You have failed me
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- Excerpts from the video game "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords" This is about Kreia and some alternate or cut lines from her conversation with the Exile in the ruins of the Jedi Enclave on Dantooine, which takes place if the Jedi Masters have been slain by the Exile. Restored content include Kreia attacking the Exile through their Force bond, stabbing herself with a lightsaber so that the Exile would feel the pain. There is also a very long explanation of the issues which are the main focus of the game, namely the nature of Darth Nihilus and the Exile's, and a larger perspective on connections in the Force.
- Hry
So depressing when you realize we will never get another Star Wars game with this level of writing .
Because Disney sold the rights to another monopoly known as EA. Fuck Disney.
+bonjanglevash Possibly the worst decision Disney has EVER made.
+lightsidemaster EA pretty much ruined battlefront. Even tho it looks good graphically, there is no campaign, and no galactic conquest. That's why I refuse to buy it.
Draven Medina
VERY GOOD decision!
Same here.
It's true that the graphics are beyond awesome, but to me, graphics are far from being the most important aspect of a game.
There are so many things wrong with this game it's disgusting.
***** Personally, I would rather buy an xbox original or ps2, buy battlefront 2, and play that rather than buy this EA abomination.
"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist."
George Carlin
Among the darkest and wisest words spoken by a comedian.
Hopeman YES!!!
People never believe me when I say I became a Star Wars fan from the games, much more so than the movies.
This is exactly why.
Star Wars TOT is why I became a fan. The KOTOR games are the only reason I am still a fan!
Same here! I was always a Star Wars fan but in my later childhood these games and other EU stuff really blew my mind and it continues to be my favourite star wars yet! After playing this game Star Wars was never the same for me when it can be this good!
Lego Star wars is why I'm a fan.
"You have failed me. Completely and utterly."
Say a prayer but let the goosebumps roll ladies and gents.
Her voice actor is amazing
Omg, she's narrated audiobooks? I'm definitely going to look into that.
Comic Kazii I seriously thought she was Maggie Smith.
What??? Have you seen Harry Potter??? They sound nothing alike.
According to Sara Kestelman's page on Wikipedia, she also portrayed Lady MacBeth. I would have loved to see that performance of hers! Both Lady MacBeth and Kreia are manipulative women after all.
has she ever talked about Kreia???
I just want to say Sara Kestleman really knocked it out of the park with this performance here. She was the PERFECT voice actor for this role. Chris may have wrote the words, but sara brought Kreia to life.
She managed to convey such seething contempt and disappointment. I feel like I failed her myself, and I’ve never even played this game.
This shows that Kreia is really not a Sith nor does she agree with that ideology. Many think so becouse majority of players play lightside and hear her opposing LS choices constantly. Yet if you try to be vicious, cruel murderer in the game you are bound to be even more berated by her. This scene is a prime example.
+Turtle1631991 A more serious Jolee Bindo maybe?
+Raitsa I'd say thats a very good way to describe Kreia, she has seen the Jedi Order for what they were in this time: Arrogant, Cowardly and almost paranoid.
She went to Dark Side and the Sith and realized they weren't much better.
Thus she set out to use Meetra Surrik to end both the Jedi and the Sith.
+Turtle1631991 Some of Kreia's reasoning is so fantastic.
I remember on Nar Shaddaa someone comes to you and asks for money, if you give it to them Kreia berates you which would make you think she's mean or bad. But then she explains that in such a situation - where people are fighting for their very lives - you're making that person a target and you see a scene of that person getting attacked for the money you gave.
She's one of the best characters in any fictional universe.
Shadowpatrick_1007
In this time? Even the prequel time jedi were the same. They think that they are always right and that there isn't anything besides what they know. "If it isn't in the archives, it doesn't exist". That's why they were so deteriorated and were so blind to Palpatine.
Juan Laise
True but they were even worse in the Old Republic era.
At least the Jedi in the prequels tried to do something about the Trade Federation and the Clone Wars rather than trying to come up with a "peaceful" solution to it, in other words pretty much nothing.
Kreia is hands down the most complex, thought-provoking video game character ever written.
Uh, no.
Roflcopter4b
compelling argument you got there
sharangcool The burden of proof lies on you.
