I would assume that is indeed a bug. At no point is Kreia playable while separated from the exile, as she has her own goals and motivations, so I would assume that what light side points should've gone to you likely went to Kreia and bypassed her neutralizer. That's my theory at least, as I'm no tech wizard, and all signs point to Kreia masking her dark presence.
"To best them in battle is one thing to defeat them without striking a blow that was my hope" thats a pretty deep quote from the dark side version of this with the jedi masters killed
Unfortunately, Vrook was too arrogant to listen to the Exile for just once, and the other two could only rely on him, with so much of the council dead. So victory in philosophy was beyond reach. It's difficult to argue with a scientist. It's impossible to argue with a fool.
Mr. Quinn, I love you. Nice video.
KOTOR 2 will always be the best RPG I've ever played.
For me too and I've started with ultima 7 (I know I can say I started with a bang! what a masterpeace!) and I think I played nearly every RPG since then.
Not the best, but the best Star Wars RPG. Hands down.
@@derlich09 I think it's a really good RPG because it goes above and beyond, utilitizing the very nature of an RPG to create an experience where you can mold the star wars galaxy to whatever you desire, whether it be light or dark, or somewhere in between.
Yessss, I love this version of the enclave scene so much better.
So this was a Dark side run :p
Kreia summarises if you are DS- you were afraid
If you are LS during this speech -you had no choice
This is true. Have you ever wondered why? czcams.com/video/2YqLvHxhFrg/video.html
You mixed it up LS was fear, abd DS was no choice
Vrook Lamar: You Shall Be Executed!!
Meetra Surik: Help! Help!! Kreia!! I’ve never been so betrayed like this. *sobs*
Kreia: Enough!!
Meetra Surik: Thank You Kreia!
Kreia: *Betray! Betray!! I Manipulate Your Head So I Betray!!!*
Haha
"Your command echoes still, General, and I obey, just as I did at Malachor V."
I have been waiting for this scene for a long time.
I appreciate that you add your own music so that the scene sounds better but I can't help but hate you for not using the actual restored temple theme. That is such a great tune. It screams of guilt and punches me right in the gut every time. In game or out. I'm disappointed that you didn't use it because the panning shot just isn't the same without it.
You mean this theme?: czcams.com/video/SwO38f69X9o/video.html
I couldn't use it at the opening it's too short. But I did use it. It starts at 5:26
Yes! I remember having goose bumps for the first time at the scene of the desert and ramshackle Jedi enclave, when the sentimental tune played and Kreia said "it has been sometime."
“I hate you for…”
Why hate?
Man KOTOR1&2 were such amazing games. A pity that we never saw KOTOR 3. The writing and dialogue in the second game is absurdly good. So many bits of teachings and wisdom. Games today are simply not made with such care and love anymore.
"You are so close to the pole of ducks"
_Subtitles at __10:25_
Its nice to see more Kotor, I always appreciate seeing these uploads
She is difficult to see, she is like a shadow of the exile.
Hey these videos are great dude. Keep it up.
Nomi's Robe master race, arguably the best lightside robe
12:09 Exile: “nope!”
she's bonded with Kreia so she knew she was about to have to fucking duck lol
@@DrTasty18 He*
Mommy protected me
@@DmitryTheSovietDuckFinally someone with sense. I have become sick of people calling The Exile as she.
SwTOR just ruined KOTOR's lore and butchered the exile's character
i still come back to this game... for 10 years or so.
6:50 what's funny is that Jedi master Zez-Kai Ell here explains what happens when you get more XP in the game hehe. the more you kill, the more xp you get, the stronger you get. a suttle attampt at fourth wall breaking right here.
12:06 you suddenly get back up off the floor only to fall back down hahaha, that's some sort of glitch in the cut scene, I haven't seen that before.
"you suddenly get back up off the floor only to fall back down hahaha, that's some sort of glitch in the cut scene, I haven't seen that before."
Funnily enough I have the exact opposite experience that glitch always happens for me.
@@SOMEGUY7893 I wonder if it's because the effect of being knocked out wore off but the game realized the character was supposed to stay knocked out so it did the effect again lol.
13:00 "And I know you can read MY thoughts, boy! 'meow meow meow meow, meow meow meow meow... meow meow meow meow MEOW meow meow meow...!' "
Damn I still can't get over Sara Kestleman's preformance in this section here. She really outdone herself
Sure, just strip, your only chance of defeating the Sith, of their connection to the Force. Great plan, guys.
This auto went on after the stream and it hits me so damn hard with feels every god damn time. Never gets old
Stream vod did get demonetized by the way. But it was due to the music playing in the Nar Shaddaa video that 100% Star Wars sent me. I cut away from Blunatmay's video early enough.