No, the burden of proof lies on you, as you are now making the claim that someone else is more thought provoking. By saying she isn't the most thought provoking character, you posit someone else is. So who do you think is more complex?
Anything Vintage your suggestions are without merit. Naming names from other video games doesn't prove your point. Why do you think any of those characters are more complex than Kreia?
"You have failed me. Completely and utterly."
I have no idea why that line cut me so deeply on my first DS playthriugh, so that must mean this game is a masterpiece
There are so many games that don't DARE do this.
This is a game that dares fill the players cup with the consequences of being an evil man/women and tell them precisely what they are.
Oh so you enjoyed reveling in power? In Killing people with Force lighting? Cutting down people with your lightsabre? Well here you little monster have a good look.
Very few games DARE tell a player they have been bad to this level .
I suspect that is why so many people don't like her - they don't like being told their DS murder spee had consequences.
Cato the Younger Kinda like Spec Ops The Line how it makes you feel bad about killing people.
Sort off..but (spoiler alert) Captain Walker is crazy whereas Metra Surik is most definitely not crazy
Yeah that's true.
It sort of reminds me of Trevor character in GTA V. Essentially they wrote character that would actually act like many players do in the game. Nothing short of genius.
I think that this is too hard for many people to write a scenario like this, so they just don't even try.
During this part i was so shock i never had so many emotions run through me at once. I was having lots of fun killing Jedi that had exiled me. When she got mad at me i did not know what to think.
Incomplete, this game still has one of the darkest stories in video games.
Darth Traya is one of my favorite characters. So deep and complex
Kreia's teachings are in fact the entire philosophy of the Art of War.
She wanted you to defeat the Jedi, philosophically, and show them that their convictions are flawed. As opposed to simply killing them in sheer emotional bloodlust and revenge.
"To fight and destroy in all of your battles is not the mark of supreme excellence.
Supreme excellence lies in crushing your adversaries resolve without fighting." - Sun Tzu
Easily the most beautifully dark and complex piece of Star Wars material that exists, and terribly overshadowed by its ideologically inferior predecessor.
Brian Sheehan Is KOTOR 1 simpler? Of course, but I don't believe that makes it a worse game. To me, KOTOR has that good old original trilogy SW feel, and although I appreciate the complex philosophy and moral deconstruction of 2, I simply prefer 1 for the reason I stated. KOTOR 2 is like a beautifully written and complex book, while KOTOR is like the original movies. I guess preference of the two depends on a day to day mood.
But the issue is that her philosophy wasn't redeemed in the end. The Exile defeated her and left for Deep Space.
@@ricoco7891 He didn't say that 2 was better. Kotor 1 is a fantastic game. Great worlds, decent writing, good story, some good characters (Bastila, Carth, Candoras, HK ). It's arguably one of Bioware's greatest achievements
Justifiably overshadowed by a game that was actually finnished.*
@@Filip1613 Given KotOR II's rushed development timetable, it's not as justifiable as you claim. Simple amazing they produced this level of quality in such a short space of time.
One word: Damn.
Years later after playing this and kreia’s scoldings still hit harder than a truck on the freeway
KoTOR 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disney canon.
+Michael Warreker Disney cannon is completely unreleated to this? not to mention this could still be easily used? Its only like 4000 years before the movies.
+Michael Warreker KOTOR 2 was ass compared to the vanilla. This game was even unfinished even with the restored content
+Michael Warreker Kotor2>>>>>>>SWTOR
+Alvin Bayle if you're trying to say Kotor is better than Kotor 2 then that's what needs to be said. The "vanilla" game means without dlc or mods. By the way I don't agree with that sentiment at all. Kotor 2 to me had the best moments overall even if unfinished. Kreia was a spectacular character unmatched in almost any media star wars has with her depth.
Alvin Bayle Was ass? did you even play it? We all know it wasnt as good and incomplete, but it was a good game, should have been an amazing game, but it was good, and even with all that was left out, its still more complete than any game you buy these days xD unless you count buying the game then waiting like 12 months worth of patches and paying an extra $20-$60 as complete. idk, i felt it was a good game that could have been just as good as the first, but tbf i only played through the original release like 8 years ago 1 time, only played it again recently with the restored content, so my child memory could be betraying me xD
I am speechless
Influence Lost: Kreia
Influence Gained: Kreia
Light side points gained
Dark side points gained
Net dark side shift
I think Kreia said it best
"The MMO is an Echo of what Once Was"
Did Kreia sense down the line, Darth Sidious and Lord Vader coming?
Still playable even by today's standards
Playable? It's still awesome. Not merely playable.
Take my upvote for your avatar, sir
SSangsen Erm... was that to me, or the Sarevok I was replying to? :o
SSangsen I tip my hat off to you in deference and utmost respect. Thankyou :-*)
I still play both to this day, Now on my Xbox one with reverse compatibility 👌
She did not become the dark lord out of will, but out of necesity.
Grandma was so disappointed in me, she stabbed herself to teach me one final lesson.
Also the part where Atton explains to you how to kill a Jedi was chilling. That was just so evil, but the writing was so good you it just made you like the character even more. Carth never had any dialogue even close to that.
"I don't want to talk about it."
To think... people think last jedi is on the same level as this
@Dalen Lewin Well Said, explained, with perfect examples!
People voted for Trump. same same.
@@LittleMacscorner Orangeman bad
@@TristanHayes Very very Bad
@@LittleMacscorner he pulled troops out of the Middle East he could do as much bad as u say he has and yet he has done more good with this action than bush Obama Clinton bush sr combined.
She just stabbed herself with a lightsaber because she knew I'd feel it too, kind of regret not going dark side just to see this
That was a game you felt like replaying time and time again. Unfortunately I expected a long time for a KOTOR 3 that never came...
This is like the perfect melding of video game mechanics and writing. Everything makes sense and it's awesome
I never understood why this game has no rewards for true neutral characters, it would be so amazing to play as a gray Jedi.
Problem is, most of the time you are forced to go either one side or the other. There's no simple way to stay in the middle because you are forced to balance LS and DS choices, and hardly ever given a chance for a neutral reaction. In a lot of situations, you are forced not because devs were lazy, but because you can't stay neutral to a situation like that... like when the original owner of the Ebon Hawk is captured by the Red Eclipse. I see no way to get out of a situation like that in a neutral manner.
Granted, it'd be extremely interesting to see what role a grey Jedi Exile would play in the game's story (it would add yet another layer of awesomeness to an already epic game), but sadly, we are likely not gonna see that.
I played this game as a balanced character. Exactly as you said, balancing the choices between light and dark. Maybe this is why I missed so many things in the game. Might be time for a replay 10 years later.
That actually drives at Kreia's philosophy. She hates the force because of the predestination it chooses for people, how it draws them to rigidity by awarding power. In order to be gray, in order to fully embrace Kreia's teaching, you have to be willing to forsake power that isn't your own - drawing on her true teaching of strength. More than just a game mechanic, the way the game awards power based off of light / dark side points is an integral part of the game's philosophy
Kreia is not really a gray Jedi.
apathy is death. apathy = grey. Look at Bindo, a grey jedi and he was content to sit on the wookie homeworld while thousands died.
Kreia will forever be my favorite star wars character
Really? I always couldn't stand her presumption to think she was so much wiser than everybody else. Like she was the only person in the world that ever aged and learned by living life and only her opinion was valid and correct. She is actually very arrogant in a way that makes her behave in the very manner she claims to despise.
This is how I view the scene somewhat and what kriea is trying to teach you depending on your alignment.
if you are light side she wants you to see that being impassive all the time and helping every random person may not benefit them or you in the long run actually.
While if you are dark side murdering random people for fun etc or petty revenge which is not needed is not actually an effective way to increase your power in the dark side.
Hence why my ds exile sith lord let the jedi masters live. Why? you might ask? Per kriea's lessons and conversations the jedi are already broken and defeated what revenge is there to be had? Looking upon them the are scared hermits unable to change or adapt. In my opinion a more fitting form of revenge is to let them wallow in their self pity and use them to gain new techniques.