Papito Qinn lol guess we gotta mute Luke next time
I think the female voice lines were recorded before the male ones, since Kreia's tone is so much more fitting for male exile mentions. A prime example is "The arrogance!" in this part.
This is pure Star Wars gold!
There's an alternate dialogue where Kreia kneels to the Exile and instead of saying: "It was because you were afraid" she says "It was because you had no choice". Does anyone know how to get this line?
You have to be on the dark side.
Ah, I see! Thanks for the quick response. :)
You're welcome. I happened to be in the neighborhood.
Makes me wonder what would’ve happened had Atris chosen to appear.
She would have used their arrogance to convince them it was too dangerous to let you live and have you killed. From the 4 left Jedi Masters, Atris was the most arrogant.
@@robinhood7293 She turned Vrook Lamar to the Dark Side without knowing. Kreia couldn’t even get him to admit it.
Oh no Kriea would protect the exile and kill them instead. He was most important to her
This scene is brilliant but the bloke desperately flopping out of shot at 12:07 is hilarious.
It makes me wonder how the Jedi council would deal with this situation during the prequel era
I'd think maybe slightly less as condemning than in KOTOR, but about the same.
"You follow Revan's path".....The path to be both and neither Jedi or Sith but something more. Revan may followed that path because he had no choice due to the living Force.
Revan's path may have been good for the galaxy, but that doesn't mean it was balanced in the force.
This is honestly still one of the best moments I've ever seen within the Star Wars franchise - notions of "cannon" be dammed.
I still remember when I saw it the first time (15 years ago), I was simply speechless..
I honestly wish they would have been able to completely finish this game
Along with Fallout: New Vegas
This was my first kotor and I feel in love whit him
These thirteen minutes and 40 seconds have been better than any of the garbage Disney has given us in the past eight years. My god this scene is phenomenal.
There is no wisdom; there is willful ignorance.
There is no pursuit of knowledge; there is fear of the unknown.
There is no embracing change; there is preserving the status quo.
The REAL Jedi code.
spectacular😂
I honestly don't know how many times I've rewatched this and all its variants.
I love the rebuilt Jedi enclave theme sooo much.
I'm going to write Sara Kesselman (wrong spelling I think) a letter honestly
You know I never considered writing her a letter. I wouldn't know where to send it.
@@PapitoQinn she'll probably die soon. I'm gonna try find a way rather than laud her after she passes as under appreciated
Where do you send it?
OK FINE! ILL DO MY 500TH PLAYTHROUGH AFTER ALL THESE YEARS GODDAMNIT!
Its never enough!
"You must've notice as you fought across all these planets, killing hundreds, only to become more and more powerful. Why do you think that was?"
Dude... That's how an RPG works! You fight, you kill, you get EXP from it, you get stronger. Not that hard to figure out.
But turning RPG mechanism to story is absolute brilliance
Best game I ever played
It's strange hearing Kreia say "He/she has brought truth, and you condemn it? The arrogance!" in different tones depending on if you're playing the Exile as a male or female. Here, she is more explicit in her outrage compared to the same event with the Female Exile, where she sounds more bitter and keeps her voice low.
Perhaps a life lived without the force is not the punishment it is made out to be
7:42
V. Lamar: *Somehow, They Have Learned Their Hunger From You*
It haunted Milo Surik to death. It almost triggered Kreia into doing to Vrook Lamar what Darth Sion did to Darth Traya (Kreia), except that he bleeds to death.
They are like ghouls in vamprie the maquarade.
Kavar: Speak No Evil
Vrook: See No Evil
Zez-Kai El: Hear No Evil
Atris: Do No Evil
This is why i love Kyle Katarn. He cut himself off from the force and returned stronger when he became a jedi again.
Some of the most amazing in depth writing ever done. Shame no stories are written with so much depth anymore
Man the moment she's like I'm here to silence you chills as you would pass judgment on the exile I have come to pass judgment on you all 😮 epic mic drop
It is funny because Kreia didnt kill them. She just severed the Jedi Master's connection with the Force and since they were dependent on it they died, thus proving Kreia right...
I played this gaym a few times, and I like that the character reactions change if u are a male or female character. Although canonically the exile(Meetra Surik) is a female character.
The female exile was only made canon in swtor before this in 2004 when it came out all the promotional material was for the male
@@Dipset81288 wow didn't know, thanks
this games were "the star wars vibe" for me as it was the first star wars media i saw as a kid and nothing came close to this felling to be honest.
My male Jedi had that same hairstyle 😂
Mine was bald, and I pictured him as *deeply* and *terrifyingly* strong, both physically and mentally. Kreia is only second place to him.