When I got to this scene and the end Kriea had nothing but praise for me(while delievering some jedi master ass whooping) exile in my opinion Kriea also wanted the jedi and sith to change. Honestly I feel that the story would of been more interesting if the exile was dark side and Revan light side. Plus with the restore content playing dark side reveals alot more interesting info.
While this storyline could not make into the movie, a TV series would be quite fitting. To explore characters in depth and philosophy of the force. And lower risk in box office.
Losing the interactive elements would kill the impact of the story. Videogames of this caliber made passive media storytelling obsolete.
I think what's often missed here, as I interpret it, is that when Kreia says "you have failed me" she's talking about her hopes for the Exile in being a Wound in the force. Kreia hoped that the will of the force could be denied through being that Wound, and that the manipulative temptations of the Light Side and Dark Side could be pushed aside so that people could make their own choices without being thrown into that dichotomy. Kreia hoped The Exile would learn to break away from the Dark Side and the Light Side, and be their own person.
But they didn't. They let the power of the force corrupt them, and they were manipulated by its currents as sure as any other. They were just another pawn. She tried reaching The Exile strength, true skill, and the power of breaking free from the force, and the Exile spat those teachings out in her face by becoming just another result of the Force's tyranny.
If Darth Traya was canon, and oh I wish she her, I think she would be a Sith Lady who is absolutely despised by future Sith such as those in the Banite line. She walked the path of Light, but was betrayed by it. She fell to the Dark, but was betrayed by it. So she despises both, and despises the Force itself. She is not a Gray Jedi, not truly. She is not between Light and Dark, she is beyond, a 4th way.
this speech gives me chills on my spine, especially at 5:57
I still remember the first time I saw her activate her lightsaber , stab herself and the music kicks in .
IT WAS AWSOME .
One of the best scenes in the game, not only because of the narrative, writting and voice acting aspects, but because of role-playing potential.
My first playthrough was full darkside character and killing Jedi Masters was one of the most satisfying things I did in RPGs, but after that scene I decided to change my ways, I spared Atris, I did everything I could to redeem my character during that playthrough.
I never seen a scene that would force me to change my character like this did, usually my characters in RPGs remain what they were at the beginning to the very end and many games encourage you to play this way, but this game actually make you to think about what you did. It's fantastic.
This is amazing, both the Dark Side and Light Sided versions of this scene show so much more, especially the Dark Sided one. I've been watching any of these restored scenes that I could find, and the plot makes SO much more sense after seeing this stuff they cut out. The plot and in particular Kreia and her motivations are so... confusing, but with this they are much easier to understand.
Brilliant monologue drowned out by the music.
Quite a speech. It was truly moving, and I even cried a little bit.
That intro music though, when the video starts. Chills.
I hope that will make a film on her character
Seriously, how the heck did we go from this to “the power of one, the power of two, the power of many”?🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Well done to whoever close captioned this, this speech should be accessable for all to hear/see.
I also like that Kreia doesn't really see good or bad, light or dark. She doesn't care if you've fallen or ascended, but that you learned from it.
What a shame that Kathleen Kennedy's new trilogy couldn't have amazing dialogue and compelling characters like this video game. What a shame...
To be fair this is pretty uncommon in the movies in general.
Its because her strong woman have to be young with no need for no man and the man around her have to be mentally deteriorating morons.
Kreia follows her own ideology, one where it is better if neither the Jedi or Sith existed, for her they are one in the same, each one blinded to the will of something they can't possibly comprehend.
Kreia telling me she was so disappointed in me stung
Every now and again, I play through Kotor2 just for the dialogue with Kreia, there is no good vs evil with her, both extremes are wrong, she doesnt want death and destruction but she doesnt want blind adherence to some arbitrary code. Every other StarWars interaction just seems to fall short. This is one of the greatest written games in existance I think.
I remember when I first played this game and of course decided to do a darkside playthrough as my first run through (because why not?) and I enjoyed going around causing mayhem and giving into my darker impulses throughout the game. However when I came to this scene, I dunno exactly what it was. Maybe it was the music, maybe it was Kreia lecturing me, or maybe it was just the empty courtyard I was in where the council was supposed to be, but it was at this moment it really hit me home exactly what I had done and the ramifications of that really started to sink in. You had destroyed the Jedi order utterly and completely. It will absolutely never come back and never have any hope of ever coming back. Its kind of in this chilling moment you realize that the dark side.........has won and you caused it.
My only gripes with this amazing game is the opening on Telos, Citadel station, and Peragus II before the Telos academy and the lack of an ending. Everything else is beautiful
Sith lord restored helps immensely in a lot of parts that feel shaky
Play on STEAM and subscribe to the restoration MOD. It restores all sorts of lost content the was cut out due to a bug and finishes up the HK sidequest. Much more satisfying conclusion and makes things a lot clearer.
Kreia your just mad you didn't get to absorb the Jedi Masters' powers
ikr
>stabs a lightsaber into her own stomach
>gets up and walks off like nothing happened
CAN YOU MAKE THE MUSIC A BIT LOUDER?!!!!
Kreia at the end of the day seems to me doesn’t care about you doing unnecessarily the ‘right’ thing or the wrong thing. What she cares most about is you doing the wise thing that must be done regardless at how immoral it is.
The level of writing for kotor 2 is wayyy better than all of the star wars films in my opinion
TL;DR Kreia knows absolute good is better than unrestrained evil.
Light siders gain strength and power by taking on others struggles and gaining that experience.
Dark siders that kill indiscriminately eliminate sources of growth and power by eliminating that struggle .
Eliminating a strong opponent does not truly grow one's strength, either, until the time is right.
How can one run with the wolves come night when they spend all day sparring with puppies?
Learn from enemies. Physically best them if one must but spare them. Spare them until they can broken. Once they are broken death is a mercy and they may come to serve. Be wary of such service, however. When they make their move they may finally be destroyed. That is how strength is earned through the dark side. One can not feed off the power of others when everyone is dead.
I'm not up to date on the Star Wars lore but after I just got done playing this game a day ago I felt like Keira was actually good minus attacking me, she was just trying to teach that is the force and not let it use you , as in the sith wanting to use it a certain way and the Jedi wanting to use it a certain way
A fine collection of modding tools goes a long way.
OMFG - did she just saber herself? Eegads. This was awesome. Thanks for posting.
If you are dumbfounded by where Kreia, in general, is coming from, read Nietzsche. I don't subscribe to the ideology, but find it interesting nevertheless, but more importantly, influenced Kreia's character, which is far more philosophically deep than any other Star Wars character.
themanclaw2 I find that guy to be the Nazi before Nazis were Nazis.
@@SuperLumianaire I never heard of him being a eugenecist so... No.
i love how she scolds you for murdering the jedi masters and in the light version of that cutscene she goes ahead and murders them herself ... the dark side jedi temple cutscene was always non sensical to me .. she pretty much pushes you towards dark side pov in the game and she wanted to kill the force which would have killed everyone in the entire universe
Maybe the nagging grandma thing is just not for you, but she was very clear in saying that the Jedi Masters needed to die anyway because they and their teachings were a threat, and that the problem here is not that the Exile killed them, but rather the failure to achieve a higher understanding of herself and the Force. Kreia meant for the Exile to get past unresolved events from her history, falling to the dark side over those events is a failure to do so.
@@KnightsAndDarths holy crap that was fast ... also i know all that jazz but that was my first impression when i first beat this game cause the reveal that she had been the antagonist the whole game was bloody brilliant and very well executed second only.to the revan plot twist in the first one
Kreia did not kill the Jedi masters. They let go of life. She forced them to see the world through the eyes of the Exile by stripping the Force from them. They, unlike the Exile at Malachor, did not fear death, and they sooner let go of life than live without the Force. This vindicated her teachings.
@@KnightsAndDarths You can max out dark side, spare all the masters, and still be high influence with Kreia. The hardest one to save is Vrook
@@KnightsAndDarths Oh wait I just realized you said "falling to the dark side *over those events* ", meaning slaying the masters as a means of solving your past ok
The dialogue in this game was very well written.
This isn't the most philosophical question per se, but it's still one that confused me over the years: Who restored the temple if the Exile just arrived and none of the Masters were there to do it?
+Albertosn3 i thought the same ^^
As far as I recall, Vrook was there. He had years to restore parts of the Jedi Enclave before this version of the Jedi Exile came to Dantooine to end his life.