Unfortunate that we will never see writing of this quality on the big screen as long as Disney is in control ... I can only hope Dave and Jon are granted the creative control they deserve to make content like this for dinsey+
Wah, Disney bad!
I'm surprised that the Jedi Code allows horseshoe mustaches.
I love how Atris doesn't come to the Dantooine meeting because she hasn't learned anything like Katarr and in his mind she would be thinking "the sith must hide and I will wait until they appear"
She had most of the dead Jedi on her conscience, but in her ignorance she blamed the exile for her actions
Ps her motives I think after we go away from telos planet from planet Kreia tries to hide his presence to atris and the other Jedi masters but atris has the handmaidens who are not touched by the force and then notice her and tell atris about her presence and she must have thought kreia as a sith and then when kreia herself return to telos she confirm his thoughts but all the Jedi deaths in her mind the return of the exile male or female that she admired and was disappointed when she/he goes to the mandalorian wars and then kreia is know to be the dark Lord of betrayal
Nobody wants to bring up how Kreia is blind and might have been using her mastery of the force and the bond to use your own eyes. Darth Traya, after all.
Happy to see "Exile" and not "Meetra Surik" again
Same here!
Are they the Same?
@@simon556able Meetra Surik a female Exile and the canonical one
@@dzikripratama3776 only canon in the bad MMO and mediocre novels.
"Milo Surik"
He has brought truth and you CONDEMN IT?! The ARROGANCE!
Seventh!
PS: Will you make videos of a DS playthrough?
Trying to get ahead of things, i see.
PS: Yes
I love this scene so much however I think it feels better with the female exile in some parts, like with when Kreia says "He has brought truth and you condemn it? The arrogance!" feels too fast as opposed to the way she says it about the female exile. Not complaining, just nit-picking. It's an outstanding scene, and I've always been fascinated by Kreia.
I hope not only i find companions dialogue at the end of the scene confusing.
It always annoys me how much better the character interaction feels as male exile. I love playing as fem exile just cause "canon" reasons but the handmaiden and visas feel much fuller character-wise in a male playthrough than the disciple and visas in a fem playthrough
try using the partyswap mod, it allows you to have both the disciple and the handmaiden. As for the female exile's companions not being as fleshed out, there are a few reasons for that, namely, the disciple was meant to have a long quest where you find holocrons, and only through finding holocrons could you eventually train him into a Jedi.
Id this was a live-action production, Helen Mirren would be perfect for the role of Kreia.
I think people might tell you that Sara Kestelman is still kicking.
@@PapitoQinn I don't know what she looks like.
@@Kainlarsen Look her up.
I think the council hear really did not understand Nihilus and Sion as the threat. The way they talk about the Exile seems like that are thinking the Exile is the one causing all this death and destruction. The Exile left to the Outer Rim after the war while Sion, Kreia and Nihilus were in known space.
Almost 2k, wow.
Yeah, I'm at 1987. Year of Predator, Robocop, Lethal Weapon. Good year. At least for movies.
1990 now.
@Roland Deschain Good year for music, even mainstream. Gangsta rap was going hard and Alternative Rock was on it's way up.
that one jedi looks like pickles from metalocalypse
"Pickles' nickels. The very first endorsement of money." Which one looks like him exactly?
@@PapitoQinn czcams.com/video/AsdVeiqaJls/video.html
this dude
WALK FROM MALACORE as I did
So did atris not know the Jedi Masters were alive also? I wonder if they knew where she was. Because Kreia didn't know the masters where still alive.
Atris. I was from her record that you find that out and their locations. The Jedi masters thought Atris died on Katarr. They say so when you tell them that you encountered Atris on Telos. Kreia though I'm not sure. But I have to assume she found out from Atris' records as well.
@@PapitoQinn kreia says something like the knowledge that the master are still alive is information she did not have, but has now been corrected. I appreciate your deep knowledge of this. I really need to download it and reply. It has been such a long time since I played. I love the stories and characters but the way combat works is what keeps me from playing again.
@@Rotorzilla I didn't used to like RPG games, but this one really showed me how RPGs could shine.
I came to enjoy the combat after a while. It wasn't special but it was nice and casual, had some difficulty but mostly was about keeping whatever abilities active during combat, not too hard.
At first it was definitely hard to get used to, but I highly recommend sticking it out, really great game.
Games made between 2010 and 2020 cant even come close to games made between 2000-2010 (where EA was still a good guy) in writing and gameplay.
Is it me, but this scene is better when Exile is male?
I can more motherly rage in Kreia, when she says that masters will never harm Exile again