Ábel Farkas But it was still in ruins when you finish your business in Dantooine...
I think it's kind of metaphorical. Supposed to parallel the Exile's inner world.
Maybe the 4 jedi used force speed to rebuild it really fast
Kotor 2 really ruined any games chance of beating it in but quality and philosophy
Imagine if they had the full time to make this game
10 years later and such writing is still unsurpassed. 7:06 SAVAGE
*There Is No Light Side Nor a Dark Side, There Is Only The Force*
*There Must Always Be A Darth Traya*
Comepletely and utterly.
me : what did I do now bitch, I thought you said I was the best you trained.... (kind of weird thing to say considering she trained Revan)
I think Kreia was heavily biased because The Exile, if Kreias plan came to fruition, would have killed the force itself. Something that she hates with every fiber of her being.
I think it's like raising a student of your own who goes on to discover their own path but still accomplishes great things, vs raising a student and watching them grow and become exactly what you were hoping they would become. Like say, a doctor that trains their first student who finally discovers the cure for the common cold. A ground breaking achievement to be sure, but not what they personally hoped the student would accomplish. And then the second student eventually goes on to find the cure for cancer, which is what the doctor truly wanted all along because they themselves just could not do it on their own, no matter how hard they tried.
The doctor isn't necessarily dissapointed with his first student, but watching the second student essentially become their legacy is all they ever wished for. That doesn't mean that either student is better than the other.
COMON FUCKERS GIVE US KOTOR 3
Please make a Kotor 3 and give the rights to Obsidian entertainment... Not Bioware I lost faith in Bioware when they made SWTOR with EA
SWTOR is good,real shit was Mass Effect Andromeda.And with it Bioware died.
thx for the explanation
She just wanted to be proven right
So is she mad at the exile because he/she killed the 3 jedi masters instead of bringing them to Dantooine, thus not being able to show them that their teachings are wrong?
+HPB 1998 Basically she's mad at the Exile because she's casting a poor reflection on her. Yes, she was able to best the Jedi Masters in battle, but by Kreia's teaching, a victory is only such if you win because you are right, and not because you switched on your lightsaber. At this point in the game she asks you whether you're satisfied seeing them dead or whether you intend to keep going; you want to keep going, and Kreia takes that as a failure, because you're clearly being ruled by the Dark Side, you're not in control. Understand that this is what happens to Kreia all the time: she gives all her knowledge to a student, and only monsters come out of her tutelage. You were supposed to be her last chance to prove to herself and everyone else that her teachings were correct. She couldn't be more pissed.
Knights&Darths K, thx for the info.
+Knights&Darths It does not matter who is right and who is wrong. Only a winner writes the history. If Kreia has a problem with this fact, then she is upset on universe laws.
+HPB 1998 I don't think she could be more pissed in the Light Side version of the scene either. Kreia finds a broken Jedi on an old Republic ship, manipulates him and takes him across the galaxy to gather the Jedi and make the Exile in to the student she wanted them to be. All for one purpose: to prove to the Jedi that her teachings are right, and the Jedi's teachings were wrong. Then, after all that had happened, the Jedi still act as stubborn as ever, so she's forced to use her last resort and cut them off from the force, and subsequently kill them.
+Darth Creator Or the law of the force in Star War's case, and Kreia wanted nothing more than to kill The Force itself, which would probably have resulted in the mass genocide of all living things, sentient life, animals, flora, planets, stars ad who knows what else if the force really does connect everything, including both Light and Dark sides.
She is one of my all time favorite video game characters, but her goal is quite possibly the most evil ambition I've ever seen in fiction since she's prepared to potentially condemn all existence to absolute extinction just to prove the force is the puppet master of all the wrongs in life. I mean even the most vile, evil Sith or most virtuous Jedi wouldn't seek the destruction of the very thing that gives him/her their power to serve themselves or help others respectively.
Kotor 2 made Star Wars for me. Without Kreia Star Wars is a silly but sometimes fun children's action movie.
Best mentor you could ever ask for. No one has the same depth and veiws on life as her I wish she was in every RPG game. Not preaching right and wrong or being constricted by the jedi code or sith hate she was the wisest of all people in any game.
أنا ابراهيم لمتابتي اليوم هو يوم الجمعه 17/03/2023 إذآ شاف احد تعليقي بعد سنين يترحم علي ممكن اكون متوفي ❤❤
oh man if they remastered this game, i wold break down crying
Kreia has that ability, makes you feel odd to get more philosiphy-wise out of a fictional character than an english teacher.
But it was needed, I wouldn't be who I am without Kreia, proudly.
Its my first time seeing this in a year and i was still a little shocked when kreia stabbed herseld so fast
I wish this content hadn't been cut... it makes so much more sense than the scene left in the game. Kreia actually explains clearly what the wound in the force is and how strength is gained from it, rather than shouting "You failed" and storming off...
Cheers for putting this on youtube.
Because she's just that awesome.
She did light and dark side acts, criticises you, all she does is for something good, something light. I think she is ultimately a Jedi, just embraces dark side as well in her words, acts and intentions.
Love these games!!
:) Thank you. Yes, I will release this.
I'm actually so glad that somebody respond. Well, after some research now I know that she didn't actually killl them directly, but she did started the Jedi purge and unleashed two fearsome beast (Sion and Nihilus). She's the last person to condemn Exile for killing jedis.
I love how she subtly hinted toward the future of the Galactic Empire
It was at this moment that my character Darth Batrous was truly born.
WOW your kotor 2 videos are so awsome can you tell me about more kotor 2 history and secrets if you know something im so intersted and you are awsome guy who give something so cool to all star was fans so thanks so much :D
So... *sniffle* you're saying... *sob* I'm not your little pogchamp?
you are 100% right on that, she claims the exile is her best pupil because he/she can live without relying on the force
I didn't see that lightsaber coming, haha, completely unprepared indeed!
She explains this so much more clearly when DS! I play LS and in the past (not this game but others) I never had enough influence to find this stuff out - so the first time I completed it, I got to the end and had no idea what had happened. Just replayed it with the TSLRCM mod and understood all of this, but it's not said as obviously at all as this! Damn you DS for getting an obvious explanation!
The fact that they have yet to turn the KOTOR games, or at least the first one, into a series or a trilogy is criminal. It’s what everybody wants, but it’s what nobody will get. Although admittedly it means they will at least stay untainted. Silver lining. Far better for them not to do it if they’re just gonna fuck it all up.
Kreia reminds me a little of Nietzsche; this idea of perspectivism especially; her interest in ideas of power and truth also seem reminiscent of his.
I think I love her.
"Is it as you expected? This is all that is left. An empty chamber, and an echo of what once was. Your actions have crippled the order, perhaps destroyed it. But before enjoying this victory, there is something we must discuss first. Vrook was right to come here, though he did not recognize the connection until too late. You are tied to places such as these you know. Master Vrook was unable to admit that the echo of Dantooine he felt was inside you as well. They admitted it as much in the council chamber after your 'trial', though they did not understand what it meant at first. They assumed it was a threat that they felt -- from one perspective they were correct.
As much as you can form connections to others, such connections exist on planetary scale as well. It is possible to hurt or sever those connections, to create places in reality where it is difficult to center one's self, but that is the crudest form of manipulation. It is possible to affect those connections in other wise by the slightest actions, a seemingly minor choice or a small cruelty. Surely you have noticed it in your companions? Your actions influence theirs? It may seem a minor thing, but it is not. It is the power upon which empires can be made. The stronger your connection to life, to the force, the stronger these echoes can be made. And the stronger they are felt.
When heard, force sensitives instinctively seek out the source, are drawn to it to try and form a connection. And when the connection is formed, both become stronger and the influence between them grows. Your... companions; many are touched by the force on some level. And in many ways they serve out of compulsion and because your connection influences them strongly. It was much like how it was for you in the Mandalorian Wars. With many Jedi under your command. But this connection has other consequences.
When the source is wounded, the one on which others draw strength, they are wounded as well. What one feels, the other feels. And when others die, a scream travels back to the source. If they occur at the same time or at the right time, these screams will build upon each other until it is the only sound you can hear. And the deaths of many will cause the screams to build until their pain becomes yours and you die as well. And that is why during the Mandalorian Wars you lost your connection to The Force. It was that final battle, the deaths of so many Jedi that caused you to lose your connection. It caused the wound that you feel now, it caused pain in the force -- an emptiness. A wound that is yet to heal.
But it does not end there. If it did, then perhaps the threat we face would be more 'manageable'. This pain I describe, the echo of these acts is true of planets as well. Tremendous loss of life on a planetary scale can also cast echoes, create a scream, a wound in the force that can travel across the galaxy. It can be felt by force sensitives, and can influence them whether they realize it or not. Anyone can do such things since life is connected by the force. Sometimes the connections are faint, but in your case they are very strong. You instinctively know how to manipulate such connections and to influence others. You have seen it mirrored in those who travel with you, you give others strength to act but it is also possible to draw upon the strength of others to increase your own. It is similar to drawing upon the force as Jedi do, but when it is touched by the power of the Dark Side, it is something else. Something deadly.
These "Sith" we face, they have learned how to do this. It is a technique that has been lost for some time, not seen in the days since the Ancient Sith. They can use it to consume other force sensitives, and at the highest pinnacle of power -- use it to consume anything that lives. The blind sear, her Master has harnessed this technique. And he is rapidly approaching the height of its power. I fear he may even rival some of the Ancient Sith. He is already more of a force than a living thing, a hole in the force that threatens to draw everything into it. And the teaching must die with him, or else all life will be placed in jeopardy.
The destruction of the order, the masters, it was not an end in its self. I did not expect them to still live. Their presence was knowledge I did not possess. But now this has been corrected. And now the sides of this conflict are as I had thought them to be. There are no more unknowns. But this moment is all that really matters. It was never my wish that you find the masters, only find yourself. Although I did not expect them to still live, I had hoped you would learn something from the Jedi masters as they fell before you. Not just of battle, but of yourself. And the force.
You must understand, I did not wish the Jedi dead. Defeated perhaps. I merely wished them to see that they and their teachings were wrong. That one could not truly understand the force simply by adhering to the Jedi Code. All I have ever trained have been failures to them. Students who went to fight the Mandalorians, who fell to the Dark Side, who abandoned their training. To see one that had the strength to best them, that is a moment I will not forget.
Yet it has not been as satisfying as I had hoped. To best one in battle is one thing, to defeat them without striking a blow, that is was my hope. You have failed me. Completely and utterly. I have taught you to hear the force again. Shown you the contrast, and yet STILL you do not understand. This is what you have brought, countless murderers, slayers, assassins, born of war that has as always taught the WRONG lesson. You showed them life, without the force. And instead of showing them truth, power, all you showed is how the galaxy may die.
YOU are responsible for all of this. Even now, events spiral towards destruction, and there is nothing that can be done because you REFUSED TO LISTEN! To understand! You have seen the effects you have on those close to you. Heard the echo scream across dead planets. And watched as your strength has grown. Yet it is for nothing... to have the Jedi Masters brought low by such failure, there is no victory in that.
You have not heard a thing I have taught. And for all I have said you have never learned to listen.
Do you feel that, Exile? It cuts through your defenses, as unprepared for such an attack as you are.
Let that pain be a lesson, and a reminder of what you have forgotten. You were my last hope. The only one who could change what is to come. And now you have left me nothing. I shall teach you no longer. Our bond remains, but that is all. This place will hide you from the Sith for a time, enough to do what must be done. Stay here and die, apprentice. Among the wreckage of war that you made of the Jedi, it is a fitting grave until the Sith come to end you.
To end everything.
Thank you!
I have never reached to do that with Kreia. Congratulations.
4:28 That music, it fits so well.....
Got it. Thanks again!
I must make a comment on the epicness of the musical cues throughout this vid. Best part is towards the end, when Kreia says "The only one that could change what is to come" at 7:30. The theme that comes up is the main theme for the game, as well as the theme from the Kreia's Fall cutscene. It's one of the greastest cues I have seen. It fits perfectly.
:) I'm glad you liked it. I've only ever released mods on request, mostly stuff they had seen here. I find making videos more entertaining than making mods. I usually use VirtualDub to edit.